LeBron is declining or he will be soon

[Joyner82reload]

Sorry folks, can't argue with history

He's currently at 37958 minutes played for regular season and postseason Kobe was at 37519 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Jordan was at 35934 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
KG was at 37998 at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season
Duncan was at 36203 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Shaq was at 36785 at the beginning of the 2004-05 NBA season
Kareem was at 38947 at the beginning of the 1980-81 NBA season
Wilt was at 36872 at the beginning of the 1968-69 NBA season
Bird was at 34731 at the beginning of the 1988-89 NBA season
Magic got AIDS
Barkley was at 34316 at the beginning of the 1995-96 NBA season
Hakeem was at 38702 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
Dr. J was at 38814 at the beginning of the 1981-82 NBA season
Oscar was at 35436 at the beginning of the 1970-71 NBA season
West was at 35372 at the beginning of the 1971-72 NBA season

[Trollsmasher]

no

[CelticBaller]

"Magic got AIDS"
:roll:

[secund2nun]

Age> Mins

Lebron is only 29. Most of those guys listed above were older when they started to decline.

[Meticode]

He'll decline obviously, but just to mention he's NEVER been seriously injuried. He has no on-going lingering injuries, he's a freak of nature as far as build and he takes HGH. Just kidding about the last one, but who knows.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LOL

[CelticBaller]

He'll decline obviously, but just to mention he's NEVER been seriously injuried. He has no on-going lingering injuries, he's a freak of nature as far as build and he takes HGH. Just kidding about the last one, but who knows.
for a second I thought you finally embraced the full hatred :lol

[Joyner82reload]

Age> Mins

Lebron is only 29. Most of those guys listed above were older when they started to decline.

Age has very little to no impact. It's always been about minutes played. Just look at Kobe and KG

[aj1987]

Age has very little to no impact. It's always been about minutes played. Just look at Kobe and KG
Kobe was still a 27/6/6 player last season with a total of 54,000 minutes played. You should be more worried about Durant peaking at age 25.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe was still a 27/6/6 player last season with a total of 54,000 minutes played.

Kobe also played ZERO defense and tore his achilles.

[aj1987]

Kobe also played ZERO defense and tore his achilles.
Yeah, at 54,000 minutes. LeBron is still at 38,000 minutes. He still has a LOT of time left.

[navy]

Kobe also played ZERO defense and tore his achilles.
True. :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe also played ZERO defense and tore his achilles.
http://bavatuesdays.com/files/2013/12/gatsby-leo-051113.gif

[buddha]

Kobe also played ZERO defense and tore his achilles.

Sounds like LeBron this year, maybe he will tear his acl.

[pauk]

http://theanklebreaker.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/alonzofacepalmlebrontech.gif

[russwest0]

Minutes played? **** all that.

Just look at his numbers or watch his piss poor defense. He's clearly on the decline. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional LeBron stan.

[Joyner82reload]

Kobe was still a 27/6/6 player last season with a total of 54,000 minutes played. You should be more worried about Durant peaking at age 25.

And Kobe had fallen far, far from what he once was. Kobe's last "great" season was 2010-11 and at that point he was still pretty far off from the player he was from 2006-09.

[Solefade]

Minutes played? **** all that.

Just look at his numbers or watch his piss poor defense. He's clearly on the decline. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional LeBron stan.

or maybe because he's conserving energy to try to go to his 4th straight finals? :rolleyes:

[aj1987]

And Kobe had fallen far, far from what he once was. Kobe's last "great" season was 2010-11 and at that point he was still pretty far off from the player he was from 2006-09.
Whatever helps up sleep at night. Dude is literally one of the fastest and strongest players in the league. He will be for the next couple of years.

[russwest0]

or maybe because he's conserving energy to try to go to his 4th straight finals? :rolleyes:

Tell me how LeBron isn't on the decline from here on out. Tell me how he's gonna be a better player moving forward than he was in the past 2 seasons.

[russwest0]

Whatever helps up sleep at night. Dude is literally one of the fastest and strongest players in the league. He will be for the next couple of years.

He needs to drop 15-20 pounds if he wants to age better.

[aj1987]

He needs to drop 15-20 pounds if he wants to age better.
This, I agree with. He needs to work with Grover in the offseason.

[pauk]

oh man..... cant wait until playoffs...

[Joyner82reload]

oh man..... cant wait until playoffs...

So Pauk, all of the greats decline around 36-38000 career minutes, but LeBron will just continue his play for the next 5-6 years and won't decline until 60,000~ minutes?

[SpecialQue]

Sorry folks, can't argue with history

He's currently at 37958 minutes played for regular season and postseason Kobe was at 37519 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Jordan was at 35934 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
KG was at 37998 at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season
Duncan was at 36203 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Shaq was at 36785 at the beginning of the 2004-05 NBA season
Kareem was at 38947 at the beginning of the 1980-81 NBA season
Wilt was at 36872 at the beginning of the 1968-69 NBA season
Bird was at 34731 at the beginning of the 1988-89 NBA season
Magic got AIDS
Barkley was at 34316 at the beginning of the 1995-96 NBA season
Hakeem was at 38702 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
Dr. J was at 38814 at the beginning of the 1981-82 NBA season
Oscar was at 35436 at the beginning of the 1970-71 NBA season
West was at 35372 at the beginning of the 1971-72 NBA season

Normally I'd take offense to this since he's my favorite player, but since he's been trolling the Lakers on almost an ISH level lately... http://i43.tinypic.com/10sg01h.jpg

[Jabari Parker]

Shut this thread down stop disrespecting the KING. He's gonna murk KD in the finals and you'll all be crying just like 2012 :banghead:

[6 for 24]

These anti-Kobe threads disgust me. Kobe led the whole NBA in PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[KyrieTheFuture]

Joyner your life is more dedicated to LeBron than LeBron's life is dedicated to LeBron.

[JohnFreeman]

Joyner your life is more dedicated to LeBron than LeBron's life is dedicated to LeBron.
He hates LeBron more than he likes Durant

[Prometheus]

Minutes played? **** all that.

Just look at his numbers or watch his piss poor defense. He's clearly on the decline. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional LeBron stan.

every team that wins multiple championships begins to slow down in the regular season. I know you know this.

[JamiesChrist]

Wishful thinking. Gonna be epically hilarious on ISH when Bron wins his third straight FMVP.

[TheCorporation]

Could've sworn Bron outplayed KD in their recent head-to-head match. I believe he scored more points, on less FGA, AND had a higher FG% :oldlol:

[GOATbe]

Agreed, his game isnt aging well at all. He'll probably retire very soon cus he doesn't want his career stats to plummet.

[Sharmer]

Sorry folks, can't argue with history

He's currently at 37958 minutes played for regular season and postseason Kobe was at 37519 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Jordan was at 35934 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
KG was at 37998 at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season
Duncan was at 36203 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Shaq was at 36785 at the beginning of the 2004-05 NBA season
Kareem was at 38947 at the beginning of the 1980-81 NBA season
Wilt was at 36872 at the beginning of the 1968-69 NBA season
Bird was at 34731 at the beginning of the 1988-89 NBA season
Magic got AIDS
Barkley was at 34316 at the beginning of the 1995-96 NBA season
Hakeem was at 38702 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
Dr. J was at 38814 at the beginning of the 1981-82 NBA season
Oscar was at 35436 at the beginning of the 1970-71 NBA season
West was at 35372 at the beginning of the 1971-72 NBA season

deluded, the gods don't decline.

[Dbrog]

This is actually an eye-popping stat to me. I guess I still always think of Bron as a young dude with many years of prime left but he might only have 3 or 4 left of championship quality years. Then again, when somebody says ten years ago to me, I instantly want to say 1990-something...I guess my time sense has been pretty thrown off these past few years.

[chazzy]

Could've sworn Bron outplayed KD in their recent head-to-head match. I believe he scored more points, on less FGA, AND had a higher FG% :oldlol:
Did Durant outplay Lebron in the '12 finals?

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

hes played more minutes than any player before the age of 30 in NBA history

[Sharmer]

He's in peak fitness, never had any real serious injures. He's got another decade in him.

[LeGOAT]

Lebron is coasting, it's true whether you like it or not. Heat or coming of back to back championships, it's human nature to start to get a bit complacent after such success, especially during the long and at times meaningless regular season, especially when Lebron has already won 4 reg. season MVPs. He's also playing the fewest minutes of his career. Anyways, let us look at his per 36 stats this season compared to career avg. stats to see how much he's "declined"

PPG: +0.5

ASG: -0.1

RPG: even

SPG: -0.3

BPG: -0.4

fg%: +8%

Only major "decline" is steals and blocks which comes back to lack of effort and coasting.

[KG215]

Kobe was still a 27/6/6 player last season with a total of 54,000 minutes played. You should be more worried about Durant peaking at age 25.
What Durant is doing in his age 25 season isn't out of the norm compared to other all-time greats. Best statistical season does not equal a player's peak.

Barring something drastic, Durant will likely only improve to some extent over the next 3-5 seasons...just like about every other all-time great.

[buddha]

or maybe because he's conserving energy to try to go to his 4th straight finals? :rolleyes:

yeah because that's how energy works. do you honestly believe that saving energy in january will have any effect on his energy levels come may?

[buddha]

Lebron is coasting, it's true whether you like it or not. Heat or coming of back to back championships, it's human nature to start to get a bit complacent after such success, especially during the long and at times meaningless regular season, especially when Lebron has already won 4 reg. season MVPs. He's also playing the fewest minutes of his career. Anyways, let us look at his per 36 stats this season compared to career avg. stats to see how much he's "declined"

PPG: +0.5

ASG: -0.1

RPG: even

SPG: -0.3

BPG: -0.4

fg%: +8%

Only major "decline" is steals and blocks which comes back to lack of effort and coasting.

lmao he has declined in every statistical category INCLUDING PPG and REB. It should read..

PPG: -1.2

REB: -0.4

hey atleast he is efficient doe. :facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

op brings a great thread with hard statistical evidence, some ppl are just shook at those facts :applause:

[KG215]

Could've sworn Bron outplayed KD in their recent head-to-head match. I believe he scored more points, on less FGA, AND had a higher FG% :oldlol:

2012 Finals...

Durant: 30.6 PPG on 55/39/84 shooting

LeBron: 28.6 PPG on 47/19/83 shooting


I guess Durant outplayed LeBron in the Finals, then.

[TheCorporation]

2012 Finals...

Durant: 30.6 PPG on 55/39/84 shooting

LeBron: 28.6 PPG on 47/19/83 shooting


I guess Durant outplayed LeBron in the Finals, then.

...

Could've sworn we were talking about 2013. Durant is the king of second place. Do we really need to revisit the past to prove my point? lol

[cos88]

op is a clown, check out the age too you hobo, also some of those guys played 1-2-3-4 year in college back when you played 35+ minutes every game not like now 26-28 mpg :facepalm

[Sharmer]

Lebron probably is the fittest player in the league. No need for concern.

[SpecialQue]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19d8k16h2tc9agif/ku-xlarge.gif

[Sharmer]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19d8k16h2tc9agif/ku-xlarge.gif

:biggums:

[TheCorporation]

What kind of face is she making after that dunk?

[Im Still Ballin]

Don't buy into the minutes soo hard, he's only 29.

Don't forget LBJ is running lots of human growth hormone so he is recovering fast. People say his athleticism is declining but i can name a handful of plays this season that says otherwise.

[Xsatyr]

Don't buy into the minutes soo hard, he's only 29.

Don't forget LBJ is running lots of human growth hormone so he is recovering fast. People say his athleticism is declining but i can name a handful of plays this season that says otherwise.

And none of those plays can match who he was a couple years ago. He is def on the decline now but he has a long ways to fall considering how good he is. Kobe, Duncan, and Dirk are players who declined at a slow pace but it was evident on each passing year. Dirk is having a nice little bounce back as did Kobe for a few seasons but he will fade soon enough just like Bryant.

[aj1987]

What Durant is doing in his age 25 season isn't out of the norm compared to other all-time greats. Best statistical season does not equal a player's peak.

Barring something drastic, Durant will likely only improve to some extent over the next 3-5 seasons...just like about every other all-time great.
It was a reply to a troll and I was just trolling with that comment. I like Durant.

[KG215]

...

Could've sworn we were talking about 2013. Durant is the king of second place. Do we really need to revisit the past to prove my point? lol
Just using your own dumb logic against you. Don't get mad at me.

Durant, in 2013, has been better than LeBron. He outplayed LeBron (slightly) last night, his team, without their second All-Star, smoked LeBron's team in Miami, and Durant is the runaway MVP at this point.

[catquickspider]

Lebron probably is the fittest player in the league. No need for concern.

his stamina is poor

[TheCorporation]

Just using your own dumb logic against you. Don't get mad at me.

Durant, in 2013, has been better than LeBron. He outplayed LeBron (slightly) last night, his team, without their second All-Star, smoked LeBron's team in Miami, and Durant is the runaway MVP at this point.

LeBron got outplayed by Durant?

Let's see:

Most points
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Least amount of FGA
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Higher FG%
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Yep, Durant out played him :roll:

[KG215]

LeBron got outplayed by Durant?

Let's see:

Most points
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Least amount of FGA
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Higher FG%
[x] LeBron
[ ] Durant

Yep, Durant out played him :roll:
Good, so we agree that by using your logic, Durant outplayed LeBron in the 2012 Finals.

[Sharmer]

Lebron will be the first player to improve every year he plays. He will have no decline.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron will be the first player to improve every year he plays.

improve his roster

[JebronLames]

LeBron is not worried.:sleeping

[9erempiree]

He is on the decline for various reasons but one main reason why he is on the decline because he is no longer as good as he use to be. He wasn't very skilled in the first place and people put him on a pedestal due to his raw athleticism.

He is a very effective player today but he just can not dominate the game like he use to. It's debatable whether he can dominate.

Anyways, the main reason why he is on the decline, I don't think age is a factor is because we are still waiting for that post game or that mid range jumper. You can not teach an old dog new tricks and he hasn't added anything to his game.

That athleticism is keeping him relevant.

The other night really showed what a class player Durant is compared to a player like Lebron.

Lebron is like a Prius. Good car and gets the job done. Durant is like a Rolls Royce...all class in his game.

[Crafty]

You sure had a lot of trouble to make this thread.

[rip2]

For someone who relies on athleticism so much, yes, he will drop fast. And when he drops, it will be ugly. So hopefully lebron stans understand this, they should brace for it. A huge amount of his points come from fastbreaks and layups. When he declines, he's not getting that. When people don't respect his drives anymore, they won't give him the wide open space to shoot either. I'm guessing his FG will drop to around 40's. This is his last year to win.. hopefully he makes good use of it.

[Im Still Ballin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWLYtweXG0

Yeah he's definitely losing his athleticism....................................... .......

[Frozen1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWLYtweXG0

Yeah he's definitely losing his athleticism....................................... .......

Yeah people still justify lebron athleticism by showing how high he can jump.

Of course he is athletic and he can jump high, but you have to make a comparison of what he was years ago.

He could jump high and blow by anyone.

Now he still can jump high, but his explosion is gone, he has a great final speed, but i

[Suguru101]

improve his roster

:roll:

[Wally450]

So whenever Durant gets there, he'll start breaking down too then right?

[ImKobe]

09 will always be his prime athletically, he's been declining ever since. Difference is that he doesn't need to do all the things he did before. Now he gets buckets off easy fast break opportunities and wide open layups. He doesn't need to explode like he did back then.

Fans be like "oh he's only 29 doe", but he's been in the NBA for over a decade now. All those minutes are going to wear on him and he will lose more athleticism as time goes on.

His decline isn't that noticeable right now, because he's not declining as a player, it's just his athletic ability, he makes up for it by working on his shot and getting buckets without having to waste so much energy. I can respect a player for that. That's what MJ and Kobe did, they worked on their post game and they found a way to be effective without the speed and quickness they had in their younger days.

Lebron has been very lucky with his health, no major injuries. If he can stay away from hurting his knees, he'll do fine longetivity-wise.

[Derka]

Decline isn't what concerns me. Father Time's victory is inevitable. What gets me about him is that he never gets hurt. The guy...at some point...is going to have a major injury. I don't think I've seen a guy go this deep into his career, playing his minutes and at his intensity not suffer the kind of injury that costs other guys an entire season.

The injury he's due for...that's what going to really kick off the decline you're all talking about.

[sportjames23]

Joyner, Milbuck and SexSymbol runnin' neck and neck and neck for 2014 ROY. Might be the first ever three-way tie. :bowdown:

[LBJ 23]

At the start of the season there was a stretch of 3-4 games when he looked almost like 10' Lebron. I remember he looked pretty quick and explosive when they played Dallas in the begining of the season. He was blowing by people easily.

[Droid101]

Joyner, Milbuck and SexSymbol runnin' neck and neck and neck for 2014 ROY. Might be the first ever three-way tie. :bowdown:
Joyner is not a rookie, dear lord. He's been spewing this nonsense for years. It's finally true this year, however, so he's gone into overdrive.

[VIntageNOvel]

improve his roster

:roll: :roll:

you're lew alcindor of ISH

[Mr Exlax]

A player is getting older? HOLY SHIT!

[VIntageNOvel]

Joyner is not a rookie, dear lord. He's been spewing this nonsense for years. It's finally true this year, however, so he's gone into overdrive.


joyner is pauk's version of OKC :lol

[riseagainst]

OP is funny. :lol

[r15mohd]

Lebron is coasting, it's true whether you like it or not. Heat or coming of back to back championships, it's human nature to start to get a bit complacent after such success, especially during the long and at times meaningless regular season, especially when Lebron has already won 4 reg. season MVPs. He's also playing the fewest minutes of his career. Anyways, let us look at his per 36 stats this season compared to career avg. stats to see how much he's "declined"

PPG: +0.5

ASG: -0.1

RPG: even

SPG: -0.3

BPG: -0.4

fg%: +8%

Only major "decline" is steals and blocks which comes back to lack of effort and coasting.

isn't his minutes per game down too?

[riseagainst]

lebron fans are funny. They are now making up another excuse: "coasting". It's a win win for them and Lebron.

If the Heat wins and/or Lebron wins MVP,ring,etc., that excuse is used to prop him up even higher. "Lebron won all this even when coasting, so he is just THAT much better than everyone else."

If Lebron fails to win anything this year, then they still have that coasting excuse to fall back on. "Oh well he wasn't trying."

:roll: :lol

[Mr Exlax]

lebron fans are funny. They are now making up another excuse: "coasting". It's a win win for them and Lebron.

If the Heat wins and/or Lebron wins MVP,ring,etc., that excuse is used to prop him up even higher. "Lebron won all this even when coasting, so he is just THAT much better than everyone else."

If Lebron fails to win anything this year, then they still have that coasting excuse to fall back on. "Oh well he wasn't trying."

:roll: :lol


I don't fully think you understand what we (I) mean about coasting. Miami have their eyes set on the the Finals already. They have nothing to gain during the regular season. They aren't gonna impress anybody. LeBron James and the Miami Heat will not be coasting during the playoffs. That's when the games actually matter. If they lose in the playoffs, they lost plain and simple. It ain't coasting. When the Lakers got swept by Dallas, they were coasting through the whole season. They didn't coast in the playoffs. They simply lost. Follow me?

[sd3035]

I think Lebron is as good as ever. His apparent decline in the eyes of some is probably due to the emergence of Kevin Durant as the best player in the NBA.

Lebron is as good or better than he ever was; he hasn't declined at all, he's just second best now.

[Demitri98]

LeBron is already bulking up and developing his jumpshot and post game for when he declines. By the time his body starts to go he will have a godly post game and a pretty deadly 3 point shot and a great skillset to build that around. He will do just fine, I see him being an elite player into his mid-30's.

[Xsatyr]

LeBron is already bulking up and developing his jumpshot and post game for when he declines. By the time his body starts to go he will have a godly post game and a pretty deadly 3 point shot and a great skillset to build that around. He will do just fine, I see him being an elite player into his mid-30's.

You're not supposed to bulk up as you get older... He is strong enough already. Kobe and Jordan were no where near as strong and had great post games. Adding extra weight would be counter-intuitive to combating father time.

[6 for 24]

Can a mod please luck this not-so-subtle Kobe hate thread?

[Mr.Kite]

LeBron is already bulking up and developing his jumpshot and post game for when he declines. By the time his body starts to go he will have a godly post game and a pretty deadly 3 point shot and a great skillset to build that around. He will do just fine, I see him being an elite player into his mid-30's.

with the minutes james has played...adding weight will destroy his knees

[guy]

Damn some people are sensitive. Being on the decline doesn't mean he's going to retire tomorrow. It means that we've probably seen the best of him already. Jordan was "on the decline" after 93 and he still ended up with 3 more titles/FMVPs. I think Lebron's on the decline, and with that said, it looks like at worst he'll still be a top 2 player in the league for at least another 3-4 years.

[russwest0]

Damn some people are sensitive. Being on the decline doesn't mean he's going to retire tomorrow. It means that we've probably seen the best of him already. Jordan was "on the decline" after 93 and he still ended up with 3 more titles/FMVPs. I think Lebron's on the decline, and with that said, it looks like at worst he'll still be a top 2 player in the league for at least another 3-4 years.

Agreed. And ain't nothing wrong with that. It's really cool being a top 3 player.

[Cold soul]

Lebron is declining athletically some year by year. Due to getting up there in minutes, wear and tear on legs, and age it's to be expected. He is still a great player don't get me wrong, but his run as NBA best player is over. Lebron will continue to be top 3 best in next 3-4 years.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I think his athletic decline has more to do with him putting on more weight since his Cleveland days than it has to do with mileage.

[StrongLurk]

He won't have a "real" decline for at least another 3 years. You gotta understand no one has played as much ball as Lebron over a 4-year stretch EVER. The Heat are the oldest team in the league and are trying to get to there 4th finals in a row. I understand if you think Lebron has peaked, but to me a decline is what Wade is going through, not Lebron coasting in the majority of games this season and playing a career low in minutes.

[Lebron23]

OP just disappeared again after the Wizards beat OKC, and Lebron with another great game.

30 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 6 steals vs. Melo and the Knicks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_kM_XgL_to

LeBron James' incredible layup vs New York Knicks (02.01.2014)

Someone needs to gif that $hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zp_E_ig0Jk

LeBron James Up and Under

[Trollsmasher]

It's February

Lebron is about to turn it about a notch or two and he won't stop until the FMVP and Larry O'Brien are in his hands again

The league better be ready:rockon:

[Lebron23]

http://i.imgur.com/3cmzWl5.gif


Look at that jump shot.

[DaOldLion]

Look at that jump shot.

:confusedshrug:

[GOATbe]

It's February

Lebron is about to turn it about a notch or two and he won't stop until the FMVP and Larry O'Brien are in his hands again

The league better be ready:rockon:
Yeah all he needs now to do now is get in a time machine and erase what happened when he tried guarding KD a couple days ago and then go on a 30 game win streak :rockon:

[Lebron23]

Lebron is gonna be a member of the 3 or more Finals MVP Club after this season.

[Leftimage]

Yeah all he needs now to do now is get in a time machine and erase what happened when he tried guarding KD a couple days ago and then go on a 30 game win streak :rockon:

Yeah I'm sure Lebron is worried about KD. After all...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vPIgTuQM2gk/0.jpg

...dude's had some up and downs. :cry: :cry:

[ripthekik]

I think his athletic decline has more to do with him putting on more weight since his Cleveland days than it has to do with mileage.
I'm glad even regular lebron stans will acknowledge his athletic decline and drop into top 3 player and not ignore it blindly like Lebron23.

[Lebron23]

I'm glad even regular lebron stans will acknowledge his athletic decline and drop into top 3 player and not ignore it blindly like Lebron23.


he's coasting, but the old Lebron is now back with a vengeance.

[ripthekik]

he's coasting, but the old Lebron is now back with a vengeance.
yeah, the old Lebron is here.

[navy]

Lebron has declined athletically since Cleveland, but he has been the same for all 4 Miami years pretty much. His body is still the best in the NBA.

[Warfan]

I'm glad even regular lebron stans will acknowledge his athletic decline and drop into top 3 player and not ignore it blindly like Lebron23.


I feel this is the most athletic version of heat LeBron, though he has decline athletically since cleveland

[MichaelCorleone]

Hey look, LeBron had a game that is an average game for Durant this season.

He da bess :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Reigning back2back MVP and FMVP. Yes he's "da bess".:pimp:

[ripthekik]

Reigning back2back MVP and FMVP. Yes he's "da bess".:pimp:
only after joining 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MichaelCorleone]

only after joining 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:
If Lebron had prime Shaq he would've won AT LEAST 8 rings.:cheers:

[JT123]

only after joining 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:
Prime Shaq > Hobbled Wade and Soft as Charmin Bosh.
Funny how no one is making threads today about Bosh being able to carry a franchise. :lol

[Pointguard]

Sorry folks, can't argue with history

He's currently at 37958 minutes played for regular season and postseason Kobe was at 37519 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Jordan was at 35934 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
KG was at 37998 at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season
Duncan was at 36203 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Shaq was at 36785 at the beginning of the 2004-05 NBA season
Kareem was at 38947 at the beginning of the 1980-81 NBA season
Wilt was at 36872 at the beginning of the 1968-69 NBA season
Bird was at 34731 at the beginning of the 1988-89 NBA season
Magic got AIDS
Barkley was at 34316 at the beginning of the 1995-96 NBA season
Hakeem was at 38702 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
Dr. J was at 38814 at the beginning of the 1981-82 NBA season
Oscar was at 35436 at the beginning of the 1970-71 NBA season
West was at 35372 at the beginning of the 1971-72 NBA season

Sorry but his body type is most similar to Karl Malone who didn't achieve that number until he was 34 but still had 5 good years after that. Lebron conceivably still rock 9 more very solid years!

[Leftimage]

Sorry folks, can't argue with history

He's currently at 37958 minutes played for regular season and postseason Kobe was at 37519 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Jordan was at 35934 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
KG was at 37998 at the beginning of the 2007-08 NBA season
Duncan was at 36203 at the beginning of the 2008-09 NBA season
Shaq was at 36785 at the beginning of the 2004-05 NBA season
Kareem was at 38947 at the beginning of the 1980-81 NBA season
Wilt was at 36872 at the beginning of the 1968-69 NBA season
Bird was at 34731 at the beginning of the 1988-89 NBA season
Magic got AIDS
Barkley was at 34316 at the beginning of the 1995-96 NBA season
Hakeem was at 38702 at the beginning of the 1996-97 NBA season
Dr. J was at 38814 at the beginning of the 1981-82 NBA season
Oscar was at 35436 at the beginning of the 1970-71 NBA season
West was at 35372 at the beginning of the 1971-72 NBA season

Oh look, you ommitted the player with a body most like Lebron - who happens to have had one of the LONGEST peaks and careers of all time.

http://jazzfanatical.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/karl-hof.jpg%3Fw%3D600%26h%3D379

It couldn't POSSIBLY be an agenda-based omission though...

[MichaelCorleone]

Oh look, you ommitted the player with a body most like Lebron - who happens to have had one of the LONGEST peaks and careers of all time.

http://jazzfanatical.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/karl-hof.jpg%3Fw%3D600%26h%3D379

It couldn't POSSIBLY be an agenda-based omission though...
Lebron haters are so obvious.

[TheMarkMadsen]

only after joining 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:


:roll:

[Fresh Kid]

If Lebron had prime Shaq he would've won AT LEAST 8 rings.:cheers:
http://www.lakersuniverse.com/imagenes/shaq_laugh.jpg
http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/190933/flags/LL
http://media.giphy.com/media/atQXlRTntnPA4/giphy.gif
http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/293817-1/Laker+teammates+Kobe+Bryant+and+Pau+Gasol+have+a+l augh.JPG
http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/mj-laughing.gif

[MichaelCorleone]

*insecure gifs*
He wouldn't?:confusedshrug:

PRIME Shaq + ROOKIE to PRIME Lebron would be 8 rings minimum you fool.

[Fresh Kid]

He wouldn't?:confusedshrug:

PRIME Shaq + ROOKIE to PRIME Lebron would be 8 rings minimum you fool.
kobe and shaq wouldn't lose to tha damn mavs plus kobe wouldn't have horrible 4th quarters like lebronna eitha:lol

[BlazerRed]

He wouldn't?:confusedshrug:

PRIME Shaq + ROOKIE to PRIME Lebron would be 8 rings minimum you fool.
Why won't Jeff IP ban this fool? How many time is he going to get banned and keep making new accounts? :facepalm

[MichaelCorleone]

Why won't Jeff IP ban this fool? How many time is he going to get banned and keep making new accounts? :facepalm
What did I say that's wrong?

Prime Shaq with a rookie Lebron through a decade of playing together (lebron hitting his prime) will notch at least 8 rings if they don't split up.

[Fresh Kid]

What did I say that's wrong?

Prime Shaq with a rookie Lebron through a decade of playing together (lebron hitting his prime) will notch at least 8 rings if they don't split up.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/ab/1e/89/ab1e893fdb6f828879bd2dcfdb86361a.jpg

[russwest0]

Don't ever compare LeBron or his body to Karl Malone.

This is Malone in his late 30s.

http://i44.tinypic.com/15z04zm.jpg

[Stringer Bell]

It's natural that a player is going to have some physical decline, losing some explosiveness and leaping ability. That happens fairly early, before 11 pro seasons.

The question is how the player adapts to it. The greatest players adjust to it and still maintain a high level of play because of their skill level and intelligence.

[coolhandsteve]

I think eventually he's gonna have to drop some weight in order to help himself during the decline, otherwise he'll start breaking down.

[zoom17]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/hp0kktmc85nart9xjiam.gif

[hawksdogsbraves]

Don't ever compare LeBron or his body to Karl Malone.

This is Malone in his late 30s.

http://i44.tinypic.com/15z04zm.jpg

Damn Malone was jacked up :bowdown:

[hawksdogsbraves]

I think eventually he's gonna have to drop some weight in order to help himself during the decline, otherwise he'll start breaking down.

If you said this in 2017 maybe it would be relevant, right now though, it's not.

LeBron has always improved his game from season to season, once his athleticism starts to slip, I'm sure you'll see him post up more and look to shoot more 3's. Barring injury I think he'll have a very graceful slide out of his prime.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Don't ever compare LeBron or his body to Karl Malone.

This is Malone in his late 30s.

http://i44.tinypic.com/15z04zm.jpg
dem roids doe:roll: :roll:
:oldlol: :oldlol: @OP for comparing LeGod to mere human beings:facepalm

[The-Legend-24]

"Magic got AIDS"
:roll:
I was seriously dying at that. :roll:

[9erempiree]

Like I mentioned in this thread months ago. He is declining and fast.

[plowking]

LeBron has declined.

Right now he is playing at peak Kobe levels. If he keeps playing the way he is he may drop to prime Kobe levels.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron has declined.

Right now he is playing at peak Kobe levels. If he keeps playing the way he is he may drop to prime Kobe levels.
You're seriously insinuating peak Kobe, take pick of: 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 isn't better than current LeBron? From a takeover the game perspective alone he's better. James is currently asking his coach to play him less.

:oldlol:

[plowking]

You're seriously insinuating peak Kobe, take pick of: 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 isn't better than current LeBron? From a takeover the game perspective alone he's better. James is currently asking his coach to play him less.

:oldlol:

It's funny how certain posters always pick one side of the argument to pick out posts from. You're one of them. :oldlol:

Anyway, my comment had no merit, reason or anything behind it, just a troll attempt, that clearly worked to some extent.

At the same time, now that you've brought it up, we're 10 games into the season, Lebron is putting up 26/7/7 on just about 50% from the field, and he is playing "poorly" according to his standards. So my honest opinion? I'd take him over any version of Kobe this season, since he will eventually start playing well.