Where will LeBron rank on the all-time list at the end of his career?

[Shade8780]

I think he can be top 5 if he can win a couple more championships.

[LeBron 06]

Top 3-5

[bdreason]

Top 10.

[SilkkTheShocker]

1.

[SexSymbol]

I'd say top 10, somewhere in 8-10 range

[Demitri98]

At the least top 10. At the very most he could be 2-4 if he wins several more championships and plays at an elite level into his mid-30's.

[imdaman99]

Top 10, lowest being 10. Highest being 5-6 range.

[Crafty]

If it was right now. Between 9-12.

[Milbuck]

I'd say he cracks the top 10, then gets booted out in 10 years by Giannis.

[r0drig0lac]

maybe top 10,certainly top 12

[AnaheimLakers24]

#33

[Black and White]

anywhere between 7-10, if he stinks up more finals then it becomes a different story....

[alenleomessi]

3rd at least

[Marlo_Stanfield]

anywhere between 7-10, if he stinks up more finals then it becomes a different story....
ur so laughable pathetic. he is already top 10, if he never wins another title will at least be top 5 and if he wins a few more hell be GOAT.
stay mad:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Black and White]

ur so laughable pathetic. he is already top 10, if he never wins another title will at least be top 5 and if he wins a few more hell be GOAT.
stay mad:oldlol: :oldlol:

What did I say that isn't reasonable??

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Wilt

thats seven guys I could name off the top of my head that Bron still has to pass, not to mention Kobe, Duncan etc.

Stop overrating him.

[SexSymbol]

ur so laughable pathetic. he is already top 10, if he never wins another title will at least be top 5 and if he wins a few more hell be GOAT.
stay mad:oldlol: :oldlol:
He's not top 10, have patience.

[Solefade]

Lebron's already top 10, he's capable of finishing in top 3 with 2 more chips/MVPs.

[NumberSix]

Exactly where he already is. Top 4.

[Joyner82reload]

I think he can be top 5 if he can win a couple more championships.

Highly doubt he's going to end up higher than Jordan, Durant, Kareem, Magic, or Russell

[Illuminati]

3rd at worst, 1st at best.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

3rd at worst, 1st at best.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[SexSymbol]

Lebron's already top 10, he's capable of finishing in top 3 with 2 more chips/MVPs.
He's not above
MJ
Kareem
Rusell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Wilt
Dr.J

Jerry West, Moses are arguable too, probably something else

[red1]

assuming we dont get another 2011 finals level choke I predict he retires top 5

[Solefade]

He's not above
MJ
Kareem
Rusell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Wilt
Dr.J

Jerry West, Moses are arguable too, probably something else

lol he's already surpassed Dr. J and arguably Hakeem and Kobe. How many of those guys you listed have more than 2 MVPs and 2 FMVPs?

Lebron (without being biased) has already solidified himself as #9-10ish already this past season.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He's not above
MJ
Kareem
Rusell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Wilt
Dr.J

Jerry West, Moses are arguable too, probably something else
didnt read but yall should know this poster said LeBron had zero pressure to win it all in 2012 before future conversations with him:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[iTare]

Worst: 7
Best: 3

[SexSymbol]

lol he's already surpassed Dr. J and arguably Hakeem and Kobe. How many of those guys you listed have more than 2 MVPs and 2 FMVPs?
In what world do MVPs even matter.
Cmon man, Shaq has 1, Kobe has 1, Hakeem has what? 1?
MVP is worthless, it has no real criteria and is voted on by frickin espn analysts.
You just don't respect greatness, do you.
Hakeem dominated Shaq, Hakeem and Robinson in PO.
Who has LeBron dominated in the PO besides 75 year old PP and KG? He hasn't beaten anybody in their prime on a big stage. Look at the context, not only at the numbers.

[Jameerthefear]

probably top 5. at best top 3.

[NumberSix]

Worst: 7
Best: 3
I know this is off topic, but.....


I noticed your location is Salt Lake. What are people from your city called? Salt Lakians?

What are people from Utah called? Utahans?

[NumberSix]

probably top 5. at best top 3.
Who would be 1 and 2?

[Boarder Patrol]

4-8 would be my reasonable guess. MJ/Kareem/Wilt are my top 3 and guys I don't think he'll pass. Just by having his current accolades and getting the customary 1st teams/all star games/stats he'll move up from his current 10 or so to 8 at least.

Gun to my head I'd say 5th.

[Solefade]

In what world do MVPs even matter.
Cmon man, Shaq has 1, Kobe has 1, Hakeem has what? 1?
MVP is worthless, it has no real criteria and is voted on by frickin espn analysts.
You just don't respect greatness, do you.
Hakeem dominated Shaq, Hakeem and Robinson in PO.
Who has LeBron dominated in the PO besides 75 year old PP and KG? He hasn't beaten anybody in their prime on a big stage. Look at the context, not only at the numbers.


In what world do MVPs even matter.

-Kobetard


MVP is worthless, it has no real criteria and is voted on by frickin espn analysts.

Because your opinion is much more worthy :rolleyes:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

number 1

[NumberSix]

-Kobetard



Because your opinion is much more worthy :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure MVPs would be worth a whole fcuking lot if Kobe had more of them.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't think he'll pass Jordan, despite the potential. I'll put in the top 5 though, definitely ahead of Kobe

[Solefade]

I'm pretty sure MVPs would be worth a whole fcuking lot if Kobe had more of them.


that's what i was thinking

[SexSymbol]

that's what i was thinking
That's your only argument to the fact that it has no criteria and is voted on by analysts, who show day by day that they lack knowledge and have their biases.
If it was voted on by players like it once was, or at the very least coaches, yeah, you'd have a point.
And yes, Kobe's mvp is completely worthless, all that matters is winning, because you play the game to win

[JebronLames]

2nd. People that are open minded might have him as the GOAT.

[NumberSix]

That's your only argument to the fact that it has no criteria and is voted on by analysts, who show day by day that they lack knowledge and have their biases.
If it was voted on by players like it once was, or at the very least coaches, yeah, you'd have a point.
And yes, Kobe's mvp is completely worthless, all that matters is winning, because you play the game to win
Yeah, so you judge each player by how much they add to winning. Not simply how much winning their team does alone. Bosh has done a lot more winning than Durant. Durant adds more to winning than Bosh does though.

[SexSymbol]

Yeah, so you judge each player by how much they add to winning. Not simply how much winning their team does alone. Bosh has done a lot more winning than Durant. Durant adds more to winning than Bosh does though.
Durant has no "winning" yet. Yeah, he has some great stats and regular season wins. You are judged by how much you've won and how much you've contributed to winning, not by awards for greatest story of the season.

[Solefade]

That's your only argument to the fact that it has no criteria and is voted on by analysts, who show day by day that they lack knowledge and have their biases.
If it was voted on by players like it once was, or at the very least coaches, yeah, you'd have a point.
And yes, Kobe's mvp is completely worthless, all that matters is winning, because you play the game to win

what tangible points/facts have you given me to put your dude over lebron? you've given me nothing. and lets not use rings because that would mean robert horry > kobe and Bill Russell is GOAT which is absolutely not true.

quit being such a delusional stan

[Megabox!]

At the end of his career? Top 10 for the King :bowdown:

[PsychoBe]

mj > magic > larry > kareem > kobe

those are pretty much a lock. mj the undisputed goat magic and larry both saved not only the nba but basketball as well and kareem due to nearly an immeasurable amount of accolades and kobe bean bryant for being the face of 21st century basketball.

[Lord Leoshes]

depending on how many more championships he gets, I would say anywhere between 1, & 3

[talkingconch]

lol he's already surpassed Dr. J and arguably Hakeem and Kobe. How many of those guys you listed have more than 2 MVPs and 2 FMVPs?

Lebron (without being biased) has already solidified himself as #9-10ish already this past season.
Not the way he earned them

[SexSymbol]

what tangible points/facts have you given me to put your dude over lebron? you've given me nothing. and lets not use rings because that would mean robert horry > kobe and Bill Russell is GOAT which is absolutely not true.

quit being such a delusional stan
I'm delusional? You mention Robert horry and Kobe in the same sentence as a leader lol.
LEADER rings are what makes you a great. The saddest part is that every LeBron fan knows what we mean when we say 5>2, but they still pull that horry>everybody hurr durr card. It's just sad, let go of your agenda, man.
I consider Russell to be the GOAT, why is that so absolutely not true? You say that like he has no case, and he does.
Anybody who puts a lot of stock in MVP ranking all-time greats just screams "I AM A CASUAL FAN" to the world.

[dankok8]

I don't think Lebron will ever be in the GOAT conversation with MJ, Kareem, and Russell because he won't gather enough titles and major accomplishments.

He will likely end up in Tier 2 with Magic, Bird, Wilt, and Shaq IMO.

[NumberSix]

I'm delusional? You mention Robert horry and Kobe in the same sentence as a leader lol.
LEADER rings are what makes you a great. The saddest part is that every LeBron fan knows what we mean when we say 5>2, but they still pull that horry>everybody hurr durr card. It's just sad, let go of your agenda, man.
I consider Russell to be the GOAT, why is that so absolutely not true? You say that like he has no case, and he does.
Anybody who puts a lot of stock in MVP ranking all-time greats just screams "I AM A CASUAL FAN" to the world.
Then why are you still talking about Kobe having 5?

[fpliii]

what tangible points/facts have you given me to put your dude over lebron? you've given me nothing. and lets not use rings because that would mean robert horry > kobe and Bill Russell is GOAT which is absolutely not true.

quit being such a delusional stan
Depends who you ask.

:cheers:

[mehyaM24]

LEADER rings are what makes you a great.

...so lebron over >>> kobe because his mvps are the tie breaker :banana:

[BlazerRed]

ur so laughable pathetic. he is already top 10, if he never wins another title will at least be top 5 and if he wins a few more hell be GOAT.
stay mad:oldlol: :oldlol:
Holy shit he's top 5 with 2 wins and 2 losses, including one of the worst choke jobs in history? :roll: Dude isn't even top 10 until he wins another.

[SexSymbol]

Then why are you still talking about Kobe having 5?
Yeah we can say that LeBron will be in his tier when he gets four, as the first one wasn't as impressive due to injury. Although his impact defensively was immeasurable and he had a GREAT WCF that year. Look at the context man, it's what seperates casual fans from hardcore fans

[NumberSix]

Yeah we can say that LeBron will be in his tier when he gets four, as the first one wasn't as impressive due to injury. Although his impact defensively was immeasurable and he had a GREAT WCF that year. Look at the context man, it's what seperates casual fans from hardcore fans
So what are we doing here? Rings as the leader or rings as the next best guy after the leader?

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron stans ITT referencing MVP's as a reference for LeBron's all time ranking. In other threads they say he doesn't care about MVP's anymore because they don't matter & he only wants rings. :rolleyes:

[SexSymbol]

So what are we doing here? Rings as the leader or rings as the next best guy after the leader?
In a sense Kobe was more valuable to the three peat team due to being a point guard, best defender (top 5 in the world at the time) and a 1/2nd scoring option on any given night.
4 out of 5 are leader rings for Kobe, he averaged like 25/5/5 through the three-peat, which only MJ has done

[Solefade]

LeBron stans ITT referencing MVP's as a reference for LeBron's all time ranking. In other threads they say he doesn't care about MVP's anymore because they don't matter & he only wants rings. :rolleyes:


lol MVPs are way more legitmate in All-Time ranking than rings as a beta and undeserved FMVPs

[NumberSix]

In a sense Kobe was more valuable to the three peat team due to being a point guard, best defender (top 5 in the world at the time) and a 1/2nd scoring option on any given night.
4 out of 5 are leader rings for Kobe, he averaged like 25/5/5 through the three-peat, which only MJ has done
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Foreigners man....



Ignore list.

[PsychoBe]

lol MVPs are way more legitmate in All-Time ranking than rings as a beta and undeserved FMVPs

shaq is ahead of bran and he doesnt even have half as many as bran and we both know bran wouldnt outrank shaq on any all-time lists.

mj > magic > bird > kareem > kobe

the top 5 is locked

[SexSymbol]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Foreigners man....



Ignore list.
Great arguments :cheers:

[Solefade]

shaq is ahead of bran and he doesnt even have half as many as bran and we both know bran wouldnt outrank shaq on any all-time lists.

mj > magic > bird > kareem > kobe

the top 5 is locked


shaq is ahead of bron AND kobe. i never disputed this lol

[houston]

top 3 all-time

[Doranku]

#11

[GOATbe]

Top 30, but he'll always be behind Dirk,Wade, Allen.

[PsychoBe]

shaq is ahead of bron AND kobe. i never disputed this lol

then there goes the mvp argument.

wouldnt be too sure about placing shaq ahead of kobe when kobe found more/similar success without shaq than the latter did without kobe.

dont forget that prior to shaq joining LA, he had the honor and the privilege to, along with penny hardaway and dennis scott, get swept by olajuwon and the rockets in the finals.

kobe has more final appearances and wins than shaq does

[zoom17]

top 5

[Cold soul]

Top 10 for sure not sure where exactly Lebron ends up. If I had to guess top 6.

[StrongLurk]

Between 3-6, top 8 at worst.

[Solefade]

then there goes the mvp argument.

wouldnt be too sure about placing shaq ahead of kobe when kobe found more/similar success without shaq than the latter did without kobe.

dont forget that prior to shaq joining LA, he had the honor and the privilege to, along with penny hardaway and dennis scott, get swept by olajuwon and the rockets in the finals.

kobe has more final appearances and wins than shaq does

he has 3 FMVPs and clearly has one of the best peaks that ever played, arguably more dominant than Jordan's peak.

[PsychoBe]

he has 3 FMVPs and clearly has one of the best peaks that ever played, arguably more dominant than Jordan's peak.

i agree but the top 10 all time rankings is much more about longevity than it is about peak. it takes a special player to be able to have sustained success for such long periods of time and we both know that in terms of longevity kobe is well ahead of shaq.

that's what makes the top 5 completely impenetrable

mj > magic > larry > kareem > kobe

also take into account that each of these players were omnipresent in their respective decades (aside from kareem who spans nearly 3 different decades) and you have unmatched longevity, talent, and wins between them.

[diamenz]

ur so laughable pathetic. he is already top 10, if he never wins another title will at least be top 5 and if he wins a few more hell be GOAT.
stay mad:oldlol: :oldlol:

man how the hell can he be goat when he jumped teams and is known for things like flopping and disappearing when it counts? goat isn't measured by stats alone. meh, fluk it - u were prob born in 1990.

imo - top fifteen. lebron will not be remembered the way other greats are.