Project: Playoff MVPs since the Merger (2000s)

[Odinn]

When we think of MVP criteria, besides how many games a player won, he won. If I try to explain myself with using a popular discussion;
2005-06 MVP, Steve Nash, won the award because he made his team a top seeding team. And there are many people say Kobe should have won the award because he won many games with that awful supporting cast.

That's why, other than the Merger thing, the only rules are;
Player which you'll vote for should have played in at least 2 playoff series in that year. That means at least 1 series win.
Vote for 3 players with a 12-8-5 point format.

We will do this by decades; first 2000s, then 1990s, then backwards to the merger and we will finish it 2010s. Or we can do 2010s by years, but we will think about when the time comes.


We have many Jan 2014 / April 2013 posters. And those posters can not vote in the 2000s project. But if they participate in the discussions, they can vote in further threads.


Lastly, I'd call fpliii as the co-owner of this project. He will be helping out.

[fpliii]

:applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

99: Duncan
00: Shaq
01: Kobe/Shaq
02: Shaq
03: Duncan
04: TOUGH. Ben/Sheed/Rip
05: Duncan
06: Wade
07: Duncan/Parker/Lebron
08: Kobe/KG
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Dirk
12: Lebron
13: Lebron

put that list together pretty quick. Can't really decide who to pick in 04 & 07

[fpliii]

One question, what do you want to do for voting? Just pick one guy, or maybe 3 players, with a 5-3-1 point format for 1st-2nd-3rd?

[Odinn]

99: Duncan
00: Shaq
01: Kobe/Shaq
02: Shaq
03: Duncan
04: TOUGH. Ben/Sheed/Rip
05: Duncan
06: Wade
07: Duncan/Parker/Lebron
08: Kobe/KG
09: Kobe
10: Kobe
11: Dirk
12: Lebron
13: Lebron
2000s means from 2000 to 2009. You are aware of that, right?

Besides, Playoff MVPs do not have to be the best player on championship team. Don't you think?

[Odinn]

One question, what do you want to do for voting? Just pick one guy, or maybe 3 players, with a 5-3-1 point format for 1st-2nd-3rd?
Yeah.
3 players with a 12-8-5 point format.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2000s means from 2000 to 2009. You are aware of that, right?

Besides, Playoff MVPs do not have to be the best player on championship team. Don't you think?

tisk tisk

you said 2000's..

anyways, i wasnt picking best player on the championship teams, but you're asking for playoff MVP and it's going to be hard justifying one player who played in 1-2 series over a guy who consistently performed on an elite level while winning a championship.

unless you're just looking for the best player who made the playoffs that year, but whats the point of that

[Odinn]

tisk tisk

you said 2000's..

anyways, i wasnt picking best player on the championship teams, but you're asking for playoff MVP and it's going to be hard justifying one player who played in 1-2 series over a guy who consistently performed on an elite level while winning a championship.

unless you're just looking for the best player who made the playoffs that year, but whats the point of that
So KG doesn't suit MVP concept well enough to be called 2004 Playoffs MVP?

That minimum 2 series played rule's purpose; leave it open to guys who might've been extraordinary who just faced an impossible team in the second round (or CF due to 80s procedure).

[fpliii]

Yeah.
3 players with a 12-8-5 point format.
:cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

So KG doesn't suit MVP concept well enough to be called 2004 Playoffs MVP?

That minimum 2 series played rule's purpose; leave it open to guys who might've been extraordinary who just faced an impossible team in the second round (or CF due to 80s procedure).

are you going to ride everybody's ass who makes a pick you don't agree with :confusedshrug:

I have no problem putting KG in there for 2004 maybe you missed "put that list together pretty quick"

other than 04 tho i don't see myself changing any of those picks..tho to be fair, as a Lakers fan the 2004 playoffs are a little..fuzzy :(

[fpliii]

I have to do some research, but I'll post my picks when I have a chance. Right now, I'm thinking:

00 - Shaq
01 - Kobe
02 - Shaq
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - Duncan
06 - Wade
07 - Duncan
08 - KG
09 - LeBron

These aren't final, though, and I haven't figured out 2nd and 3rd.

[Odinn]

are you going to ride everybody's ass who makes a pick you don't agree with :confusedshrug:
No. If I wanted to that, I'd have posted entirely different things instead of asking about your concept of Playoff MVP.
I used KG as an example because when you think of the beast of 2004
Playoffs, KG is generally the first one that pops in mind.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'll play, even if it doesn't count:

2000 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. Reggie
2001 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. AI
2002 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. Kidd
2003 1. Duncan 2. Kidd 3. Dirk
2004 1. KG 2. Billups 3. Shaq
2005 1. Duncan 2. Wade 3. Manu
2006 1. Wade 2. Dirk 3. Duncan
2007 1. Duncan 2. LeBron 3. Parker
2008 1. Kobe 2. KG 3. Pierce
2009 1. Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Howard

48 - Kobe
41 - Shaq
41 - Duncan
20 - KG
20 - Wade
16 - LeBron
13 - Kidd
13 - Dirk
8 - Billups
5 - Reggie
5 - Manu
5 - AI
5 - Pierce

[ImKobe]

00: Shaq/Duncan/Miller
01: Shaq(Finals)/Kobe(Western Conference series)/Iverson
02: Shaq/Kobe/Duncan
03: Duncan/Kobe/Kidd
04: KG/Shaq/Billups
05: Duncan/Manu/Wallace
06: Dirk/Wade/Nash
07: Duncan/Nash/Lebron
08: Kobe/KG/Pierce
09: Kobe/Lebron/Howard
10: Kobe/Gasol/Rondo

[Alan Ogg]

1999-2000: Shaq, Reggie, Kobe
2000-2001: Shaq, Iverson, Kobe
2001-2002: Shaq, Kobe, Kidd
2002-2003: Duncan, Kidd, Dirk
2003-2004: KG, Shaq, Billups
2004-2005: Duncan, Wade, Billups
2005-2006: Wade, Dirk, Nash
2006-2007: Duncan, LeBron, Parker
2007-2008: KG, Kobe, Pierce
2008-2009: Kobe, Dwight, LeBron



2000-2009

Shaq 44
Kobe 38
Duncan 36
KG 24
Wade 20
LeBron 13
Dirk 13
Kidd 13
Dwight 8
Iverson 8
Billups 5
Nash 5
Parker 5
Pierce 5
Reggie 5

Changed my list up a bit. And narrowed it down to 2000-2009. Notably, Wade as 2 in 2005. He was nasty that year, his break out year. The HEAT swept all the way to the ECF. If Wade doesn't get injured against the Pistons in game 5 and miss game 6 and play injured game 7, the HEAT end up in back to back finals. This is the biggest what if in HEAT history.

[francesco totti]

Hard to give playoff mvp's...finals mvp suits better...

some players play 4 games ...and go out of round 1..and played great..should we put them in playoff mvp talk?

[MMM]

1999-2000: Shaq, Reggie, Kobe
2000-2001: Shaq, Iverson, Kobe
2001-2002: Shaq, Kobe, Kidd
2002-2003: Duncan, Kidd, Dirk
2003-2004: KG, Shaq, Billups
2004-2005: Duncan, Billups, Manu
2005-2006: Wade, Dirk, Nash
2006-2007: Duncan, LeBron, Parker
2007-2008: KG, Kobe, Pierce
2008-2009: Kobe, Dwight, LeBron
2009-2010: Pau, Kobe, Rondo
2010-2011: Dirk, Wade, LeBron
2011-2012: LeBron, Durant, Rondo
2012-2013: LeBron, Duncan, Hibbert

2000-2013
Kobe 46
Shaq 44
LeBron 42
Dirk 25
KG 24
Wade 20
Billups 13
Kidd 13
Pau 12
Dwight 8
Iverson 8
Reggie 5
Hibbert 5
Manu 5
Nash 5
Parker 5
Pierce 5
Rondo 5

looks solid shouldn't Rondo be higher with 2 3rd place finishes

[T_L_P]

1999-2000: Shaq, Reggie, Kobe
2000-2001: Shaq, Iverson, Kobe
2001-2002: Shaq, Kidd, Kobe
2002-2003: Duncan, Kidd, Dirk
2003-2004: Garnett, Shaq, Billups
2004-2005: Duncan, Billups, Manu
2005-2006: Wade, Dirk, Nash
2006-2007: Duncan, Parker, LeBron
2007-2008: Garnett, Duncan, Kobe
2008-2009: Kobe, LeBron, Dwight(?)

[Alan Ogg]

looks solid shouldn't Rondo be higher with 2 3rd place finishes

Thanks, had forgotten Duncan too.

[SexSymbol]

00-Shaq
01-Kobe
02-Shaq
03-Duncan
04-Big Ben/KG
05-Duncan
06-Wade
07-Duncan
08-Kobe
09-Kobe
10-Kobe
11-Dirk
12-LeBron
13-LeBron

[T_L_P]

01-Kobe

:biggums:

29/7/6/2 is better than 30/15/3/2.5?

[SexSymbol]

:biggums:

29/7/6/2 is better than 30/15/3/2.5?
His WCF performance, which was the real finals, was spectacular to say the least.
It's not about numbers

[Odinn]

Defeating a Duncan-led team that didn't have a 2nd option (Derek Anderson was injured) while going up against 25 year-old Antonio Daniels and35 year-old Avery Johnson, 37 year-old Terry Porter. Yeah. That was the REAL finals.:applause: :facepalm


BTW, post your lists until 2009 lads.

http://i.hizliresim.com/wbyp00.jpg
If the Suns had Amare to get there, not just only Nash, I would have choose Duncan over Nash. The Spurs lost the series because Ginobili's idiotic foul. Duncan was great in the playoffs. But Nash reached to the conference finals without Amare and he deserves to be called more valuable than Duncan in 2006 playoffs.

Although, I picked my MVPs from the best player on a championship team 7 times out of 10, the posted lists are related to the title team way too much for my taste. I mean how can Parker was more of a MVP than Nash in 2007 playoffs?..

[ArbitraryWater]

Why shouldnt 2013/2014 Posters be able to vote? Makes no sense, fix it.

Kobe 2001? Wow fpliii, that's just wrong.
Same for Ben Wallace and 2 more Pistons in 2004 (Mark Madsen). Let's just go ahead and crown the best players on the best team right away then. I mean, duh, Rip or Sheed weren't even close to Garnett, Duncan or Shaq. :wtf:

2000: Shaq -
2001: Shaq - Duncan - Allen
2002: Shaq - Duncan -
2003: Duncan - Shaq - Dirk
2004: Garnett - Duncan - Shaq
2005: Nash - Duncan - Wade (Shaq/Dirk next)
2006: Wade - Dirk - Duncan (Kobe next.)
2007: LeBron. (And his wasn't even special)
2008: Kobe - Paul - Garnett
2009: LeBron - Kobe - Dirk (Howard next)


2010's:

2010: Kobe/LeBron
2011: Dirk - LeBron - Wade
2012: LeBron - Durant - Rondo
2013: LeBron - Hibbert -

2001, Yes, Allen. You actually think I'm taking Iverson who shot 39%? 39%? I'd take Kobe next. In fact I would have him 2nd or 3rd if he hadn't shot 41% in the Finals.

2002: No one else is worthy of a mention. That's why ranking stuff in "tiers" is actually a great idea. Simply no one else was worthy of a 3rd spot, no one else came close to that level of play. I mean, all the other 3rd places would be screwed because they did much more to earn their spot. Lets say we'd assing a 1-100 value, these two would be in the low 90's, especially Shaq, but nobody else would knock 80-85.
Same for 2007, no one had that great of a run, LBJ's wouldnt be top 3 any other year. Duncan shooting 45% in the finals against the cavs? Parker who was mediocre other rounds? Wade/Kobe/Dirk only played 1R, Garnett didnt make the playoffs, Shaq done, LeBron dragged a piss poor team to the finals, but it was a result of a weak conference, dude had one of his worse years.
2000, nobody else comes close to Shaq or a great run like the 2nd best should have.
Why do I sometimes wrote who came next? Because I feel their level was still relatively close, similar tier.


BTW, for the Playoffs, MVP basically means=Best Player, right? I mean, everything else wouldn't make much sense. This makes it really hard. Its just 4 rounds, and who would deserve it as 3rd placed in 2012 or 2013? I mean, Paul? Acknlowdged to be the guy right behind the LeBron/Durant tandem, didnt really do much in the playoffs or received any attention... so who should it be? A 45% shooting Tony Parker? Seriously for 2013, Roy Hibbert would actually make the most sense for 2nd BEST PLAYER! Cant take Durant shooting 42% in the 2R.. or should we take the guy from the next beast team/conference finals looser team. A grizzle in 2013? None of them make any sense. I mean, Marc Gasol? This shit is tricky.

I like the Idea though. Regular Season MVP (Best Player?), Playoffs MVP/Best Player, Finals MVP/Best Player. In fact, make a Season MVP combining it all. RS&PO, Finals being a part of PO anyway, just deserving extra recognition as it is the last round to the title.



In fact, I would take that "Needs to win 1 Series" thing out. None of that. Everybody knows how beastly that one series would need to be for him to be named Playoffs MVP. Would still be quite ridiculous, but just to make it with no extra rules. Heck I wouldnt take Jordan 1986 and he had like the GOAT 1st Round.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll play, even if it doesn't count:

2000 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. Reggie
2001 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. AI
2002 1. Shaq 2. Kobe 3. Kidd
2003 1. Duncan 2. Kidd 3. Dirk
2004 1. KG 2. Billups 3. Shaq
2005 1. Duncan 2. Wade 3. Manu
2006 1. Wade 2. Dirk 3. Duncan
2007 1. Duncan 2. LeBron 3. Parker
2008 1. Kobe 2. KG 3. Pierce
2009 1. Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Howard

48 - Kobe
41 - Shaq
41 - Duncan
20 - KG
20 - Wade
16 - LeBron
13 - Kidd
13 - Dirk
8 - Billups
5 - Reggie
5 - Manu
5 - AI
5 - Pierce

Kobe in 2000? Are you aware that he was a legit role player? That he averaged 21 Points on 44%? Thats good enough for 2nd place? Shot 36% in the Finals? Wow he's gonna take it, easy.
Put Austin Croshere in there please. A bum who outplayed Kobe in the Finals.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTgObyJCQAA_Cdz.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

00: Shaq/Duncan/Miller
01: Shaq(Finals)/Kobe(Western Conference series)/Iverson
02: Shaq/Kobe/Duncan
03: Duncan/Kobe/Kidd
04: KG/Shaq/Billups
05: Duncan/Manu/Wallace
06: Dirk/Wade/Nash
07: Duncan/Nash/Lebron
08: Kobe/KG/Pierce
09: Kobe/Lebron/Howard
10: Kobe/Gasol/Rondo

Duncan didnt even play in the 2000 playoffs... please dont list some BS you dont even know about but actually do some research first, seems to be needed.

[NumberSix]

Is there any point if all you're going to do is pick the FMVP of each year?

[ArbitraryWater]

Is there any point if all you're going to do is pick the FMVP of each year?

If thats the case and happened to be accurate, then why not. I do think some ppl are reaching with a Piston in 2004, Garnett 2008 (Kobe) or Kobe 2009 (LeBron). 2007 didnt have many great options however.

[SexSymbol]

Why shouldnt 2013/2014 Posters be able to vote? Makes no sense, fix it.

Kobe 2001? Wow fpliii, that's just wrong.
Same for Ben Wallace and 2 more Pistons in 2004 (Mark Madsen). Let's just go ahead and crown the best players on the best team right away then. I mean, duh, Rip or Sheed weren't even close to Garnett, Duncan or Shaq. :wtf:

2000: Shaq -
2001: Shaq - Duncan - Allen
2002: Shaq - Duncan -
2003: Duncan - Shaq - Dirk
2004: Garnett - Duncan - Shaq
2005: Nash - Duncan - Wade (Shaq/Dirk next)
2006: Wade - Dirk - Duncan (Kobe next.)
2007: LeBron. (And his wasn't even special)
2008: Kobe - Paul - Garnett
2009: LeBron - Kobe - Dirk (Howard next)


2010's:

2010: Kobe/LeBron
2011: Dirk - LeBron - Wade
2012: LeBron - Durant - Rondo
2013: LeBron - Hibbert -

2001, Yes, Allen. You actually think I'm taking Iverson who shot 39%? 39%? I'd take Kobe next. In fact I would have him 2nd or 3rd if he hadn't shot 41% in the Finals.

2002: No one else is worthy of a mention. That's why ranking stuff in "tiers" is actually a great idea. Simply no one else was worthy of a 3rd spot, no one else came close to that level of play. I mean, all the other 3rd places would be screwed because they did much more to earn their spot. Lets say we'd assing a 1-100 value, these two would be in the low 90's, especially Shaq, but nobody else would knock 80-85.
Same for 2007, no one had that great of a run, LBJ's wouldnt be top 3 any other year. Duncan shooting 45% in the finals against the cavs? Parker who was mediocre other rounds? Wade/Kobe/Dirk only played 1R, Garnett didnt make the playoffs, Shaq done, LeBron dragged a piss poor team to the finals, but it was a result of a weak conference, dude had one of his worse years.
2000, nobody else comes close to Shaq or a great run like the 2nd best should have.
Why do I sometimes wrote who came next? Because I feel their level was still relatively close, similar tier.


BTW, for the Playoffs, MVP basically means=Best Player, right? I mean, everything else wouldn't make much sense. This makes it really hard. Its just 4 rounds, and who would deserve it as 3rd placed in 2012 or 2013? I mean, Paul? Acknlowdged to be the guy right behind the LeBron/Durant tandem, didnt really do much in the playoffs or received any attention... so who should it be? A 45% shooting Tony Parker? Seriously for 2013, Roy Hibbert would actually make the most sense for 2nd BEST PLAYER! Cant take Durant shooting 42% in the 2R.. or should we take the guy from the next beast team/conference finals looser team. A grizzle in 2013? None of them make any sense. I mean, Marc Gasol? This shit is tricky.

I like the Idea though. Regular Season MVP (Best Player?), Playoffs MVP/Best Player, Finals MVP/Best Player. In fact, make a Season MVP combining it all. RS&PO, Finals being a part of PO anyway, just deserving extra recognition as it is the last round to the title.



In fact, I would take that "Needs to win 1 Series" thing out. None of that. Everybody knows how beastly that one series would need to be for him to be named Playoffs MVP. Would still be quite ridiculous, but just to make it with no extra rules. Heck I wouldnt take Jordan 1986 and he had like the GOAT 1st Round.
A joke of a list

[ArbitraryWater]

A joke of a list

I wont debate 2007&2009 with you, its obvious you have an agenda against LeBron.

2001: Ray Allen carries a Milwaukee Bucks team to the ECF with his next best player being Sam Cassell. The Rest are Role Players. Missing the Finals by a hair.
Of course Stern wanted dem rates in the finals, meaning Kobe/Shaq vs Iverson

However Allen thoroughly outplayed Iverson and Kobe.

25/4/6 on 48% ? The best case.

2005? You would have Duncan over Nash? Why is Duncan allowed to shoot a poor % where its the constant knock on Kobe? Duncan shot 46% in the Playoffs and 42% in the Finals... Nash on the other hand, team's best playmaker, scorer and most efficient player, carried his team to the conference finals with epic games. 24 PPG on 52%, with 11 assists and 5 rebounds?!

Doesnt look like much of a joke to me.. more like you didnt look it up and thought Duncan converted on his usual 50+% ish... where in fact he was pretty inefficient.

[SexSymbol]

I wont debate 2007&2009 with you, its obvious you have an agenda against LeBron.

2001: Ray Allen carries a Milwaukee Bucks team to the ECF with his next best player being Sam Cassell. The Rest are Role Players. Missing the Finals by a hair.
Of course Stern wanted dem rates in the finals, meaning Kobe/Shaq vs Iverson

However Allen thoroughly outplayed Iverson and Kobe.

25/4/6 on 48% ? The best case.

2005? You would have Duncan over Nash? Why is Duncan allowed to shoot a poor % where its the constant knock on Kobe? Duncan shot 46% in the Playoffs and 42% in the Finals... Nash on the other hand, team's best playmaker, scorer and most efficient player, carried his team to the conference finals with epic games. 24 PPG on 52%, with 11 assists and 5 rebounds?!

Doesnt look like much of a joke to me.. more like you didnt look it up and thought Duncan converted on his usual 50+% ish... where in fact he was pretty inefficient.
I don't have an agenda against LeBron.
Kobe playing great defense on Iverson deserves to be at the very least third that year, and that's only if you hate him with all your heart, he has a case for 1st
HE CARRIED THAT TEAM IN THE ****ING EAST, Kobe would go to the finals every single year in that joke of a conference east, god damn. And Cassell was a scrub or something that you feel the need to downplay him? Nikka looked awful, but he could ball.
05 is easily Duncan, it's not about percentage, when was the last time Nash played defense lol.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't have an agenda against LeBron.
Kobe playing great defense on Iverson deserves to be at the very least third that year, and that's only if you hate him with all your heart, he has a case for 1st
HE CARRIED THAT TEAM IN THE ****ING EAST, Kobe would go to the finals every single year in that joke of a conference east, god damn. And Cassell was a scrub or something that you feel the need to downplay him? Nikka looked awful, but he could ball.
05 is easily Duncan, it's not about percentage, when was the last time Nash played defense lol.

:lol From 2000-2004 maybe, because of Shaq that is. Not if he's the team's leader. Neither from 2005-2007... Where did I downplay Cassell? :biggums:

Case for 1st? Dude sort that shit out. There is no way Kobe > Shaq, ridiculous.

I dont think we can simply use the "defense" all the time. Does that make it like a given, and impossible for Nash to play better? What else does he need to do? I considered the defense, but feel the difference in efficieny makes it too big of a disparity.

[SexSymbol]

:lol From 2000-2004 maybe, because of Shaq that is. Not if he's the team's leader. Neither from 2005-2007... Where did I downplay Cassell? :biggums:

Case for 1st? Dude sort that shit out. There is no way Kobe > Shaq, ridiculous.

I dont think we can simply use the "defense" all the time. Does that make it like a given, and impossible for Nash to play better? What else does he need to do? I considered the defense, but feel the difference in efficieny makes it too big of a disparity.
Efficiency doesn't mean so much when you're playing against defensive teams, you lack simple understanding of basketball. Duncan was infinitely better than Nash that year. His defense alone impacted the game more than Nash's overall play, and I love Nash to death

[fpliii]

Why shouldnt 2013/2014 Posters be able to vote? Makes no sense, fix it.

Kobe 2001? Wow fpliii, that's just wrong.
Same for Ben Wallace and 2 more Pistons in 2004 (Mark Madsen). Let's just go ahead and crown the best players on the best team right away then. I mean, duh, Rip or Sheed weren't even close to Garnett, Duncan or Shaq. :wtf:

2000: Shaq -
2001: Shaq - Duncan - Allen
2002: Shaq - Duncan -
2003: Duncan - Shaq - Dirk
2004: Garnett - Duncan - Shaq
2005: Nash - Duncan - Wade (Shaq/Dirk next)
2006: Wade - Dirk - Duncan (Kobe next.)
2007: LeBron. (And his wasn't even special)
2008: Kobe - Paul - Garnett
2009: LeBron - Kobe - Dirk (Howard next)


2010's:

2010: Kobe/LeBron
2011: Dirk - LeBron - Wade
2012: LeBron - Durant - Rondo
2013: LeBron - Hibbert -

2001, Yes, Allen. You actually think I'm taking Iverson who shot 39%? 39%? I'd take Kobe next. In fact I would have him 2nd or 3rd if he hadn't shot 41% in the Finals.

2002: No one else is worthy of a mention. That's why ranking stuff in "tiers" is actually a great idea. Simply no one else was worthy of a 3rd spot, no one else came close to that level of play. I mean, all the other 3rd places would be screwed because they did much more to earn their spot. Lets say we'd assing a 1-100 value, these two would be in the low 90's, especially Shaq, but nobody else would knock 80-85.
Same for 2007, no one had that great of a run, LBJ's wouldnt be top 3 any other year. Duncan shooting 45% in the finals against the cavs? Parker who was mediocre other rounds? Wade/Kobe/Dirk only played 1R, Garnett didnt make the playoffs, Shaq done, LeBron dragged a piss poor team to the finals, but it was a result of a weak conference, dude had one of his worse years.
2000, nobody else comes close to Shaq or a great run like the 2nd best should have.
Why do I sometimes wrote who came next? Because I feel their level was still relatively close, similar tier.


BTW, for the Playoffs, MVP basically means=Best Player, right? I mean, everything else wouldn't make much sense. This makes it really hard. Its just 4 rounds, and who would deserve it as 3rd placed in 2012 or 2013? I mean, Paul? Acknlowdged to be the guy right behind the LeBron/Durant tandem, didnt really do much in the playoffs or received any attention... so who should it be? A 45% shooting Tony Parker? Seriously for 2013, Roy Hibbert would actually make the most sense for 2nd BEST PLAYER! Cant take Durant shooting 42% in the 2R.. or should we take the guy from the next beast team/conference finals looser team. A grizzle in 2013? None of them make any sense. I mean, Marc Gasol? This shit is tricky.

I like the Idea though. Regular Season MVP (Best Player?), Playoffs MVP/Best Player, Finals MVP/Best Player. In fact, make a Season MVP combining it all. RS&PO, Finals being a part of PO anyway, just deserving extra recognition as it is the last round to the title.



In fact, I would take that "Needs to win 1 Series" thing out. None of that. Everybody knows how beastly that one series would need to be for him to be named Playoffs MVP. Would still be quite ridiculous, but just to make it with no extra rules. Heck I wouldnt take Jordan 1986 and he had like the GOAT 1st Round.
Just my initial thoughts, that likely isn't (and won't be) my final list. Shaq is my favorite player all-time, so I'm not biased against him.

[Odinn]

Just my initial thoughts, that likely isn't (and won't be) my final list. Shaq is my favorite player all-time, so I'm not biased against him.
Did you take a look on my list?

[fpliii]

Did you take a look on my list?
Yeah, glanced at it (probably will be able to give better commentary after completing my research). What were your primary criteria when choosing guys?

[Odinn]

Yeah, glanced at it (probably will be able to give better commentary after completing my research). What were your primary criteria when choosing guys?
It's the classical criteria of MVP award. How would that team do without a player. But to measure the true impact, I didn't restrict with just playoff time basketball. I mean, if Nash wasn't playing for the Suns in 2006, they wouldn't be in the playoffs, let alone the WCF.

Of course, I consider the performances that made a huge impact on the runs. I ranked Kobe in top 3 in 2000 and 2001 but didn't do it for 2002. And there is no argument for Kobe being a better player in 2000 than 2002. But big games, big performances, impacting the outcome. I cared about them much, too.