Thank you mods and why people generalize ..

[IamRAMBO24]

Kudos to the mods for deleting Nick Young's chinese thread. In that thread, dude argued chinese people eat babies, kill infants through abortion, and construct sh*tty skyscapers so they'll fall and kill hundreds of people.

1. Saying chinese people eat babies when it is a fact it is frowned upon by most chinese people is like saying white people love shooting up schools. He is taking a small sample and generalizing an entire group of people.

2. He also went on pouting about how dispicable it is that they kill girls through abortion. This reeks of hyprocrisy; Americans kill both boys and girls because of the same economic neccessity. 1up for the chinese for only targetting 1 gender.

3. He said the chinese are evil because they build skyscapers that would fall and kill hundreds of people. :facepalm That was a blatant attempt to try whatever justification (however lame) to hate on a group of people. He's acting like chinese architectures are doing this deliberately when in fact they do not have the know how to build strong tall buildings like we do.

Generalization is such a lame kind of thinking; in fact, I would argue it is hands down the dumbest kind of thinking, and I am going to have to blame this on education again.

A. Benjamin Bloom wanted to create worker drones who are conformist. To do this he had to structure the way students think towards generalization.

B. All the outlines you do in class, grouping odds and even numbers in math, classification in biology, compare and contrast essays, heck, even the multiple choice questions are aimed to structure your mind to generalize.

C. As a result, many students stereotype and have a group mentality (y'know, clicks and gangs, popular jocks, and classifications of the geek, nerd, popular kids, etc.) because they have been conditioned to think that way.

Anyways guys, study Bloom and free your mind from this kind of bullsh*t way of thinking. There is a reason why you think the way you do and it has absolutely nothing to do with nature. It is all conditioned and done on purpose.

[YouGotServed]

Kudos to the mods for deleting Nick Young's chinese thread. In that thread, dude argued chinese people eat babies, kill infants through abortion, and construct sh*tty skyscapers so they'll fall and kill hundreds of people.

1. Saying chinese people eat babies when it is fact it is frowned upon by most chinese people is like saying white people love shooting up schools. He is taking a small sample and generalizing an entire group of people.

2. He also went on pouting about how dispicable it is that they kill girls through abortion. This reeks of hyprocrisy; Americans kill both boys and girls because of the same economic neccessity. 1up for the chinese.

3. He said the chinese are evil because they build skyscapers that would fall and kill hundreds of people. :facepalm That was a blatant attempt to try whatever justification (however lame) to hate on a group of people. He's acting like chinese architectures are doing this deliberately when in fact they do not have the know how to build strong tall buildings like we do.

Generalization is such a lame kind of thinking; in fact, I would argue it is hands down the dumbest kind of thinking, and I am going to have to blame this on education again.

A. Benjamin Bloom wanted to create worker drones who are conformist. To do this he had to structure the way students think towards generalization.

B. All the outlines you do in class, grouping odds and even numbers in math, classification in biology, compare and contrast essays, heck, even the multiple choice questions are aimed to structure your mind to generalize.

C. As a result, many students stereotype and have a group mentality (y'know, clicks and gangs, popular jocks, and classifications of the geek, nerd, popular kids, etc.) because they have been conditioned to think that way.

Anyways guys, study Bloom and free your mind from this kind of bullsh*t way of thinking. There is a reason why you think the way you do and it has absolutely nothing to do with nature. It is all conditioned and done on purpose.

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[IamRAMBO24]

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I know I tend to go off on a tangent but the point still stands: the mods should be applauded for not tolerating racism of any kind.

Thank you. *end thread

[Jameerthefear]

Kudos to the mods for deleting Nick Young's chinese thread. In that thread, dude argued chinese people eat babies, kill infants through abortion, and construct sh*tty skyscapers so they'll fall and kill hundreds of people.

1. Saying chinese people eat babies when it is a fact it is frowned upon by most chinese people is like saying white people love shooting up schools. He is taking a small sample and generalizing an entire group of people.

2. He also went on pouting about how dispicable it is that they kill girls through abortion. This reeks of hyprocrisy; Americans kill both boys and girls because of the same economic neccessity. 1up for the chinese for only targetting 1 gender.

3. He said the chinese are evil because they build skyscapers that would fall and kill hundreds of people. :facepalm That was a blatant attempt to try whatever justification (however lame) to hate on a group of people. He's acting like chinese architectures are doing this deliberately when in fact they do not have the know how to build strong tall buildings like we do.

Generalization is such a lame kind of thinking; in fact, I would argue it is hands down the dumbest kind of thinking, and I am going to have to blame this on education again.

A. Benjamin Bloom wanted to create worker drones who are conformist. To do this he had to structure the way students think towards generalization.

B. All the outlines you do in class, grouping odds and even numbers in math, classification in biology, compare and contrast essays, heck, even the multiple choice questions are aimed to structure your mind to generalize.

C. As a result, many students stereotype and have a group mentality (y'know, clicks and gangs, popular jocks, and classifications of the geek, nerd, popular kids, etc.) because they have been conditioned to think that way.

Anyways guys, study Bloom and free your mind from this kind of bullsh*t way of thinking. There is a reason why you think the way you do and it has absolutely nothing to do with nature. It is all conditioned and done on purpose.
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[niko]

The bolding makes your points annoying to read. If you are making a logical point there is no reason to bold, we will get it. It reads so disjointed. Rambo wrote a post. This is what he thinks. It's strange.

[IamRAMBO24]

The bolding makes your points annoying to read. If you are making a logical point there is no reason to bold, we will get it. It reads so disjointed. Rambo wrote a post. This is what he thinks. It's strange.

I bold because I know the idiots above who tldr OMGZ I SO COOL can't help but pinpoint on the main points when they skim over it since it clearly stands out.

[niko]

I bold because I know the idiots above who tldr OMGZ I SO COOL can't help but pinpoint on the main points when they skim over it since it clearly stands out.
It doesn't really. You just bold some random words. You'll write 500 words explaining something and bold the point, which just makes it read disjointed and doesn;t sound logical unless you read the whole thing.

Essentially for those reading it, it's disjointed. For those not reading it, why are you bothering?

[miller-time]

C. As a result, many students stereotype and have a group mentality (y'know, clicks and gangs, popular jocks, and classifications of the geek, nerd, popular kids, etc.) because they have been conditioned to think that way.

In group out group behavior occurred long before Bloom, in every society ever. It even happens in other species of animals.. Pattern recognition and generalizations allow for quick decision making. Animals that commit type 1 errors are more likely to survive than animals that commit type 2 errors. People aren't conditioned to group people (we are predisposed to it), they're taught NOT to group people. And this type of teaching has been increasing for a long time.

[TheGreatRaptor]

Sensitive *** ****. Cry moar.:lol

[LJJ]

You took something bruinlove said seriously? You made a huge mistake.

[blondie]

3. He said the chinese are evil because they build skyscapers that would fall and kill hundreds of people. :facepalm That was a blatant attempt to try whatever justification (however lame) to hate on a group of people. He's acting like chinese architectures are doing this deliberately when in fact they do not have the know how to build strong tall buildings like we do.


Good job completely misunderstanding my point.

The architects themselves are not evil and don't deliberately try to kill people.

The people to blame are the government officials who allow these buildings to be put up, and having no national building standards. It is carelessness to the highest degree. There are over a billion Chinese people and surely they can get QUALIFIED architects who know what their doing to build their cities SO THIS SHIT STOPS HAPPENING. Instead they continue to allow unregulated building plans to be built with low standards of safety on the building site so people die building it, and then die again when it collapses.

GET NATIONAL BUILDING REGULATIONS, that is my point.


I never said all Chinese eat babies or enjoy it. But the fact remains that it is part of Chinese medicinal culture, that is still followed in parts of the country by some chinese people, to eat little human fetuses. Other cultures in the world don't promote the eating of babies at the level it is promoted in China.



I wasnt talking about aborting girls. Im talking about what happened in the 1990s when families were allowed one child, and many families, if they had a girl baby, would either kill it, or send it out homeless on the street so they could try again and have a boy baby.

This is why there are 50,000,000 more boys then girls now in China. Do you dispute this?


I don't see racism anywhere. I am commenting on the Chinese culture and government. I am not saying Chinese people are genetically inferior. Just that Chinese culture in general seems to promote an almost inhuman lack of empathy in regards to human life. Is this not allowed?

[dr.hee]

Benjamin Bloom, which means you're all drones...quantum mechanics...science finally catching up with ideas I read on the Wikipedia info of some guy named Kant, therefore my premise still stands. That's the philosophical approach all of you brainwashed sheeple can't comprehend. So do your homework before you're talking about adult topics. Trust me, it'll be the most intellectual conversation of your life.

Here are 5 steps for your enlightenment

1) Remember the name Benjamin Bloom and use him in random topics

2) Watch the movie The Matrix and pretend it contains deep philosophical thoughts that were unknown to mankind before you discovered them more than a decade later

3) Quantum Physics > Laws of motion. Why? Well why not?

4) Declare yourself a seeker of truth and knowledge and use the best source of wisdom known to mankind...Wikipedia, to gather valuable information nobody ever used before

5) Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem!!!

You're welcome.

[chosen_one6]

There was a whole page of replies to this thread and OP had them reported and removed :oldlol:

[tomtucker]

There was a whole page of replies to this thread and OP had them reported and removed :oldlol:

and all of them told him to go fukk himself.........so why not just do that

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get of ISH Rambo

[Akrazotile]

Kudos to the mods for deleting Nick Young's chinese thread.

Wait, isn't dat you doe??

[Jailblazers7]

Jesus, did you really start this thread so you could bring up Benjamin Bloom again?

[RightToCensor]

Rambo would fit perfect on RealGM.

[tomtucker]

Rambo would fit perfect on RealGM.

yeah, ...........and why would someone named "i am rambo" ask questions like these ?

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[KevinNYC]

Benjamin Bloom, which means you're all drones...quantum mechanics...science finally catching up with ideas I read on the Wikipedia info of some guy named Kant, therefore my premise still stands. That's the philosophical approach all of you brainwashed sheeple can't comprehend. So do your homework before you're talking about adult topics. Trust me, it'll be the most intellectual conversation of your life.

Here are 5 steps for your enlightenment

1) Remember the name Benjamin Bloom and use him in random topics

2) Watch the movie The Matrix and pretend it contains deep philosophical thoughts that were unknown to mankind before you discovered them more than a decade later

3) Quantum Physics > Laws of motion. Why? Well why not?

4) Declare yourself a seeker of truth and knowledge and use the best source of wisdom known to mankind...Wikipedia, to gather valuable information nobody ever used before

5) Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem!!!

You're welcome.

My guess is Rambo grew up in college town, but didn't go to college.

[Clyde]

Benjamin Bloom, which means you're all drones...quantum mechanics...science finally catching up with ideas I read on the Wikipedia info of some guy named Kant, therefore my premise still stands. That's the philosophical approach all of you brainwashed sheeple can't comprehend. So do your homework before you're talking about adult topics. Trust me, it'll be the most intellectual conversation of your life.

Here are 5 steps for your enlightenment

1) Remember the name Benjamin Bloom and use him in random topics

2) Watch the movie The Matrix and pretend it contains deep philosophical thoughts that were unknown to mankind before you discovered them more than a decade later

3) Quantum Physics > Laws of motion. Why? Well why not?

4) Declare yourself a seeker of truth and knowledge and use the best source of wisdom known to mankind...Wikipedia, to gather valuable information nobody ever used before

5) Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem!!!

You're welcome.

Amazingly accurate!

[KevinNYC]

elitist
That may or may not be true, but you don't see me throwing names like Benjamin Bloom around.

I'm not against autodidacticsm, I'm against his raging insecurity and his above it all poses. He usually rages hardest against the things he desires the most, to be well liked and respected.

[DonDadda59]

There was a whole page of replies to this thread and OP had them reported and removed :oldlol:

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[IamRAMBO24]

That may or may not be true, but you don't see me throwing names like Benjamin Bloom around.

I'm not against autodidacticsm, I'm against his raging insecurity and his above it all poses. He usually rages hardest against the things he desires the most, to be well liked and respected.

So I despise Benjamin Bloom .. I firmly believe he is responsible for 99% of the stupidity permeating in society today. It is better than some Kobe stan bringing him up every chance they get; at least I'm speaking of new sh*t.

[IamRAMBO24]

My guess is Rambo grew up in college town, but didn't go to college.

I always get this, but what you retards don't realize is I know more about the educational system than you. In fact, none of you have even heard about Bloom before I came along, so doesn't it go to reason the person who knows the system the best also has the best chance of beating it?

Throughout highschool and college, I never focused on learning, I focused on memorization. Other students would struggle with the course because they were focusing too much of their energies on trying to comprehend what was thrown at them. I, on the other hand, focused on all the key topics and vocabularies, and it was all a matter of trying to remember them.

I passed with flying colors, graduated with honors, went on to college and all the cute girls were in awe with my "intelligence." I earned a bachelor and still to this day I can't recall one thing of significance I gained from my college. My true learning really came from the studies I did on my own and the job itself.

Don't assume my disdain and criticism of education comes from a lack of it, it is the proper understanding of it that has lead to it. Nobody can truly criticize something from an intellectual standpoint if they don't understand it.

Your assumption of me is completely wrong; you see, if I was just another tool like you are, then I wouldn't even begin to question the system.

[Trentknicks]

I always get this, but what you retards don't realize is I know more about the educational system than you. In fact, none of you have even heard about Bloom before I came along, so doesn't it go to reason the person who knows the system the best also has the best chance of beating it?

Throughout highschool and college, I never focused on learning, I focused on memorization. Other students would struggle with the course because they were focusing too much of their energies on trying to comprehend what was thrown at them. I, on the other hand, focused on all the key topics and vocabularies, and it was all a matter of trying to remember them.

I passed with flying colors, graduated with honors, went on to college and all the cute girls were in awe with my "intelligence." I earned a bachelor and still to this day I can't recall one thing of significance I gained from my college. My true learning really came from the studies I did on my own and the job itself.

Don't assume my disdain and criticism of education comes from a lack of it, it is the proper understanding of it that has lead to it. Nobody can truly criticize something from an intellectual standpoint if they don't understand it.

Your assumption of me is completely wrong; you see, if I was just another tool like you are, then I wouldn't even begin to question the system.
While I agree with most of what you said, try not to come across as an arrogant little **** who has clearly been editing their post profusely before posting. Also, calm down on the insults, just makes you come across as unstable.

[Al Thorton]

this kid is just a lost poser and a dick head

[IamRAMBO24]

While I agree with most of what you said, try not to come across as an arrogant little **** who has clearly been editing their post profusely before posting. Also, calm down on the insults, just makes you come across as unstable.

Trust me, I'm a pretty decent poster. As is, being a d*ck is the only thing I have left to hold on to because of all the immature kids in here.

These f*ckers get really mad when you challenge their beliefs. Real mad. Then they get super mad when you use reason and logic to prove your case. Then they get extra mad when you start insulting them; then all hell breaks loose when they finally realize you're right and they are wrong.

[IamRAMBO24]

this kid is just a lost poser and a dick head

See what I mean? I don't even know who this lil f*cker is and he's already calling me a d*ckhead? How else am I supposed to act around here? Geoffrey Butler from the fresh prince of bel aire? GTFO.

[nathanjizzle]

Generalization is such a lame kind of thinking; in fact, I would argue it is hands down the dumbest kind of thinking, and I am going to have to blame this on education again.


you're generalizing every student in the education system from nick youngs thread. :facepalm

the education system has no effect good or bad on the level of empathy a person has.

[IamRAMBO24]

In group out group behavior occurred long before Bloom, in every society ever. It even happens in other species of animals.. Pattern recognition and generalizations allow for quick decision making. Animals that commit type 1 errors are more likely to survive than animals that commit type 2 errors. People aren't conditioned to group people (we are predisposed to it), they're taught NOT to group people. And this type of teaching has been increasing for a long time.

1. Generalization is a lower level kind of thinking, hence why you see it in animals. It is a natural way of thinking, but true learning is supposed to deviate away from this line of thinking and encourage more precise calculations on concrete ideas.

2. Newton started with propositions that challenged those concrete ideas (best ideas of the time); Einstein falsified those ideas. They focused on the concrete and built upon them, they didn't generalize and induct their way to them. Huge difference. This ideology is actually John Stuart Mill's Science. You assume truth is in generalization, and you break your way down to the concrete. This is why they use statistics. Stats are only probabilities and are never precise calculations of the truth. You can't derive any truths from generalizations.

This is why stereotypes are considered "truths." Nick Young truly believes his generalizations are a form of truth when it really is not.

In the early years of education, they teach classification, outlines, grouping ideas, multiple chioce questions, etc. to condition the mind to think in generalization.

[IamRAMBO24]

you're generalizing every student in the education system from nick youngs thread. :facepalm

the education system has no effect good or bad on the level of empathy a person has.

No I'm not. I'm pointing out what Bloom is trying to do. He's trying to structure the mind to think in conformity, which I found appropiate to bring up since Nick Young and most racist people are a victim of it.

[GatorKid117]

Was wondering what happened to that thread. Was gonna post some of my thoughts about it but oh well.

[KevinNYC]

So I despise Benjamin Bloom .. I firmly believe he is responsible for 99% of the stupidity permeating in society today.

Here's a little challenge for you.

A. So why don't you point us to the source of the quote you keep posting from Bloom.
The purpose of education is not to teach, but to condition the behavior of the students.

B. Summarize Bloom's actual thinking for us.

C. Show us where in Bloom's work he advocates for worker drones.

[IamRAMBO24]

Here's a little challenge for you.

A. So why don't you point us to the source of the quote you keep posting from Bloom.
The purpose of education is not to teach, but to condition the behavior of the students.

B. Summarize Bloom's actual thinking for us.

C. Show us where in Bloom's work he advocates for worker drones.

1. Although I cannot quote him directly, it is in his mastery learning book where he outlines the use of Skinner's operant conditioning to manipulate the behaviors of anybody. Bloom is a behavioral psychologist. He is not an educator. It goes to reason if the educational system really wanted to develope the minds of youths, they wouldn't hire a behavioral psychologist whose expertise is in conditioning the behaviors.

Operant conditioning is evident in education:

A. It is reward based.

B. It is an authoritarian system; it doesn't allow creative thinking; either you accept what you are being taught or you don't. Teachers have the power to fail you if you don't repeat what you are being taught, and it is not their fault they can't venture beyond the textbook: they will be fired if they do.

2. He broke down his conditioning to 3 stages:

Cognitive

Affective

Psychomotor

In basic terminology, cognitive is the development of the mental stage. In this stage, he is conditioning the mind to think in association and generalization.

Affective is the emotional part. This is the part where he instructs teachers to emotionally play with the students to fully support the cognitive part. And I quote him, " This domain relates to emotions, attitudes, appreciations, and values, such as enjoying, conserving, respecting, and supporting."

So basically, this is the stage where the teachers will covertly f*ck with the students emotions to MAKE them fully accept the teaching.

The last is psychomotor. Blooms thinking is if you can condition the mind, play with the emotions, you can change the behavior. Psychomotor is basically the last stage and teachers are told to evaluate the behaviors to see if they have fully been conditioned to conformity.

It is a formula to mindf*ck the mind to change the behavior.

Cognitive + Affective = Psychomotor

Which also means

Thinking + Emotions = Behavior

If you can change the way a person thinks and not allow them to think on their own and mess with them emotionally to fully accept what they are told, you can change their behavior.

[IamRAMBO24]

And the behaviors he wants to condition:

1. Don't question and only follow an authoritative voice. This is the reason why your schools are structure like a prison. This is why cops are guest speakers at elementary schools. This is why you can't challenge the teachers and can only question what is in the textbooks.

2. Liberal ideas. This is covertly done through history. The values you have are pretty much based on the history you learn in school, and these values are a democratic platform to win your votes. Remember how you learn about women's rights to vote? MLK and the victimization of blacks; how the south is all evilz .. how Edison and Einstein are idiots and had to work hard to get to where they are at? .. etc. (there's a lot more examples). It is also not by coincidence they also happen to be the biggest supporters of education. Conservatives condition the population through religion; Democrats have education. Either way, you are being mindf*cked at birth to support one or the other.

3. Conformity

This is the why you memorize, classify things, dress in all alike, etc. They don't want you to think on your own; they want you to be a tool, and the true goal is, really, to create more thoughtless workers who would be willing to work minimum wage.

The evidence speaks for itself: the system produces more fast food workers than true professionals.

[miller-time]

The evidence speaks for itself: the system produces more fast food workers than true professionals.

Yeah because the system needs millions of architects and philosophers and no one in the fast food or janitorial industries. You always seem to forget practicality. It is not practical to have millions of children roaming the streets looking for apprenticeships. It is not practical or particularly useful to have millions of Kants and Berkeleys in society. It is practical to have workers doing menial jobs, it is important to have a systematized education system that teaches rudimentary and sometimes boring lessons. And geniuses do escape that system, how do we know? Because we have geniuses in society today. We have thousands of professionals that are coming up with creative solutions and multi-million dollar ideas all of the time. They aren't forced to stay in the system and by and large the system is incapable of containing them. Sure the system might keep some people down, but at the same time it brings a few up. People that never would have learnt to read or count by themselves.

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah because the system needs millions of architects and philosophers and no one in the fast food or janitorial industries. You always seem to forget practicality. It is not practical to have millions of children roaming the streets looking for apprenticeships. It is not practical or particularly useful to have millions of Kants and Berkeleys in society. It is practical to have workers doing menial jobs, it is important to have a systematized education system that teaches rudimentary and sometimes boring lessons. And geniuses do escape that system, how do we know? Because we have geniuses in society today. We have thousands of professionals that are coming up with creative solutions and multi-million dollar ideas all of the time. They aren't forced to stay in the system and by and large the system is incapable of containing them. Sure the system might keep some people down, but at the same time it brings a few up. People that never would have learnt to read or count by themselves.

Yea but the fail rate far outweighs the success rate, so it is practical to say the system is a failure.

No amount of money pouring into the system will change this; no amount of good teachers will change this; and no amount of grounding kids from playing videogames will change this.

You got to change the curriculum; surely there has to be a better way of teaching kids how to read and write.

[miller-time]

Yea but the fail rate far outweighs the success rate, so it is practical to say the system is a failure.

Fail rate of what specifically?

[IamRAMBO24]

Fail rate of what specifically?

The whole idea that literacy and writing is solely attrituable to modern education is a myth. Look at Thomas Paine's Common Sense, Mark Twain, and the bible were huge sellers back then. By comparison, taking the population at the time in consideration, Paine's book would of sold 60 million copies in a year compare to today's books. Sure we might have slaves who were illiterate, but we have a segment of the population in the lower class who suffer the same fate due to their economic disposition.

[Bandito]

Yea but the fail rate far outweighs the success rate, so it is practical to say the system is a failure.

No amount of money pouring into the system will change this; no amount of good teachers will change this; and no amount of grounding kids from playing videogames will change this.

You got to change the curriculum; surely there has to be a better way of teaching kids how to read and write.
You whine about shilly-shally but I don't see you finding a way to fix things. One of the reasons everything is the way it is, is because people that see the failure in things whine about it and don't care to fix it. So stop whining about it here and go fix it.

Who knows maybe you are right but in the end all you are doing is writing about and doing nothing.

[Nick Young]

3. He said the chinese are evil because they build skyscapers that would fall and kill hundreds of people. :facepalm That was a blatant attempt to try whatever justification (however lame) to hate on a group of people. He's acting like chinese architectures are doing this deliberately when in fact they do not have the know how to build strong tall buildings like we do.


Good job completely misunderstanding my point.

The architects themselves are not evil and don't deliberately try to kill people. Well, the architects are also partially to blame, they know full well they are underqualified and still put up the buildings at cut rate prices despite knowing it is going to be dangerous.

The people to blame are the government officials who allow these buildings to be put up, and having no national building standards. It is carelessness to the highest degree. There are over a billion Chinese people and surely they can get QUALIFIED architects who know what they're doing to build their cities SO THIS SHIT STOPS HAPPENING. Instead they continue to allow unregulated building plans to be built with low standards of safety on the building site so people die building it, and then die again when it collapses.

GET NATIONAL BUILDING REGULATIONS, that is my point. Its not racist to criticize city planners for hiring idiot architects that lead to the deaths of hundreds. Its not racist to point out hot foolish a government is to know this is happening on a wide scale, and continue to let the building industry go unregulated anyways.


I never said all Chinese eat babies or enjoy it. But the fact remains that it is part of Chinese medicinal culture, that is still followed in parts of the country by some chinese people, to eat little human fetuses. Other cultures in the world don't promote the eating of babies at the level it is promoted in China.



I wasnt talking about aborting girls. Im talking about what happened in the 1990s when families were allowed one child, and many families, if they had a girl baby, would either kill it, or send it out homeless on the street so they could try again and have a boy baby.

This is why there are 50,000,000 more boys then girls now in China. Do you dispute this?


I don't see racism anywhere. I am commenting on the Chinese culture and government. I am not saying Chinese people are genetically inferior. Just that Chinese culture in general seems to promote an almost inhuman lack of empathy in regards to human life. Is this not allowed? I dont see anything racist about what I said. Am I not allowed to state facts and opinions about other cultures and governments?

[niko]

Good job completely misunderstanding my point.

The architects themselves are not evil and don't deliberately try to kill people.

The people to blame are the government officials who allow these buildings to be put up, and having no national building standards. It is carelessness to the highest degree. There are over a billion Chinese people and surely they can get QUALIFIED architects who know what their doing to build their cities SO THIS SHIT STOPS HAPPENING. Instead they continue to allow unregulated building plans to be built with low standards of safety on the building site so people die building it, and then die again when it collapses.

GET NATIONAL BUILDING REGULATIONS, that is my point.


I never said all Chinese eat babies or enjoy it. But the fact remains that it is part of Chinese medicinal culture, that is still followed in parts of the country by some chinese people, to eat little human fetuses. Other cultures in the world don't promote the eating of babies at the level it is promoted in China.



I wasnt talking about aborting girls. Im talking about what happened in the 1990s when families were allowed one child, and many families, if they had a girl baby, would either kill it, or send it out homeless on the street so they could try again and have a boy baby.

This is why there are 50,000,000 more boys then girls now in China. Do you dispute this?


I don't see racism anywhere. I am commenting on the Chinese culture and government. I am not saying Chinese people are genetically inferior. Just that Chinese culture in general seems to promote an almost inhuman lack of empathy in regards to human life. Is this not allowed? I dont see anything racist about what I said. Am I not allowed to state facts and opinions about other cultures and governments?

You had an agenda to bash chinese people. Anything that people offered as a counterpoint you said basically "nope, that's not it, it's chinese people". It was pretty freaking transparent. It was what Millwad does sometimes with Israel, you just didn't have the meltdown moment he always does. You had an agenda to bash that would not be stopped. So the mods stopped it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Good job completely misunderstanding my point.

The architects themselves are not evil and don't deliberately try to kill people. Well, the architects are also partially to blame, they know full well they are underqualified and still put up the buildings at cut rate prices despite knowing it is going to be dangerous.

The people to blame are the government officials who allow these buildings to be put up, and having no national building standards. It is carelessness to the highest degree. There are over a billion Chinese people and surely they can get QUALIFIED architects who know what they're doing to build their cities SO THIS SHIT STOPS HAPPENING. Instead they continue to allow unregulated building plans to be built with low standards of safety on the building site so people die building it, and then die again when it collapses.

GET NATIONAL BUILDING REGULATIONS, that is my point.



I never said all Chinese eat babies or enjoy it. But the fact remains that it is part of Chinese medicinal culture, that is still followed in parts of the country by some chinese people, to eat little human fetuses. Other cultures in the world don't promote the eating of babies at the level it is promoted in China.



I wasnt talking about aborting girls. Im talking about what happened in the 1990s when families were allowed one child, and many families, if they had a girl baby, would either kill it, or send it out homeless on the street so they could try again and have a boy baby.

This is why there are 50,000,000 more boys then girls now in China. Do you dispute this?


I don't see racism anywhere. I am commenting on the Chinese culture and government. I am not saying Chinese people are genetically inferior. Just that Chinese culture in general seems to promote an almost inhuman lack of empathy in regards to human life. Is this not allowed? I dont see anything racist about what I said. Am I not allowed to state facts and opinions about other cultures and governments?

You said Chinese people homeboy; you didn't say Chinese Government. It wasn't a political conversation; I mean you said they eat babies, surely you didn't mean the chinese government mandates eating babies. You got called out for being a racist and is now backtracking.

[Nick Young]

You had an agenda to bash chinese people. Anything that people offered as a counterpoint you said basically "nope, that's not it, it's chinese people". It was pretty freaking transparent. It was what Millwad does sometimes with Israel, you just didn't have the meltdown moment he always does. You had an agenda to bash that would not be stopped. So the mods stopped it.
No I didn't. Not once. Maybe other posters said this. You are just attributing words to me that I never typed. All I did was ask questions. I never stated anything racist. You are now unfairly labeling me a racist just because it suits your agenda. You are generalizing me.



Taking the points I made for example, I think it is perfectly fair to question whether a culture that allows these things on such a wide scale lacks empathy compared to other cultures in the world that dont allow things like this to happen. If I made a similar thread about Canada or USA would you shout racist at me?

[Nick Young]

You said Chinese people homeboy; you didn't say Chinese Government. It wasn't a political conversation; I mean you said they eat babies, surely you didn't mean the chinese government mandates eating babies. You got called out for being a racist and is now backtracking.
Does the Chinese government stop people from eating baby fetuses? Does the Chinese government outlaw it?

Does the Chinese government have high building regulation standards to ensure their new sky scrapers stop collapsing?


Is the Chinese government responsible for Chinese families throwing their newborn girl babies out on to the streets in mass?

I am only asking questions here. Stop trying to insist I'm a racist with an agenda when all I'm doing is asking objective questions.

[IamRAMBO24]

You whine about shilly-shally but I don't see you finding a way to fix things. One of the reasons everything is the way it is, is because people that see the failure in things whine about it and don't care to fix it. So stop whining about it here and go fix it.

Who knows maybe you are right but in the end all you are doing is writing about and doing nothing.

Nope.

I can give two f*cks about society. It is delusional to change things. The structure is too powerful. I laugh at those who try.

My intentions are pure gold: I spread wisdom. With knowledge, you can rise above it; for example, I have revealed the system wants you to conform, so why not venture out on your own and get a real education? Why not dig into a million outside sources that provide better knowledge than the ones given to you for free?

Don't forget, "The greatest teachers are your worst enemies." - Sun Tzu

Dumb people fight against those who challenge their beliefs, smart people thank them.

[IamRAMBO24]

Does the Chinese government stop people from eating baby fetuses? Does the Chinese government outlaw it?

Does the Chinese government have high building regulation standards to ensure their new sky scrapers stop collapsing?


Is the Chinese government responsible for Chinese families throwing their newborn girl babies out on to the streets in mass?

I am only asking questions here. Stop trying to insist I'm a racist with an agenda when all I'm doing is asking objective questions.

In the original thread you said chinese people, now you are redefining your terms to mean government. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Don't try to straw your way to a different premise now; you were a racist pure and simple in the original thread.

[Nick Young]

You said Chinese people homeboy; you didn't say Chinese Government. It wasn't a political conversation; I mean you said they eat babies, surely you didn't mean the chinese government mandates eating babies. You got called out for being a racist and is now backtracking.
No I didn't. I said Chinese culture. There is a huge difference. The government is part of creating that culture. Stop attributing words to me that I didn't say just because it suits your agenda and helps you out to label me a racist when I didn't post anything at all that is racist.

[Nick Young]

In the original thread you said chinese people, now you are redefining your terms to mean government. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Don't try to straw your way to a different premise now; you were a racist pure and simple in the original thread.
In the original thread I asked

'Does the Chinese culture lack empathy compared to other cultures'

I am not backtracking, I am re-writing what I said because now a bunch of people like yourself are attributing words to me that I absolutely never typed.

I'm sorry that you misread what I said.

[KevinNYC]

Here's a little challenge for you.

A. So why don't you point us to the source of the quote you keep posting from Bloom.
The purpose of education is not to teach, but to condition the behavior of the students.

B. Summarize Bloom's actual thinking for us.

C. Show us where in Bloom's work he advocates for worker drones.

A. You couldn't find this because it doesn't exist.

B. You got this wrong.

C. Is your own opinions.

Also you know that his taxonomy has been revised and updated right?

[IamRAMBO24]

No I didn't. I said Chinese culture. There is a huge difference. The government is part of creating that culture. Stop attributing words to me that I didn't say just because it suits your agenda and helps you out to label me a racist when I didn't post anything at all that is racist.

Is the Chinese government bad? I agree. Are all Chinese people evil because they are under the control of their government? I disagree. I'm sure Jackie Chan does not eat babies.

[Nick Young]

Is the Chinese government bad? I agree. Are all Chinese people evil because they are under the control of their government? I disagree. I'm sure Jackie Chan does not eat babies.
Of course not all Chinese people are evil. I never stated that ALL Chinese are evil.

I simply asked if the Chinese culture lacked empathy compared to other cultures.

I know it helps you to make labels and generalizations about me, but there is no reason to make up words and attribute them to me in order to suit your agenda.

[IamRAMBO24]

A. You couldn't find this because it doesn't exist.

B. You got this wrong.

C. Is your own opinions.

Also you know that his taxonomy has been revised and updated right?

A. Bloom is a behavioral psychologist. The quote is in his book "Mastery Learning." Which I have read and you have not. Just because it does not exist on the internet does not mean it is not out there somewhere.

B. Explain to me how I got this wrong with your obvious deep knowledge of his taxonomy.

C. It is not my opinion. I am only revealing Bloom's intention. In fact, I even went into detail on how he did it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Of course not all Chinese people are evil. I never stated that ALL Chinese are evil.

I simply asked if the Chinese culture lacked empathy compared to other cultures.

I know it helps you to make labels and generalizations about me, but there is no reason to make up words and attribute them to me in order to suit your agenda.

Define culture.

[niko]

No I didn't. Not once. Maybe other posters said this. You are just attributing words to me that I never typed. All I did was ask questions. I never stated anything racist. You are now unfairly labeling me a racist just because it suits your agenda. You are generalizing me.



Taking the points I made for example, I think it is perfectly fair to question whether a culture that allows these things on such a wide scale lacks empathy compared to other cultures in the world that dont allow things like this to happen. If I made a similar thread about Canada or USA would you shout racist at me?
I didn't say you are racist. I said you had a point to bash chinese people. I don't know why. It's not the first time. We had the "why can't chinese people learn english properly" thread too. You argue very all or nothing always, i don't think it's racism, i just think you don't want to lose an argument. Since you are bringing that sort of obtuse reasoning to a discussion, you might want to avoid discussions which bash a group of people.

I don't think you are racist, i have no idea your reasoning behind the topic, but the way it was progressing, i see 100% why it was stopped.

[Nick Young]

Define culture.
Culture: the attitudes and behaviour characteristic of a particular social group.

The social group in question being the one currently living in the nation state known as the Peoples Republic of China.

[IamRAMBO24]

I didn't say you are racist. I said you had a point to bash chinese people. I don't know why. It's not the first time. We had the "why can't chinese people learn english properly" thread too. You argue very all or nothing always, i don't think it's racism, i just think you don't want to lose an argument. Since you are bringing that sort of obtuse reasoning to a discussion, you might want to avoid discussions which bash a group of people.

I don't think you are racist, i have no idea your reasoning behind the topic, but the way it was progressing, i see 100% why it was stopped.

Thanks again niko. Look at this beta racist being revealed and now backtracking .. you're a disgrace to all racist people.

[Nick Young]

I didn't say you are racist. I said you had a point to bash chinese people. I don't know why. It's not the first time. We had the "why can't chinese people learn english properly" thread too. You argue very all or nothing always, i don't think it's racism, i just think you don't want to lose an argument. Since you are bringing that sort of obtuse reasoning to a discussion, you might want to avoid discussions which bash a group of people.

I don't think you are racist, i have no idea your reasoning behind the topic, but the way it was progressing, i see 100% why it was stopped.
I simply ask questions to learn more about the topic and to find out other peoples viewpoints. That's why I often ask more questions even after something was explained. Oftentimes I ask questions even if they don't align with what I personally believe, in order to try to learn and see things from different perspectives, and to generate and learn from different counterarguments.

[IamRAMBO24]

Culture: the attitudes and behaviour characteristic of a particular social group.

The social group in question being the one currently living in the nation state known as the Peoples Republic of China.

Ok so basically you mean chinese people under the control of the government eats babies, kill girls, and loves setting up sh*tty buildings so they can kill hundreds of people.

You see the flaw in your argument? You are trying to connect the government's laws to the way chinese people truly are. If you truly know them, you will know that most chinese people don't eat babies and are in fact disgusted by it, they want to have children than one boy, in fact, some rich celebrities are willing to break the law (and have been jailed for it) to keep more than one. And of course, the whole building part is just stupid I wouldn't even place blame on the government for this one simply because they just don't have the technological advances to hold the buildings within the same standards. I'm sure if they do, they would. Who the f*ck wants to spend millions building a skyscraper and have it fall?

[Nick Young]

Ok so basically you mean chinese people under the control of the government eats babies, kill girls, and loves setting up sh*tty buildings so they can kill hundreds of people.

You see the flaw in your argument? You are trying to connect the government's laws to the way chinese people truly are. If you truly know them, you will know that most chinese people don't eat babies and are in fact disgusted by it, they want to have children than one boy, in fact, some rich celebrities are willing to break the law (and have been jailed for it) to keep more than one. And of course, the whole building part is just stupid I wouldn't even place blame on the government for this one simply because they just don't have the technological advances to hold the buildings within the same standards. I'm sure if they do, they would. Who the f*ck wants to spend millions building a skyscraper and have it fall?
I dont think they love setting up shitty buildings but they are certainly allowing it to happen over and over without making any attempt to regulate it. What message does that send to you?

To me it sends a message of the government, and engineers and architects responsible for the designs, who know they are incompetant but put up the buildings anyways, are simply careless in regards to the potential loss of human life.

It is wrong of you to claim that China doesnt have the 'technological advances' to put up safe buildings. The Chinese educational system, in general is great. The problem is the architects with qualifications are expensive, so the government is bringing in cheap but unqualified engineers and architects to put up their cities. The underqualified engineers and architects are also so cheap because they are using shoddy materials that dont hold up over time. The government is under no obligation to continuously contract these con artists, and yet they continue to do it time after time.

China is on par in terms of technology and education with much of the Western world, and their east asian neighboriung countries like Korea and Japan. To say that China is putting up shit buildings because no one in the country knows how to build safe ones is blatantly wrong. Even if there are no Chinese architects who know what theyre doing, there is no reason they cant outsource and bring in architects from other nations. If the government wanted these crappy buildings to stop going up, all they have to do is create a basic building code with higher standards, and regulate it.

[IamRAMBO24]

I dont think they love setting up shitty buildings but they are certainly allowing it to happen over and over without making any attempt to regulate it. What message does that send to you?

To me it sends a message of the government, and engineers and architects responsible for the designs, who know they are incompetant but put up the buildings anyways, are simply careless in regards to the potential loss of human life.

That's just a correlation. Even when you drink and drive, you don't tend to kill somebody, so it is more about incompetence and not any devious motive on their part.

[Nick Young]

That's just a correlation. Even when you drink and drive, you don't tend to kill somebody, so it is more about incompetence and not any devious motive on their part.
They are continually hiring incompetant people for such a serious job, despite knowing the dangers of doing so. The devious motive here is caring more about saving money then spending a little more money and creating buildings and cities safe for the people who are going to habitate them.

Not to mention all the pollution their cities are currently generating that now is forcing many chinese people to wear gas masks in order to breath outside properly. Why is that not being regulated? Their carelessness and incompetence to citizens safety suggests sinister motives.

[IamRAMBO24]

They are continually hiring incompetant people for such a serious job, despite knowing the dangers of doing so. The devious motive here is caring more about saving money then spending a little more money and creating buildings safe for the people who are going to habitate them.

By that logic, you can say fast food companies are devious because they put out products that kill people for profit (obesity is one of the leading killers in america). You can divert the logic in any way with such an open ended premise.

To be devious, you have to have direct intent.

[niko]

I simply ask questions to learn more about the topic and to find out other peoples viewpoints. That's why I often ask more questions even after something was explained. Oftentimes I ask questions even if they don't align with what I personally believe, in order to try to learn and see things from different perspectives, and to generate and learn from different counterarguments.
There is literally nothing that will make u deviate from your opinion though .

[Nick Young]

There is literally nothing that will make u deviate from your opinion though .
You don't even know what my opinion is. You are only drawing conclusions on what my opinion is based on questions I am asking. Im only asking questions. My opinions on things actually change a lot because I like researching things constantly, and I form my opinions based on research. Sometimes I phrase things in a certain way to draw out a certain type of response, in order to learn from it. But I change my mind on a lot of things. Just because I continue to ask questions about a topic doesn't mean I am being block headed about it and not taking anything in. I keep asking questions to learn more and hear more varied perspectives.

[LJJ]

China's construction is fine. Sure the housing they are making is not state of the art and not very high quality, but it's not as bad as some people want you to believe. It's functional and quite safe. It's not more unsafe than houses build here in the seventies. People still live in those.

Truth is, China is being quite responsible with their construction. Quantity over quality for now. They have 450 million people living in cities now. They estimate that in 20 years (give or take, I don't remember exactly) that number will be 900 million. The western media want to portray it as if they are doing a horrible job. Creating a huge housing bubble and "ghost towns" just because they can. It's ludicrous, and if you look into it makes you realize propaganda in the west is alive and well.

Much like the whole gender imbalance issue in China. It's not all doom and gloom as they would like you to believe. Obviously it's a massive developing country with massive developing country issues, but they aren't doing as bad a job as you think.

[KevinNYC]

1. Although I cannot quote him directly, it is in his mastery learning book where he outlines the use of Skinner's operant conditioning to manipulate the behaviors of anybody. Bloom is a behavioral psychologist. He is not an educator. You can't quote him directly because your quote is distortion of his method and I seriously doubt he ever said anything like that.

I love the part in Bold. Is that supposed to scare us? You do know that there is such a thing as an educational psychologist? Also he did receive his PHD in education.
2. He broke down his conditioning to 3 stages:

Cognitive

Affective

PsychomotorNo, he didn't. Those are not stages, those are domains. If you think you supposed to go through those as stages, it shows you completely misunderstand EVERYTHING about his work. Domain is simply the type of learning.

Stages would be equivalent to driving directions: you go step by step until you reach your goal.
Domains are more like a pie chart: they are side by side, you are either in one slice or another (that's slightly simplistic, you can have overlapping domains)

Learning how a bill becomes a law would be the cognitive domain.

Learning how to control your temper would be the affective domain.

Learning how to play basketball would be the psychomotor domain.

Learning how to build a set of cabinets would be overlapping psychomotor and cognitive.

He does have a hierarchy of stages, but that is separate from his concepts of domains. In each domain you progress through the hierarchy of stages.

Here's one hierarchy of stages (http://www.lucidway.com/the-psychomotor-domain-get-physical/) for the psychomotor domain based on Bloom's taxonomy.


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Imitation:
Observing and patterning behavior after someone else. Performance may be of low quality. Example: Copying a work of art.
Manipulation:
Being able to perform certain actions by following instructions and practicing.
Example: Creating work on one’s own, after taking lessons, or reading about it.
Precision:
Refining, becoming more exact. Few errors are apparent.
Example: Working and reworking something, so it will be “just right.”
Articulation: Coordinating a series of actions, achieving harmony and internal consistency.
Example: Producing a video that involves music, drama, color, sound, etc.
Naturalization: Having high level performance become natural, without needing to think much about it.
Examples: Michael Jordan playing basketball,


It is a formula to mindf*ck the mind to change the behavior.
Cognitive + Affective = Psychomotor
Yeah, No.

[gigantes]

rambo...?


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[niko]

You don't even know what my opinion is. You are only drawing conclusions on what my opinion is based on questions I am asking. Im only asking questions. My opinions on things actually change a lot because I like researching things constantly, and I form my opinions based on research. Sometimes I phrase things in a certain way to draw out a certain type of response, in order to learn from it. But I change my mind on a lot of things. Just because I continue to ask questions about a topic doesn't mean I am being block headed about it and not taking anything in. I keep asking questions to learn more and hear more varied perspectives.
I'm drawing conclusions based on watching you argue endlessly on the board. You post a topic, someone disagrees, you shoot it down. You like the argument, and to win the argument (much like Rambo). However this doesn't go over as well when your argument is against an ethnic group. This asking questions and changing with it, where does it occur? Certainly not on this board.

The chinese are not Man U vs. Chelsea, but you brought the same hard headedness to the thread. It's just a bad idea. And if your suggestion was that you were posting a theory and we don't know which side you were on, that's just being dishonest, it was pretty clear watching you refute anyone who said it wasn't a chinese cultural issue.

Carry on, do whatever makes you happy. This is not my place to tell you what and what not to do. I can observe though when something is going to end badly, and it did.

[niko]

China's construction is fine. Sure the housing they are making is not state of the art and not very high quality, but it's not as bad as some people want you to believe. It's functional and quite safe. It's not more unsafe than houses build here in the seventies. People still live in those.

Truth is, China is being quite responsible with their construction. Quantity over quality for now. They have 450 million people living in cities now. They estimate that in 20 years (give or take, I don't remember exactly) that number will be 900 million. The western media want to portray it as if they are doing a horrible job. Creating a huge housing bubble and "ghost towns" just because they can. It's ludicrous, and if you look into it makes you realize propaganda in the west is alive and well.

Much like the whole gender imbalance issue in China. It's not all doom and gloom as they would like you to believe. Obviously it's a massive developing country with massive developing country issues, but they aren't doing as bad a job as you think.
Which is what i said in the other thread and Nick Young, NOPE THIS IS NOT IT. IT IS JUST CHINESE.

[Nick Young]

China's construction is fine. Sure the housing they are making is not state of the art and not very high quality, but it's not as bad as some people want you to believe. It's functional and quite safe. It's not more unsafe than houses build here in the seventies. People still live in those.

Truth is, China is being quite responsible with their construction. Quantity over quality for now. They have 450 million people living in cities now. They estimate that in 20 years (give or take, I don't remember exactly) that number will be 900 million. The western media want to portray it as if they are doing a horrible job. Creating a huge housing bubble and "ghost towns" just because they can. It's ludicrous, and if you look into it makes you realize propaganda in the west is alive and well.

Much like the whole gender imbalance issue in China. It's not all doom and gloom as they would like you to believe. Obviously it's a massive developing country with massive developing country issues, but they aren't doing as bad a job as you think.
I went to a Frank Gehry lecture in Santa Monica where he talked about how shit Chinese construction is, how low the standards are over there, and why they are the way they are.

He is not the only architect I have heard speak about this, and I have spoken to many non-famous architects about the subject as well.

Chinese construction is far from "fine".

As for the gender imbalance, I never pointed out if I thought it was fine or not. I only pointed out that clearly it exists.

[Nick Young]

I'm drawing conclusions based on watching you argue endlessly on the board. You post a topic, someone disagrees, you shoot it down. You like the argument, and to win the argument (much like Rambo). However this doesn't go over as well when your argument is against an ethnic group. This asking questions and changing with it, where does it occur? Certainly not on this board.

The chinese are not Man U vs. Chelsea, but you brought the same hard headedness to the thread. It's just a bad idea. And if your suggestion was that you were posting a theory and we don't know which side you were on, that's just being dishonest, it was pretty clear watching you refute anyone who said it wasn't a chinese cultural issue.

Carry on, do whatever makes you happy. This is not my place to tell you what and what not to do. I can observe though when something is going to end badly, and it did.
Lol you don't know what I think about bruh, or what my opinions are. You are only making assumptions about my opinions so that you can label and generalize me because it helps you feel comfortable with the world.

[CavaliersFTW]

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[RightToCensor]

I swear, every other post is an essay. This is ISH not RealGM.

[Dresta]

1. Generalization is a lower level kind of thinking, hence why you see it in animals. It is a natural way of thinking, but true learning is supposed to deviate away from this line of thinking and encourage more precise calculations on concrete ideas.

2. Newton started with propositions that challenged those concrete ideas (best ideas of the time); Einstein falsified those ideas. They focused on the concrete and built upon them, they didn't generalize and induct their way to them. Huge difference. This ideology is actually John Stuart Mill's Science. You assume truth is in generalization, and you break your way down to the concrete. This is why they use statistics. Stats are only probabilities and are never precise calculations of the truth. You can't derive any truths from generalizations.

This is why stereotypes are considered "truths." Nick Young truly believes his generalizations are a form of truth when it really is not.

In the early years of education, they teach classification, outlines, grouping ideas, multiple chioce questions, etc. to condition the mind to think in generalization.
Early years? They were doing that shit at uni, and continue to do it at Masters level. It helps get morons through the system.

They also force specialisation way too early. Being the hubristic fools that they are, they think you can study political and economic phenomena, and prescribe policy, without any cross-discipline foundational knowledge. The truth is that you can't have a coherent doctrine when it comes to politics without it being grounded in philosophy (particularly epistemology), and then adapted through an analysis of history. No wonder the education system has just become a factory for producing nonentities with phoney certificates.

[IamRAMBO24]

You can't quote him directly because your quote is distortion of his method and I seriously doubt he ever said anything like that.

I love the part in Bold. Is that supposed to scare us? You do know that there is such a thing as an educational psychologist? Also he did receive his PHD in education.No, he didn't. Those are not stages, those are domains. If you think you supposed to go through those as stages, it shows you completely misunderstand EVERYTHING about his work. Domain is simply the type of learning.

Stages would be equivalent to driving directions: you go step by step until you reach your goal.
Domains are more like a pie chart: they are side by side, you are either in one slice or another (that's slightly simplistic, you can have overlapping domains)

Learning how a bill becomes a law would be the cognitive domain.

Learning how to control your temper would be the affective domain.

Learning how to play basketball would be the psychomotor domain.

Learning how to build a set of cabinets would be overlapping psychomotor and cognitive.

He does have a hierarchy of stages, but that is separate from his concepts of domains. In each domain you progress through the hierarchy of stages.

Here's one hierarchy of stages (http://www.lucidway.com/the-psychomotor-domain-get-physical/) for the psychomotor domain based on Bloom's taxonomy.




Yeah, No.

Your lack of understanding of Bloom's intent is absymal. There is too much to respond, so I'll just key in on one point:

"Bloom is not a behavioral psychologist."

He wrote a book called "Mastery of Learning." In this book, he laid out the foundation for his taxonomy. Here is a quick summarization of the book by Anita Hoge:

"The individualized computerized concept of mastery learning "uses conditioning," (reward & punishment) manipulating students to master the below standard, standards in this unnatural process. Only the standards will be taught & tested. Traditional education is opportunity, mastery learning is a controlled environment. Mastery learning has little to do with specific content, but rather is a description of the process of mastering particular learning objectives.

This approach is based on Benjamin Bloom's Mastery for Learning model, with refinements made by Block. Mastery learning may be implemented as teacher-paced group instruction, one-to-one tutoring, or self-paced learning with programmed materials using direct teacher instruction or computerized models. It requires well-defined learning objectives organized into smaller, sequentially organized units, otherwise known lately as Common Core Standards. Individualized, computerized instruction is a perfect partner used with mastery learning. The computer is a perfect programmed teacher to reach a perfect controlled goal.

The concept of mastery learning can be attributed to the behaviorism principles of Skinner's operant conditioning."

[Akrazotile]

No wonder the education system has just become a factory for producing nonentities with phoney certificates.


Yeah, but in reality evolution is what produces those nonentities. The education system couldn't change that if it tried, people are fundamentally not the same. I mean some students take those same exact tests and classes, and still develop a more sophisticated mind and stronger abilities than the others. You could alter the education system to raise every child's ability to think critically, but a few would still outperform the rest.

It's the bell curve. Thick in the middle, sparse on the polar ends.

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Gotta just accept that society is watered down with proles. Most people are average. It can't exist any other way except maybe in very small little communities. Big ol' countries? It's gotta be this way.

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah, but in reality evolution is what produces those nonentities. The education system couldn't change that if it tried, people are fundamentally not the same. I mean some students take those same exact tests and classes, and still develop a more sophisticated mind and stronger abilities than the others. You could alter the education system to raise every child's ability to think critically, but a few would still outperform the rest.

It's the bell curve. Thick in the middle, sparse on the polar ends.

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Gotta just accept that society is watered down with proles. Most people are average. It can't exist any other way except maybe in very small little communities. Big ol' countries? It's gotta be this way.

I think there is a deliberate attempt at dumbing people down. In re-education camps, the reason why they repeat propaganda over and over is not really to get these prisoners to toe the party line, but rather to condition their behavior, make them weak, make them submissive to authority, to conform, and to be afraid of any critical thought.

Bloom's intent is to change the behaviors of the students, and not to teach. Although he's not as extreme as those camps, but you have to really consider in order to change behaviors, you have to change the thought process. It is not by mere coincidence schools are structure like prisons and there is an over emphasis on slave history.

[KevinNYC]

Your lack of understanding of Bloom's intent is absymal. There is too much to respond, so I'll just key in on one point:

"Bloom is not a behavioral psychologist."

He wrote a book called "Mastery of Learning." In this book, he laid out the foundation for his taxonomy. Here is a quick summarization of the book by Anita Hoge:

"The individualized computerized concept of mastery learning "uses conditioning," (reward & punishment) manipulating students to master the below standard, standards in this unnatural process. Only the standards will be taught & tested. Traditional education is opportunity, mastery learning is a controlled environment. Mastery learning has little to do with specific content, but rather is a description of the process of mastering particular learning objectives.

This approach is based on Benjamin Bloom's Mastery for Learning model, with refinements made by Block. Mastery learning may be implemented as teacher-paced group instruction, one-to-one tutoring, or self-paced learning with programmed materials using direct teacher instruction or computerized models. It requires well-defined learning objectives organized into smaller, sequentially organized units, otherwise known lately as Common Core Standards. Individualized, computerized instruction is a perfect partner used with mastery learning. The computer is a perfect programmed teacher to reach a perfect controlled goal.

The concept of mastery learning can be attributed to the behaviorism principles of Skinner's operant conditioning."

Thanks for confirming you don't know what the **** you're talking about. This is why you can't find a citation for that quote from Bloom you've been posting. He never said it and you're just getting that from New World Order idiots.

As for the point, in red. That is not a quote from me. So you're responding to something I didn't say. You claimed he wasn't an educator. I pointed out that he is an educational psychologist and has a PHD in education.

You then cite a conspiracist (http://newswithviews.com/Hoge/anita104.htm)as a critic of Bloom. You may want to waste your time worrying what the author of Common Core: Indoctrination For A New World Order (http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/common-core-indoctrination-for-a-new-world-order/#vR4htc5gh2mx2326.99) has to say and you may think she gives an accurate summary of Bloom's idea, but that's why you're Rambo.

I thought the anti-bloom conspiracist you were going to cite was Charlotte Iserbyt. Your ideas on education are as solid as your crackpot theories of 9/11.

[gigantes]

you know my first question would be-- how do the g-forces feel?


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(i don't know much about these issues, so can only be a PITA towards the person with the worst argument in this case!)

[Dresta]

Yeah, but in reality evolution is what produces those nonentities. The education system couldn't change that if it tried, people are fundamentally not the same. I mean some students take those same exact tests and classes, and still develop a more sophisticated mind and stronger abilities than the others. You could alter the education system to raise every child's ability to think critically, but a few would still outperform the rest.

It's the bell curve. Thick in the middle, sparse on the polar ends.

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Gotta just accept that society is watered down with proles. Most people are average. It can't exist any other way except maybe in very small little communities. Big ol' countries? It's gotta be this way.
Yeah, i don't even think the best education system could change it very much either, but our education system even restrains those with potential. Some gems from Mencken (he puts it far better than i could):

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[tomSR.]

man this tread is shit !