Anybody try cocaine?

[Fudge]

Was my first time yesterday. Did a few lines and now my nose is plugged as shit. Non stop runny nose too.

I'm in panic mode. Am i gonna die? Or what?

:biggums:

[ace23]

RIP

[HardwoodLegend]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.

[Raymone]

You sure you didn't try to snort rocks by accident?

[knickballer]

OP will be sucking d1ck in no time to pay for cocaine addiction

[East_Stone_Ya]

NOOO...what is that?

[DonDadda59]

Am i gonna die?

Probably. Your homies on ISH will pour out some e-liquor for ya.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cleREvd5beU/UYK0XBmtDHI/AAAAAAAALno/I9msPiMii8I/s1600/pouring-out-liquor.gif

Oh, also, reported. Cops are on their way to your home as I type this.

[Fudge]

Let us all hear about your past "snowboarding" experiences. :applause:

I feel somewhat cooler now that i've finally done it. Like a new man. Refreshing. I'm laughing at all you "potheads". :oldlol:

[Dresta]

Coke usually goes down pretty nicely if it isn't cut with all kinds of shit. Instead you probably got some combination of baking soda, speed, novocaine and talcum powder, with a bit of coke mixed in lol.

Perhaps it also spent some time up some dude's ass as well.

[Fudge]

Coke usually goes down pretty nicely if it isn't cut with all kinds of shit. Instead you probably got some combination of baking soda, speed, novocaine and talcum powder, with a bit of coke mixed in lol.

Perhaps it also spent some time up some dude's ass as well.
Damn. Hope not.

Shit was the real deal tho, bruh. Legit. I wanted to fight some nerds at the party too. Was hyped af.

[Gabi]

I tried it a month ago at a nightclub, I felt like a God. I was also very drunk at the time, would probably not have snorted had I been sober.

[Le Shaqtus]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.

Amen.

[Dresta]

lol as if anyone snorts coke once and becomes an instant addict.


Damn. Hope not.

Shit was the real deal tho, bruh. Legit. I wanted to fight some nerds at the party too. Was hyped af.
How do you know if you've never done the stuff before?

Street coke is almost always cut with something.

[TheMarkMadsen]

it's not a big deal

[Akrazotile]

D.A.R.E. mutha****az

[Fudge]

lol as if anyone snorts coke once and becomes an instant addict.


How do you know if you've never done the stuff before?

Street coke is almost always cut with something.
My buddy was the connect. Not some random Joe Schmo i met at a party. Trust and loyalty, bruh. I'm not gonna assume shit was laced just because i had some weird after effects after my FIRST TIME. How were YOU feeling the next morning after your first time?

I feel like a man now though, that's all that matters. Feeling alpha af.

[Raymone]

D.A.R.E. mutha****az

You wouldn't have fit in with dat hollywood lifestyle. Don't fret about not making it.

[Gabi]

My buddy was the connect. Not some random Joe Schmo i met at a party. Trust and loyalty, bruh. I'm not gonna assume shit was laced just because i had some weird after effects after my FIRST TIME. How were YOU feeling the next morning after your first time?

I feel like a man now though, that's all that matters. Feeling alpha af.

After it wore off I was totally exhausted and since I have always had problem with depressions I felt like shit for a while.

You probably snorted powder doe.

[Dresta]

My buddy was the connect. Not some random Joe Schmo i met at a party. Trust and loyalty, bruh. I'm not gonna assume shit was laced just because i had some weird after effects after my FIRST TIME. How were YOU feeling the next morning after your first time?

I feel like a man now though, that's all that matters. Feeling alpha af.
Even so it will have been cut with something. Almost all the coke in the United States is.


I wanna know the story on when people decide to do heroin and meth. Cocaine is a little more understandable, not that I would ever do it.

But do people wake up one morning, take a shower, look in the mirror and go, "Yup, I'm doing meth today."
Not really hard to understand is it?: they are both drugs that bring vast amounts of pleasure. Nor are either of them as dangerous as you apparently think.

[Fudge]

Even so it will have been cut with something. Almost all the coke in the United States is.
From Canadia, bro.

[Styles p]

only once when i was in st lucia me and my buddies met these British chicks at a resort they had it i was already on molly a lot of over proof rum and smoked some joints i don't really remember anything about it except that i did it lol.

[Dresta]

From Canadia, bro.
Will probably be worse there due to it being further from the source.


What kind of ****ing headcase would take cocaine? Jesus Christ.
:roll:

Seriously?

[ace23]

What kind of ****ing headcase would take cocaine? Jesus Christ.
:applause:

Someone's been paying attention during the DARE presentations.

[RedBlackAttack]

:applause:

Someone's been paying attention during the DARE presentations.
:roll:

Coke is seriously not a big deal, guise. I was always more into the barbiturates, personally... but yayo can be fun in the right atmosphere.

Btw, expect this thread to get deleted. Most about blatant drug use eventually are wiped away.

[ace23]

Preach it, Shade! :applause:

****ing preach!

[FlagrantOne]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[RedBlackAttack]

Don't give in to peer pressure, Shady. Stay strong.

[chosen_one6]

I will never try anything more than weed and molly. I value my brain cells.

[RedBlackAttack]

I will never try anything more than weed and molly. I value my brain cells.
How old are you? And, MDMA is about 1,000x harder on your body than cocaine. FYI

[Gabi]

I will never try anything more than weed and molly. I value my brain cells.

And you show your value for your brain cells by smoking weed?

[RedBlackAttack]

My brain literally hurt for days after doing ecstasy back in the day. It straight up ravages your brain.

[FlagrantOne]

Tried cocaine a once and it did shit. Either it was wank cocaine, or I was so wankered on john smiths with vodka shots the cocaine couldnt affect me.
Dont even know why i tried it that night, my best mate used to deal the stuff and was never tempted before.

[1987_Lakers]

Tried it quite a few times, in my experience If you do coke in a party environment when you are already have a nice alcohol buzz it is pretty amazing.

I don't like doing it when I'm sober though, it makes me jumpy.

[chosen_one6]

How old are you? And, MDMA is about 1,000x harder on your body than cocaine. FYI

25.

Only smoked weed a handful of times and only done molly once. It was a capsule.

Even if marijuana were to be legalized here in California I likely would only do it a couple of times a month, which is about the amount of times I consume alcohol.

[Dresta]

No, I'm just kidding. Sure why wouldn't I be? It's not like it can destroy your life, **** up your body and possibly kill you. Cocaine is great!
So you've never gotten into a car before then i take it?

[Budadiiii]

So you've never gotten into a car before then i take it?
He's 13.

It's the same shit I was saying at 13 after I ate a pizza lunchable and took a nap on my parents bed... woke up, ate some pizza rolls, took a shit, and got dropped off at baseball practice. :facepalm

Shade, suck a dick kid. You don't know about that life yet.

[1987_Lakers]

I actually have a funny coke story, I was at a club one night, had a few beers and was feeling good, I need to take a piss so I go to the bathroom, as I enter I see a guy by the sink just hitting lines of coke, I get tempted so I ask him if he has more, he says yes, he gives me a 20 dollar bag for me to hit in the bathroom stall, he asks for 7 dollars and tells me to not finish it all. I didn't quite understand what he said, I thought he gave me the whole bag for 7 dollars so I'm in the stall just sniffing and sniffing, I'm taking a while and he gets impatient and tells me not to finish it all. I finally understand the situation, I get out of the bathroom stall and hand him the rest of the bag which was almost gone.:oldlol:

As I was leaving the restroom, there was a bunch of dudes waiting in line for the bathroom just looking at me like I just killed someone, in my head I'm wondering why is everyone giving me weird looks then one guy in the line looks at me and point to his nose, at this moment I realize that I still had some powder on my nose in plain sight, I forgot to clean myself, I quickly proceed to wipe my nose and just leave the area.:oldlol:

[red1]

for new years or big parties

[HylianNightmare]

You'll be fine, it probably wasn't the best stuff but it's good that you had a good time. Only done it 3 times myself and all it ever did was make have anxiety/panic allot. Gets my heart racing and I can't calm down at all, no matter the situation I am nervous, just make sure you aren't doing it on the regular doe. Real talk

[BrownEye007]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.
Meth, heroine and crack are the three I'll never try. I've never done coke but I don't believe it's nearly as bad as those three.

[RedBlackAttack]

I actually have a funny coke story, I was at a club one night, had a few beers and was feeling good, I need to take a piss so I go to the bathroom, as I enter I see a guy by the sink just hitting lines of coke, I get tempted so I ask him if he has more, he says yes, he gives me a 20 dollar bag for me to hit in the bathroom stall, he asks for 7 dollars and tells me to not finish it all. I didn't quite understand what he said, I thought he gave me the whole bag for 7 dollars so I'm in the stall just sniffing and sniffing, I'm taking a while and he gets impatient and tells me not to finish it all. I finally understand the situation, I get out of the bathroom stall and hand him the rest of the bag which was almost gone.:oldlol:

As I was leaving the restroom, there was a bunch of dudes waiting in line for the bathroom just looking at me like I just killed someone, in my head I'm wondering why is everyone giving me weird looks then one guy in the line looks at me and point to his nose, at this moment I realize that I still had some powder on my nose in plain sight, I forgot to clean myself, I quickly proceed to wipe my nose and just leave the area.:oldlol:
So, you bogart the bag and leave reminents on your nostrils? Yeah, not a good look. :oldlol:


I was rolling while at the Tunnel in NYC in the mid-90s and my buddy passed me a one-hitter. I must have been super intense in my smoking technique, because a security guard snatched me up and pulled me into the stairwell. He thought it was a crack pipe. :oldlol:

He pocketed my buddy's glass one-hitter, too. :(

[Dresta]

Eye roll.
Getting into a car is pretty dangerous actually, and can lead to all of the things the guy i quoted. Life is all about balancing risk and reward, from driving to taking drugs to horse-riding and playing football. It is only your blind prejudice that makes them appear different.

So go roll your eyes somewhere else you steaming pile of muff garbage.

[Dresta]

Meth, heroine and crack are the three I'll never try. I've never done coke but I don't believe it's nearly as bad as those three.
Heroin is pretty safe provided it is pure and provided you don't inject it. Opiates cause less damage to the body than most drugs - the only thing it really messes with is your digestion.

[red1]

Heroin is pretty safe provided it is pure and provided you don't inject it. Opiates cause less damage to the body than most drugs - the only thing it really messes with is your digestion.
dresta: "smoking cigarettes into your 30s is relatively safe"

[QUIZZLE]

Heroin is pretty safe provided it is pure and provided you don't inject it. Opiates cause less damage to the body than most drugs - the only thing it really messes with is your digestion.

The amount of people that do heroin that don't inject it are probably equal to the same amount of people that shove weed in their rectum.

[RedBlackAttack]

The amount of people that do heroin that don't inject it are probably equal to the same amount of people that shove weed in their rectum.
A lot of people snort or smoke heroin. It isn't uncommon at all.

[Raymone]

Heroin is pretty safe provided it is pure and provided you don't inject it. Opiates cause less damage to the body than most drugs - the only thing it really messes with is your digestion.

What's wrong with injecting? As long as you do it correctly, of course.

[HardwoodLegend]

Meth, heroine and crack are the three I'll never try. I've never done coke but I don't believe it's nearly as bad as those three.

Yeah, crack probably is worse.

I've no desire to dabble in drugs at all really, but those are the ones that scare me the most. I've only tried weed once, and that's it. Probably won't even bother experimenting with anything else. Don't want to risk the chance I might like it and "just try it again" gradually falling into a habit.

[Fresh Kid]

what a dumbass:oldlol:

[ace23]

Getting into a car is pretty dangerous actually, and can lead to all of the things the guy i quoted. Life is all about balancing risk and reward, from driving to taking drugs to horse-riding and playing football. It is only your blind prejudice that makes them appear different.
True.


So go roll your eyes somewhere else you steaming pile of muff garbage.

:roll:

[ItsMillerTime]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.

Cocaine is nowhere near as dangerous as those other two.

[niko]

Some of you talk like there is no possible downside to using drugs at all. You have to know yourself. You also have to make sure you take something that is what you think it is, and doesn't contain other chemicals. I've seen people overdose and it's not always from a huge amount of something, it's from bad stuff or from being careless (not being properly hydrated and taking something, etc.)

Forget addiction, etc. just be smart when taking anything any time. You never know...

[D-FENS]

Meth, heroine and crack are the three I'll never try. I've never done coke but I don't believe it's nearly as bad as those three.

Same here. I'll add acid as well to that list. I like having control.

[QUIZZLE]

A lot of people snort or smoke heroin. It isn't uncommon at all.


I stand corrected.

My experimentation with anything begins with mary jane and ends with mushrooms and that's it.

[MP.Trey]

Only once. I was drunk as f*ck at the time too so I don't remember much at all about it though unfortunately.

[MMM]

I'm as straight edge as they come but i view cocaine as more of a recreational drug. I've come across and known quite a few people that sniff occasionally. Doesn't really seem as potent as some of the people here suggest.

[D-FENS]

I stand corrected.

My experimentation with anything begins with mary jane and ends with mushrooms and that's it.

Same here. Anything tat ****s with your mind too much is out for me

[Milbuck]

Acid, shrooms, and obviously bud aren't really that bad. But don't **** with coke, meth, or heroin.

[D-FENS]

Acid, shrooms, and obviously bud aren't really that bad. But don't **** with coke, meth, or heroin.

Acid is shit. I know a guy that stabbed himself in the hand on acid. Also heard of bad trips that last months.

I'm for those natural non chemical highs, weed and shrooms

[fsvr54]

I stand corrected.

My experimentation with anything begins with mary jane and ends with mushrooms and that's it.

Same but I want to try Ayahuasca and DMT.

[Dresta]

dresta: "smoking cigarettes into your 30s is relatively safe"
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1211128#t=articleMethods

'For smokers who quit at 25 to 34 years of age (median, 29), survival curves were nearly identical to those for participants who had never smoked, meaning that those who quit smoking gained about 10 years of life, as compared with those who continued to smoke. Survival curves were somewhat worse for smokers who had quit at 35 to 44 years of age (median, 39) than for those who had never smoked; still, smokers who quit smoking could expect to gain about 9 years of life, as compared with those who continued to smoke. Thus, cessation at about 39 years of age reduced the excess risk of death from any cause by about 90%. Nevertheless, smokers who had quit by about 39 years of age still had a 20% excess risk (hazard ratio, 1.2), as compared with those who had never smoked. Although this hazard is substantial, it is much smaller than the 200% excess risk (hazard ratio, 3.0) among those who continued to smoke.'

Suck it up mother****er.


What's wrong with injecting? As long as you do it correctly, of course.
There's nothing actually wrong with it provided 1. You know what you're taking is pure. 2. You are absolutely certain you know what you are doing.

I personally would never inject something i got off the street into my veins. It is extremely dangerous and not worth the risk imo.


Some of you talk like there is no possible downside to using drugs at all. You have to know yourself. You also have to make sure you take something that is what you think it is, and doesn't contain other chemicals. I've seen people overdose and it's not always from a huge amount of something, it's from bad stuff or from being careless (not being properly hydrated and taking something, etc.)

Forget addiction, etc. just be smart when taking anything any time. You never know...
Agree with this completely. If you don't know what you're doing and you don't trust yourself, then don't do it. I just think a blanket refusal to even think about taking something you evidently know very little about (like some in this thread) is a little close-minded. Taking something one time if you do it correctly is not going to do you any harm. This whole 'i take these drugs but i'd NEVER touch that because OMG it's just too bad' is simply believing what society tells you, without taking the effort to find out for yourself.

People with uncontrollable addictive/compulsive personalities should probably steer clear though. But people like this will get hooked on just about anything. My dad is like that and now he isn't on any drugs (benzo problem) he drinks like 6-7 sugary iced teas a day and is getting all fat :lol .

[Josh]

This. Last thing I need is a coke addiction

No, the last thing you need is an opiate addiction.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Same but I want to try Ayahuasca and DMT.

You don't wanna try DMT. You're only supposed to feel DMT once in your life, and that is the moment right before you die, that is when the chemical is released from your brain. I know too many people who have straight curled up in a ball and started crying when on DMT. No one is ever the same once they have taken that shit.

[RedBlackAttack]

I stand corrected.

My experimentation with anything begins with mary jane and ends with mushrooms and that's it.
It's probably the smart move. I used to love shrooms. I never got too far into the hard stuff, truth be told. Psychedelics and weed were always my two go-to drugs as a kid.

I don't do jack sh!t nowadays. Too old. :oldlol:

[Dresta]

No, the last thing you need is an opiate addiction.
Plenty of people live out the bulk of their lives on opiates without much of a problem. I can't say the same for cocaine. Having to take that shit every day for decades would destroy your body.

I've kicked codeine multiple times and not found it particularly hard, but it is one of the weakest opiates, and i never took it for that long. Addicts who have experienced both are pretty unanimous that benzo withdrawal is far more harrowing than any opiate withdrawal, including heroin. In fact, plenty find alcohol withdrawal worse than heroin (btw the withdrawals for both are v. unpleasant so i'm not trivialising them in any way, just heroin should stop being played off as some unique monster in a league of its own).

Shit is getting ridiculous the mythology that has grown up around it. You get people who do some of the dumbest shit with drugs and alcohol being like 'nah, i'd never do THAT.'

[QUIZZLE]

It's probably the smart move. I used to love shrooms. I never got too far into the hard stuff, truth be told. Psychedelics and weed were always my two go-to drugs as a kid.

I don't do jack sh!t nowadays. Too old. :oldlol:

When I lived in New Zealand for a bit, my roommates always when to Dubstep festivals and did ecstasy and said it was their favorite hands down. Everything I've heard about the following days really doesn't seem worth it though( Pretty much everything you said earlier) Plus they said they're always biting and jaw muscles are raw for like a week after that.

[Megabox!]

I'm too much of a square to do any type of drugs, the farthest I've went was having a few beers with friends :oldlol: I had a friend who tried acid tho. he told me he saw demons coming through the roof of his bedroom, Also told me he couldn't sleep for days after that. Shit sounded pretty terrifying

[Biggums]

;)

[MadeFromDust]

Was my first time yesterday. Did a few lines and now my nose is plugged as shit. Non stop runny nose too.

I'm in panic mode. Am i gonna die? Or what?

:biggums:
Yes ewe are. Like the movie they showed most of us in school yur brains will come foaming out yur nostrils. It might not just be a runny nose it could be brainz too :facepalm

[macmac]

I've done weed, coke, mushrooms, acid, x, ghb, mdma, mescaline, speed, salvia....

I hardly do anything anymore maybe the occasional MDMA or coke trip and ill smoke if I'm playing video games with buddies or something...

Never had an addictive personality so I enjoyed experiencing the different trips with different ppl in different settings, but I feel like I've outgrown psychedelics, speed is wack and these fake highs like mdma and coke will end up making you feel empty and unfulfilled on the downers so none of them are very attractive to me presently

[HardwoodLegend]

Cocaine is nowhere near as dangerous as those other two.

I'm not well-versed in the narcotic sciences and don't care to be. I probably do have a misconception about coke because of the stigma it has in my mind from Len Bias's death. I wonder how much he did.

[BrownEye007]

Same here. I'll add acid as well to that list. I like having control.
Have done acid. Would do it again.

[1987_Lakers]

http://whatzhotandnot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Scarface-5.gif
:oldlol:

[Dresta]

I've done weed, coke, mushrooms, acid, x, ghb, mdma, mescaline, speed, salvia....

I hardly do anything anymore maybe the occasional MDMA or coke trip and ill smoke if I'm playing video games with buddies or something...

Never had an addictive personality so I enjoyed experiencing the different trips with different ppl in different settings, but I feel like I've outgrown psychedelics, speed is wack and these fake highs like mdma and coke will end up making you feel empty and unfulfilled on the downers so none of them are very attractive to me presently
Why are those 'fake highs' and the others not exactly? They all work by changing the chemistry of your brain and are all very real and it is your brain that produces the effect, not the drug. It gives you an idea how different two individuals can feel naturally, considering small changes in brain chemistry can produce such dramatic effects.

I feel much worse and more drained the day after taking acid than coke, as well.

[macmac]

Why are those 'fake highs' and the others not exactly? They all work by changing the chemistry of your brain and are all very real and it is your brain that produces the effect, not the drug. It gives you an idea how different two individuals can feel naturally, considering small changes in brain chemistry can produce such dramatic effects.

I feel much worse and more drained the day after taking acid than coke, as well.

What I mean by fake high is that the connection you feel you're making with ppl , or music, the conversations or physical sensations all seem empty when you're coming off of them, and it's just very blah to me. Psychedelics you know what you're getting into, and sometimes the experience will stay with you and will give you a different outlook on your life at that point in time. Although I agree the downer can be just as heavy as pills for example, acid moreso than shrooms

[oarabbus]

I've done weed, coke, mushrooms, acid, x, ghb, mdma, mescaline, speed, salvia....

I hardly do anything anymore maybe the occasional MDMA or coke trip and ill smoke if I'm playing video games with buddies or something...

Never had an addictive personality so I enjoyed experiencing the different trips with different ppl in different settings, but I feel like I've outgrown psychedelics, speed is wack and these fake highs like mdma and coke will end up making you feel empty and unfulfilled on the downers so none of them are very attractive to me presently

Same except no mescaline or GHB. Done DMT, nitrous, morphine, MDA, MDMA, Ketamine (a line, never have ****ed with needles and never will) and 25i-nBOMe though. Psychedelics are the **** but I know what you mean by outgrown. I don't **** with coke or MDMA or uppers in general anymore. Honestly I just stick to weed and alcohol, but I'd definitely do LSD/mushrooms/mescaline in the right setting.


I don't think psychedelics are really "empty" as much as you lose the sense of depth and profoundness that you experience while on it. They show you a lot but when you're coming off or the next day, you realize the world keeps on turning regardless of whatever "truth" you experienced or thought you did.


Why are those 'fake highs' and the others not exactly? They all work by changing the chemistry of your brain and are all very real and it is your brain that produces the effect, not the drug. It gives you an idea how different two individuals can feel naturally, considering small changes in brain chemistry can produce such dramatic effects.

This is true except for the bolded. Different drugs affect different neurotransmitter systems. For example cocaine will bind to dopamine and norepinephrine transporters, resulting in their release, while also slightly inhibiting their reuptake. Psychedelics bind to serotonin receptors, of which there are several types (5-HT2A and many more) and other drugs such as dissociatives **** with NMDA receptors. Nicotine affects dopamine, norepinephrine, and acetylcholine systems. There's pharmacodynamics, or what your brain/body does to the drug, as well as pharmacokinetics which is what the drug does to your brain/body. It's all quite complex, beyond the bolded quote you wrote.

I'm in grad school and hopefully want to study this kind of stuff, unfortunately it's pretty rare to find upper division or graduate level classes dealing with recreational drug chemistry :/

[Dresta]

That is all correct but i don't see how it contradicts the bolded. The drug causes the changes in the brain that produce the effect. The potential is already preexisting, all that is required is for things to be recalibrated; and similar effects can arise organically, which is kind of what happens to psychotics. It is clearly far more complicated than this, but i know it still isn't that well understood (as with most things to do with the brain), which is why it'd be interesting to study.



What I mean by fake high is that the connection you feel you're making with ppl , or music, the conversations or physical sensations all seem empty when you're coming off of them, and it's just very blah to me. Psychedelics you know what you're getting into, and sometimes the experience will stay with you and will give you a different outlook on your life at that point in time. Although I agree the downer can be just as heavy as pills for example, acid moreso than shrooms
I agree and MDMA is the worst for this - it is pretty much why i haven't taken it for a couple of years. Too much cringe the next day.

You could add booze to that list as well tbh.

[RedBlackAttack]

Plenty of people live out the bulk of their lives on opiates without much of a problem. I can't say the same for cocaine. Having to take that shit every day for decades would destroy your body.

I've kicked codeine multiple times and not found it particularly hard, but it is one of the weakest opiates, and i never took it for that long. Addicts who have experienced both are pretty unanimous that benzo withdrawal is far more harrowing than any opiate withdrawal, including heroin. In fact, plenty find alcohol withdrawal worse than heroin (btw the withdrawals for both are v. unpleasant so i'm not trivialising them in any way, just heroin should stop being played off as some unique monster in a league of its own).

Shit is getting ridiculous the mythology that has grown up around it. You get people who do some of the dumbest shit with drugs and alcohol being like 'nah, i'd never do THAT.'
Pretty much in line with my experiences and the experiences of people I know. Benzos are one of the few drugs where the withdrawal can actually kill you (seizures). Stunningly, the other "worst" drug in terms of withdrawal is the very dangerous and the very legal alcohol. Those two withdrawals aren't just hard, they'll kill you if they get their fishhooks in too deep.

You don't die from opiate withdrawal. At least, not directly like with benzos/alcohol. You could always dehydrate yourself coming off opiates or some other potentially fatal health issue, but that's the case with anything.

I can't imagine becoming addicted to cocaine, personally. The come down sucks so bad that constantly putting yourself through that seems like it would be a nightmare. Then again, that was never really my thing.

All of the movies where opiate addicts are sitting in a corner screaming at hallucinations and sweating bullets are so far over-the-top, I literally laugh any time I see the portrayals. That isn't to say they're fun. I've been with close friends as they were getting clean and it sucks. The body temperature does get out of whack and it is really hard on the digestive system, but nothing close to what Hollywood and the propaganda makes it out to be.

Serious alcoholics have it much, much worse.


When I lived in New Zealand for a bit, my roommates always when to Dubstep festivals and did ecstasy and said it was their favorite hands down. Everything I've heard about the following days really doesn't seem worth it though( Pretty much everything you said earlier) Plus they said they're always biting and jaw muscles are raw for like a week after that.

Yeah, rolls are really fun. I'm a huge music lover and they enhance the sound by a million times. We took some rolls before that Roger Waters show I listed as one of my favorites ever in that other active thread. It was an experience I will never forget.

But, you're right... I wouldn't take back any of my experiences with drugs because that is all part of life. The come down off ecstasy can be really brutal, though, depending on the purity of what you're taking and what it is cut with.

There were times I still didn't feel right a week after taking them. That's why it is important, if you do experiment, be sure you know what you're taking and people you trust can vouch for it. That would be my advice.

[Bless Mathews]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.
Sissy.

[kurple]

Let us all hear about your past "snowboarding" experiences. :applause:

I feel somewhat cooler now that i've finally done it. Like a new man. Refreshing. I'm laughing at all you "potheads". :oldlol:
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

how old are you?

[Sarcastic]

http://www.draftdaysuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cocainesahellofadrug.jpg

[CeltsGarlic]

So far I havent. Its not really popular between my age (21) as I have a lot of energy myself :lol

I prefer other stuff.

[Rolando]

It takes a lot of money to do coke regularly. For most people, that's a good thing because it keeps it a the right level: Something fun that you do rarely.

Cocaine gives you a huge rush of energy and confidence. It is quite fun in the right atmosphere. However, it is crazy expensive and, for some people, real addictive. It will wreck your life if you get too caught up in it.

Again....fun but should be a rare treat.

[ImKobe]

Let us all hear about your past "snowboarding" experiences. :applause:

I feel somewhat cooler now that i've finally done it. Like a new man. Refreshing. I'm laughing at all you "potheads". :oldlol:

And we'll be laughing at you when your life falls apart due to hardcore drugs :applause:

Seriously dude, there's nothing "cool" about doing cocaine or meth. It might feel great in the beginning but if you keep snorting that shit you'll start needing more and more. "Pot" is much easier to give up on when you're "addicted" to it.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Last month I was seriously depressed so I kind of experimented with drugs. Needless to say I absolutely hated the comedowns of coke, MDMA, acid. It's not worth the high I got at all. I'll stick to my weed and that's it. MDMA absolutely screwed with my sleep.

[CeltsGarlic]

It takes a lot of money to do coke regularly. For most people, that's a good thing because it keeps it a the right level: Something fun that you do rarely.

Cocaine gives you a huge rush of energy and confidence. It is quite fun in the right atmosphere. However, it is crazy expensive and, for some people, real addictive. It will wreck your life if you get too caught up in it.

Again....fun but should be a rare treat.

Thats not true. I know plenty of people who enjoy it like once every 2 months.

[Rolando]

Thats not true. I know plenty of people who enjoy it like once every 2 months.

You missed the part where I said SOME people and not ALL people. I know people who enjoy it occasionally too.

[CeltsGarlic]

You missed the part where I said SOME people and not ALL people. I know people who enjoy it occasionally too.

Oh, my bad, sorry.

[-p.tiddy-]

I have done coke dozens of times and regretted it pretty much every single time...for me it would keep me up all night so that I could continue to drink but I would just continue to want more coke the entire night.

watching the sun come up while coming down off coke is an awful feeling...I can remember several times actually waiting for the liquor store to open in the morning so that I could buy more booz to help me come down...

Fall asleep at like 1 PM...wake up at like 9 PM...cigarette butts everywhere...YUCK...so glad I'm done with that life style

[hateraid]

I've tried it and think it's overrated. A ton of my friends do it. For some reason it makes them feel paranoid in big crowds. They like sitting at home in a circle and busting rails. I'll usually go along but not partake.
I notice when it's all finished they get all sketchy. they constantly ask, "are you OK?" I like messing around and rolling up little balls of tissue and flick it on the table. I watch them try and snort it :oldlol:

Best drug hands down is morphine

[-p.tiddy-]

Best drug hands down is morphine
that is an opiate...pretty much the same as heroin

in the 1800s morphine was actually legal in the US...everyone was addicted to that shit, it was an epidemic

[Raymone]

Nothing really wrong with opiates. Even if you're mentally weak enough to become addicted, the withdrawals won't kill you like alcohol and benzos WD can. You'll just be really uncomfortable for a few days.

But other than the physical dependence, opioids don't **** up your brain chemistry like cannabis, alcohol and methamphetamines do.

[-p.tiddy-]

Nothing really wrong with opiates. Even if you're mentally weak enough to become addicted, the withdrawals won't kill you like alcohol and benzos WD can. You'll just be really uncomfortable for a few days.

But other than the physical dependence, opioids don't **** up your brain chemistry like cannabis, alcohol and methamphetamines do.
people OD on opiates all the time though...the majority of drug deaths I am familiar that are local to me are opiate related

last I saw opiate deaths were actually on a huge rise due to doctors throwing that shit around so quickly

and they are extremely "physically" addictive...(has little to do with mental strength)

[-p.tiddy-]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures%5Cm6101a3f2.gif

^^^ see

thank you doctors for ending more lives than you are saving :/

[MavsSuperFan]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.
IDK lots of successful people seem to do coke recreationally. I think the key is to be rich enough to support the habit.

[LilKateMoss]

They're different because they're different f*cking actions and circumstances. You can't just say two things are the same because you might get hurt. By that dumb logic, lion taming and eating chicken are the same. A lion might maul you to death and you could die from salmonella in the chicken.

Keep name calling and trying to rationalize whatever shit life you're living. Endlessly defending cigarettes and equating hard drugs with cars will surely put you at ease enough so you don't think of killing yourself for another 24 hours. Bump some rails and smoke a few more packs, it won't bother me.

I couldn't give a f*ck what people do, but I don't like your faux intellectual shit you bring into every thread like this.
:applause: Dude is the biggest try-hard I've ever seen. Posting huge essays, full of big words but devoid of substance, just for people to think he's all smart and intellectual.

[Rolando]

Oh, my bad, sorry.

No problem brother.:cheers:

[Josh]

Best drug hands down is morphine

This makes very little sense. Morphine is primarily what hospitals in the ER will hook up to a patient when they're in immediate need for severe pain relief. It's administered via IV (intravenous) and I suppose that's why there's a common misconception about it (used in hospitals/ER)? It's actually not even remotely close to being one of the more powerful opiates.

Hell, I'd even say methadone is >, more powerful, better high etc than morphine. To the average hardcore heroin addict, morphine wouldn't even get them high, and consequently would merely take away the dope-sickness / suffice your physical body demands as you're enduring withdrawals. To someone who's never recreationally abused opiates, morphine will put your mind / body in a very pretty place - but it won't be paradise either.

Now what will... (in comparison to morphine) is pure heroin. Second to heroin I'd personally say it's oxymorphone (not to be confused with oxycodone) which is virtually only found in opana (the strongest pharmaceutical drug on the market - approximately twice as potent/powerful as Oxycontin - and of course Oxycontin today is shit, since they switched to the OP formula so it can't be abused in the manner which it was before).

Opana is the most dangerously abused opiate, and in combination with Oxycontin (before the formula changed to OP as I mentioned above) they kill more people annually than heroin and cocaine combined.

http://www.livescience.com/17406-prescription-drug-abuse-infographic.html ...


"The new finding shows that more than 40 people die every day from overdoses involving ... oxycodone (OxyContin), and oxymorphone (Opana)"

I guess what I'm getting at is morphine isn't "hands down" the "best drug" out there, and it's so far from the truth it comes off to me as a troll comment, but we all know you're not a troll. You're a cool poster in my book and I've always liked you being here apart of the old school ISHs family me, you and only a select few belong to - but like whoa, I know you weren't trolling in that comment and it speaks volumes to your knowledge/experience on the subject; probably would have been best to stay out of the discussion.

Thankfully though, hateriad, you didn't entirely blow yourself away. Could always be worse on this topic in generally. You could have been 100% serious and advised the board you once OD'd on a spliff.

:roll:

Claiming morphine is the best drug period much less the best drug in the opiate family is cringe worthy, but nothing, and I mean NOTHING will ever knock off what Godzoki did to himself, so in that sense you're safe my friend.

:confusedshrug:

... and you guys are right when you say benzo and alcohol withdrawals are more dangerous than opiate b/c heavy users could have seizures and hardcore addicts going into withdrawals to detox should be in a controlled medical environment without question.

Opiate withdrawal doesn't present that level of being a health hazard, and only in extreme rare cases can/has it proven to be fatal. However, make no mistake about it, which it isn't as dangerous as benzo/alcohol withdrawal, opiate WDs can and to hardcore users/addicts is much more uncomfortable, painful, mind-raping inducing behaviors.

You don't see benzo addicts or alcoholics robbing, selling their bodies or other extreme means of doing whatever it takes to get yourself to your next fix. RBA brought up an interesting point when he said Hollywood in flicks exaggerates the opiate withdrawal experience, and he's right, they do, but just as you admitted himself watching his friends in some extreme individual cases that it's certainly no picnic, and it's not.

You yourself RBA have endured some level of being dope-sick / experiencing WDs b/c we once discussed roxy's and how we've both used them and how you proclaimed Suboxone is a miracle drug to combat being dope-sick, and you were right, it's nothing less than a miracle drug for any type/level of opiate WDs. The drug has saved my ass many-a-time, even though taking the drug for a period of time thereafter prevents you from getting high if you attempt to take an opiate afterwards, but still, it's worth it when you're sick.

I'm just glad I'm not into that shit heavy like I used to be. Using today, even the smallest amount for extended periods of time is a very slippery slop b/c if I'm not careful I could completely relapse back into it being a daily routine and I'm not wanting to get back to that malicious dark place. The hell your body goes through isn't worth it.

:no:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

cocaine is light you only feel hype for like 15 minutes then you need another bag

but, you see, the way the economy is set up

**** that

[Josh]

that is an opiate...pretty much the same as heroin

in the 1800s morphine was actually legal in the US...everyone was addicted to that shit, it was an epidemic

They're not the same. Depending on purity, grade, etc heroin and morphine are not pretty much the same. I wouldn't even describe morphine as being a poor man's heroin. It's not strong enough. At best, morphine is the nerdy, puny little brother of big boy heroin.

You're right about the 1800s and there being multiple morphine addicts, but if heroin were to exist as well, there's no question about it, there'd be more heroin addicts if the drug were just as available / popular. Both morphine and heroin exists today, but you don't hear about morphine kicking all these addicts ass; no it's heroin and even more of an ass-kicker prescription pain killers.

Morphine is basically nothing these days, and is most commonly administered in hospital settings as I said before. It's not popular on the streets for the simple fact it's nowhere near as strong as the other guys.

[-p.tiddy-]

They're not the same. Depending on purity, grade, etc heroin and morphine are not pretty much the same. I wouldn't even describe morphine as being a poor man's heroin. It's not strong enough. At best, morphine is the nerdy, puny little brother of big boy heroin.

You're right about the 1800s and there being multiple morphine addicts, but if heroin were to exist as well, there's no question about it, there'd be more heroin addicts if the drug were just as available / popular. Both morphine and heroin exists today, but you don't hear about morphine kicking all these addicts ass; no it's heroin and even more of an ass-kicker prescription pain killers.

Morphine is basically nothing these days, and is most commonly administered in hospital settings as I said before. It's not popular on the streets for the simple fact it's nowhere near as strong as the other guys.
I've never actually tried morphine and I suspect you are correct here...it isn't commonly found on the streets and if it was THAT good it probably would have a larger place on the black market

it is still an opiate like heroin though...similar drugs, in the same family

[Dresta]

that is an opiate...pretty much the same as heroin

in the 1800s morphine was actually legal in the US...everyone was addicted to that shit, it was an epidemic
Everything was completely legal until the early 20th century. In fact, people frequently took morphine without even knowing what they were taking due to medicines being sold without listed ingredients. But no, it wasn't an 'epidemic', and addiction rates weren't any higher than they are now. It was also bored and ageing housewifes that tended to become addicts. A lot of soldiers got addicted during the civil war, but i'd rather be a morphine addict and not have had to undergo an amputation or surgery without a painkiller like many in the South had to.


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures%5Cm6101a3f2.gif

^^^ see

thank you doctors for ending more lives than you are saving :/

Why are you being so disingenuous? You know that the majority of those deaths will have come from people mixing opiates with alcohol or benzos, so why are hanging it all on doctors and opiates? People need to be more responsible themselves first and foremost, and everybody should know that you don't mix CNS depressants. Pretty sure all opiate prescriptions will have 'do not mix with alcohol' written on them as well.


They're different because they're different f*cking actions and circumstances. You can't just say two things are the same because you might get hurt. By that dumb logic, lion taming and eating chicken are the same. A lion might maul you to death and you could die from salmonella in the chicken.

Keep name calling and trying to rationalize whatever shit life you're living. Endlessly defending cigarettes and equating hard drugs with cars will surely put you at ease enough so you don't think of killing yourself for another 24 hours. Bump some rails and smoke a few more packs, it won't bother me.

I couldn't give a f*ck what people do, but I don't like your faux intellectual shit you bring into every thread like this.
**** me you are making a good pitch to be mayor of morondom. Of course they are different, that is why it's called a comparison; the risk has similarities, but i never said it was the same (can't you argue anything without having to constantly construct straw men?). Your idiotic lion and chicken example is not remotely comparable because the element of risk is in a different stratosphere. On the other hand, responding to somebody who says 'It's not like it can destroy your life, **** up your body and possibly kill you. Cocaine is great!'

with how can you get in a car if you aren't willing to do anything that brings a small risk of those things (because yes, the people cocaine does this to is a very small percentage of users) is a perfectly apt comparison. Traffic accidents are the single biggest killer of young people:

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/may/02/traffic-accidents-biggest-killer-young-people

I will defend cigarettes and drugs from prejudicial idiots such as yourself, who repeatedly get the facts wrong, and seem to think their use equates with a 'shit life' (your words). And if that makes me a 'faux intellectual' in your eyes then i really don't give a shit. I do smoke but i don't often take drugs any more, because i have too much shit to be getting on with; i simply know that they can be taken safely and enjoyed without any damage being done, because i have done it myself, and i know many other people who have managed to take a lot of drugs without it ruining their lives.


:applause: Dude is the biggest try-hard I've ever seen. Posting huge essays, full of big words but devoid of substance, just for people to think he's all smart and intellectual.
Whereas your arguments are full of substance like 'omg you use big words and write essays that i can't understand therefore they must be bs!'

I think it should be pretty obvious by now that i don't care what people on here think of me. It is only losers who make the mistake of thinking other people care what is thought of them on a bball forum because they are the only people who actually do care (e.g. you).

[-p.tiddy-]

Why are you being so disingenuous? You know that the majority of those deaths will have come from people mixing opiates with alcohol or benzos, so why are hanging it all on doctors and opiates? People need to be more responsible themselves first and foremost, and everybody should know that you don't mix CNS depressants. Pretty sure all opiate prescriptions will have 'do not mix with alcohol' written on them as well.
.
people need to be responsible AND SO DO DOCTORS

the death rates aren't rising because suddenly out of no where people are getting less and less educated on what they can and can't mix...they are rising because doctors are prescribing more and more freely

[niko]

Some of you know way way too much about drugs. You might want a different hobby.

[-p.tiddy-]

Everything was completely legal until the early 20th century. In fact, people frequently took morphine without even knowing what they were taking due to medicines being sold without listed ingredients. But no, it wasn't an 'epidemic', and addiction rates weren't any higher than they are now. It was also bored and ageing housewifes that tended to become addicts. A lot of soldiers got addicted during the civil war, but i'd rather be a morphine addict and not have had to undergo an amputation or surgery without a painkiller like many in the South had to.

oh it was just bored housewives...okay well then that doesn't count obviously :oldlol:


do you have anything to back up "addiction rates" for the 1800s?...I don't doubt it for a second because everyone's is on pills today...but I can't find any numbers that exist on that time period for opiate use...

also, it was labeled an "epidemic" by the DEA
http://www.deamuseum.org/museum_idaafde.html

let me guess..."that doesn't count" right?

[-p.tiddy-]

In just over 10 years time from its arrival into this country, the United States was plagued with a major morphine epidemic. Even though no actual statistics were kept on addiction at this time, the problem had grown to large enough proportions to raise serious concerns from the medical profession. Doctors became perplexed and were completely in the dark as to how to treat this new epidemic.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/heroin-history.html


knew you made that shit up...

[joe]

He's 13.

It's the same shit I was saying at 13 after I ate a pizza lunchable and took a nap on my parents bed... woke up, ate some pizza rolls, took a shit, and got dropped off at baseball practice. :facepalm

Shade, suck a dick kid. You don't know about that life yet.

Shade, I wish I kept your mindset for a while longer, if not permanently. Drugs shouldn't be done till at least 18, if not older, if not never. They can really change you if you're not mature enough. Don't listen to people like this ^^

[Dresta]

... and you guys are right when you say benzo and alcohol withdrawals are more dangerous than opiate b/c heavy users could have seizures and hardcore addicts going into withdrawals to detox should be in a controlled medical environment without question.

Opiate withdrawal doesn't present that level of being a health hazard, and only in extreme rare cases can/has it proven to be fatal. However, make no mistake about it, which it isn't as dangerous as benzo/alcohol withdrawal, opiate WDs can and to hardcore users/addicts is much more uncomfortable, painful, mind-raping inducing behaviors.

You don't see benzo addicts or alcoholics robbing, selling their bodies or other extreme means of doing whatever it takes to get yourself to your next fix. RBA brought up an interesting point when he said Hollywood in flicks exaggerates the opiate withdrawal experience, and he's right, they do, but just as you admitted himself watching his friends in some extreme individual cases that it's certainly no picnic, and it's not.

You don't see benzo addicts robbing and selling their bodies because they can get that shit from their doctors. Likewise, alcoholics can steal booze from people they know or supermarkets/ whatever. It is all to do with availability.

Benzo withdrawal is clearly the worst, and is a mind-rape of the highest degree:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/395340-What-is-the-worst-drug-to-have-withdrawals-from

And most of the people who put heroin as the worst had not suffered benzo withdrawal (from reading the posts). Some of them:

'Benzodiazepines. I've been prescribed them for 10 years. Only twice was I able to taper completely off them. When using so long, the withdrawals never go away. (for at least 1.5 years from what I've read) The withdrawals from just tapering are tough enough and when finally off of them I had anxiety so bad that I'd have reality breaks where I couldn't tell if I were alive or dead, sort of like dissociation...but in a bad way.

About 4 years ago I was able to stay off Clonazepam (from an initial 6mg prescribed daily dose + recreational dosages obtained from doctor shopping or other dealers who'd trade) for 2 months and I never felt so awful in my life...this was after 6 months of tapering also. My hands never EVER were steady, I'd twitch all the time, have mild spasms every couple hours, body would just "jump" every now and again, sharp pains like electricity shooting through the body, out of nowhere I'd get flashes of cold sweat, impossible to get more than four hours of sleep without Ambien, incredible muscle tension and pain (the toughest of the symptoms) and I was ALWAYS stressed out. '

'I've gone through serious Opiate withdrawal several times and it never came close to comparing to when I went through Benzo withdrawal from Xanax. It was by far the worst drug-related experience of my life'

'I had always heard about benzo w/d and until I had gone thru sudden wd's from stopping Lyrica, which one can argue is or is not a benzo, I experienced what everyone describes as the classic, tell-tale benzo like wd's. My head was foggy, I was unable to find motivation and energy to do anything, and mood was generally very down.

I found this to be far worse than the physical monster that is Opiate WD. To me that is 14 days of physical warfare, followed by 2 months of boredom. But the lyrica/benzo-like withdrawal easily took the cake.'

'oxycontin for me.I have talked to many people about this topic,and they all agreed it was benzos.[these guys are herion addicts also]'


These were all on the first page.

You are wrong about morphine btw: yes, it doesn't provide the same rush heroin does (i think because the latter crosses the brain blood barrier faster), but after that initial rush, heroin is converted to morphine in the body, so all you are feeling are the effects of morphine. To say methadone has greater recreational value than morphine is ludicrous: the potential to OD is very high with methadone, and while an effective painkiller, it provides nothing like the intense euphoria that morphine does. Methadone is a horrible drug.

[Dresta]

oh it was just bored housewives...okay well then that doesn't count obviously :oldlol:


do you have anything to back up "addiction rates" for the 1800s?...I don't doubt it for a second because everyone's is on pills today...but I can't find any numbers that exist on that time period for opiate use...

also, it was labeled an "epidemic" by the DEA
http://www.deamuseum.org/museum_idaafde.html

let me guess..."that doesn't count" right?
Come on... the DEA? Of course it doesn't count. The DEA is a propaganda machine that needs to justify its existence. The DEA head recently criticised Obama for saying cannabis isn't any more dangerous than alcohol. Hardly the place to go for objective information.

I don't have any information, but i have read estimates that say about 5%, and that is around the addiction level we have now.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/heroin-history.html


knew you made that shit up...
Like i said that article says soldiers from the civil war were what constituted the 'epidemic' - but it is hardly an epidemic considering these people had a legit medical need for something like morphine. Alcoholism was always a bigger problem, and was the primary emphasis behind the prohibition movement.

That article also says:

'Heroin, morphine and other opiate derivatives were unregulated and sold legally in the United States until 1920 when Congress recognized the danger of these drugs and enacted the Dangerous Drug Act. This new law made over-the-counter purchase of these drugs illegal and deemed that their distribution be federally regulated. By the time this law was passed, however, it was already too late. A market for heroin in the U.S. had been created. By 1925 there were an estimated 200,000 heroin addicts in the country. It was a market which would persist until this day.'

There are now around 700,000 heroin users, despite heroin being the most stigmatised drug of them all. This does not sound like effective policy to me, rather a huge waste of time, money and life.

[-p.tiddy-]

I have experienced extreme benzo withdraw when I went off them after 5+ years of use...

In the time I suffered withdrawal I basically developed panic disorder and had to be hospitalized for panic attacks. I had to isolate myself from the world for a while...you can't sleep...your anxiety levels are through the roof...you're completely disfunctional and restless

it is the exact opposite of being relaxed like you are while taking benzos, it's really awful

it took me 2 years to ween off them completely, I had to go back to them because like mentioned earlier the withdraw is long-term



the most painful withdrawal though is from pain killers like vicodin...even though it won't kill you it is still the most painful because it does the opposite to your body...instead of healing pain it CAUSES pain...your nerve endings are firing off over your entire body, you just hurt everywhere

I have heard of people having out of body expereinces when they withdrawal from pain killers

[Dresta]

@ p. tiddy - also, i'm very critical of doctors in general, and have had bad experiences with poor ones, but it is true that it is quite difficult for doctors when it comes to prescribing painkillers. Plenty of pain conditions cannot be objectively diagnosed, and this means either some people will manipulate the system to get the drugs they want, or others will have to suffer unnecessarily because the aforementioned people have lied. What is worse? imo the latter, and the desperation that may arise from being in constant pain and not being able to get painkillers (which will result in people going elsewhere to find them).

[RedBlackAttack]

I have experienced extreme benzo withdraw when I went off them after 5+ years of use...

In the time I suffered withdrawal I basically developed panic disorder and had to be hospitalized for panic attacks. I had to isolate myself from the world for a while...you can't sleep...your anxiety levels are through the roof...you're completely disfunctional and restless

it is the exact opposite of being relaxed like you are while taking benzos, it's really awful

it took me 2 years to ween off them completely, I had to go back to them because like mentioned earlier the withdraw is long-term



the most painful withdrawal though is from pain killers like vicodin...even though it won't kill you it is still the most painful because it does the opposite to your body...instead of healing pain it CAUSES pain...your nerve endings are firing off over your entire body, you just hurt everywhere

I have heard of people having out of body expereinces when they withdrawal from pain killers
Vicodin is pretty much the weakest opiate that people actually seek on the black market. In the range of opiates, vicodin is on one end of the spectrum and heroin is on the other.

I've witnessed extreme heroin withdrawal with my own two eyes... with the vomiting and the inability to take a shower because the water pressure is too painful and the loss of bowel control.

It isn't fun... but benzo withdrawal, as I said, actually has the capacity to kill you. How much were you taking out of curiosity?

[-p.tiddy-]

Vicodin is pretty much the weakest opiate that people actually seek on the black market. In the range of opiates, vicodin is on one end of the spectrum and heroin is on the other.

I've witnessed extreme heroin withdrawal with my own two eyes... with the vomiting and the inability to take a shower because the water pressure is too painful and the loss of bowel control.

It isn't fun... but benzo withdrawal, as I said, actually has the capacity to kill you. How much were you taking out of curiosity?
I was doing as much as 4mg a day at one point, for years... Doctors can prescribe as much as 8 though (which is insane)

Today I'm on none thank god... I'll never touch that shit again... never should have in the first place.

The fact that you can seize up and die doesn't mean it's the most painful... IMO its absolutely awful but it feels more like "insanity" than "pain"...its just extreme anxiety, to the point you can suffer a panic attack or even seize.

I can see it be labeled the worst withdraw because it can last months or even years, and it's also the most dangerous along with alcohol... But I wouldn't say it's as painful as opiate withdraw from what I have learned.

Vicodin addicts can gobble up bottles of pills a day, it being "weak" in comparison to other opiates is all relative to the amount being done. What I was told by rehab workers is that pain killers in return give the most "pain" and that it can be unstable to the point they have to strap the person down so they don't kill themselves.

[-p.tiddy-]

I'll say this... I kicked a 15 year smoking habit, and a 15 year drinking habit (heavy drinking)

Both were a walk in the park compared to xanax...


If I was unable to get the amount I needed to ween off then holy shit... that would have been absolutely unbearable for a very long time

At least with opiate withdraw its over within a weeks time...

[Fudge]

Cokeheads. :facepalm

jk love u

[chazzy]

It's more subtle than people think. Your confidence shoots up and you wanna talk a lot. Exhausted the next day. Have only done it for vegas trips or big celebrations like birthdays, def not something I would do every other weekend or something.

[MadeFromDust]

Some of you know way way too much about drugs. You might want a different hobby.
Buncha freaks who can't cope with this miserable world like real men

[russwest0]

No. That's in my Holy Trinity of feared drugs that I will never try along with crystal meth and heroin.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: You sound like a ***** btw

To the OP, cocaine isn't even that bad for you. Doctors have confirmed that Alcohol is actually worse.

[Dresta]

They all have their pros and cons tbh and different drugs suit different people. It's not a matter of dis drug = gooood, and dat drug = baaaad - that's just simplistic bullshit.

Different strokes for different folks

:dancin

[HardwoodLegend]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: You sound like a ***** btw

To the OP, cocaine isn't even that bad for you. Doctors have confirmed that Alcohol is actually worse.

What was your aim with that comment? Try to peer pressure me into "making a man out of myself"?

You're not nearly cool enough. Not even badass Aaron Paul could get me to try anything if I happened to end up working on a film with him.

[oarabbus]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: You sound like a ***** btw

To the OP, cocaine isn't even that bad for you. Doctors have confirmed that Alcohol is actually worse.

Yeah but that is pure unadulterated cocaine. The **** you find (unless you know someone high up in the supply chain close to the source) could be cut with all kinds of nasty stuff and isn't necessarily less harmful than alcohol.

To the people calling out drug use, come on. Harm reduction is the name of the game, and there is such a thing as controlled, informed, responsible recreational drug use.


http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/20101106_WOC504_0.gif From David Nutt of UK Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/302131_431178816929804_1259248211_n.jpg Can't find the source right now but from a published study

[1987_Lakers]

Another story, I'll keep it short.

Last night I was at a night club, there is this girl who was drunk ass **** and wanted the D. I already had some beers and did 2 lines of coke, I take this girl to my car, she wants to smoke weed but I ran out, but I had some coke, she then proceeds to hit 3 lines like her life depended on it. I play some music, she starts dancing on me in my car, I touch her tits and end up making out with her and suck her nipples, her friends come and take her away.:lol

[PistonsFan#21]

Another story, I'll keep it short.

Last night I was at a night club, there is this girl who was drunk ass **** and wanted the D. I already had some beers and did 2 lines of coke, I take this girl to my car, she wants to smoke weed but I ran out, but I had some coke, she then proceeds to hit 3 lines like her life depended on it. I play some music, she starts dancing on me in my car, I touch her tits and end up making out with her and suck her nipples, her friends come and take her away.:lol

how common would you say is the use of coke in clubs, bars, social gathering, etc? i never really had an encounter with someone that was high on coke or maybe i just couldnt tell

[1987_Lakers]

how common would you say is the use of coke in clubs, bars, social gathering, etc? i never really had an encounter with someone that was high on coke or maybe i just couldnt tell

In my experience it is very common in clubs & bars, you would be surprised what people do in secret in these things. Social gatherings like house parties? Rarely.

[ace23]

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/302131_431178816929804_1259248211_n.jpg Can't find the source right now but from a published study
Where did you get this? The ratio is backwards and the numbers are inaccurate.

[cos88]

I amnt Shady you dumbass Jan 2014.


:roll: :roll: :roll: what a tool jan 14 epic fail :facepalm

[Al Thorton]

I don't really like cocaine but I like the way it smells

[MJ(Mean John)]

how common would you say is the use of coke in clubs, bars, social gathering, etc? i never really had an encounter with someone that was high on coke or maybe i just couldnt tell


Very common. lol.

There's a LOT of ppl that do Coke, and once you start doing it yourself (not specifically regularly) you start to notice more ppl do it, you go to a bar or club, and you hear small, secret convos that before you would have just not even noticed, however once you're in that world, you notice it all different.


Coke is cool. Slightly overrated. Only did when I've had too much to drink usually at a strip club or club or something. B.itches will do anything for some yay.


Anyway.
Benzodiazepines - alright.

I used to be a big alcoholic. I'm talking I had to drink 5 times a week, and by myself. Hard liquor. Just started with a Pint, then a 5th, etc.

Withdrawal sucked ass.

Glad I'm over it. Well, I still drink, socially, or when I fell stressed, had a long day or want to have a good time.

Weed- overrated. The smell, the process, and way that the High just doesn't feel "clean" killed it for me.

X/Molly/MDMA- wack.

When you start talking Prescription Pain killers like Norco and Percocet.
Shit.. For me that's a different ball game. On an empty stomach, damn. That's a different ball game (for me at least)

Anyway, that was when I was younger, and nothing's wrong with it as long as you aren't hurting others, yourself, are responsible, know your limitations, do it moderately, aren't addicted and it's not a problem.