Shaquille Nowitzki vs Lebron Durant

[Milbuck]

Shaq/Dirk hybrid vs Lebron/Durant hybrid

Which one would you start a franchise with? And which one would you pick in 1 on 1 matchup?

[oarabbus]

Shaq/Dirk hybrid vs Lebron/Durant hybrid

Which one would you start a franchise with? And which one would you take in 1 on 1 matchup?

Do they get the best qualities of both, with none of the negatives?

So Shaquille Nowitzki is Peak Shaq + 50/40/90 Dirk shooting + ability to do "The Dirk"?

That's the best player ever. No hybrid of any other players will even come close.

[MrC1991]

Shaq/Dirk hybrid for both questions.

[Akrazotile]

crawl back into your mothers crotch bro

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I would take Shaq with only Dirk's passing and free throw shooting abilities over a Lebron/Durant combination. Maybe throw in the Dirk fadeaway just to make him more unguardable. But I don't mind Shaq banging on everyone. Unstoppable is unstoppable and too many moves might be counterproductive.

[oarabbus]

I would take Shaq with only Dirk's passing and free throw shooting abilities over a Lebron/Durant combination.


I would take Shaq with only Dirk's free throw shooting over a Jordan/Anyone combination.

[Milbuck]

Do they get the best qualities of both, with none of the negatives?

So Shaquille Nowitzki is Peak Shaq + 50/40/90 Dirk shooting + ability to do "The Dirk"?

That's the best player ever. No hybrid of any other players will even come close.

Yes, you can look at it that way.

Lebron Durant would also have Durant's length, shooting ability, scoring arsenal, etc. with Lebron's athleticism, strength, court vision, etc.

[Milbuck]

I would take Shaq with only Dirk's free throw shooting over a Jordan/Anyone combination.

You would take Shaq w/ elite free throw shooting over a Jordan/Hakeem, Jordan/Kareem, etc. hybrid?

[oarabbus]

You would take Shaq w/ elite free throw shooting over a Jordan/Hakeem, Jordan/Kareem, etc. hybrid?


Actually, that was a bit premature. Jordan Olajuwon/Abdul-Jabbar would be insane. But I think I still take Shaq Nowitzki (with all Dirk's abilities)

[BrownEye007]

LeNash O'neal

[GoranDragon]

Shaq/Dirk for sure.

This isn't even close.:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Smush Perkins >>>>

[MrC1991]

Smush Perkins >>>>
lmao, this made me giggle-snort. :lol

[navy]

Are Lebron and Durant that different?

[Cold soul]

Shaq/Dirk hybrid would be flat out terrifying. :eek:

[Milbuck]

I don't think it's as obvious as it seems. Just think of a near 7 foot tall Lebron with a 7'5" wingspan, Durant's shooting ability and overall scoring repertoire, while maintaining Lebron's passing ability/court vision and without compromising his 44 inch vert, athleticism, etc.

Shaq/Dirk would be a monstrous individual, but I think Lebron's team oriented game with Durant's individual strengths would be ridiculous as well.

[Joyner82reload]

Basically LeBron/Durant is Durant+30 pounds of muscle with better passing and slightly better athleticism/defense. It's an upgrade sure, but it's not like it's a massive upgrade. It's not like he's going to become a completely different player.

Now if you talk about as a team? I think LeBron and Durant on a team would be better than Shaq and Dirk on a team. LeBron and Durant would be otherwordly watching, those 2 alone would win 70 games with scrubs

[GoranDragon]

Shaq/Dirk would MURK Durant/Lebron.:facepalm

[red1]

I don't think it's as obvious as it seems. Just think of a near 7 foot tall Lebron with a 7'5" wingspan, Durant's shooting ability and overall scoring repertoire, while maintaining Lebron's passing ability/court vision and without compromising his 44 inch vert, athleticism, etc.

Shaq/Dirk would be a monstrous individual, but I think Lebron's team oriented game with Durant's individual strengths would be ridiculous as well.
you didnt really think this through milbuck. shaq nowitzki would clearly beat lebron durant

[GoranDragon]

Milbuck just wants to troll Lebron fans by making us pick against Lebron.

[Milbuck]

God damn peak Shaq destroying it. Would Hakeem in Shaq's place change the decision much?

[Angel Face]

Lebron Durant hybrid means Lebron will inherit KD's clutch genes. Hard to choose, must use "Eeny, meeny, miny, mo".

[Milbuck]

Milbuck just wants to troll Lebron fans by making us pick against Lebron.
I am literally propping up Lebron's positive qualities in this thread...

[GoranDragon]

How about this:

Lebron/Shaq or Durant/Dirk

I would take Lebron/Shaq anyday.:cheers:

[buddha]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/galleries/twitpics/090803/shaq-660.jpg

[Joyner82reload]

God damn peak Shaq destroying it. Would Hakeem in Shaq's place change the decision much?

No. Dirk is terrible at 2 things. Low post offense against bigger players, he's perimeter oriented postgame, and defense. Hakeem literally gives him GOAT level of both things.

[Joyner82reload]

How about this:

Lebron/Shaq or Durant/Dirk

I would take Lebron/Shaq anyday.:cheers:

What the hell does Dirk do for Durant? Give him a better post game? :lol

Durant's already a GOAT level scorer in ISO, Pick-n-roll, spot up's, and an elite post up player in his own right.

[Milbuck]

How about this:

Lebron/Shaq or Durant/Dirk

I would take Lebron/Shaq anyday.:cheers:
Dirk/Durant verges on MJ/Kobe level of redundancy..

[oarabbus]

God damn peak Shaq destroying it. Would Hakeem in Shaq's place change the decision much?

Yao James might have a case over Shaq Nowitzki. Yao gave Shaq problems as it was, but Yao with Lebron's athleticism, INSANE durability, 3pt shooting, court vision, and passing ability combined with Yao's 5" advantage on Shaq :eek:

7'6" + LeBron's passing ability + LeBron's strength = unfair

[navy]

What's the difference between Lebron/Durant than just Lebron with his jumpshot falling? Nothing.

[red1]

Yao James might have a case over Shaq Nowitzki. Yao gave Shaq problems as it was, but Yao with Lebron's athleticism, INSANE durability, 3pt shooting, court vision, and passing ability combined with Yao's 5" advantage on Shaq :eek:

7'6" + LeBron's passing ability + LeBron's strength = unfair
Yao Jordan :eek:

[Joyner82reload]

What's the difference between Lebron/Durant than just Lebron with his jumpshot falling? Nothing.

Durant's much better at splitting double teams, creating his own offense, and playing off of the ball.

There's a bigger gap giving LeBron Durant's skills, than giving Durant LeBron's skills.

[red1]

Durant's much better at splitting double teams, creating his own offense, and playing off of the ball.

There's a bigger gap giving LeBron Durant's skills, than giving Durant LeBron's skills.
so basically nothing. thanks for proving his point

[oarabbus]

Yao Jordan :eek:


:bowdown:

[Milbuck]

Yao James might have a case over Shaq Nowitzki. Yao gave Shaq problems as it was, but Yao with Lebron's athleticism, INSANE durability, 3pt shooting, court vision, and passing ability combined with Yao's 5" advantage on Shaq :eek:

The more I think about it, mother of god. 7'6" Lebron would be ****ing insane. Totally unfair.

[GoranDragon]

The more I think about it, mother of god. 7'6" Lebron would be ****ing insane. Totally unfair.
6'9" Lebron is ALREADY totally unfair.:pimp:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Shaq with the ability to shoot with the best of them? Game over

[Milbuck]

so basically nothing. thanks for proving his point

The difference is that Lebron would be almost 7 feet tall, have a 7'5" wingspan, GOAT level shooting for his size, as complete a scoring arsenal as it gets. This adding to Lebron's already existent 44 inch vert, otherworldly athleticism, elite PG level court vision, etc.

Defensively, Lebron with KD's height and length would be insane.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Even if he were as fluid an athlete, there's no way a 7-6 person would be able to weave through traffic in this NBA like LeBron can do. Some of those skills wouldn't translate.

[oarabbus]

While they wouldn't be at superGOAT levels like the combinations mentioned above, JR Battier and Luke (Walton) Beasley would be very nice players :applause:

[red1]

The difference is that Lebron would be almost 7 feet tall, have a 7'5" wingspan, GOAT level shooting for his size, as complete a scoring arsenal as it gets. This adding to Lebron's already existent 44 inch vert, otherworldly athleticism, elite PG level court vision, etc.

Defensively, Lebron with KD's height and length would be insane.
and then in the other corner you have shaq with nowitzki's shooting touch. need I say more?

[Milbuck]

6'9" Lebron is ALREADY totally unfair.:pimp:

9-10 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier, without compromising any athleticism. Yes or no over Shaquille Nowitzki?

[GoranDragon]

9-10 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier, without compromising any athleticism. Yes or no over Shaquille Nowitzki?
9-10 inches taller ISN'T an added advantage for Lebron. He already has the PERFECT body in the league.

Michael James Jordan >>>> Shaquille Nowitzki > Current Lebron James

[oarabbus]

9-10 inches taller ISN'T an added advantage for Lebron. He already has the PERFECT body in the league.

Michael James Jordan >>>> Shaquille Nowitzki > Current Lebron James

Larry Robinson (Bird ability + Nate Robinson athleticism) > Michael James Jordan

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron with a jumper and a clutch gene is fun to imagine but Ima go with shaquitsky

[Milbuck]

and then in the other corner you have shaq with nowitzki's shooting touch. need I say more?
Shaq underachieved defensively, and Dirk was never elite at his position defensively. So basically, we're looking t just Shaq defensively. Lebron aside from this year was an elite defender, and we're giving him a near 7 foot version of his body with a 7'5" wingspan. I think Lebron Durant > Shaq defensively.

If we're talking purely individual offense, you have me there. That's as unstoppable as it gets. But I think the combination of Lebron Durant's scoring potential PLUS Lebron's unreal vision and playmaking/passing ability for his size cuts the gap somewhat.

[GOATbe]

This would basically be a buffer/beta version of Durant. I'd rather have current Durant vs the hybrid.

[Cone]

shaquille nowitzki

thats the GOAT right there. unstoppable

[buddha]

Anthony Curry

Anthony Davis / Stephen Curry

so pretty much KD on bath salts.

[Cone]

How about this:

Lebron/Shaq or Durant/Dirk

I would take Lebron/Shaq anyday.:cheers:

durant and dirk are very similar.

what does durant do for dirk? more athleticism? even young dirk was athletic (kind of)

[Milbuck]

Anthony Curry

Anthony Davis / Stephen Curry

so pretty much KD on bath salts.
That's an awesome combo.

[Milbuck]

I guess if the general consensus is Shaquille Nowitzki in this situation, which potential hybrid could stop him?

[GoranDragon]

I guess if the general consensus is Shaquille Nowitzki in this situation, which potential hybrid could stop him?
Michael James Jordan.

And no, it won't be pretty.

[Joyner82reload]

durant and dirk are very similar.

what does durant do for dirk? more athleticism? even young dirk was athletic (kind of)

Not sure if srs. Durant does almost everything better than Dirk except for posting up. And he literally crushes Dirk is like half of the things. Including athleticism, creating off the dribble, slashing, fast breaks, etc.

[Cone]

Not sure if srs. Durant does almost everything better than Dirk except for posting up. And he literally crushes Dirk is like half of the things. Including athleticism, creating off the dribble, slashing, fast breaks, etc.

dirk is a way better shooter, and everything you said was because of his freak athleticism

and this is coming from a big durant fan

[GoranDragon]

Not sure if srs. Durant does almost everything better than Dirk except for winning rings/not losing to Lebron in the finals and crying.
Fixed.

[rhowen4]

shaq/dirk for sure

Shaquille Nowitzki, what a name, a mess of a name.

[Milbuck]

Michael James Jordan.

And no, it won't be pretty.

Lebron doesn't do anything for MJ's scoring arsenal, shooting, defense, clutch ability, or anything really besides 2 inches of height, extra muscle, and increased vision. That's basically a beefed up MJ with better vision.

Great combo, but I don't know if he beats Shaq Nowitzki.

[sbw19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSN1KnAW-Y

That plus 2000 Shaq post moves and passing is all I'm asking. And yes I'd be fine with his 59% FT shooting.

[GoranDragon]

Lebron doesn't do anything for MJ's scoring arsenal, shooting, defense, clutch ability, or anything really besides 2 inches of height, extra muscle, and increased vision. That's basically a beefed up MJ with better vision.

Great combo, but I don't know if he beats Shaq Nowitzki.
Shaq Nowitzki would fail in clutch situations while BOTH MJ and Lebron are cold blooded assassins that will take the last shot.

[MrC1991]

Nowitzki wasn't clutch?

[Milbuck]

Shaq Nowitzki would fail in clutch situations while BOTH MJ and Lebron are cold blooded assassins that will take the last shot.
**** you for making me bring this up, but

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

Dirk is one of the clutchest players the league has ever seen. What the hell are you talking about?

[Mr. Jabbar]

and Lebron are cold blooded assassins that will take the last shot.

Arrest this guy

[Joyner82reload]

dirk is a way better shooter, and everything you said was because of his freak athleticism

and this is coming from a big durant fan

Taking out rookie season's, Durant has a higher career FG%, 3P%, and FT%. And he's just entering his prime where his numbers continue to climb, whereas Dirk is done with his

Hell Durant's shooting 51/41/89 for the last 3 seasons COMBINED

[GoranDragon]

I didn't mean MJ and Lebron as individuals, but Michael James Jordan.

MJJ would be the clutchest player in NBA history.

[Milbuck]

I didn't mean MJ and Lebron as individuals, but Michael James Jordan.

MJJ would be the clutchest player in NBA history.
We're only taking the best qualities of both players and stockpiling them, not averaging them. If we averaged their clutch abilities, Michael James Jordan is about 50% as clutch as Michael Jordan.

Anyways, there's a hell of lot more going on in this comparison than just clutch ability. And Dirk is clutch enough to make the difference negligible compared to other aspects of the game.

[Cone]

Shaq Nowitzki would fail in clutch situations while BOTH MJ and Lebron are cold blooded assassins that will take the last shot.

dirk is a monster in the clutch..

and then in the clutch, what are you gona do? hack a shaq a 90% FT shooter?

[GoranDragon]

We're only taking the best qualities of both players and stockpiling them, not averaging them. If we averaged their clutch abilities, Michael James Jordan is about 50% as clutch as Michael Jordan.

Anyways, there's a hell of lot more going on in this comparison than just clutch ability. And Dirk is 100% clutch enough to make the difference negligible compared to other aspects of the game.
Michael James Jordan would bully Shaq Nowizki and it's not even a debate.

Just look at them in the all time ranking. Lebron + MJ is a top 3 player of all time.

1. MJ
6. Lebron

vs


7. Shaq
2X. Dirk

[MrC1991]

Honestly I'd take Dirk in a second to take the last shot.

[Milbuck]

Michael James Jordan would bully Shaq Nowizki and it's not even a debate.

Just look at them in the all time ranking. Lebron + MJ is a top 3 player of all time.

1. MJ
6. Lebron

vs


7. Shaq
2X. Dirk

You failed, move on. I gave up on Lebron/Durant, you need to give up on MJJ. Try another combo. Change it up, maybe one without Lebron?

[oarabbus]

LeBron Horry?

LeBron talent/physique + Horry "7 rings clutch" Clutchness

[Milbuck]

LeBron Horry?

LeBron talent/physique + Horry Clutchness
Lebron would probably have 5 rings or so already if he had that.

[GoranDragon]

LeBron Horry?

LeBron talent/physique + Horry "7 rings clutch" Clutchness
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[iamgine]

Shaq/Dirk hybrid vs Lebron/Durant hybrid

Which one would you start a franchise with? And which one would you pick in 1 on 1 matchup?
They'd be quite similar in impact I think.

LeBrant would be a 7'0 265 lbs with elite playmaking and shooting. Almost a perfect player.

Shaquitzki would be a 7'1 300 lbs unstoppable monster in the post.



How about a Yao/Dwight combo. Yaight would be a 7'6 310 lbs with 39.5" vert and excellent post moves. Clearly will get close to 10 blocks a game.

[MrC1991]

James Harden/Dennis Rodman? :confusedshrug:

[Milbuck]

They'd be quite similar in impact I think.

LeBrant would be a 7'0 265 lbs with elite playmaking and shooting. Almost a perfect player.

Shaquitzki would be a 7'1 300 lbs unstoppable monster in the post.



How about a Yao/Dwight combo. Yaight would be a 7'6 310 lbs with 39.5" vert and excellent post moves. Clearly will get close to 10 blocks a game.
This is exactly what I've been trying to say the whole time. The combination of scoring + passing in Lebron Durant is comparable to just the scoring of Shaquille Nowitzki, considering neither are even close to having real PG vision. Defensively Lebron Durant would have the edge as well.

[VIntageNOvel]

so basically a fat MJ vs Peak Giannis

[gin17]

durant + lebron = jordan
shaq + dirk = god

shaq + dirk > durant + lebron

[Marchesk]

Micheal Jeffrey Russell would never lose.

Bird Chamberlain would average 70 a game.

[russwest0]

What is the benefit of combining Durant with LeBron? Better at cherrypicking and passing? Passing isn't really a hole in KD's game so it wasn't the best combination to make.

This is easily Dirk/Shaq

[BoutPractice]

LeBron/Durant would be the best non big ever, but Shaquille Nowitzki would be the best big ever.

If Shaq could shoot free throws, I genuinely think they would've had to change the rules to stop him. They at the very least would've started calling him for offensive fouls a lot more, as a substitute for hack-a-shaq. Even more the case in this 'fusion' scenario, if you factor in that you're also giving him Nowitzki's consistent, professional approach to the game. And the ability to put the ball on the floor and shoot from outside, which although somewhat superfluous if you're Shaq makes you essentially invincible - if somehow they can stop you from getting a shot off near the basket, you even have a counter for that. They'd have to change the rules.

[moe94]

Basically LeBron/Durant is Durant+30 pounds of muscle with better passing and slightly better athleticism/defense. It's an upgrade sure, but it's not like it's a massive upgrade. It's not like he's going to become a completely different player.

Basically LeBron/Durant is Durant+30 pounds of muscle with better passing and slightly better athleticism/defense .

slightly better athleticism/defense .

slightly better
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[Joyner82reload]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/k0ux.jpg

You do realize Durant is EXTREMELY athletic in his own right, correct? He's probably the most athletic 6'10+ player in NBA history, talking on court basketball and not measurements. And his man defense is flat out better than LeBron's at this point in time. Off the ball defense/awareness is a different story.

[moe94]

You do realize Durant is EXTREMELY athletic in his own right, correct? He's probably the most athletic 6'10+ player in NBA history, talking on court basketball and not measurements. And his man defense is flat out better than LeBron's at this point in time. Off the ball defense/awareness is a different story.

Of course Durant is athletic, but he's not comparable to LeBron to the point of saying "slightly better". Give him some credit.

[Joyner82reload]

Of course Durant is athletic, but he's not comparable to LeBron to the point of saying "slightly better". Give him some credit.

You're talking about an 8.5 athlete to a 10. Is it a considerable jump? Yes, but it's like not the athleticism leap would make Durant some god. It's not like you're giving Dirk or Bird LeBron's athleticism. LeBron's bulk & strength is what Durant would gain most from LeBron.

Although it would be amusing because Durant would probably be able to dunk from 2-3 feet beyond the FT line.

[moe94]

Although it would be amusing because Durant would probably be able to dunk from 2-3 feet beyond the FT line.
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[KobesFinger]

What about LeBryan Nash?

[brantonli]

A Shaquille Nowitzki? Might as well give that beast the MVP and Finals MVP already. a 300 pound monster who can also go 50/40/90?



Time to create him on NBA2k14