"what we're whitnessing from durant hasnt been done in 20+ years"- ESPN

[kennethgriffin]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg
2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg




http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif

[Heavincent]

Did they really say that?

[moe94]

ESPN hitching a new wagon. How long before everyone turns on Durant?

[Budadiiii]

Do you even TS%?

[Ancient Legend]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif

They're right, Kobe shot like 39% and like 1 apg during those stretches.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Are they really saying this griff

[TOUCH MY BODY]

C'mon Kenneth, as a Kobe fan, you gotta give KD props. The man is on a different planet. Obviously not those Kobe numbers, but he has Kobe's blessing. Love the kid.

http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/16415323_SA.jpg

[Illuminati]

I'm guessing his efficiency is the major factor.

[Akrazotile]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg
2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg




Percentages?

[Akrazotile]

They're right, Kobe shot like 39% and like 1 apg during those stretches.


damn, beat me to it

[juju151111]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif
Show his other stats and his efficiency.

[Dr. Ice]

i havent heard them say this

[Budadiiii]

damn, beat me to it
His assists are actually included in the post.

You agree with stupidity?

You so Hollywood bro.

[Deuce Bigalow]

They're right, Kobe shot like 39% and like 1 apg during those stretches.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/24/KOBEFACEPALM.gif

[KG215]

Now let's compare efficiency.

[Dave3]

Really now. Even you're not this dense. Everyone and their mothers know that they don't mean only the ppg right?

Or is this just an excuse to post some Kobe stats and talk about him because you miss mentioning him?

[sportjames23]

ESPN hitching a new wagon. How long before everyone turns on Durant?


Give it about two seasons.

ESPN stay bandwagoning. I remember when they used to be on Kobe's nuts hard. Then Colorado happened and they were ready to look for the next thing. In walks Lebron and it's been that way since.

Now, they gonna crown KD.

Well, you wanna crown, then crown his ass!

/Dennis Green

[kennethgriffin]

Percentages?


2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS%
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS%
2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS%
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS%

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

At least ESPN is smart enough to understand raw PPG is overrated. What KD is doing from a scoring standpoint is MJ-esque. :applause:

[moe94]

This thread would have you believe Kobe Bryant is Brandon Jennings.

[HOoopCityJones]

No news here, they always fabricate certain requirements to the stats they are measuring.

X amount games, X percent from the field, or so an so is the only person to average 30pts for 6 straight games while managing to average 6 asst and at least 4 reb.

[christian1923]

Kobe is amazing. How can you hate on that. Those numbers are godly.

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe's numbers take a huge DUMP on Durants... and Kobe did this so many times throughout his career. This is KD's first. Give some respect to the man who did it first

[TOUCH MY BODY]

For the record, Kobe takes and makes the most difficult shots in the league. Obviously a lot of them are 'bad' shots, but we all know if there is anyone that's going to make them, it's Kobe. That's why Kobe is Kobe.

I still don't understand how you idiots have to put another player down to boost your own player. If you're a true fan of the game, you will appreciate greatness, whether it's displayed by your favorite player or not.

[Heavincent]

When's the last time someone averaged 40 points in a month? Pretty sure Kobe was the last one.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS%
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS%
2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS%
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS%


:applause:

Ancient legend exposed

[FreezingTsmoove]

They just did a segment on Durant , kens quote was not said. Yall postin in troll thread

[J Shuttlesworth]

Where are the percentages? Oh wait, only scoring matters to Kobe stans

BTW, Durant's season so far > any season Kobe ever had.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG

[chazzy]

When's the last time someone averaged 40 points in a month? Pretty sure Kobe was the last one.
I would guess he has the last couple of those scoring months

[TheMarkMadsen]

They're right, Kobe shot like 39% and like 1 apg during those stretches.

:oldlol:

[moe94]

:applause:

Ancient legend exposed
bbbbut Kobe shoots poorly.

[hahaitme]

Durant stans last month: efficiency is overrated
Durant stans this month: lets compare efficiency

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[J Shuttlesworth]

So what's Durant's TS on this stretch?

[Micku]

When's the last time someone averaged 40 points in a month? Pretty sure Kobe was the last one.

Since Wilt I think. MJ came close with 39. But I could be wrong.

[GOATbe]

Durant stans last month: efficiency is overrated
Durant stans this month: lets compare efficiency

http://replygif.net/i/130.gif
true :lol

[Milbuck]

Can we please stop acting like Kobe is Steve Francis or JR ****ing Smith? In his prime he was exactly what KD, Lebron, and Giannis are to the league right now - completely on another level.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Can we please stop acting like Kobe is Steve Francis or JR ****ing Smith? In his prime he was exactly what KD, Lebron, and Giannis are to the league right now - completely on another level.
In his prime, he missed the playoffs :coleman:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

So what's Durant's TS on this stretch?
2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG

[Droid101]

Durant stans last month: efficiency is overrated
Durant stans this month: lets compare efficiency

http://replygif.net/i/130.gif
Yeah, pretty much.

Last month, Durant was leading LeBron in every stat but PER (player efficiency rating). Now he leads him in everything (except assists).

Ready to kill yourself yet?

[Ancient Legend]

:applause:

Ancient legend exposed

How many rings did Kobe win during the years the OP posted?

Thought so.

Oh I remember, Kobe was choking away back-to-back playoffs series against the Suns.

KD at least has his team in first place. And post real FG% so we can compare it to Durant.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Durant stans last month: efficiency is overrated
Durant stans this month: lets compare efficiency

http://replygif.net/i/130.gif
The difference is Kobe and KD are both dominant while Lebron is merely only efficient. Therefore u have to use efficiency as the tiebreaker for Kobe and KD

[kennethgriffin]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 35.6ppg, 7.6rpg, 5.3apg, .668 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG


heres the thing... kobe has an entire season averaging 35.. and a career averaging 5 assists... durants 7 foot frame should grab 10 rebounds a game.. whats this 7 crap?


and btw... all those 4 kobe lines are better... 40 ppg over 35ppg is such a huge advantage that a few boards or assists aint making up for it

[Droid101]

In his prime, he missed the playoffs :coleman:
You mean the season he missed 20 games, which was also the season they traded away Shaq for nothing, and Payton for nothing, and Karl Malone retired? That season?

Yeah, okay, **** you.

[KG215]

It's not that Kobe was inefficient during his hot scoring streaks, because he wasn't. It's just that Durant is on "God Level" efficiency wise at similar volume.

[christian1923]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG
What is offensive and defensive rating?

[J Shuttlesworth]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG
Hmm.... only one of Kobe's stretches really compares, but it was only 8 games. I'm afraid January KD > Prime Kobe. He's owning his overall ORTG, and has better rebound/assist numbers. Durant > Kobe

[juju151111]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG
Ddurant better it seems.

[kennethgriffin]

It's not that Kobe was inefficient during his hot scoring streaks, because he wasn't. It's just that Durant is on "God Level" efficiency wise at similar volume.


kobes 6-5... durants 7 feet


a higher efficiency or rebounding percentage is expected

[Ancient Legend]

40 ppg over 35ppg is such a huge advantage that a few

KD is at 37 ppg for the month , fa66ot.

[Droid101]

Ortg and Drtg are more of a team stat.

Kobe's are way more impressive. Stop being so dense.

Accept Durant's MVP this year without having to bring up past legends.

[Budadiiii]

kobes 6-5... durants 7 feet


a higher efficiency or rebounding percentage is expected
Yah, he's a better basketball player by default.

Basketball is a game of genetics. Nothing new here.

[juju151111]

kobes 6-5... durants 7 feet


a higher efficiency or rebounding percentage is expected
He getting more asts too and being tall doesn't mean your going to get rebounds.

[Akrazotile]

Kobe is amazing. How can you hate on that. Those numbers are godly.


Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Kobe could have put up those exact same 'godly' numbers for the Charlotte Bobcats and never been part of a single championship title team. How much would your respect him then? Your perception of him has more to do with the franchise he was lucky enough to play for rather than anything his numbers tell you. If he'd gotten them playing for an organization that was never able to build COMPLETE championship teams, you'd call Kobe's stats empty. Instead you called them godly. Due mostly to sheer luck.

Great teams win championships, but people love to hero-worship, so they pick the guy with the best stats and claim it was his stats that earned "the ring." Meanwhile anyone with the same stats but lesser teammates is "empty."

I don't care if you wanna say Kobe's a good player. Of course he is. But most people want to START with the premise Kobe is some sort of legendary giant, because thats what they WANT to believe, then they come up with inconsistent logic as to why it's so.

[kennethgriffin]

Ddurant better it seems.


durant is more efficient


but any time a guy is 7 inches taller and takes 7 less shots with better team mates taking pressure off him... its expected.


more impressive? the guy dropping 40+ a game

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What were Kobe's percentages from the field? Just curious :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Ortg and Drtg are more of a team stat.

Kobe's are way more impressive. Stop being so dense.

Accept Durant's MVP this year without having to bring up past legends.
How are Kobe's more impressive? Seriously?

[juju151111]

Ortg and Drtg are more of a team stat.

Kobe's are way more impressive. Stop being so dense.

Accept Durant's MVP this year without having to bring up past legends.
How is it better? Durant is more efficient,more rebounds, and more asts.

[Milbuck]

In his prime, he missed the playoffs :coleman:
Yes, because we should totally hold it against him for missing the playoffs when his coach resigned midway through the season, when he was injured for a month, when his teammates were Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom (he was good), Caron Butler, Brian Grant, Brian Cook, Jumaine Jones, Tierre Brown, etc.

[J Shuttlesworth]

durant is more efficient


but any time a guy is 7 inches taller and takes 7 less shots with better team mates taking pressure off him... its expected.


more impressive? the guy dropping 40+ a game
Did Kobe actually average 40 points a game in a whole month? It seems unfair to compare a month from Durant to an 8 game stretch for Kobe. What were Kobe's month long averages?

[juju151111]

durant is more efficient


but any time a guy is 7 inches taller and takes 7 less shots with better team mates taking pressure off him... its expected.


more impressive? the guy dropping 40+ a game
What does him being 7 feet tall mean? He is a perimeter player just like Kobe. He more efficient,more rebounds, and more asts and Kobe took 7 more shots to get 3 more points. His most impressive one too was the 8 game one.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

lol at people assuming Kobe would be extremely inefficient during those months.

You don't average 40 ppg in this era and not be somewhat efficient. Unless you are taking 100 shots a game... Use your head.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yes, because we should totally hold it against him for missing the playoffs when his coach resigned midway through the season, when he was injured for a month, when his teammates were Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom (he was good), Caron Butler, Brian Grant, Brian Cook, Jumaine Jones, Tierre Brown, etc.
So what? Bran led scrubs in cleveland with the shittiest coach of all time, Mike Brown... ALL THE WAY TO THE FINALS. What's Kobe's excuse? Couldn't get it done w/o a dominant big man?

[Kingwillball]

Remember it was this time last year Lebron had 6 plus games straight of 30+ points on 60% shooting streak and ESPN and analysts were saying they never seen anything like it.. carry on

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol at people assuming Kobe would be extremely inefficient during those months.

You don't average 40 ppg in this era and not be somewhat efficient. Unless you are taking 100 shots a game... Use your head.
There's a difference between efficient, and Durant this month

[secund2nun]

ChuckBe vs Durant

ChuckBe:

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, 47% fg, 29 shots/game

2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, 47% fg, 30 shots/game

2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, 50% fg, 29 shots/game (8 game stretch)

2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, 46% fg, 30 shots/game


Durant:

2004/january = 36.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 6.2 apg, 53.5% fg, 22 shots/game


Durant wins easily. Durant>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe

[tpols]

lol at people assuming Kobe would be extremely inefficient during those months.

You don't average 40 ppg in this era and not be somewhat efficient. Unless you are taking 100 shots a game... Use your head.
Kobe was extremely efficient.. an average perimeter player probably shoots 51-52TS he shot 58-60.

Durants efficiency right now is probably unmatched in NBA history. I dont feel like digging but I doubt even Michael Jordan had a month where he shot close to 70TS. It's the three ball and FTs that are doing it. Being a 40% 3pt shooter skyrockets TS as does being a 90% FT shooter and getting tons of soft calls.

[Akrazotile]

Yes, because we should totally hold it against him for missing the playoffs when his coach resigned midway through the season, when he was injured for a month, when his teammates were Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom (he was good), Caron Butler, Brian Grant, Brian Cook, Jumaine Jones, Tierre Brown, etc.


These same pea-brains who compare players based on "rings" or playoff success don't go back and look at each player's circumstance through every year of his career.

If you give Kobe credit for 'five rings' then you're giving him credit for rings he won while playing alongside the most DOMINANT PRIME EVER (shaq). So he gets credit for that but he doesn't get blame for failing to reach the top 8 seeds in his own CONFERENCE during the prime of his career?

So inconsistent and foolish. But whatever. People believe what they want to believe. :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ChuckBe vs Durant

ChuckBe:

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, 47% fg, 29 shots/game

2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, 47% fg, 30 shots/game

2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, 50% fg, 29 shots/game (8 game stretch)

2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, 44% fg, 24 shots/game


Durant:

2004/january = 36.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 6.2 apg, 53.5% fg, 22 shots/game


Durant wins easily. Durant>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe

Hmmm

[secund2nun]

Hmmm

I edited march 2007. I had it wrong before.

[J Shuttlesworth]

ChuckBe vs Durant

ChuckBe:

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, 47% fg, 29 shots/game

2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, 47% fg, 30 shots/game

2006/april = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, 50% fg, 29 shots/game (8 game stretch)

2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, 44% fg, 24 shots/game


Durant:

2004/january = 36.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 6.2 apg, 53.5% fg, 22 shots/game


Durant wins easily. Durant>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe
Some of the stats are skewed by the fact Durant gets to the line more than Kobe, so Kobe takes more shots to score the same. Still though, it's a credit to Durant's ability to score no matter what. Free throws are a form of scoring too :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

How many rings did Kobe win during the years the OP posted?

Thought so.

Oh I remember, Kobe was choking away back-to-back playoffs series against the Suns.

KD at least has his team in first place. And post real FG% so we can compare it to Durant.
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/kobe-death-stare-mike-brown.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eTVnGrEQzjg/URk1s4LV79I/AAAAAAAAesc/SLm98xl1e0w/s640/2qa214m.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe lost a lot of those games in the OP months. We'd have to take away those stats since they were empty stats. He probably ends up with 15 ppg for a month when you consider empty stats

[kennethgriffin]

Did Kobe actually average 40 points a game in a whole month? It seems unfair to compare a month from Durant to an 8 game stretch for Kobe. What were Kobe's month long averages?

the f*** are you talkin about

feb 2003 was 1st - 28th = 14 games



jan 2006 was 6th - 31st = 13 games
december 28th to january 31st he averaged 43.5ppg
december 20th to january 31st he averaged 42.2ppg
december 12th to january 31st he averaged 40.7ppg ( 22 game stretch )

it wasnt a few games idiot

:lol

[hahaitme]

Ready to kill yourself yet?

Yeah, okay, **** you.

Haha can you believe this, this dude sounds so mad over a few forum posts.

:roll:

http://i.imgur.com/Q2TZEMg.jpg

[christian1923]

Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Kobe could have put up those exact same 'godly' numbers for the Charlotte Bobcats and never been part of a single championship title team. How much would your respect him then? Your perception of him has more to do with the franchise he was lucky enough to play for rather than anything his numbers tell you. If he'd gotten them playing for an organization that was never able to build COMPLETE championship teams, you'd call Kobe's stats empty. Instead you called them godly. Due mostly to sheer luck.

Great teams win championships, but people love to hero-worship, so they pick the guy with the best stats and claim it was his stats that earned "the ring." Meanwhile anyone with the same stats but lesser teammates is "empty."

I don't care if you wanna say Kobe's a good player. Of course he is. But most people want to START with the premise Kobe is some sort of legendary giant, because thats what they WANT to believe, then they come up with inconsistent logic as to why it's so.
What's your point?

Kobe plays for the lakers not the bobcats. Your wasting your time typing all that, really saying a whole lot of nothing. Kobe puts up great stats in the regular season and the playoffs won 5 titles, and was lucky enough to be a laker. Nothing else matters and it is what it is. He's going down as a top 5 player.

Your thinking with to many what if's.

Shaq Lebron and Duncan all played for great teams too.

[ImKobe]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif
http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/kobejaw.gif

[Nevaeh]

Some of the stats are skewed by the fact Durant gets to the line more than Kobe, so Kobe takes more shots to score the same. Still though, it's a credit to Durant's ability to score no matter what. Free throws are a form of scoring too :applause:

Bu bu bu..........I thought that "TS!!!" % was a stat created to take that into consideration? Well, doesn't really matter anyway. Durant still whooped Kobe's ass in this category too.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

See how all of those Durant "Praise threads" can backfire on you, youngters?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/cheers.gif

[BlazerRed]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG

Dayum KD on Kobe's level with the whole prime of his career ahead of him :eek:

[ProfessorMurder]

the f*** are you talkin about

feb 2003 was 1st - 28th = 14 games



jan 2006 was 6th - 31st = 13 games
december 28th to january 31st he averaged 43.5ppg
december 20th to january 31st he averaged 42.2ppg
december 12th to january 31st he averaged 40.7ppg ( 22 game stretch )

it wasnt a few games idiot

:lol

So not only do Kobetards not know what a decade is, they also don't know when months start and end.

[secund2nun]

What's your point?

Kobe plays for the lakers not the bobcats. Your wasting your time typing all that, really saying a whole lot of nothing. Kobe puts up great stats in the regular season and the playoffs won 5 titles, and was lucky enough to be a laker. Nothing else matters and it is what it is. He's going down as a top 5 player.

Your thinking with to many what if's.

Shaq Lebron and Duncan all played for great teams too.

Kobe without a great cast= 3 seasons in his prime 0 playoff series victories, 2 7th seeds, and 1 missed playoffs. Enough said.

Also players like Shaq Lebron Duncan have dominated in the playoffs and finals like Kobe can only dream of. Kobe has never had a great nba finals in his 7 appearances and his overall level of play in the playoffs, regular season is clearly lower than actual all time greats.

[kennethgriffin]

Dayum KD on Kobe's level with the whole prime of his career ahead of him :eek:


kobe was on that skill level from 2003 - 2010 and in 2003 kobe was only 24 years old

so kd isnt exactly ahead of the pace... he did have a better first few years though

[Micku]

There's a difference between efficient, and Durant this month

This pretty much. There is efficient and then there is Durant this month. At least when averaging 30+ points anyway.

LeBron kind'a did something similar last year if you round the ppg up to 30, but it wasn't 30+. On the month of February 2013, he averaged 29.7 ppg, 64.1% FG and 72.7% TS.

I think the only person I can think of that could touch this level of efficiency while scoring 30+ points is Adrian Dantley. In December of 1984 he averaged 31 ppg on 17 FGA. 59.3% FG and 67.7% TS.

It's great and it's a pleasure to see Durant and LeBron play at high level. I think ppl are a bit spoiled with this level of play with these players.

[kennethgriffin]

So not only do Kobetards not know what a decade is, they also don't know when months start and end.


well the original stats were exactly what i said they were...


nowhere did i say "month" or "30-31 days.. it says the name of different months hes averaged 40+ ( meaning the 1st game of the month to the last game of the month )

then replied to a guy suggesting that there was only 7-8 games in those months. to which i replied by proving that infact there was 13-14 games.. and kobes 40+ average extended up to 20+ games and over a month and a half






















:rolleyes:

[tpols]

Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.
.
Tim Duncan- 20/11 to 20/12

Lebron James- 28/7/7 to 28/8/7

Kobe Bryant- 26/5/5 to 26/5/5


They all have very similar regular season and playoff stats.. Lebron's FG actually decreases by twice as much regular season to playoffs as Kobe does. :oldlol:

But somehow they goin beastmode in the playoffs... smh. Funny thing is Lebron's FG goes from 58% regular season to 49% first three rounds to 43% in the Finals.. he does the opposite of what youre saying

[kennethgriffin]

This pretty much. There is efficient and then there is Durant this month. At least when averaging 30+ points anyway.

LeBron kind'a did something similar last year if you round the ppg up to 30, but it wasn't 30+. On the month of February 2013, he averaged 29.7 ppg, 64.1% FG and 72.7% TS.

I think the only person I can think of that could touch this level of efficiency while scoring 30+ points is Adrian Dantley. In December of 1984 he averaged 31 ppg on 17 FGA. 59.3% FG and 67.7% TS.

It's great and it's a pleasure to see Durant and LeBron play at high level. I think ppl are a bit spoiled with this level of play with these players.


durants TS% is 5-6 points above kobes..

well say instead of averaging 36ppg durant averages 42-43ppg... whos to say durants TS% doesnt drop to 61-62%


its insanely hard to sustain a 42+ppg average and shoot the same percentage you would averaging way less points

[oh the horror]

How many rings did Kobe win during the years the OP posted?

Thought so.

Oh I remember, Kobe was choking away back-to-back playoffs series against the Suns.

KD at least has his team in first place. And post real FG% so we can compare it to Durant.




So you and some trolls asked for stats. You were attempting to talk shit because you figured Kobe's stretch was on poor percentages.


They were not. Great percentages as well.


The point of the thread is ESPN fully fabricates and exaggerates anything and everything to prop up particular stars whenever as a new flavor of the year.



So when proven wrong you're now going to this argument? Lol.



Some of you fools here need to stop and just admit when you're wrong instead of jumping around into random other shit that has nothing to do with anything In the conversation.

[christian1923]

Kobe without a great cast= 3 seasons in his prime 0 playoff series victories, 2 7th seeds, and 1 missed playoffs. Enough said.

Also players like Shaq Lebron Duncan have dominated in the playoffs and finals like Kobe can only dream of. Kobe has never had a great nba finals in his 7 appearances and his overall level of play in the playoffs, regular season is clearly lower than actual all time greats.
what was he suppose to do in the west with guys like smush, odom, mihm, and Sasha. And that Asian kid lol

Idk the stats off the top of my head but I know kobe beasted in the 01, 02, 09 and the 10 finals. Maybe he shooting percentages weren't great but he got the W's. What matters most in the end.

[wally_world]

The numbers and efficiency is one thing. Winning is another. KD is doing all this while winning, which is what makes this run so impressive.

[BlazerRed]

kobe was on that skill level from 2003 - 2010 and in 2003 kobe was only 24 years old

so kd isnt exactly ahead of the pace... he did have a better first few years though

I'm not saying he's ahead of pace as a player, I love Kobe, but just goes to show how good KD is/can be.

[moe94]

But somehow they goin beastmode in the playoffs... smh. Funny thing is Lebron's FG goes from 58% regular season to 49% first three rounds to 43% in the Finals.. he does the opposite of what youre saying

Which is still higher than Kobe in all respects. :confusedshrug:

[Quizno]

So what? Bran led scrubs in cleveland with the shittiest coach of all time, Mike Brown... ALL THE WAY TO THE FINALS. What's Kobe's excuse? Couldn't get it done w/o a dominant big man?
lebron's 2007 cavs beat a total of 1 team in the playoffs that was over .500 :roll: :roll:

getting through those legendary 41-41 wizards and 41-41 nets is godly :bowdown:

you can't even sniff the playoffs with a .500 record in the west. let alone get to the second round :no:

[kennethgriffin]

The numbers and efficiency is one thing. Winning is another. KD is doing all this while winning, which is what makes this run so impressive.



lakers were 31-17 during those 4 months

and 3 out of those 4 teams had kwame and smush in the starting lineup

put prime kobe on the thunder and he'd win more games aswell

[J Shuttlesworth]

lebron's 2007 cavs beat a total of 1 team in the playoffs that was over .500 :roll: :roll:

getting through those legendary 41-41 wizards and 41-41 nets is godly :bowdown:

you can't even sniff the playoffs with a .500 record in the west. let alone get to the second round :no:
Yeah why couldn't he do something Kobe-esque and miss the playoffs completely instead? Getting to the finals against shitty teams is worse than missing the playoffs, right? right?

[Micku]

durants TS% is 5-6 points above kobes..

well say instead of averaging 36ppg durant averages 42-43ppg... whos to say durants TS% doesnt drop to 61-62%


its insanely hard to sustain a 42+ppg average and shoot the same percentage you would averaging way less points





Well, I didn't really mention anything about Kobe in my post. I was just commenting on how unreal Durant efficiency is.

Kobe meanwhile scored 40+ ppg a month. I think the only other person to do that was Wilt, and the other person who came close was Jordan with 39. But Kobe averaged 40 ppg a month multiple times, which makes it all the more impressive him as a scorer. And he was efficient when he did it considering the volume.

But as people mentioned, it was difference between efficient and what Durant is doing this month. I do think Durant is the best scorer since Kobe, with less volume and more efficiency.

[Ancient Legend]

So you and some trolls asked for stats. You were attempting to talk shit because you figured Kobe's stretch was on poor percentages.




**** off FFS, didn't the OP diminish KD's numbers by posting incorrect stats (35 ppg for KD in Jan instead of 37 ppg and no FG%).

ESPN isn't exaggerating shit, none in recent years has scored these many points while being this efficient, not KOBE at least.

[Quizno]

Yeah why couldn't he do something Kobe-esque and miss the playoffs completely instead? Getting to the finals against shitty teams is worse than missing the playoffs, right? right?
the point






your head

[tpols]

Which is still higher than Kobe in all respects. :confusedshrug:
I was responding to a poster who said Kobe does all his damage in the regular season and doesnt save beastmode for playoffs...

Then he proceeds to list a couple players whose stats dont change anymore than Kobe's do from regular season to playoffs.

What youre saying has nothing to do with the original argument or rebuttal.

[wally_world]

lakers were 31-17 during those 4 months

and 3 out of those 4 teams had kwame and smush in the starting lineup

put prime kobe on the thunder and he'd win more games aswell

Look at the OKC roster without Westbrook. It's comparable to the Lakers. Ibaka is our 2nd best player, and a prime Odom is close, if not better. Reggie Jackson is the only other decent player on this roster. Let's not try to act like Perk is Robert Parish or something.

[Joyner82reload]

Remember it was this time last year Lebron had 6 plus games straight of 30+ points on 60% shooting streak and ESPN and analysts were saying they never seen anything like it.. carry on

Ya...about that. LeBron had 6 games of 30.8/6.7/6.5 on 80 TS%

Durant's last 6 40.1/6.9/6.6 78 TS%
And Durant beat the #1, 2, 4, and 5 seeds in the West and #3 seed in the East

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe without a great cast= 3 seasons in his prime 0 playoff series victories, 2 7th seeds, and 1 missed playoffs. Enough said.

Also players like Shaq Lebron Duncan have dominated in the playoffs and finals like Kobe can only dream of. Kobe has never had a great nba finals in his 7 appearances and his overall level of play in the playoffs, regular season is clearly lower than actual all time greats.
Kobe 5, Lebron 2*

*Had to team up with two allstars to win

Deal with it

[DonDadda59]

Bean stans and Durant stans are now... enemies? :confusedshrug:

Thought you guys were the United Anti-Lebron League (UALL). My how one ESPN nut riding segment changes things. Sad.

[JohnFreeman]

Durant isn't even that good...sorry

[Dave3]

Bean stans and Durant stans are now... enemies? :confusedshrug:

Thought you guys were the United Anti-Lebron League (UALL). My how one ESPN nut riding segment changes things. Sad.
Meanwhile basketball fans enjoy all 3...

These kids and their man crushes only hurt themselves, limiting who they can enjoy to one guy while vehemently hating on anyone who's as good.

[Inferno]

Meanwhile basketball fans enjoy all 3...

:applause:

[sportjames23]

Durant isn't even that good...sorry


C'mon, son. :biggums:

[The Iron Fist]

C'mon Kenneth, as a Kobe fan, you gotta give KD props. The man is on a different planet. Obviously not those Kobe numbers, but he has Kobe's blessing. Love the kid.

http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/16415323_SA.jpgI'm more than certain its not about KD, moreso about ESPN blatantly making up arbitrary numbers to prop someone up. They did it the other night, "lebron is the only person in history to avg 27.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 6.9 apg.". Really? its just ridiculous how they come up with this stuff to try and make a story. They know they have a high teen viewership who will just believe it though.

[The Iron Fist]

Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Kobe could have put up those exact same 'godly' numbers for the Charlotte Bobcats and never been part of a single championship title team. How much would your respect him then? Your perception of him has more to do with the franchise he was lucky enough to play for rather than anything his numbers tell you. If he'd gotten them playing for an organization that was never able to build COMPLETE championship teams, you'd call Kobe's stats empty. Instead you called them godly. Due mostly to sheer luck.

Great teams win championships, but people love to hero-worship, so they pick the guy with the best stats and claim it was his stats that earned "the ring." Meanwhile anyone with the same stats but lesser teammates is "empty."

I don't care if you wanna say Kobe's a good player. Of course he is. But most people want to START with the premise Kobe is some sort of legendary giant, because thats what they WANT to believe, then they come up with inconsistent logic as to why it's so.
http://www.hiphopsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kobe_trophies_web.jpg

Looks pretty legendary to me. Can you name 10 other players with as many accolades?

[The Iron Fist]

Did Kobe actually average 40 points a game in a whole month? It seems unfair to compare a month from Durant to an 8 game stretch for Kobe. What were Kobe's month long averages?:facepalm
If you have to ask, then its pretty clear that you're new to basketball.

[The Iron Fist]

So what? Bran led scrubs in cleveland with the shittiest coach of all time, Mike Brown... ALL THE WAY TO THE FINALS. What's Kobe's excuse? Couldn't get it done w/o a dominant big man?
Did Kobes teams get to play .500 teams in the first and second rounds?

[The Iron Fist]

These same pea-brains who compare players based on "rings" or playoff success don't go back and look at each player's circumstance through every year of his career.

If you give Kobe credit for 'five rings' then you're giving him credit for rings he won while playing alongside the most DOMINANT PRIME EVER (shaq). So he gets credit for that but he doesn't get blame for failing to reach the top 8 seeds in his own CONFERENCE during the prime of his career?

So inconsistent and foolish. But whatever. People believe what they want to believe. :confusedshrug:
Interesting way to end your statement.

[Im Still Ballin]

http://www.hiphopsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kobe_trophies_web.jpg

Looks pretty legendary to me. Can you name 10 other players with as many accolades?

3 championships disqualified for being beta to shaqs alpha
1 mvp disqualified for unrightfully going to kobe when cp3 deserved it.
1 fmvp disqualified for 6-24 and pau gasol dominance

2 rings and 1 fmvp looks cool i guess, but i can name 10 other players with as many accolades as those probably

#RT

[The Iron Fist]

3 championships disqualified for being beta to shaqs alpha
1 mvp disqualified for unrightfully going to kobe when cp3 deserved it.
1 fmvp disqualified for 6-24 and pau gasol dominance

2 rings and 1 fmvp looks cool i guess, but i can name 10 other players with as many accolades as those probably

#RT
When I look up "5 time NBA Champion", I don't see Shaq ahead of Kobe. In fact, I see Kobe ahead of Shaq with titles and number of finals. Oh, and Kobe was never swept in the finals either.

[knicksman]

do you think durant couldnt get to 41 ppg if he wanted to?Its just that hes trying to win every game so he has to play within the flow of the offense

[Im Still Ballin]

When I look up "5 time NBA Champion", I don't see Shaq ahead of Kobe. In fact, I see Kobe ahead of Shaq with titles and number of finals. Oh, and Kobe was never swept in the finals either.

No he hasn't been swept, but he did lose against the pistons with probably the single most stacked team in league history in 5 games while playing horribly.

IMO Kobe's choke in 2004 finals is sooo much worse than Lebrons in 2011

[oh the horror]

3 championships disqualified for being beta to shaqs alpha
1 mvp disqualified for unrightfully going to kobe when cp3 deserved it.
1 fmvp disqualified for 6-24 and pau gasol dominance

2 rings and 1 fmvp looks cool i guess, but i can name 10 other players with as many accolades as those probably

#RT



That's nice and all but real life doesn't work that way. We don't just dismiss the things we wish weren't true.


Good luck though.

[Nevaeh]

That's nice and all but real life doesn't work that way. We don't just dismiss the things we wish weren't true.


Good luck though.

Yeah, kinda like KenGrif did in the OP when he created this thread. But of course, you weren't around for that part though, were you....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[catquickspider]

Look at the OKC roster without Westbrook. It's comparable to the Lakers. Ibaka is our 2nd best player, and a prime Odom is close, if not better. Reggie Jackson is the only other decent player on this roster. Let's not try to act like Perk is Robert Parish or something.

:lol one of the most ignorant posts I have read in the last 10 years :facepalm

Who's saying Perk is Robert Parish? All he has to be is be better than Smush, Walton, Kwame, or any of the other Laker scrubs.

[blacknapalm]

lol @ how this thread has devolved.

it's funny how kobe stans will support durant as long as it brings down lebron's accolades in a way. then when they feel durant threatens kobe in any fashion, they'll post wikipedia/nba stats and scream "ringz bitch!" :oldlol:

now moving on and actually looking at the situation...i think kobe in some months was still one of the most dominant scorers ever, regardless of era. that said, durant is still doing this at an amazing clip/FG%. you can't even say his FG% is inflated by not taking 3's since he's taking 3+ a game at a high clip. btw, he's not done. do we ignore the streak if he scores, say, 27 next game?

in the last month (16 games) without westbrook since xmas:

53.2 FG% on 22.2 attempts
88 FT% on 11.4 attempts
36.2 PPG
7.6 REB
5.9 AST
2.5 3PTM
1.4 ST
0.8 BLK

so a few less points at a much higher efficiency with more boards and assists.

you guys can continue to compare d*ck sizes and be stans but he's on one of the all-time great historic runs, not just scoring wise. he's easily putting up 30-5-5. i mean, easily. leading the league in win shares and has the scoring championship on lock.

i still think lebron is the better player when playing at their peaks but durant continues to close the gap and he's the clear cut MVP this season. OKC has the best record in the west. barring an epic collapse, it's his MVP to lose.

PS: espn is a bunch of hyperbolic, blowhard, soundbyte material talking heads. who cares and why make a controversy out of it? they say that stuff to get us talking like their moronic programs. yet, you continue doing it. some of you guys here are smarter than that.

[JohnFreeman]

C'mon, son. :biggums:
Every superstar has had these stretches, and most of them did it with less. Sure Durant is playing impressively, but every super star has done this. Champion > regular season warrior

[blacknapalm]

Every superstar has had these stretches, and most of them did it with less. Sure Durant is playing impressively, but every super star has done this. Champion > regular season warrior

jesus christ, isn't this narrative dead yet? gonna break some news....NBA championships are a team award. sure, some superstars carry their teams more than others, but plenty of superstars have got robbed out of a potential title because of their supporting cast. did dirk have a great PO when he won it all? sure. but could he have done it without chandler's D or terry hitting big shots? very doubtful. then we'd still be having lame threads about dirk not winning it all. it's not black & white, there's plenty shades of grey.

honestly, can't even feel good about OKC's chances with westbrook's late game decisions and brooks in the hot chair. i'd probably still favor heat or pacers and slightly the spurs.

[JohnFreeman]

jesus christ, isn't this narrative dead yet? gonna break some news....NBA championships are a team award. sure, some superstars carry their teams more than others, but plenty of superstars have got robbed out of a potential title because of their supporting cast. did dirk have a great PO when he won it all? sure. but could he have done it without chandler or terry hitting big shots? very doubtful. then we'd still be having lame threads about dirk not winning it all. it's not black & white, there's plenty shades of grey.

honestly, can't even feel good about OKC's chances with westbrook's late game decisions and brooks in the hot chair. i'd probably still favor heat or pacers and slightly the spurs.
I understand that championships are team awards. Kobe and LeBron seem to get grilled at how they didn't carry their team further, but when it comes to precious Durant coming up short it's suddenly "a team game".

[blacknapalm]

I understand that championships are team awards. Kobe and LeBron seem to get grilled at how they didn't carry their team further, but when it comes to precious Durant coming up short it's suddenly "a team game".

brooks and perk don't help matters. i'll just say this....once durant wins MVP, a championship will be the last monkey off his back. i can't say he'll do it, but he should be on pace to. it's always been a 'team game' in my eyes, just some more than others.

again, the most amusing part of this to me is that kobe stans were backing durant when it looked like he might dethrone lebron of an MVP. then when durant got hot and started going on a scoring spree, they started bringing up kobe again and going against durant. shit's great :lol

[JohnFreeman]

brooks and perk don't help matters. i'll just say this....once durant wins MVP, a championship will be the last monkey off his back. i can't say he'll do it, but he should be on pace to. it's always been a 'team game' in my eyes, just some more than others.
Pretty much every superstar has to deal with a bad team. I don't care what anyone says, that OKC team is still good without Russ.

[comerb]

I understand that championships are team awards. Kobe and LeBron seem to get grilled at how they didn't carry their team further, but when it comes to precious Durant coming up short it's suddenly "a team game".

Durant is 25. The pressure will start building for a ring, especially once he wins a MVP.

[knicksman]

durant is attempting like 2008-2010 kobe yet is producing 2006 kobe nos. Thats how great he is.

[Angel Face]

KD playing like Mike. :bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Who even watches ESPN or checks their website though? :confusedshrug:
:rolleyes:

[IMObjective]

3 championships disqualified for being beta to shaqs alpha
1 mvp disqualified for unrightfully going to kobe when cp3 deserved it.
1 fmvp disqualified for 6-24 and pau gasol dominance

2 rings and 1 fmvp looks cool i guess, but i can name 10 other players with as many accolades as those probably

#RT
:facepalm ****ing Jan '14

[IMObjective]

Westbrook needs to come back so kd's numbers drop back to earth :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

:facepalm ****ing Jan '14

comin from a janster 14 himself

you know im talking the truth #RealTalk

[r0drig0lac]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif
kobe :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SexSymbol]

ISH: Where we compare efficiency of a 6'10 SF and a 6'6 SG who lives in the midrange

[TheGreatRaptor]

kobe :bowdown: :bowdown:
Overrated.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan, 1989, first 40 games (three full months): 35.1 pts/8.1 reb/6.8 ast/3.3 stl/.8 blk/55.2% FG/62.1% TS

1990, one month span (16 games): 38.1 pts/7.7 reb/5.8 ast/3.6 stl/1.0 blk/56.2% FG/58.8% eFG/64.4% TS

[TheGreatRaptor]

Jordan, 1989, first 40 games (three full months): 35.1 pts/8.1 reb/6.8 ast/3.3 stl/.8 blk/55.2% FG/62.1% TS

1990, one month span (16 games): 38.1 pts/7.7 reb/5.8 ast/3.6 stl/1.0 blk/56.2% FG/58.8% eFG/64.4% TS
Weak fg%. Weak attempt to steal the thunder.:facepalm

[2swift4u]

KD has been playing great recently, however personally I find it hard to admire a 6'11" small forward with a wingspan bigger than most nba centers. It can't be that hard to score if you have that kind of body and you can shoot the ball...

[OldSchoolBBall]

Weak fg%. Weak attempt to steal the thunder.:facepalm

How is 55% or 58% a "weak FG%"? :oldlol:

[TheGreatRaptor]

How is 55% or 58% a "weak FG%"? :oldlol:
Compare it to Lebrons current FG. Take into consideration that this board is also claiming Lebron is "coasting" this season.:rolleyes:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Compare it to Lebrons current FG. Take into consideration that this board is also claiming Lebron is "coasting" this season.:rolleyes:

Take into account that A) Lebron is averaging like 10-12 points less than the numbers I posted, which is an enormous difference; B) He has a literally perfect team around him to give him all the spacing he needs to get high percentage looks (unlike MJ in '89 or '90) as well as friendly rules and no true big men inside to take away layups; and C) Lebron has been derided for protecting his FG% on numerous occasions by passing up shots. And D) Lebron is at 57.9% FG, and I posted a 16 games stretch at 58.1% FG (on +12 ppg, mind you).

[Angel Face]

Compare it to Lebrons current FG. Take into consideration that this board is also claiming Lebron is "coasting" this season.:rolleyes:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bMP9ag2POUg/UnYfMnubp6I/AAAAAAAAOkc/XKrdYIJsnmo/s1600/just-got-real.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

bbbbut Kobe shoots poorly.

Dude I'm sure even you said that a while back :wtf: :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe Bryant 40+ PPG Months:

2003 February: 47.2% FG
2006 January: 47% FG
2006 April (last 8 rs games): 50.9% FG
2007 March: 45.9% FG

Doesn't look to good efficiency wise

Anyway, ever hear an analyst measure efficiency with TS like the Kobetards on here do? :oldlol:

Kevin Durant:
2014 January: 36.9 PPG 54% FG :bowdown:

*Oh, and while doing this he has dished out 6.1 APG as well! Kobe's highest is 4.5 in 2007 March

>>> Any Kobe high scoring month before.

The scoring accuracy is just :applause:

[SexSymbol]

Kobe Bryant 40+ PPG Months:

2003 February: 47.2% FG
2006 January: 47% FG
2006 April (last 8 rs games): 50.9% FG
2007 March: 45.9% FG

Doesn't look to good efficiency wise

Anyway, ever hear an analyst measure efficiency with TS like the Kobetards on here do? :oldlol:

Kevin Durant:
2014 January: 36.9 PPG 54% FG :bowdown:

*Oh, and while doing this he has dished out 6.1 APG as well! Kobe's highest is 4.5 in 2007 March

>>> Any Kobe high scoring month before.

The scoring accuracy is just :applause:

Doesn't look too good? what the **** are you talking about. Do you understand that the whole league was way more defensive minded back then, hence the lower FG% average for the league?
And are you really saying that FG% is better than TS%? lol... god damn man, i'm not the one to categorize players and put labels on them, but those ****in lebron stans are delusional little ****ers

[D-Rose]

Can't forget the 4 games of 50+ :pimp:

[Dave3]

Doesn't look too good? what the **** are you talking about. Do you understand that the whole league was way more defensive minded back then, hence the lower FG% average for the league?
And are you really saying that FG% is better than TS%? lol... god damn man, i'm not the one to categorize players and put labels on them, but those ****in lebron stans are delusional little ****ers
I don't know what you mean by "back then" but if you mean any of those other than 2003 (1 out of the 4) then you weren't around for "back then" when the league changed the rules then started enforcing them in 2006, leading to 10 different top stars (Iverson, Pierce, Nowitzki, Kobe, etc.) all to record their career highs in that single year.

[Akrazotile]

Tim Duncan- 20/11 to 20/12

Lebron James- 28/7/7 to 28/8/7

Kobe Bryant- 26/5/5 to 26/5/5


They all have very similar regular season and playoff stats.. Lebron's FG actually decreases by twice as much regular season to playoffs as Kobe does. :oldlol:

But somehow they goin beastmode in the playoffs... smh. Funny thing is Lebron's FG goes from 58% regular season to 49% first three rounds to 43% in the Finals.. he does the opposite of what youre saying


Thats why I said the volume scoring players "look a lot less dominant" than Shaq, Duncan, Lebron. I'm not saying those three's stats continue to climb. I'm saying they continue to dominate the overall game consistently as players through the playoffs. Guys like Kobe have to press harder to keep their numbers up and often it comes at the expense of the team or nearly at it, depending how good the cast around him is. Also, Kobe's high scoring outbursts in the playoffs, when they did come, were usually against the Suns and Jazz who were two of the weakest defensive teams to make regular playoff appearances in the last decade.

You dont need to see stats like 6-24 to know Kobe is more of a show-pony in the playoffs than a true workhorse like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron. You just have to watch and be objective. Kobe doesnt even play defense. He never did. Thats a myth like sanny clause.

You remember last year's 60+ win Nuggets team with no superstar? Add prime Shaq and they win the title. You dont need a flashy wing volume scorer. Kobe needed those shaq teams for his legacy WAYYYY more than they needed him. Period.

[r0drig0lac]

How is 55% or 58% a "weak FG%"? :oldlol:
with hand and check refs and without refs whistling soft like today, current stars could not do 50%

[ArbitraryWater]

Doesn't look too good? what the **** are you talking about. Do you understand that the whole league was way more defensive minded back then, hence the lower FG% average for the league?
And are you really saying that FG% is better than TS%? lol... god damn man, i'm not the one to categorize players and put labels on them, but those ****in lebron stans are delusional little ****ers

That's true, in 2003.

However, the league was at an all time low defensively in 2006&2007 :roll:

No need to get angry and come with the excuses :lol

In 2006 there were the most 20+ ppg players EVER. 28 Players.

BWAHAHAH TS% is a made up advanced metric dude. One guy put it together. Outside of Internet Boards, I rarely see it used. But hang on to your delusion of TS% > FG% :oldlol:

FG% simply takes into account all your shots. Can't go wrong.

You mad as fcuk! :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't know what you mean by "back then" but if you mean any of those other than 2003 (1 out of the 4) then you weren't around for "back then" when the league changed the rules then started enforcing them in 2006, leading to 10 different top stars (Iverson, Pierce, Nowitzki, Kobe, etc.) all to record their career highs in that single year.

He's just a stan :cheers: Not sure if it's worth trying.

[tmacattack33]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2w6e51u.gif


Use your brain man, if they said that they obviously wouldn't be talking about just points. They are using FG% too, as they should be, because chucking your way to 40 isn't impressive.

And none of those Kobe months is above 47% FG, except the one in April which is only half a month since the season ends in the middle of April.

Sorry, your boy Kobe has never done anything like this and ESPN is correct. And Durant is only 25. He might do this multiple times in his career, especially if he gets Westbrook off of his team.

[IMObjective]

Kobe doesnt even play defense. He never did. Thats a myth like sanny clause.


Too young for the Frobe years huh?

[tpols]

Thats why I said the volume scoring players "look a lot less dominant" than Shaq, Duncan, Lebron. I'm not saying those three's stats continue to climb. I'm saying they continue to dominate the overall game consistently as players through the playoffs. Guys like Kobe have to press harder to keep their numbers up and often it comes at the expense of the team or nearly at it, depending how good the cast around him is. Also, Kobe's high scoring outbursts in the playoffs, when they did come, were usually against the Suns and Jazz who were two of the weakest defensive teams to make regular playoff appearances in the last decade.

You dont need to see stats like 6-24 to know Kobe is more of a show-pony in the playoffs than a true workhorse like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron. You just have to watch and be objective. Kobe doesnt even play defense. He never did. Thats a myth like sanny clause.

You remember last year's 60+ win Nuggets team with no superstar? Add prime Shaq and they win the title. You dont need a flashy wing volume scorer. Kobe needed those shaq teams for his legacy WAYYYY more than they needed him. Period.
That just isnt true.. All of his teammates in the second threepeat played great in the POs from the regular season. Gasol was great.. 22/11. Better than his career averages. Metta.. Odom.. Ariza.. all their games stayed consistent or got better.

This is mostly fluff you're coming up with to justify your spite for Kobe's at time poor mentality and list of accolades he gathered in old age due to reputation based on earlier play.

Kobe's 08, 09, 01, 02, and 00 defense were all at elite levels for a guard.. You're using the past couple years to generalize 18 years worth of play. Kobe came up first as a defensive player.. and it didnt wear out until he started to lose his athleticisim.


And to the last bold.. Kobe put up near identical numbers and efficiency as Lebron in last years Finals.. while playing a superior defensive team in the Celtics and was averaging something like 31/6/6 on 58TS before that game 7.

I guess how you generalize a whole playoff run on one game you generalize Kobe's entire defensive prime based on a few seasons at the very end of his career..

[ArbitraryWater]

That just isnt true.. All of his teammates in the second threepeat played great in the POs from the regular season. Gasol was great.. 22/11. Better than his career averages. Metta.. Odom.. Ariza.. all their games stayed consistent or got better.

This is mostly fluff you're coming up with to justify your spite for Kobe's at time poor mentality and list of accolades he gathered in old age due to reputation based on earlier play.

Kobe's 08, 09, 01, 02, and 00 defense were all at elite levels for a guard.. You're using the past couple years to generalize 18 years worth of play. Kobe came up first as a defensive player.. and it didnt wear out until he started to lose his athleticisim.


And to the last bold.. Kobe put up near identical numbers and efficiency as Lebron in last years Finals.. while playing a superior defensive team in the Celtics and was averaging something like 31/6/6 on 58TS before that game 7.

I guess how you generalize a whole playoff run on one game you generalize Kobe's entire defensive prime based on a few seasons at the very end of his career..

True. Definately stepped it up in the 2009 playoffs.

Besides those 5 years though, his defense has been pretty meh.

[SexSymbol]

That's true, in 2003.

However, the league was at an all time low defensively in 2006&2007 :roll:

No need to get angry and come with the excuses :lol

In 2006 there were the most 20+ ppg players EVER. 28 Players.

BWAHAHAH TS% is a made up advanced metric dude. One guy put it together. Outside of Internet Boards, I rarely see it used. But hang on to your delusion of TS% > FG% :oldlol:

FG% simply takes into account all your shots. Can't go wrong.

You mad as fcuk! :oldlol:
FG doesn't seperate 3s from 2s lol, it is completely worthless of a stat, and VERY outdated.
Keep in mind that FG was back there when there weren't a 3pt line, so it is obviously flawed.
When one shot has more value than the other you can't just put them two together, it doesn't work like that

[Dresta]

kobes 6-5... durants 7 feet


a higher efficiency or rebounding percentage is expected
That doesn't mean he's not a better player dumbass. Height has a lot to do with how good a player is you know.

[catquickspider]

It will be interesting if Durant can do consecutive 50 point games.

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe's 08, 09, 01, 02, and 00 defense were all at elite levels for a guard.. You're using the past couple years to generalize 18 years worth of play. Kobe came up first as a defensive player.. and it didnt wear out until he started to lose his athleticisim.

This is of course the great fallacy of Kobe Bryant.

He now have 100,000+ possessions to look at and the truth is he was an average to below average defender. It is evident he was a good defender when motivated but how is that a positive? He was good when he elected to be but overall wasn't one.

Using RAPM (adjusted +/-)
In 00 he was a -.2 (points per 100 possessions)
in 01 he was a -.2
in 02 he was a -.7 (:wtf: )
in 08 he was +.7
in 09 he was +.2

So if you add up the years you listed as his best defensive years he was a slightly below average defender over the course of ~27,000 possessions.

FTR, he was -1.2 last year.
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

[HOoopCityJones]

LOL Kobe's Defense faulty , what the phuck do you call Lebron James?

Just because he blocks scrubs every now and then doesn't equate to elite defender.

Has he ever shut down an opposing Teams best player?

All I got is Tony Parker.

[tpols]

This is of course the great fallacy of Kobe Bryant.

He now have 100,000+ possessions to look at and the truth is he was an average to below average defender. It is evident he was a good defender when motivated but how is that a positive? He was good when he elected to be but overall wasn't one.

Using RAPM (adjusted +/-)
In 00 he was a -.2 (points per 100 possessions)
in 01 he was a -.2
in 02 he was a -.7 (:wtf: )
in 08 he was +.7
in 09 he was +.2

So if you add up the years you listed as his best defensive years he was a slightly below average defender over the course of ~27,000 possessions.

FTR, he was -1.2 last year.
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/
These are team defense stats..and they dont include playoffs right?

Either way kobe strength is man defense over anything..he isnt an anchor. I know these same stats say dirk wad a better defender than prime kidd in some years.. Gary payton also has lower numbers.

I trust the opinions of those who watch/analyze/breathe ball over a standardized stat that doesnt account for all the moving piece.. So much noise in on,off stats.

[Quickening]

We are all WHITnesses

:lol :oldlol:

[PJR]

LOL Kobe's Defense faulty , what the phuck do you call Lebron James?

Just because he blocks scrubs every now and then doesn't equate to elite defender.

Has he ever shut down an opposing Teams best player?

All I got is Tony Parker.

There is more to NBA defense than on ball defense, dumbass.

It's called weak side recovery and team defense, which is easily the most important component to an overall defense. And LeBron is one of the best ever at it. Any professional basketball coach will attest to that.

[HOoopCityJones]

There is more to NBA defense than on ball defense, dumbass.

It's called weak side recovery and team defense, which is easily the most important component to an overall defense. And LeBron is one of the best ever at it. Any professional basketball coach will attest to that.

He's the best ever at Team Defense huh? :biggums:

do you fools even hear the crap you say for this clown?

[PJR]

Reading is fundamental.

[HOoopCityJones]

Reading is fundamental.

When you're not saying a damn thing, it's honestly not that hard to understand.

[Heavincent]

lol at idiots downplaying a dude that averaged 40 ****ing points in a month multiple times. If it's so easy, how come he's the last one to do it?

[The Iron Fist]

There is more to NBA defense than on ball defense, dumbass.

It's called weak side recovery and team defense, which is easily the most important component to an overall defense. And LeBron is one of the best ever at it. Any professional basketball coach will attest to that.


So when any professional basketball coach says lebron is one of the best ever at defense, its legit.

But when professional NBA coaches vote Kobe Bryant as one of the best defensive players at his position, its not legit.

:biggums:

[sd3035]

seems like the topic is defense now, here is a snippet from a recent article


Combing through the database at MySynergySports.com, a website which logs every play from every NBA game, Durant actually grades out as a better defender than LeBron in multiple categories. In isolation, the ultimate mano-a-mano NBA battleground, Durant has been the fifth-best defender in the league this season, forcing opponents into shooting a ghastly 22 percent from the field. James, on the other hand, ranks all the way down at 149, allowing almost a full point per possession in such situations. Perhaps more surprisingly, Durant has been better at defending post-ups than James, allowing 0.69 points per possession compared to 0.81 for James. Even with a significantly slighter stature, Durant has been able to stave off would-be scorers in the post

I think the numbers speak for themselves

[PJR]

So when any professional basketball coach says lebron is one of the best ever at defense, its legit.

But when professional NBA coaches vote Kobe Bryant as one of the best defensive players at his position, its not legit.

:biggums:

Reading is fundamental.

I never claimed Kobe wasn't a great defender in his heyday, dunce. At the peak of his abilities(when he actually tried), he was absolutely one of the leagues best ball pressure defenders.

[The Iron Fist]

Reading is fundamental.

I never claimed Kobe wasn't a great defender in his heyday, dunce. At the peak of his abilities(when he actually tried), he was absolutely one of the leagues best ball pressure defenders.
NBA coaches obviously thought he was an all team defender more than you did. I'll take their word over yours.

[PJR]

NBA coaches obviously thought he was an all team defender more than you did. I'll take their word over yours.

Be my guest,

[QUOTE] [B]

[Black and White]

Be my guest,



Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/482397/kobe-bryant-defense-slammed-by-lakers-coach-dantoni/#7MbRXHA0pTJVO2Ad.99

You use D'Antoni as a source to try downplay Kobe's defense??? Fail

[PJR]

You use D'Antoni as a source to try downplay Kobe's defense??? Fail

Ok, well let's see what Phil had to say in his book, "The Last Season"



“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

http://www.bareknucks.com/bashing-kobe-excerpts-from-%E2%80%9Cthe-last-season-a-team-in-search-of-its-soul%E2%80%9D-by-phil-jackson

[Solefade]

Ok, well let's see what Phil had to say in his book, "The Last Season"



http://www.bareknucks.com/bashing-kobe-excerpts-from-%E2%80%9Cthe-last-season-a-team-in-search-of-its-soul%E2%80%9D-by-phil-jackson

wow that's really interesting :eek:


kobe was toxic as hell in the locker room huh? even the zen master could barely handle him.

[ArbitraryWater]

FG doesn't seperate 3s from 2s lol, it is completely worthless of a stat, and VERY outdated.
Keep in mind that FG was back there when there weren't a 3pt line, so it is obviously flawed.
When one shot has more value than the other you can't just put them two together, it doesn't work like that

Outdated :facepalm IT'S NOT AN ADVANCED METRIC. It CANNOT be outdated :lol

BTW, you are making the perfect argument for eFG%... which I have no problem with.

[talkingconch]

Give it about two seasons.

ESPN stay bandwagoning. I remember when they used to be on Kobe's nuts hard. Then Colorado happened and they were ready to look for the next thing. In walks Lebron and it's been that way since.

Now, they gonna crown KD.

Well, you wanna crown, then crown his ass!

/Dennis Green
They were on kobe even after Colorado

Next.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Be my guest,



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2012-13 he was 34yearoldBe

-5>2

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:lol :roll: :oldlol: :facepalm
:biggums: :biggums: :no: :coleman: @ all the people hyping up Durant to unbelievable proportions. Nikka goes all out in every regular season game :lol
HE wont make the finals and if so LEBron gonna own his ass again:bowdown:

[PJR]

2012-13 he was 34yearoldBe

-5>2

From Phil's book, (published in 2004) when Kobe was 24 years old, and in the heart of his prime.


“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

And what exactly does 5 to 2 prove? That Kobe played on much better teams in the first half of his career than LeBron did? Ok. :confusedshrug:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

From Phil's book, (published in 2004) when Kobe was 24 years old, and in the heart of his prime.



And what exactly does 5 to 2 prove? That Kobe played on much better teams in the first half of his career than LeBron did? Ok. :confusedshrug:
u might as well argue with a stone wall. it would give u better answers for sure:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

From Phil's book, (published in 2004) when Kobe was 24 years old, and in the heart of his prime.



And what exactly does 5 to 2 prove? That Kobe played on much better teams in the first half of his career than LeBron did? Ok. :confusedshrug:
His defense declined after the 3peat. So what does this prove?

-5>2

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jan 2014
Did not read

-5>2

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Did not read

-5>2
dats why you are ignorant:applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jan 2014
Who are you?

-5>2

[PJR]

His defense declined after the 3peat. So what does this prove?



Since you agree that Kobe's defense declined after the Shaq/Kobe three peat (when he became infatuated with being "The Man" and a go to scorer), Do you agree that some of Kobe's all defensive teams were ill received due to reputation?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Since you agree that Kobe's defense declined after the Shaq/Kobe three peat (when he became infatuated with being "The Man" and a go to scorer), Do you agree that some of Kobe's all defensive teams were ill received due to reputation?
Yeah.

-5>2