Durant the Defender, & closing the gap on LeBron

[MASH Transit]

[QUOTE]Durant

[AnaheimLakers24]

closing gap? hes already better.

[oarabbus]

closing gap? hes already better.

No

[ArbitraryWater]

Defense is hard to measure by stats. I see, I know KD is a good defender. However not great, most certainly wont be all defensive team or reach Bron's def. level.

[riseagainst]

he's already been better since last year.

[Trollsmasher]

Synergy stats are nice, but context needs to be applied. Of course KD is going to have better ISO numbers when he always guards the worst opposition's player on the floor.

In the end, if you need a defensive stop and you use KD to guard the opposite team's superstar, you are going to lose the game:yaohappy:

Also: Royce Young is a beta bitch. Watch him shut up tomorrow

[TheReal Kendall]

Sorry but Lebron's defense is mad overrated. Their defensive abilities are equal

[navy]

Sorry but Lebron's defense is mad overrated. Their defensive abilities are equal
Would you put Durant on Tony Parker for an entire game 7?

[PJR]

Durant's a solid man defender primarily due to his length, but please spare me these stats. You have to take these synergy/counter part numbers with a grain of salt, due to the fact that Durant generally does not guard the best offensive player out there, Thabo does.

And Durant still is a weak link team and weak side help defender.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3TFRgYVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkJGcHT9zoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koSHheuLgQw

[SilkkTheShocker]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/656980/thumbs/s-KEVIN-DURANT-large.jpg

[oarabbus]

Sorry but Lebron's defense is mad overrated. Their defensive abilities are equal

Lebron is a better defender are you only basing that off stats :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Would you put Durant on Tony Parker for an entire game 7?

Ignore that hillbilly. He thinks Melo>>>LeBron

[Black and White]

LeBron's defense is overrated a lot, it's not "god-like" as some of you seem to think, he's a good defender tho, don't get me wrong.

[NumberSix]

Durant's defense is honestly better than LeBron's this season. Defense is 90% effort. Lazy defense = bad defense.

[AnaheimLakers24]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/656980/thumbs/s-KEVIN-DURANT-large.jpg
love to the people who brought him to this world unlike this child yelling at a whore http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsAkR09F_I

[GOATbe]

http://dailythunder.com/2014/01/durant-the-defender-and-closing-the-gap-on-lebron/
He's always been the better player and it wasn't even close. ESPN is just now realizing this :lol

[TheReal Kendall]

Would you put Durant on Tony Parker for an entire game 7?

In that series I would risk it cause TP didn't play like he normally does.


So you saying LBJ shutdown Parker in that game???

[Black and White]

How much longer are you going to pretend to be a Celtics fan, f.aggot?

:kobe: I am not pretending, I will always be a C's fan, unlike all you Bron stans that will jump on the bandwagon of whatever team he signs with

[buddha]

Durant's a solid man defender primarily due to his length, but please spare me these stats. You have to take these synergy/counter part numbers with a grain of salt, due to the fact that Durant generally does not guard the best offensive player out there, Thabo does.

And Durant still is a weak link team and weak side help defender.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3TFRgYVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkJGcHT9zoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koSHheuLgQw

so you showed one play where he got caught sleeping and two other vids from 2 years ago? :facepalm

[Solefade]

Durant's defense is honestly better than LeBron's this season. Defense is 90% effort. Lazy defense = bad defense.


yeah i agree but no fair minded basketball fan is actually going to believe Durant is a better defender than bron overall

[Solefade]

:kobe: I am not pretending, I will always be a C's fan, unlike all you Bron stans that will jump on the bandwagon of whatever team he signs with

a C's fan sucking on Kobe's nuts. you don't know how oxymoronic that is

[Black and White]

a C's fan sucking on Kobe's nuts. you don't know how oxymoronic that is

We are all entitled to an opinion, did I once say KD is the better defender? No, we all know Bron is the better defender when he puts in effort.

[Boarder Patrol]

He's been a better defender than Bron this year by far. Defensive stats aren't that great but I've yet to see one that says LeBron is better.

[navy]

In that series I would risk it cause TP didn't play like he normally does.


So you saying LBJ shutdown Parker in that game???

Except watch the series. He was abusing Chalmers and Cole even in the later games. The only time his 'injury' came up is when he was guarded by Lebron.

And yes, Lebron clearly shut down Parker. Even Greg Popovich said it.

[Solefade]

We are all entitled to an opinion, did I once say KD is the better defender? No, we all know Bron is the better defender when he puts in effort.

well the funniest thing is I can't get over how you're a C's fan but there's a historic rivalry between lakers and celtics--you guys played each other 3 times in the past decade (in case you didn't know) and you're stanning one of the top players of "your team's" rival yet calling all bron fans bandwagon fans while flaming bron in every thread and calling yourself an objective nba fan. it's all really hilarious.

[Black and White]

well the funniest thing is I can't get over how you're a C's fan but there's a historic rivalry between lakers and celtics--you guys played each other 3 times in the past decade (in case you didn't know) and you're stanning one of the top players of "your team's" rival yet calling all bron fans bandwagon fans while flaming bron in every thread and calling yourself an objective nba fan. it's all really hilarious.

I haven't called LeBron out without reason, I have given him credit too (but I think you just ignore those posts)

I know the rivalries, I would never support the Lakers, but Kobe is a great player, even you can admit that.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Since when do skinny(er) players get bad rep regarding defense? I mean, Tayshaun Prince, Bobby Jones, young KG, Michael Cooper, Kirilenko...


Synergy stats are nice, but context needs to be applied. Of course KD is going to have better ISO numbers when he always guards the worst opposition's player on the floor.


Got to agree.

Imho he went from being underrated on defense (because he improved and has been pretty solid) to really overrated.

I've posted this before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3TFRgYVK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb7NX978uxU&t=0m37s

(not this year below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkJGcHT9zoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSk-rOSoQyg

[russwest0]

Durant has been a better defender for the past 2 years...

This isn't news.

[Solefade]

Durant has been a better defender for the past 2 years...

This isn't news.


Durant >>>> Kobe

[navy]

Durant use to be a horrible defender. Now he is pretty good. He has great length to block and contest shots. Sometimes he is invisible on defense though.

Lebron also use to be a horrible defender, but now he is good. He can move with the best of them and since he's so strong he can push offensive players of their motion without extending and getting a foul called. He is a weak contestor though as he never jumps to contest a shot.

Ive seen Lebron locked in and loaded and take players out the game to levels I have never seen Durant, but I can see why people will say Durant is giving more effort and playing better defense this year.

And defensive stats dont mean shit. The Heat rotate like crazy and the thunder have Ibaka to stop people from thinking about diving in. Completely different defensive philosophies. If they both played in the same system and guarded the same players I would put stock into them seeing as neither will guard the opposing players best player the entire night as well.

[MASH Transit]

Why do people keep posting videos from two or three years ago to counter on article written on how well KD is playing today?

[BigMacAttack]

Why do people keep posting videos from two or three years ago to counter on article written on how well KD is playing today?

Cause they reaching.


Durant has been a better defender this season.

[HurricaneKid]

Durant use to be a horrible defender. Now he is pretty good. He has great length to block and contest shots. Sometimes he is invisible on defense though.

Lebron also use to be a horrible defender, but now he is good. He can move with the best of them and since he's so strong he can push offensive players of their motion without extending and getting a foul called. He is a weak contestor though as he never jumps to contest a shot.

Ive seen Lebron locked in and loaded and take players out the game to levels I have never seen Durant, but I can see why people will say Durant is giving more effort and playing better defense this year.

And defensive stats dont mean shit. The Heat rotate like crazy and the thunder have Ibaka to stop people from thinking about diving in. Completely different defensive philosophies. If they both played in the same system and guarded the same players I would put stock into them seeing as neither will guard the opposing players best player the entire night as well.

It took 3 pages but its good to see something intelligent said. Finally.

[G-Funk]

“but LeBron plays defense!” argument is weakening by the day

[sd3035]

"closing the gap" :roll:

KD is already a much better defender than Lebron

KD is already better in all aspects of basketball except for passing which he has closed the gap recently and they are about equal

Nice grapsing at straws attempt by Lebron fans now saying stats don't matter :roll:

Lebron has always been a mediocre defender, he has slipped to below average this year. Kd used to be mediocre, now he is a good defender.

Numbers don't lie kids:cheers:

[hitmanyr2k]

Would you put Durant on Tony Parker for an entire game 7?

If you have Chris Bosh flanking you covering your ass sure :oldlol: I love how everyone and their mother tries to give Lebron sole credit for covering Tony Parker when in reality it was done by committee. Lebron was never on an island by himself with Parker. He's rarely ever on an island by himself with any perimeter player. Spoelstra's defensive scheme covers his ass most of the time.

[Nash]

Lebron is still the guy Miami sends on guys like Rose and Parker to completely shut them down when it matters the most.

[sd3035]

Lebron is still the guy Miami sends on guys like Rose and Parker to completely shut them down when it matters the most.


Surely they have another defender who is better than 149th in the league:confusedshrug:

[Nash]

Surely they have another defender who is better than 149th in the league:confusedshrug:
oh god

[Kingwillball]

LeBron's defense is overrated a lot, it's not "god-like" as some of you seem to think, he's a good defender tho, don't get me wrong.


Lebrons Regular season and Postseason Defense are two different things completely. Regular season he is Average to slightly above average cause he does not slide his feet and is lazy at times(again Conserving,coasting) While Postseason He digs in bends knees and puts a lot more effort in thus making him Elite.

[Kingwillball]

"closing the gap" :roll:

KD is already a much better defender than Lebron

KD is already better in all aspects of basketball except for passing which he has closed the gap recently and they are about equal

Nice grapsing at straws attempt by Lebron fans now saying stats don't matter :roll:

Lebron has always been a mediocre defender, he has slipped to below average this year. Kd used to be mediocre, now he is a good defender.

Numbers don't lie kids:cheers:


The fact that U think they are equal passers shows U are a moron.. I just watched segment recently saying how Lebron is one of the best passers of all time for a Non PG cause of his instincts court vision and willingness to find open man that can not be taught and your saying Durant is equal.. :hammerhead: Lebron is a better passer, Defender and Rebounder which makes him the superior player as Durant is only better in one area of the game that is scoring.. 3 out of 4 parts of the game Lebron is better. Your eyes Shouldn't lie either..

[sd3035]

The fact that U think they are equal passers shows U are a moron.. I just watched segment recently saying how Lebron is one of the best passers of all time for a Non PG cause of his instincts court vision and willingness to find open man that can not be taught and your saying Durant is equal.. :hammerhead: Lebron is a better passer, Defender and Rebounder which makes him the superior player as Durant is only better in one area of the game that is scoring.. 3 out of 4 parts of the game Lebron is better. Your eyes Shouldn't lie either..


You aren't intelligent enough to troll properly, try something else:facepalm

[Kingwillball]

You aren't intelligent enough to troll properly, try something else:facepalm


but I am smarter than U at least noob get lost..The new posters with less than a 1000 posts should not even be aloud to respond to the forefathers of this site.

[hitmanyr2k]

Lebron is still the guy Miami sends on guys like Rose and Parker to completely shut them down when it matters the most.

Bullshit :oldlol: Let's just shut this myth down right now. Lebron isn't even the most effective perimeter defender on his team. Bosh is the guy who makes Miami's defense what it is. Everyone gives Bosh shit for his rebounding numbers but never recognize what he's doing on the floor defensively that leaves him out of position to get rebounds.

It's nice to have a PF that can switch on Tony Parker late in the game and come up with a huge block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-ivyuxOnI#t=0m48s

We're supposed to believe it's always Lebron covering Parker in the final minutes of the game but I'll be damned if that Chris Bosh guy isn't always around. Parker can't even beat him off the dribble and is forced to his an unbelievable shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAuQL70pxAg

Once again, it's nice to have a PF flanking that can cover your ass and shut Parker down from going into the lane while keeping tabs on Duncan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDsbdsGzlUU

Nice to have a PF that can cover Lebron's ass on the perimeter and then get back to take a charge on Durant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YieHBIa-I#t=0m49s

Is Parker going to beat his guy off the dribble? Nope, there's Bosh on the perimeter cutting that lane off. They swing the ball and Danny Green beats Ray Allen off the dribble but guess who has to leave Duncan to cover Ray's ass and challenge the shot? Chris Bosh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FcminfxoMg

Bosh again showing his awesome perimeter help defense and recovering to affect the shot of Boozer. Since he's above the foul line I wonder how he's going to get back and get those precious rebounds every chides him about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AvjNIEYsP0

Rinse, repeat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxvWIC5vZB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZZndWhpQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waklfbK4F2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8FBkr-s6Ec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUxShU-RQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuhGDJ2Cow#t=0m11s

[Kingwillball]

Bullshit :oldlol: Let's just shut this myth down right now. Lebron isn't even the most effective perimeter defender on his team. Bosh is the guy who makes Miami's defense what it is. Everyone gives Bosh shit for his rebounding numbers but never recognize what he's doing on the floor defensively that leaves him out of position to get rebounds.

It's nice to have a PF that can switch on Tony Parker late in the game and come up with a huge block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-ivyuxOnI#t=0m48s

We're supposed to believe it's always Lebron covering Parker in the final minutes of the game but I'll be damned if that Chris Bosh guy isn't always around. Parker can't even beat him off the dribble and is forced to his an unbelievable shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAuQL70pxAg

Once again, it's nice to have a PF flanking that can cover your ass and shut Parker down from going into the lane while keeping tabs on Duncan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDsbdsGzlUU

Nice to have a PF that can cover Lebron's ass on the perimeter and then get back to take a charge on Durant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YieHBIa-I#t=0m49s

Is Parker going to beat his guy off the dribble? Nope, there's Bosh on the perimeter cutting that lane off. They swing the ball and Danny Green beats Ray Allen off the dribble but guess who has to leave Duncan to cover Ray's ass and challenge the shot? Chris Bosh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FcminfxoMg

Bosh again showing his awesome perimeter help defense and recovering to affect the shot of Boozer. Since he's above the foul line I wonder how he's going to get back and get those precious rebounds every chides him about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AvjNIEYsP0

Rinse, repeat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxvWIC5vZB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZZndWhpQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waklfbK4F2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8FBkr-s6Ec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUxShU-RQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuhGDJ2Cow#t=0m11s


:roll: :banghead:

[hitmanyr2k]

:roll: :banghead:

I hope you don't think it's Lebron? :oldlol: Lebron doesn't do half the shit on the defensive end that Bosh is responsible for. Bosh is expected to defend all over the damn floor, blitz pick and rolls, defend stretch 4's, challenge shots of players who beat the Heat players off the dribble and still somehow be expected by Heat "fans" to be in position to get rebounds. It's a damn shame but the box scores and numbers aren't going to reflect just how valuable he is to Miami's defense. His combination of length and foot speed make him by far the most impactful defender on Miami. While Lebron is getting hype for chasedown blocks you rarely ever hear Bosh get credit for shit.

[PJR]

Bosh's ability to show and recover, and switch on ball screens is without question understated.

But you sound like one bitter ass hater to sit there and act like LeBron isn't one of the most versatile defenders in the league. Don't be that guy.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bosh's ability to show and recover, and switch on ball screens is without question understated.

But you sound like one bitter ass hater to sit there and act like LeBron isn't one of the most versatile defenders in the league. Don't be that guy.

Dude is a Spurs fan :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

Bosh is a great defender.

But anyone trying to argue that LeBron's defensive impact isn't immense is just a hater. Lebron is an EXCELLENT defensive player no matter how you want to spin anything.

[hitmanyr2k]

Bosh's ability to show and recover, and switch on ball screens is without question understated.

But you sound like one bitter ass hater to sit there and act like LeBron isn't one of the most versatile defenders in the league. Don't be that guy.

How is it bitter to set these myths straight? :oldlol: Lebron is a versatile defender but I constantly see Heat fans sipping the koolaid and repeating these bullshit Superman stories that Lebron can guard 1-5 and he's solely the one shutting down Tony Parker blah blah blah when that dude gets a ton of defensive help. It's time for someone to start calling this shit out and give credit where it's due. You never hear Chris Bosh out of a Lebron stans mouth when it comes to his help defense.

[veilside23]

we havent even mentioned wade on this thread. as a unit the heat is defensive havoc. chalmers wade bron battier and bosh all of them play defense when lebron was with the cavs did he stop paul pierce from scoring sure he got his numbers but he didnt shut down pierce.

Lebron may amaze us all by his block shots and his weakside help defense is good but not better than dwade... lebron is not a great on ball defender i dont have to post a link on this.

can you honestly say lebron is the best defender for the miami heat?

[Kingwillball]

OK Bosh is a PF/Center and other big men Salivate at thought of playing and dominating paint vs Heat i.e. Hibbert so not sure how anybody can be impressed with Bosh as a defender or Rebounder for his size.

[MASH Transit]

Bosh is a great defender.

But anyone trying to argue that LeBron's defensive impact isn't immense is just a hater. Lebron is an EXCELLENT defensive player no matter how you want to spin anything.

Try explaining why? Because I typically see him getting beat off the dribble, and he isn't much of a rim protector. Great help defender though.

[LongLiveTheKing]

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mario_chalmers-300x450.jpg
25 points dropped on him by Rio, dat defense :roll: :roll: :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

One nice regular season run and people are crowning him the messiah :banghead:

[JohnFreeman]

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mario_chalmers-300x450.jpg
25 points dropped on him by Rio, dat defense :roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol:
I remember Chalmers hit the nicest three in the corner, over 6,11 Durant haha

[I.R.Beast]

Durant has been a better defender than lebron from last season...this isnt news...on ball especially....

[LongLiveTheKing]

:oldlol:
I remember Chalmers hit the nicest three in the corner, over 6,11 Durant haha
That shit was nice. :lol :cheers:

[Kingwillball]

Durant has been a better defender than lebron from last season...this isnt news...on ball especially....

:confused shrug: .. Where do people get their information from ?

[BigMacAttack]

:confused shrug: .. Where do people get their information from ?

Not espn obviously, maybe they you know, watch the games?

[PJR]

How is it bitter to set these myths straight? :oldlol: Lebron is a versatile defender but I constantly see Heat fans sipping the koolaid and repeating these bullshit Superman stories that Lebron can guard 1-5 and he's solely the one shutting down Tony Parker blah blah blah when that dude gets a ton of defensive help. It's time for someone to start calling this shit out and give credit where it's due. You never hear Chris Bosh out of a Lebron stans mouth when it comes to his help defense.

Just because one poster says something stupid, doesn't mean you have to come thru and say something even more retarded like LeBron isn't the most impactful defender on the Heat. Ludicrous. Erik Spolestra most certainly would call you stupid for saying such a thing.

Obviously, LeBron doesn't shut downs guys 1-1 on an island. NO ONE does. That's not even real NBA defense. There's ALWAYS some sort of scheme to it, whether you're funneling a guy into a shot blocker, or getting an aggressive hedger to help trap a ball handler.

But the fact of the matter is that LeBron is the guy whom Spoelstra designates to put on marquee threats, positions 1 thru 4. In last year post-season alone, we've seen LeBron take on primary assignments to defend Joakim Noah, Paul George, and Tony Parker for a handful of possessions at a time. And he often does a damn good job at it. LeBron is the most versatile defender in the league, and that's just a fact jack.

[GOATbe]

"closing the gap" :roll:

KD is already a much better defender than Lebron

KD is already better in all aspects of basketball except for passing which he has closed the gap recently and they are about equal

Nice grapsing at straws attempt by Lebron fans now saying stats don't matter :roll:

Lebron has always been a mediocre defender, he has slipped to below average this year. Kd used to be mediocre, now he is a good defender.

Numbers don't lie kids:cheers:
KD's a better passer too

[joeysms55]

I remember him giving 2 lay ups in the fourth quarter due to poor defensive position. Most obvious is the open layup by Millsap. Also, getting away with pushing for offensive foul. However, when u touch him it's a foul. The guy is babied by the league so mucb

When playoffs comes..... He will cry for lack of free throws.

[MASH Transit]

Just because one poster says something stupid, doesn't mean you have to come thru and say something even more retarded like LeBron isn't the most impactful defender on the Heat. Ludicrous. Erik Spolestra most certainly would call you stupid for saying such a thing.

Obviously, LeBron doesn't shut downs guys 1-1 on an island. NO ONE does. That's not even real NBA defense. There's ALWAYS some sort of scheme to it, whether you're funneling a guy into a shot blocker, or getting an aggressive hedger to help trap a ball handler.

But the fact of the matter is that LeBron is the guy whom Spoelstra designates to put on marquee threats, positions 1 thru 4. In last year post-season alone, we've seen LeBron take on primary assignments to defend Joakim Noah, Paul George, and Tony Parker for a handful of possessions at a time. And he often does a damn good job at it. LeBron is the most versatile defender in the league, and that's just a fact jack.


Then why doesn't Spo assign LBJ to guys like Durant, Dirk, David West, etc?

[PJR]

Then why doesn't Spo assign LBJ to guys like Durant, Dirk, David West, etc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUapNkF9UE

And did you watch the 2012 Finals? LeBron defended Durant plenty. If you don't actually watch games, then please shut up. K Thanks.

[KG215]

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mario_chalmers-300x450.jpg
25 points dropped on him by Rio, dat defense :roll: :roll: :roll:
Excellent point. Everyone should keep this in mind because Durant is the exact same player now as he was nearly two years ago.

[Fudge]

Only aspect of the game LeBron is CLEARLY better than KD in is passing. Even then, it's not that far off. :oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Someone tell me when KD can guard D-Rose.

[KG215]

Someone tell me when KD can guard D-Rose.
Peopl probably just shouldn't take you seriously since you think Durant as a player two years ago is somehow relevant when talking about the player he is today. Players tend to improve a ton from 23 years old to 25 years old.

[Trollsmasher]

over/under 20 for Chalmers tomorrow after Durant switches on him thanks to not being able to at least pretend to guard anyone else?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Peopl probably just shouldn't take you seriously since you think Durant as a player two years ago is somehow relevant when talking about the player he is today. Players tend to improve a ton from 23 years old to 25 years old.
Sefolosha usually guards the other teams best player anyways so what does it make. KD is only good at defense because of his height.

[BigMacAttack]

Sefolosha usually guards the other teams best player anyways so what does it make. KD is only good at defense because of his height.

Do people actually think KD is more physically gifted then lebron?

[Prometheus]

Durant is the man but come on this is some stupid shit

[russwest0]

Durant is the man but come on this is some stupid shit

Have yo been watching both on defense this year? Like, at all?

[hahaitme]

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mario_chalmers-300x450.jpg
25 points dropped on him by Rio, dat defense :roll: :roll: :roll:

:bowdown:

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

1a 1b

[Prometheus]

Have yo been watching both on defense this year? Like, at all?

the way LeBron is playing defense in this regular season means almost nothing. if your hater heart can bear it, go back and rewatch the finals that just happened. Durant isn't on that level as a defender yet, and he probably never will be

(and do not misinterpret this as a bias, as I'm sure you already know by now that overall I think Durant > LeBron at this point)

[KG215]

Sefolosha usually guards the other teams best player anyways so what does it make. KD is only good at defense because of his height.
:oldlol:

And you don't even realize how stupid this sentence is. You still admit Durant is a good defender. Besides, a lot of great NBA players are great in part because of being physically and/or athletically gifted, so that beyond stupid argument is never going to fly with me. LeBron's a 6'8" athletic freak who's built like a tank...guess that's the only reason he's good at defense.

[MadSolar]

:oldlol:

And you don't even realize how stupid this sentence is. Not only does it mean you admit Durant is still a good defender, but because that doesn't nor shouldn't mean shit. LeBron's a 6'8" athletic freak who's built like a tank...guess that's the only reason he's good at defense.
Lebron Stans :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

That shit was nice. :lol :cheers:
I remember after he hit a shot in Durant's face he pushed Durant and squared up. No respect :oldlol:

[BigMacAttack]

:oldlol:

And you don't even realize how stupid this sentence is. You still admit Durant is a good defender. Besides, a lot of great NBA players are great in part because of being physically and/or athletically gifted, so that beyond stupid argument is never going to fly with me. LeBron's a 6'8" athletic freak who's built like a tank...guess that's the only reason he's good at defense.

LeBron has a case for GOAT nba athlete ever lol but but but KD is only good cause of his height.

One retard literally said this a couple weeks ago "KD is taller than everyone so its not impressive what he does" lol Whaaaaat the ****?

[LongLiveTheKing]

:oldlol:

And you don't even realize how stupid this sentence is. You still admit Durant is a good defender. Besides, a lot of great NBA players are great in part because of being physically and/or athletically gifted, so that beyond stupid argument is never going to fly with me. LeBron's a 6'8" athletic freak who's built like a tank...guess that's the only reason he's good at defense.
I'm just his height does help? A big reason for it. LeBron is a better defender he can shut down elite players, I've never seen KD do that because Sefolosha is doing all the hard work.

[sd3035]

"Durant is only good because of his height"

"Stats don't mean anything, Lebron is better"

"Lebron isn't trying because it's the regular season"


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Fudge]

"Durant is only good because of his height"

"Stats don't mean anything, Lebron is better"

"Lebron isn't trying because it's the regular season"


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
LeBron stans are disgusting as fck. Goodness. You think they watch ball, bro? Srs question.

[LongLiveTheKing]

I'd never thought KD would get overrated so much haha.

[JohnFreeman]

I'd never thought KD would get overrated so much haha.
Wait for the playoffs. It will unravel.

[BigMacAttack]

I'd never thought KD would get overrated so much haha.

I guess its just because he is so tall haha fvck outta here.

[Fudge]

I guess its just because he is so tall haha fvck outta here.
:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wait for the playoffs. It will unravel.

Yea, hopefully he doesn't see the big bad Grizzlies again :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Yea, hopefully he doesn't see the big bad Grizzlies again :oldlol:
:applause: :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:applause: :oldlol:

:cheers:

[LongLiveTheKing]

I guess its just because he is so tall haha fvck outta here.
Okay what do you want me too say? KD is an elite defender because he shuts down players like Rose, Paul George, and Melo. Nah :oldlol:

[Fudge]

Biggest myth ever: LeBron shutting down players.

:oldlol:

[BigMacAttack]

Okay what do you want me too say? KD is an elite defender because he shuts down players like Rose, Paul George, and Melo. Nah :oldlol:

I dont want a dickrider like you to say anything.

[Ancient Legend]

Biggest myth ever: LeBron shutting down players.

:oldlol:

When LeBron James defended Rose over the last two games of the series, Rose shot 6.3 percent (1-of-15)
http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bulls/2011/5/27/2193427/lebron-james-defense-derrick-rose-miami-heat-chicago-bulls

LeBron James shuts down Kevin Durant in fourth
http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2012/06/19/lebron-james-shuts-kevin-durant-fourth-good-defender/6710/

[KG215]

I'm just his height does help? A big reason for it. LeBron is a better defender he can shut down elite players, I've never seen KD do that because Sefolosha is doing all the hard work.
And LeBron being 6'8", built like a tank, and a freak athlete helps him be a great defender. So what? Being physically and athletically gifted is a big reason why a lot of NBA players are at least in the league and, in some cases, really, really good.

[Fudge]

When LeBron James defended Rose over the last two games of the series, Rose shot 6.3 percent (1-of-15)
http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bulls/2011/5/27/2193427/lebron-james-defense-derrick-rose-miami-heat-chicago-bulls

LeBron James shuts down Kevin Durant in fourth
http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2012/06/19/lebron-james-shuts-kevin-durant-fourth-good-defender/6710/
:roll:

Do you know how Miami's defense is? They rely on team defense, with GREAT rotations on P&Rs. That's how Rose was stopped. LeBron hasn't shut down anybody, kid. Stop. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Durant held Kobe to like 4-24 shooting in the 4th quarter of their last playoff meeting.

If LeBron did the same thing the media would be all over his dick for it.

[KG215]

Okay what do you want me too say? KD is an elite defender because he shuts down players like Rose, Paul George, and Melo. Nah :oldlol:
Durant's shut down plenty of great offensive players over long stretches of games. You're just too busy not watching his games and following the LeBron Fan Club party line of the month or year, i.e. "But Mario Chalmers in 2012 doe!!"

[BigMacAttack]

Anyone who tries to use a players height as a way to downplay their defense isnt worth being serious with.

[Ancient Legend]

:roll:

Do you know how Miami's defense is? They rely on team defense, with GREAT rotations on P&Rs. That's how Rose was stopped. LeBron hasn't shut down anybody, kid. Stop. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_NvujgnpI

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Durant held Kobe to like 4-24 shooting in the 4th quarter of their last playoff meeting.

If LeBron did the same thing the media would be all over his dick for it.

Kobe's kind of like that Melo in that regard. Even if no one was defending him, Kobe still would've shot 4-24.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe's kind of like that Melo in that regard. Even if no one was defending him, Kobe still would've shot 4-24.

:oldlol:

[Fudge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_NvujgnpI
You posted a video from 4 years ago, I don't get it. :confusedshrug:

[Fudge]

Durant held Kobe to like 4-24 shooting in the 4th quarter of their last playoff meeting.

If LeBron did the same thing the media would be all over his dick for it.
Are you actually a Kobe fan, bro? :(

[Ancient Legend]

You posted a video from 4 years ago, I don't get it. :confusedshrug:


LeBron is a better defender than he was 4 years ago, and back then he was blocking the shit out of Durant.

[BigMacAttack]

LeBron is a better defender than he was 4 years ago, and back then he was blocking the shit out of Durant.

Some fine reaching there sir!

[Fudge]

LeBron is a better defender than he was 4 years ago, and back then he was blocking the shit out of Durant.
:facepalm

Cringeworthy.

[JohnFreeman]

Durant's shut down plenty of great offensive players over long stretches of games. You're just too busy not watching his games and following the LeBron Fan Club party line of the month or year, i.e. "But Mario Chalmers in 2012 doe!!"
Chalmers:

[russwest0]

Are you actually a Kobe fan, bro? :(

:roll:

If I was a Kobe fan I wouldn't bring it up. Durant shutdown Kobe when Brooks switched him on him in the 4th.

[aburre21]

Lebron hasn't been playing defense at all this year. He's been absolutely terrible and so has the rest of the Heat. It's pretty easy to tell when he's giving it his all on defense. He bends his knees and gets real low when he actually wants to play defense. LeBron 's muscle mass has made him real stiff and if he doesn't get low and bend his knees, he's easy to blow by. There's only been two games where he gave full defensive effort, both against the Pacers and he damn near wore his self out in the first half playing so damn hard on defense :lol








KD has definitely had a better year than him. :applause: to the young man. He's a beast. I don't like the ticky tack foul calls his ass gets though which makes him virtually impossible to defend but he's the MVP hands down, not even close. Bron's still the best player in the league though

[Rose'sACL]

even though lebron only seems to be trying hard in forth quarter only, durant has a long way to go to be an elite defender.
If you watch the games then you will realize that durant is late on rotations so many times. guessing the play before it happens is key to today's elite perimeter defenders. one-on-one defense is not that big of a deal and you can only play that kind of defense if you have an elite shot blocker near the rim on your team.
playoffs last year were a great example. go watch those games and look at how hard lebron has to work on defense. Help defense takes more out of you when you are the best defender on the team. Everyone talks about how much lebron scored in fourth in game 6 to bring miami back but you should remember those clutch block and great defense by him. He totally shut down paul george and tony parker in clutch moments in playoffs.
Making the rotations a lot faster should be durants goal. He has the length to give all sorts on problem to other team on defense.

[JohnFreeman]

:roll:

If I was a Kobe fan I wouldn't bring it up. Durant shutdown Kobe when Brooks switched him on him in the 4th.
Wade shutdown Kobe as well in their meeting at staples.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Durant's shut down plenty of great offensive players over long stretches of games. You're just too busy not watching his games and following the LeBron Fan Club party line of the month or year, i.e. "But Mario Chalmers in 2012 doe!!"
Name some he shut down.

[aburre21]

I'm a huge LeBron stan but why aren't people being honest. His defense has been terrible, downright lazy and embarrassing this year. The Heat don't have big bodies in the lane that intimidate and shot block like OKC but that still isn't an excuse. Durant has been having a better season in all facets of the game...period! Give the man his props.










He not better than Bron though and he definitely ain't getting a ring this year. Bron the modern day GOAT!! He been playing too much ball these past years and its definitely wearing on him.

[TruHeatFan]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Lebron is so much better tan KD defender its not even close

If Bron doesn't get DPOY its rigged worse than the 2011 finals

[KG215]

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]Chalmers:

[G-Funk]

Wade shutdown Kobe as well in their meeting at staples.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/89431/kobe-game-winner-vs-heat-o.gif

[russwest0]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/89431/kobe-game-winner-vs-heat-o.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Milbuck]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Lebron is so much better tan KD defender its not even close

If Bron doesn't get DPOY its rigged worse than the 2011 finals
Who the **** are you?

[veilside23]

where is the lock down defense lebron ? seriously ....

[russwest0]

Durant held LeBron to 9-27 shooting in the Finals and 2-8 shooting tonight.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Media gonna continue to make shit up and act like LeBron is a defensive juggernaut and Durant is just a one way player.

Durant is owning LeBron in every single defensive statistic. He did last season too IIRC.

[Fudge]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfMt7McCYAA7RT9.jpg

:applause:

[RoseCity07]

It's pretty much a fact Durant is a better defender. Has been improving the past few seasons honestly. I'm seeing more blocked shots and and attempt to get through screens. He's not coping out as much by going under. He's not as good as Lebron but he's a respectable defender. He's not like that joke James Harden.

[plowking]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfMt7McCYAA7RT9.jpg

:applause:

Counting the ones Durant got on a fast break. :applause:

[Fudge]

It's pretty much a fact Durant is a better defender. Has been improving the past few seasons honestly. I'm seeing more blocked shots and and attempt to get through screens. He's not coping out as much by going under. He's not as good as Lebron but he's a respectable defender. He's not like that joke James Harden.
I don't get it.

#confused #boy #latenightthoughts

[Fudge]

Counting the ones Durant got on a fast break. :applause:
Dem easy fast break bucketz. Gotta respect dat.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Probably includes that "goaltend" call in there too :oldlol:

But for real, Durant's a beast. Hopefully Miami has a better showing next time they meet.

[plowking]

Dem easy fast break bucketz. Gotta respect dat.

Why did Durant guard Bron for so little of the game? Shoulda went at each other.

[TheGreatRaptor]

Counting the ones Durant got on a fast break. :applause:
Ignore this haters. They are celebrating a REGULAR season game. While everybody knows that Lebron torch stick boy where it matters.

[KD35willbeGOAT]

Why did Durant guard Bron for so little of the game? Shoulda went at each other.

After he picked up 2, Scotty just decided he wouldn't risk KD picking up more fouls. Although the second foul was a dumb one by him, reaching after forcing a tough shot. But KD guarded Bron more than the shots indicate, and made him pass out of the post a couple of times too.

[Fudge]

Why did Durant guard Bron for so little of the game? Shoulda went at each other.
Foul trouble, i think. But yeah, they should've. Good ol' Perry did a respectable job in the 2nd half doe imo.

[PyrrhusX]

Probably includes that "goaltend" call in there too :oldlol:

But for real, Durant's a beast. Hopefully Miami has a better showing next time they meet.

No way, GOATbrook gonna go ham after witnessing greatness tonight and not being a part of it.:bowdown:

[RoseCity07]

I don't get it.

#confused #boy #latenightthoughts

Oh I see. The first sentence was referring to a post about whether he had improved or not. What I meant is it's a fact that he's a better defender now that he was before. Meaning he's improved. I should have quoted.

[Im Still Ballin]

KD will foul out trying to defend LBJ as we have come to realise

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Why did Durant guard Bron for so little of the game? Shoulda went at each other.
B/c when KD plays great 1on1 defense on Lebron and forces him to travel the refs bail him out and give him free throws also putting him to foul trouble:applause:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

KD will foul out trying to defend LBJ as we have come to realise
The same goes for Lebron. U really think either player can guard the other for 40mins with no help w/o fouling out:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KG215]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/KevinDurantTop6inOffenseandDefense_zps95546c23.png

[TheGreatRaptor]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/KevinDurantTop6inOffenseandDefense_zps95546c23.png
Yay. #overrated