The Official Kevin Durant vs Lebron James everything related thread

[HoopsFanNumero1]

We all remember last season when Durant was considered to be the MVP near the ASG but then he went into a slump for the second half of the season as Lebron easily overtook him. Is today the day that Durant's hot streak finishes and Lebron's begins?

[Lebron23]

Durant is still ahead of the race, but I think Lebron is gonna finish the season by averaging 27/8/8 on 58 FG%.

[branslowski]

No. Maybe next year Bran.

[Ancient Legend]

I think they will still give it to KD, he deserves it. Both players are on another level.

[BlackVVaves]

We'll have to wait and see

[Lebron23]

I think they will still give it to KD, he deserves it. Both players are on another level.


All Star MVP is a good consolation prize in the regular season. Finals MVP is Lebron's no.1 goal.

[Droid101]

So bran has a good game against a lottery team with terrible defense, and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon?

This forum sucks.

[TMT]

So bran has a good game against a lottery team with terrible defense, and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon?

This forum sucks.

:lol With a fully healthy Heat squad around him nonetheless.

KD has still done more with less this season. Give him the MVP now.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Durant is still ahead of the race, but I think Lebron is gonna finish the season by averaging 27/8/8 on 58 FG%.

That's why I said eventually overtake.

[GOATbe]

Just cus he picked up a win against a shitty team?:facepalm On the most stacked of all time nonetheless.

There's a 0% chance Lebron wins MVP, KD singlehandedly destroyed him just a few days ago and will finish with the better team record with a far worse supporting cast.

[HoopDreams247]

If he wins MVP, then hopefully it'll be by putting up godly numbers and not by Durant regressing.

[sbw19]

Possibly, but if he's thinking that it's probably a game late.

[LA_Showtime]

All Star MVP is a good consolation prize in the regular season. Finals MVP is Lebron's no.1 goal.

He clearly still wants the regular season MVP, as he won't stop with the ridiculous comments.

[tmacattack33]

I doubt it.

Well KD will definitely come back down to earth, as you saw tonight, but Lebron will prob stay at this same level until the playoffs start.

And it's a very good and consistent level, where he is hardly ever going above 35 points but he's hardly ever going below 20 as well. And this keeps miami winning just enough to force Indiana to play all out if they want to be the one seed in the East.

[Lebron23]

If he wins MVP, then hopefully it'll be by putting up godly numbers and not by Durant regressing.


Durant is averaging 26 points in his last 2 games. I think his numbers might go down once westbrook returns from his injury.

[Leftimage]

So bran has a good game against a lottery team with terrible defense, and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon?

This forum sucks.

Lebron
Durant






Kobe

[DaOldLion]

Lebron's been the most dominant player in this new era :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

He clearly still wants the regular season MVP, as he won't stop with the ridiculous comments.


I think Lebron is intimidated by Durant's scoring performance during the month of january.

[Warfan]

Kd is easily the mvp but lebrons been playing well lately:
last 10 games 29/7/6 55fg%. If he picks up play to another level and the heat have more wins than the thunder and the most in the east (this may not be as important) he can win the mvp, though but its gonna be hard to do

[ripthekik]

So bran has a good game against a lottery team with terrible defense, and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon?

This forum sucks.
:lol

lebron does know when to statpad

[TMT]

I think Lebron is intimidated by Durant's scoring performance during the month of january.

Probably more intimidated from getting lit up by KD on his home court.

[All Net]

Only way he has a realistic shot if OKC slump in the 2nd half of the year and Durant form dips. Are either likely? not really.

[navy]

Only way he has a realistic shot if OKC slump in the 2nd half of the year and Durant form dips. Are either likely? not really.
I doubt OKC slips but I guarantee Durant will cool off and Westbrook will start eating shots

[All Net]

I doubt OKC slips but I guarantee Durant will cool off and Westbrook will start eating shots

He will cool off at some point yeah he is putting up GOAT numbers right now. With Westbrook back they should win games more easily too so he will get more rest.

[Lebron23]

Probably more intimidated from getting lit up by KD on his home court.


Just like what Lebron did to Timothy Duncan and to Kawhii Lenard in game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals.

[Illuminati]

If Durant averages drop back down to under 30ppg when Westbrook comes back and Miami finishes the season with a better record than OKC. I think LeBron will win #5.

[russwest0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BfzrUwTu0

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TMT]

Just like what Ray Allen did to Timothy Duncan and that Kawhii Lenard in game 6 of the 2013 NBA Finals.

Fixed.

Stick to the subject, homer.

[Illuminati]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BfzrUwTu0

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Retard video. LeBron did a similar spin move the play before Durant and made the shot. So that means Durant copied LeBron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BfzrUwTu0

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/6exfg5y.gif

[russwest0]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/6exfg5y.gif

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but damn LeBron, don't make it look so ugly :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Either stick to moves you can do or don't do them at all

[Heavincent]

Lebron puts up 30 points against a garbage team, so now he's beginning his MVP campaign...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif

[MichaelCorleone]

It begins.

[ripthekik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-BfzrUwTu0

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol

[Fudge]

Even if he's been playing like he has been for the past 5 games throughout the rest of the season, he still won't get it. :oldlol: Durant ran away with it from their last matchup.

[JT123]

Lebron puts up 30 points against a garbage team, so now he's beginning his MVP campaign...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif
Garbage team my butt. The Knicks have been on a roll as of late.

[Black and White]

Heat fans still holding onto that "coasting" argument I see..

[orange_chicken]

KD is MVP this season not Bran

[Droid101]

Garbage team my butt. The Knicks have been on a roll as of late.
...

They are 5-5 in the last 10 before this game. So now they're 4-6 in their last ten.

What a roll!

[dunksby]

I doubt KD cools off as in dropping to some 25 PPG for the rest of the season as some are suggesting. I mean that would be a slump for KD not cooling off, so many still underrate Durant's skills it's incredible. Worst case scenario he is gonna average 28/7/5 for the rest of the season, I personally believe Durant is far from done with this league.

[215Philly]

Lebron honestly doesn't need anymore MVPs. He's like Peyton Manning, all about rings

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ae5929c4cb157ae66f45840575fa0a7f/tumblr_mji42eijPx1s7juhuo1_250.gif

[Leftimage]

I doubt KD cools off as in dropping to some 25 PPG for the rest of the season as some are suggesting.

Yes but that is traditionally what happens when you get a large share of points off jumpshots. All you need is to go ''cold'' for a few games and that ppg plummets (especially when we're talking 30+)

I mean had you asked last week if this edition of KD was still susceptible to 7/21, sub-30 point shooting nights - most would have said no.

Mind you, I find 25 a bit low, but his career average (around 27) for the rest of the season sounds about right. (taking into account westbrook's return)

[Fresh Kid]

http://media.ksbitv.com/images/Kevin%2BDurant%2BSmiling%2B320.jpg

[pauk]

It could easily happen, Lebron is still very close, same thing happened past two seasons where KD was #1 on MVP race midseason.

[Fresh Kid]

Its not impossible, same thing happened past two seasons where KD was #1 on MVP race midseason.
KD should of won in 2012 and Melo should of won in 2013.

[All Net]

...

They are 5-5 in the last 10 before this game. So now they're 4-6 in their last ten.

What a roll!

:lol

[INDI]

We all remember last season when Durant was considered to be the MVP near the ASG but then he went into a slump for the second half of the season as Lebron easily overtook him. Is today the day that Durant's hot streak finishes and Lebron's begins?

I doubt it. With that hypothetical situation it can be any body's mvp. The pacers can go the rest of the season with only 1 extra loss and PG gets it. CP3 can come back n the clips dominate and he can get it.

This year is Durant's year bar something catastrophic happening. Even if Bron out plays him second half I still believe Durant will squeeze it out.

Don't forget that Durant himself can raise his level of play also

[K Xerxes]

It could easily happen, Lebron is still very close, same thing happened past two seasons where KD was #1 on MVP race midseason.

This is absolutely NOT the situation. KD was marginally the leader midseason and LeBron stepped it up both times, but the gap was very much surmountable.

KD has a vice grip on the MVP this season with some unprecedented stuff. LeBron doesn't really have a shot.

[russwest0]

This is absolutely NOT the situation. KD was marginally the leader midseason and LeBron stepped it up both times, but the gap was very much surmountable.

KD has a vice grip on the MVP this season with some unprecedented stuff. LeBron doesn't really have a shot.

This. The MVP race is locked up barring injury.

[Blue&Orange]

So bran has a good game against a lottery team with terrible defense, and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon?

This forum sucks.
Worse, it was again a blatant display of what he is about, passing wide open jumpers 1st half, missing free throws, garbage time goes on a scoring rampage.


:bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

It's possible.

LeBron always starts getting better in February.

Durant always gets worse and remains in that state until he chokes his way out of the playoffs.

[russwest0]

LeBron in his prime with two other all stars (one of them being a FMVP) = Underdog

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What does it say about the dude that people still don't believe he can get the job done

[BlazerRed]

LeBron in his prime with two other all stars (one of them being a FMVP) = Underdog

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What does it say about the dude that people still don't believe he can get the job done

Dude is in his prime and has just been passed by the new alpha-dog on the block (who mind you is only 25 years old). Lebron was expected to hold the roost for a few years longer, but even his stans know he's been kicked out of the hen house prematurely. They need a way to justify his inevitable short-comings this post season. If that works for them, that's fine, but one day they will just have to wake up and admit to themselves, "boy, Lebron sucks willy".

[NumberSix]

People have short memories. Nobody will care about Durant's hot streak in January if he finishes the season weak. It will be about as big of a deal as CP3's and Love strong start of the season.

[Andrei89]

Did that Fresh Kid moron just say that Melo deserved MVP in 2013?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Terrible poster

[chazzy]

It could easily happen, Lebron is still very close, same thing happened past two seasons where KD was #1 on MVP race midseason.
It's not very close right now

[NumberSix]

Stats from the floor....

22.4/7.6/5.3 on 51.2%
20.6/6.8/6.4 on 58%

Deuxrant attempts 3.2 more field goals a game for 1.8 more points. In total he has attempted 200 more field goals for an extra 148 points.


Not close, huh?

[KG215]

I doubt it.

Well KD will definitely come back down to earth, as you saw tonight, but Lebron will prob stay at this same level until the playoffs start.

And it's a very good and consistent level, where he is hardly ever going above 35 points but he's hardly ever going below 20 as well. And this keeps miami winning just enough to force Indiana to play all out if they want to be the one seed in the East.
You do realize (and this goes out to the other LeBrons stans who have said similar things since last night) that last night wasn't the real Durant, correct? That wasn't him coming back down to earth to his "normal" self. A 26 points, 8/21 shooting game isn't the real Durant. That was a tired Durant on the second night of a road back-to-back and at the end of an east coast road trip.

[Leftimage]

Pre-February Lebron:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Bauvd5O1H8A/UtDDeXz1VTI/AAAAAAAAAB0/Ttl1e66kcCI/s1600/lebduck.gif

February Lebron:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/08/lebron2.gif

Watch out haters

[NumberSix]

You do realize (and this goes out to the other LeBrons stans who have said similar things since last night) that last night wasn't the real Durant, correct? That wasn't him coming back down to earth to his "normal" self. A 26 points, 8/21 shooting game isn't the real Durant. That was a tired Durant on the second night of a road back-to-back and at the end of an east coast road trip.
Actually, last night was more consistent with Durant's career than the last one month stretch.

[KG215]

It could easily happen, Lebron is still very close, same thing happened past two seasons where KD was #1 on MVP race midseason.
No, this isn't very close right now, or at least it really shouldn't be. Durant has led his team to the best record in a MUCH tougher conference without Westbrook for 22 of their 49 games. As a whole, Durant's numbers are better than LeBron's and, the capper at this point, Durant (slightly) outplayed and beat LeBron, on LeBron's home floor, in decisive fashion without Westbrook.

It was close last year at this point before LeBron's historic February, yes, but this year it's nowhere near as close. Durant has the statistical edge, team record edge, and the narrative edge on his side right now.

[KG215]

Actually, last night was more consistent with Durant's career than the last one month stretch.
26 points on 38% shooting? Come on man, I know you don't like Durant, but you're better than that. Even with Westbrook the last several years he's averaged 28 PPG on around 50% shooting.

I'm not saying he's a full-time 36 PPG on 54% shooting player without Russ, but he's at least a 31-33 PPG scorer on around 48%-50% shooting without Westbrook over the course of an entire season, so no, that wasn't really closer to the real Durant (without Russ) at this point in his career.

[KG215]

Yes but that is traditionally what happens when you get a large share of points off jumpshots. All you need is to go ''cold'' for a few games and that ppg plummets (especially when we're talking 30+)

I mean had you asked last week if this edition of KD was still susceptible to 7/21, sub-30 point shooting nights - most would have said no.

Mind you, I find 25 a bit low, but his career average (around 27) for the rest of the season sounds about right. (taking into account westbrook's return)
You really have no idea what you're talking about. You're using Durant's career average to base what you want to believe to be true? The only reason Durant's career average isn't around 28-29 PPG is because he averaged 20 PPG as a rookie. Nevermind the ridiculous logic that goes behind that line of thinking. Right now Durant is in the heart of his prime, so no, he's really not a 27 PPG scorer at this point in his career, especially without Westbrook since he has more shots at his disposal.

I get it, LeBron stans want to believe what Durant just did over the last month and change was a fluke or a hot streak, and it was to some extent, but it was a "hot streak" that lasted 19 games. Since December 27th, through the Nets game two nights ago (January 31st), he averaged 36-7-6-2-1 on 55/43/88 shooting. So to suggest that Durant, especially without Westbrook, is likely going to settle down and be something around a 27 PPG scorer just sounds a little over the top.

[Fudge]

Durant ran away with it a while ago.

[Leftimage]

Durant ran away with it a while ago.

Just a reminder of what LBJ did last February.

29.7 points, 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.8 steals, 64.1 percent shooting from the field, 43.2 percent from three, 8.5 free-throw attempts per game, a 12-1 record with the Miami Heat

Durant is definitely in the lead but not out of the woods quite yet.

Another Feb like the one above and Lebron's averages for the year will be 28/7/7 on 60% shooting...

[Prometheus]

Just cus he picked up a win against a shitty team?:facepalm On the most stacked of all time nonetheless.

There's a 0% chance Lebron wins MVP, KD singlehandedly destroyed him just a few days ago and will finish with the better team record with a far worse supporting cast.

dude change your avatar you ph@ggot

[Prometheus]

KD should of won in 2012 and Melo should of won in 2013.

I can't put into words how stupid this is

[Doctor Rivers]

Actually, last night was more consistent with Durant's career than the last one month stretch.

you're a clown

[Illuminati]

You do realize (and this goes out to the other LeBrons stans who have said similar things since last night) that last night wasn't the real Durant, correct? That wasn't him coming back down to earth to his "normal" self. A 26 points, 8/21 shooting game isn't the real Durant. That was a tired Durant on the second night of a road back-to-back and at the end of an east coast road trip.

Let's not act like Durant played all 48 minutes against the Nets. He only played 30 minutes and was well rested for the next game. That shouldn't be an excuse.

[SexSymbol]

He doesn't really have a shot at this point, barring injury, or a complete fall-off to 20 ppg the rest of the season, Durant should be an unanimous MVP.
Unless LeBron goes on a 35 ppg, the it should be close.

[KG215]

Let's not act like Durant played all 48 minutes against the Nets. He only played 30 minutes and was well rested for the next game. That shouldn't be an excuse.
Fine, so let's not act like that wasn't OKC's 8th game in 12 nights, their second or third back-to-back in that stretch, and their 5th or 6th game of an east coast road trip. It wasn't just being on the second night of a back-to-back, it was likely the totality of all those things. I mean it seems pretty obvious something was off with OKC last night, no? Losing by 15 and only scoring 81 points? I know the Wizards are a good, talented team who have given other contenders/good teams trouble this year, but there was definitely something else playing a factor in OKC's putrid play in the game.

[BuffaloBill]

It's possible but he has a lot of work to do if he wants to catch up.

[Fudge]

Just a reminder of what LBJ did last February.

29.7 points, 7.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.8 steals, 64.1 percent shooting from the field, 43.2 percent from three, 8.5 free-throw attempts per game, a 12-1 record with the Miami Heat

Durant is definitely in the lead but not out of the woods quite yet.

Another Feb like the one above and Lebron's averages for the year will be 28/7/7 on 60% shooting...
And Durant JUST averaged 36/6/6/1/2 on 55/44/89 splits in Jan. Your point? LeBron would have to be even greater this month than he was last Feb to even be back in the race. Consider their h2h matchups as well, another main reason LBJ ran away with it last year was because the Heat trounced on OKC in their matchups.

OKC's won ONE already WITHOUT their 2nd best player. That should heavily be taken into account.

[Leftimage]

You really have no idea what you're talking about. You're using Durant's career average to base what you want to believe to be true? The only reason Durant's career average isn't around 28-29 PPG is because he averaged 20 PPG as a rookie. Nevermind the ridiculous logic that goes behind that line of thinking. Right now Durant is in the heart of his prime, so no, he's really not a 27 PPG scorer at this point in his career, especially without Westbrook since he has more shots at his disposal.

I get it, LeBron stans want to believe what Durant just did over the last month and change was a fluke or a hot streak, and it was to some extent, but it was a "hot streak" that lasted 19 games. Since December 27th, through the Nets game two nights ago (January 31st), he averaged 36-7-6-2-1 on 55/43/88 shooting. So to suggest that Durant, especially without Westbrook, is likely going to settle down and be something around a 27 PPG scorer just sounds a little over the top.

If next year Durant scores less than this year, that won't necessarily mean he declined. Typically, ppg will hit a plateau around Durant's current age - then FG%, team record, accolades tend to creep up.

So I don't know whats so insulting about my prediction of Durant going roughly 27ppg the rest of the season. If he does so on great % and his team performs superbly, then he'll probably be a deserving MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

People have short memories. Nobody will care about Durant's hot streak in January if he finishes the season weak. It will be about as big of a deal as CP3's and Love strong start of the season.

This. Watch out for LeBron to have a strong next week beating plenty top teams, while OKC gets a loss here and there with KD scoring 25-28, and suddenly LeBron leads the MVP Ladder...

[ArbitraryWater]

Pre-February Lebron:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Bauvd5O1H8A/UtDDeXz1VTI/AAAAAAAAAB0/Ttl1e66kcCI/s1600/lebduck.gif

February Lebron:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/08/lebron2.gif

Watch out haters


:oldlol: :applause:

[KG215]

And Durant JUST averaged 36/6/6/1/2 on 55/44/89 splits in Jan. Your point? LeBron would have to be even greater this month than he was last Feb to even be back in the race. Consider their h2h matchups as well, another main reason LBJ ran away with it last year was because the Heat trounced on OKC in their matchups.

OKC's won ONE already WITHOUT their 2nd best player. That should heavily be taken into account.
At Miami, no less, and they won the game decisively. Yes, OKC's/Durant's role players out played LeBron's and Miami's, but given how well Durant played in the win (and yes, LeBron played well, too) the narrative is still going to be Durant beat and outplayed LeBron in Miami in a blowout win without Westbrook.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pre-February Lebron:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Bauvd5O1H8A/UtDDeXz1VTI/AAAAAAAAAB0/Ttl1e66kcCI/s1600/lebduck.gif

February Lebron:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/08/lebron2.gif

Watch out haters
:applause:

[Leftimage]

He doesn't really have a shot at this point, barring injury, or a complete fall-off to 20 ppg the rest of the season, Durant should be an unanimous MVP.
Unless LeBron goes on a 35 ppg, the it should be close.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if the season ended tomorrow Durant would NOT be unanimous. He would win by a healthy margin, but Lebron's brand is very well established at this point, and some voters would still find his campaign to have been better.

I'm not saying its right, just putting it out there as a forewarning (remembering that even Lebron wasn't unanimous last season - Melo got a 1st place vote via Knicks-level disillusionment.)

[SexSymbol]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if the season ended tomorrow Durant would NOT be unanimous. He would win by a healthy margin, but Lebron's brand is very well established at this point, and some voters would still find his campaign to have been better.

I'm not saying its right, just putting it out there as a forewarning (remembering that even Lebron wasn't unanimous last season - Melo got a 1st place vote via Knicks-level disillusionment.)
Melo deserved a few votes doe.
Durant is obviously the very best this year and it's not even close. I know he's gonna get a few votes because of media bias, maybe even 30-40 percent of it, but durant should be unanimous at this point

[SamuraiSWISH]

As for the OP, Durant has this year's MVP in the bag. Deserved too. LeBron was saving himself for his 4th Finals appearance anyway. His focus shouldn't be on his 5th MVP. Let Durant get some, eating up the regular season.

Bron is good in the MVP department to begin with. Only people with more are just Jordan and Kareem. That's absurd.

Where he is lacking all time however is in the rings department. He's sitting on 1.5 or 2 depending who you talk to about championships. And given his Finals failures. That should be his focus from here on out.

[Bandito]

Lebron stans are scared. Be afraid, be very afraid...

[zoom17]

Lebron stans are scared. Be afraid, be very afraid...

:kobe:

[KG215]

This. Watch out for LeBron to have a strong next week beating plenty top teams, while OKC gets a loss here and there with KD scoring 25-28, and suddenly LeBron leads the MVP Ladder...
:facepalm

It's more than likely going to take more than one week of Lebron putting up big numbers and Durant tailing off a little bit for LeBron to overtake Durant on the MVP ladder or any other MVP ranking at this point.

For the most part, what Durant does from here until Westbrook's return is gravy. He's built up so much momentum and good fortune during the first 20 games without Westbrook, it's going to take some VERY drastic and something that lasts over a several week period for him to fall off the top of the MVP ladder.

But if LeBron stans want to keep pushing this narrative that Durant is all of a sudden going to drop off for the next one, two, or three weeks to 25-28 PPG, more power to ya. This is a career 28 PPG (in his prime) without Westbrook, so odds are he's still going to average 30-33 PPG even if he falls off from his absurd 36 PPG January.

[KG215]

If next year Durant scores less than this year, that won't necessarily mean he declined. Typically, ppg will hit a plateau around Durant's current age - then FG%, team record, accolades tend to creep up.

So I don't know whats so insulting about my prediction of Durant going roughly 27ppg the rest of the season. If he does so on great % and his team performs superbly, then he'll probably be a deserving MVP.
It's not insulting, it's pretty much VERY faulty logic at this point. This version of Durant, 25 years old at his athletic peak without another volume scorer/shooter by his side, is MUCH more than 27 PPG player. That's the problem I have with your post. There's absolutely zero tangible evidence that would lead anyone to believe Durant will average about 27 PPG from this point until the end of the season. For starters, he's going to et another 10 or so games without Westbrook in which he'll likely average somewhere between 30-35 PPG. Secondly, even over the last 3-4 years with Westbrook healthy, Durant has averaged 28+ PPG on excellent efficiency.

[Leftimage]

Secondly, even over the last 3-4 years with Westbrook healthy, Durant has averaged 28+ PPG on excellent efficiency.

So my post was devoid of logic because we're splitting hairs over 27ppg vs 28ppg ? The gist of what I was saying was:

1. He probably won't sustain his current numbers (with westbrook out) because this was, after all, a hot streak.

2. Once Westbrook returns KD will probably settle back into to his career average numbers. For Jimmy-rustling avoidance purposes - let's say he'll go back to 29ppg.

Should things actually play out this way - Lebron will still have a decent shot at getting back into MVP contention. Really depends what he'll do tbh.

Last year, Lebron ''locked up'' the award after his February performance. Not a knock on KD to say he hasn't locked things up with his respective ''month for the ages''. However, it IS 1 month earlier in the season.

I think if you take a step back and look at things objectively you'll realize that yes, it is quite bold & borderline cocky to think any player can have an MVP locked up in 45 games. It's insulting to the league tbh.

Now, the end of February is a little different - and if KD & Lebron are in the same positions when that time comes, I'll confidently back KD as MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

As for the OP, Durant has this year's MVP in the bag. Deserved too. LeBron was saving himself for his 4th Finals appearance anyway. His focus shouldn't be on his 5th MVP. Let Durant get some, eating up the regular season.

Bron is good in the MVP department to begin with. Only people with more are just Jordan and Kareem. That's absurd.

Where he is lacking all time however is in the rings department. He's sitting on 1.5 or 2 depending who you talk to about championships. And given his Finals failures. That should be his focus from here on out.

1.5? What the hell? Why is that?

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm

It's more than likely going to take more than one week of Lebron putting up big numbers and Durant tailing off a little bit for LeBron to overtake Durant on the MVP ladder or any other MVP ranking at this point.

For the most part, what Durant does from here until Westbrook's return is gravy. He's built up so much momentum and good fortune during the first 20 games without Westbrook, it's going to take some VERY drastic and something that lasts over a several week period for him to fall off the top of the MVP ladder.

But if LeBron stans want to keep pushing this narrative that Durant is all of a sudden going to drop off for the next one, two, or three weeks to 25-28 PPG, more power to ya. This is a career 28 PPG (in his prime) without Westbrook, so odds are he's still going to average 30-33 PPG even if he falls off from his absurd 36 PPG January.

Dude, believe me, I'm a KD Stan as you can see from my Avi, but LeBron could get this shit back very quickly.

[knicksman]

its like saying lebron would be greater than jordan coz even jordan couldnt beat that.

[KG215]

So my post was devoid of logic because we're splitting hairs over 27ppg vs 28ppg ? The gist of what I was saying was:

1. He probably won't sustain his current numbers (with westbrook out) because this was, after all, a hot streak.

2. Once Westbrook returns KD will probably settle back into to his career average numbers. For Jimmy-rustling avoidance purposes - let's say he'll go back to 29ppg.



Now, the end of February is a little different - and if KD & Lebron are in the same positions when that time comes, I'll confidently back KD as MVP.
I can't quite figure you out. At times you're blatantly and over the top, annoying LeBron stan. And I saw this post in another thread last night and it fell in line with what I thought of you.



Yup, after that streak ended and tonight's poor shooting, safe to say Durant is back to his normal self - the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Lebron.
But now you're doing a little bit of backtracking and actually sounding logical and level-headed.



1. He probably won't sustain his current numbers (with westbrook out) because this was, after all, a hot streak.
A hot streak that lasted 20 games and over a month. So, at some point, it became more than just a hot streak. You don't average 36-7-6-2-1 on 54/43/88 shooting for 20 games and it simply be "just a hot streak". At some point, it seems to me anyway, it becomes just as plausible that Durant at this point in his career, without Westbrook, is a 32ish PPG 48/38/88 (in that neighborhood) scorer on 6-8 RPG and 5-6 APG.


Should things actually play out this way - Lebron will still have a decent shot at getting back into MVP contention. Really depends what he'll do tbh.

Last year, Lebron ''locked up'' the award after his February performance. Not a knock on KD to say he hasn't locked things up with his respective ''month for the ages''. However, it IS 1 month earlier in the season.

I think if you take a step back and look at things objectively you'll realize that yes, it is quite bold & borderline cocky to think any player can have an MVP locked up in 45 games. It's insulting to the league tbh.
I'm not saying Durant has the MVP for sure locked up. However, LeBron does have more work to do this year than he did last year at his same point in the season where Durant was a slight leader at the end of January. For starters, that Westbrook-less decisive victory in Miami is going to mean more than it probably should. Secondly, Durant is just a flatout better player this year than last year. SO yes, LeBron getting back in and maybe even winning the race is possible, but it's going to take quite a bit more work than it took last year.

[KG215]

Dude, believe me, I'm a KD Stan as you can see from my Avi, but LeBron could get this shit back very quickly.
You're a KD stan but have LBJ = GOATS in your tagline or whatever? I just assumed you were one of those who lost the avy bet. Which is it?

[knicksman]

So my post was devoid of logic because we're splitting hairs over 27ppg vs 28ppg ? The gist of what I was saying was:

1. He probably won't sustain his current numbers (with westbrook out) because this was, after all, a hot streak.

2. Once Westbrook returns KD will probably settle back into to his career average numbers. For Jimmy-rustling avoidance purposes - let's say he'll go back to 29ppg.

Should things actually play out this way - Lebron will still have a decent shot at getting back into MVP contention. Really depends what he'll do tbh.

Last year, Lebron ''locked up'' the award after his February performance. Not a knock on KD to say he hasn't locked things up with his respective ''month for the ages''. However, it IS 1 month earlier in the season.

I think if you take a step back and look at things objectively you'll realize that yes, it is quite bold & borderline cocky to think any player can have an MVP locked up in 45 games. It's insulting to the league tbh.

Now, the end of February is a little different - and if KD & Lebron are in the same positions when that time comes, I'll confidently back KD as MVP.


thats how great durant is..locking mvps at 45 games with prime lebron as his competition

[ArbitraryWater]

You're a KD stan but have LBJ = GOATS in your tagline or whatever? I just assumed you were one of those who lost the avy bet. Which is it?

damn ppl read that shit? lol yea lost

[Le Shaqtus]

If Durant averages drop back down to under 30ppg when Westbrook comes back and Miami finishes the season with a better record than OKC. I think LeBron will win #5.

Under 30 ppg? He's not MJ. he can still average around 28 ppg and still win MVP.

[lilgodfather1]

Kd just flat out deserves the award at this point. Doesn't mean he won't lose it though. Injuries, a slump, Chuckbrook sighting. The more important thing for both of them should be getting the top seed. Not only will it improve their MVP chances, but it will improve their FMVP chances, which is more important.

I just can't see LBJ winning this year with that said. Nobody wants to give him 3 MVP's in a row.

[Lord Bean]

Lebron's got some work to do to re-establish himself as a top 4 player in this league. He'll get there, but it'll be very interesting to see how he goes about doing it.

[Black and White]

Lebron's got some work to do to re-establish himself as a top 4 player in this league. He'll get there, but it'll be very interesting to see how he goes about doing it.

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

26 points on 38% shooting? Come on man, I know you don't like Durant, but you're better than that. Even with Westbrook the last several years he's averaged 28 PPG on around 50% shooting.

I'm not saying he's a full-time 36 PPG on 54% shooting player without Russ, but he's at least a 31-33 PPG scorer on around 48%-50% shooting without Westbrook over the course of an entire season, so no, that wasn't really closer to the real Durant (without Russ) at this point in his career.
I actually was't referring to the percentage, which doesn't even matter. That doesn't even matter over a 1 game sample. It's pretty normal. If he made a mere 2 more shots, he'd be at 47.6%.

It's consistent with his career in that, some nights, you'll make a few more than your average, some nights you'll miss a few more than average.

I'm not saying it's normal for him to shoot 38% for a season. Just a game here and there. Same goes for LeBron. It's not out of the norm for him to have a 38% night here and there. It's normal. It's 1 game. In 1 game, the difference of 2 or 3 shots can be 10%-15%. FG% is not something you apply to a single game.

[Mure]

Lebron's got some work to do to re-establish himself as a top 4 player in this league. He'll get there, but it'll be very interesting to see how he goes about doing it.

:biggums:

[hahaitme]

Lebron's got some work to do to re-establish himself as a top 4 player in this league. He'll get there, but it'll be very interesting to see how he goes about doing it.

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[MichaelCorleone]

Lebron's got some work to do to re-establish himself as a top 4 player in this league. He'll get there, but it'll be very interesting to see how he goes about doing it.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Leftimage]

Has Lord Bean met Goran Dragon yet?

http://sa.aos.ask.com/us/tv/z2/the-odd-couple-2013.jpg

[SamuraiSWISH]

1.5? What the hell? Why is that?
Shortened season that saw massive amount of injuries to key players league wide, and he still plays on a team selectively chosen to be stacked with talent relative to the competition to win as easily as possible. Thus, to some, 1.5 championships.

[red1]

Shortened season that saw massive amount of injuries to key players league wide, and he still plays on a team selectively chosen to be stacked with talent relative to the competition to win as easily as possible. Thus, to some, 1.5 championships.
he had to deal with injuries on his own team as well, 1.65 rings at least

[MichaelCorleone]

Has Lord Bean met Goran Dragon yet?
Sure.:cheers:

[JebronLames]

Kevin durant reminds me of this year's Peyton manning.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LEBron will expose KDs frontrunning sooner or later:applause: :applause:

[KG215]

LEBron will expose KDs frontrunning sooner or later:applause: :applause:
112-95. At Miami. No Westbrook.

Durant: 33-7-5
LeBron: 34-3-3

He's off to a bad start.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

112-95. At Miami. No Westbrook.

Durant: 33-7-5
LeBron: 34-3-3

He's off to a bad start.
dont be to serious man:oldlol:
right now the MVP is clearly KDs and if he doesnt pull a MAJOR choke, which he is totally capable of doing, then he will get it this year:applause:
will be his only one doe:no:

[knicksman]

LEBron will expose KDs frontrunning sooner or later:applause: :applause:

yup the guy who scored only during garbage time

[Fudge]

He Percy Harvin'd this years MVP.

[KG215]

dont be to serious man:oldlol:
right now the MVP is clearly KDs and if he doesnt pull a MAJOR choke, which he is totally capable of doing, then he will get it this year:applause:
will be his only one doe:no:
Makes sense. Durant, who will be only 26 next year and ascending to his peak, is likely going to win just one MVP even though LeBron will turn 31 next year and, as of now, no other player in the league is really all that close to being on Durant's level.

With that said, I could see Paul George snagging an MVP at some point in the near future if Indiana keeps winning 60+ games and he puts up good numbers.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

:applause:

[Trollsmasher]

OP:applause:

[NumberSix]

Deuxrant = Tebow

[SavageMode]

:applause:

[Droid101]

We all remember last season when Durant was considered to be the MVP near the ASG but then he went into a slump for the second half of the season as Lebron easily overtook him. Is today the day that Durant's hot streak finishes and Lebron's begins?
:roll:

[pegasus]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[gin17]

yes, today is definitely the day

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron going for MVP of NJB.

[KendrickPerkins]

OP:applause:
:roll:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

It's happening again :applause:

[jlip]

It's happening again :applause:

The problem is Durant is still balling too. Durant's play is really going to have to fall off for Lebron to catch him in the MVP race.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ahh this the thread im talking about :applause:

http://yourstruly.bostonbiker.org/files/2013/09/its.happening.gif

[Illuminati]

The problem is Durant is still balling too. Durant's play is really going to have to fall off for Lebron to catch him in the MVP race.

Hurry up Westbrook!!!

:rolleyes:

[AintNoSunshine]

yup the guy who scored only during garbage time
7 points in the final minute of a 1 point win. dat garbage point :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dabigbaws]

Bran stans are so sad. Settle KD has dis bitch in the bag. Didn't Lebron score like 13 a few nights ago?

[Joyner82reload]

Seriously? LeBron had a hell of a game tonight, but it's offset by his absolute no-show in Salt Lake City a few nights ago. OKC not only has the best record in their conference, but in the entire god damn NBA for crying out loud.

LeBron will be broken as a man once again come February 20th

[JohnFreeman]

Seriously? LeBron had a hell of a game tonight, but it's offset by his absolute no-show in Salt Lake City a few nights ago. OKC not only has the best record in their conference, but in the entire god damn NBA for crying out loud.

LeBron will be a broken as a man once again come February 20th

http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/660e2de03bb7a15e00b9c2c07999f43a.jpg

[Joyner82reload]

http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/660e2de03bb7a15e00b9c2c07999f43a.jpg

k...

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/kobe-ring.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

k...

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/kobe-ring.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNQW7vsCUAA-pJL.jpg:large

[JohnFreeman]

k...

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/kobe-ring.jpg
What has Kobe got to do with Durant and LeBron?

[Joyner82reload]

What has Kobe got to do with Durant and LeBron?

What does the past have to do with the future?

[JohnFreeman]

What does the past have to do with the future?

Everything. I don't understand the Kobe picture though? He didn't beat LeBron to get it or anything?

[Joyner82reload]

Everything. I don't understand the Kobe picture though? He didn't beat LeBron to get it or anything?

He beat the teams LeBron couldn't, 2009 Magic and 2010 Celtics.

[pauk]

Stop it. If the season ended today, Durant would get AT LEAST 85% of the votes

...but it wont stop today!?

Havent you learned from past two seasons? Durant was #1 on the MVP race twice during around this exact timefrime past two seasons..... and it was just then or after AS break that Lebron would pick it up, make a final push until the end of the season running away with MVP, he has somewhat kindof started now in February averaging 29-9-8 & having this game like tonight... if you look at Lebrons performances during his regular seasons you will see that it is a very usual habbit he starts going ham around/after AS break....

It could end up like that once again... who knows...

But KD is playing even better than last year as Westbrook aint around & as long as Westbrook doesnt come back to mess up his stats etc (Westbrook will return though) then at the end of the season both i think will have done more than enough but it could end up to a parity, there is only 1 MVP trophy so one of them will have to be "snubbed"... this could be something like Malone/Jordan in 1997 or Kobe/CP3 in 2008 or something... or there will be a more clear winner.... we shall see...

[JohnFreeman]

He beat the teams LeBron couldn't, 2009 Magic and 2010 Celtics.
On a better team..

[JohnFreeman]

...but it wont stop today!?

Havent you learned from past two seasons? Durant was #1 on the MVP race twice during around this exact timefrime past two seasons..... and it was just then or after AS break that Lebron would pick it up, make a final push until the end of the season running away with MVP, he has somewhat kindof started now in February averaging 29-9-8 & having this game like tonight... if you look at Lebrons performances during his regular seasons you will see that it is a very usual habbit he starts going ham around/after AS break....

It could end up like that once again... who knows...

But KD is playing even better than last year & as long as Westbrook doesnt come back to mess up his stats etc (Westbrook will return though) then at the end of the season both i think will have done more than enough but it could end up to a parity, there is only 1 MVP trophy so one of them will have to be "snubbed"... this could be something like Malone/Jordan in 1997 or Kobe/CP3 in 2008 or something... or there will be a more clear winner.... we shall see...

Thanks Pauk.

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1379/23/1379233399166.png

[Mr Feeny]

He beat the teams LeBron couldn't, 2009 Magic and 2010 Celtics.

Alright.

[Joyner82reload]

...but it wont stop today!?

Havent you learned from past two seasons? Durant was #1 on the MVP race twice during around this exact timefrime past two seasons..... and it was just then or after AS break that Lebron would pick it up, make a final push until the end of the season running away with MVP, he has somewhat kindof started now in February averaging 29-9-8 & having this game like tonight... if you look at Lebrons performances during his regular seasons you will see that it is a very usual habbit he starts going ham around/after AS break....

It could end up like that once again... who knows...

But KD is playing even better than last year as Westbrook aint around & as long as Westbrook doesnt come back to mess up his stats etc (Westbrook will return though) then at the end of the season both i think will have done more than enough but it could end up to a parity, there is only 1 MVP trophy so one of them will have to be "snubbed"... this could be something like Malone/Jordan in 1997 or Kobe/CP3 in 2008 or something... or there will be a more clear winner.... we shall see...

The race was close the past 2 years going into the all star break, Durant had a slight edge.

This time Durant is a near unanimous MVP choice up to this point. LeBron isn't even in the same galaxy at this point in time. It would take more than LeBron playing out of his mind averaging 30/8/8 65 TS% for the rest of the season. He would need OKC to collapse and Durant fall off the earth.

If Durant's production falls off and he ONLY averages something like 29/7/5 62 TS% from here on out, he's still going to be the MVP by a WIDE margin.

[dabigbaws]

Bran stepped it up by scoring 13 against the worst team in the league and getting locked up by Gordon fkn hawyard:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[JohnFreeman]

Bran stepped it up by scoring 13 against the worst team in the league and getting locked up by Gordon fkn hawyard:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Didn't Hayward outplay Durant earlier in the season?

[Trollsmasher]

Didn't Hayward outplay Durant earlier in the season?
Yeah, that was a great game. Durant was trying his best, but Hayward was just styling all over him:lol

[leMVP]

Next week is gonna be huge.

The ASG and Miami @ OKC.

Whoever sweep these two matchups will be lock for the mvp 85%.

[JohnFreeman]

Yeah, that was a great game. Durant was trying his best, but Hayward was just styling all over him:lol
These Durant stans are very forgetful

[pauk]

The race was close the past 2 years going into the all star break, Durant had a slight edge.

This time Durant is a near unanimous MVP choice up to this point. LeBron isn't even in the same galaxy at this point in time. It would take more than LeBron playing out of his mind averaging 30/8/8 65 TS% for the rest of the season. He would need OKC to collapse and Durant fall off the earth.

If Durant's production falls off and he ONLY averages something like 29/7/5 62 TS% from here on out, he's still going to be the MVP by a WIDE margin.

No, Bonner is not even in the same galaxy right now, but somebody #2 on the MVP race is, especially after being #1 a couple of times this season.... and he got alot of more games to potentially take that spot, while KD has alot of more games to lose that spot especially when Westbrook comes back... or Lebron will not step up & KD will continue doing what he is doing (while winning most importantly).... we dont know...

The point is, dont trust to much on "right now", there are many more games, they are 1/2 in the race and it aint over until its over....

[SexSymbol]

LeBron had a good game, he is still light-years behind Durant in the MVP race, but at least he's getting closer inch by inch, not getting further away like in January.

[knicksman]

No worries pauk. Espn analysts are idiots so they would vote for LeBron again. These are the same idiots who voted Iverson and rose.

[pauk]

No worries pauk. Espn analysts are idiots so they would vote for LeBron again. These are the same idiots who voted Iverson and rose.

Actually i would want Durant to win it, he deserves it, i love the guys game and i think Lebron can settle with skipping one season without MVP, he has 4 and its not like he is anywhere close to retire either... what Lebron needs to focus on right now is rings.

[knicksman]

Actually i would want Durant to win it, he deserves it, i love the guys game and i think Lebron can settle with skipping one season without MVP, he has 4 and its not like he is anywhere close to retire either... what Lebron needs to focus on right now is rings.


except that LeBron would rather have MVPs. Hes not beating Jordan through rings

[All Net]

Keep. All Mvp talk in this thread

[KG215]

We all remember last season when Durant was considered to be the MVP near the ASG but then he went into a slump for the second half of the season as Lebron easily overtook him. Is today the day that Durant's hot streak finishes and Lebron's begins?
My only problem (and hell, I may have already posted this in this thread) with this logic is that last year Durant wasn't nearly as far ahead of LeBron in the MVP race as he was now or back when this thread started. What LeBron did last night? Durant's done 5 or 6 times (in some capacity) over the last month and a half. Durant's led OKC to the best record in the NBA, playing a tougher schedule than LeBron, while not having Westbrook for nearly 30 games. So every time I see a Heat/LeBron fan say something along the lines of "Yeah, but Durant was leading the MVP race at this point last year too..." I laugh. The situations are nothing alike.

[Solefade]

this is Durant's MVP award to lose, any sort of frequent "falling off" in the second half of the season and it will be awarded to lebron. we all know lebron is a much better player in the 2nd half of the regular season.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

If the Heat beat the Thunder with Lebron outplaying The Servant, I'd say they're both tied in the MVP race.

[Illuminati]

Only if he outplays him severely.

[DaSeba5]

1. LeBron has to outplay Durant and win in OKC.

2. Miami has to finish with a better record than OKC.

Both have to be done for LeBron to win MVP.

[NumberSix]

1. LeBron has to outplay Durant and win in OKC.

2. Miami has to finish with a better record than OKC.

Both have to be done for LeBron to win MVP.
why?

[KDthunderup]

why?
Because a teams record has always been one of the biggest factors in MVP voting

[JohnFreeman]

Because a teams record has always been one of the biggest factors in MVP voting
That's why Rose won over LeBron, Wade and Howard in 11

[NumberSix]

Because a teams record has always been one of the biggest factors in MVP voting
Did OKC not have a better record than Miami in 2012 when LeBron won the MVP? :confusedshrug:

[KG215]

Did OKC not have a better record than Miami in 2012 when LeBron won the MVP? :confusedshrug:
OKC played 30 games this year without Westbrook. Theyn went 22-8 in those 30 games while Durant put up huge numbers and led his team to a four game cushion in a far superior conference.

[DaSeba5]

why?

Because the team's record is big factor in the MVP race. It looks better for KD that he lead his team to the #1 seed in the West while Miami has been behind Indiana the whole season. But if Miami has a better record than the top seed in the West, and/or if OKC starts to lose down the stretch, it will look a lot better for LeBron.

[fragokota]

I like both Lebron and Durant and i'am unbiased but Durant is still quite ahead.

[DaSeba5]

I like both Lebron and Durant and i'am unbiased but Durant is still quite ahead.

It's going to take a dominant month by LeBron and a win in OKC to make it close. Can't underestimate the media's love for LeBron. If he plays like Durant in January down the stretch, hes' going to be dick rided by the media all the way to the playoffs.

[KDthunderup]

Did OKC not have a better record than Miami in 2012 when LeBron won the MVP? :confusedshrug:
1 more win and Lebron had vastly better stats then KD that season.

[dabigbaws]

how does a win in OKC even things up? do people not realise KD has lead OKC to the number 1 seed with no other all stars when people were predicting OKC falls to around the 4th seed w/o WB

[maybeshewill13]

how does a win in OKC even things up? do people not realise KD has lead OKC to the number 1 seed with no other all stars when people were predicting OKC falls to around the 4th seed w/o WB
This. Settle down people, Lebron has a game like this and everyone goes bananas claiming it's an even MVP race. Durant has carried a very average team to top overall standing in the NBA (in an extremely tough Western Conference), all the while averaging better stats than Lebron and having many crazy games like this. It's going to take a massive choke job for Durant to lose this, or Lebron playing the best ball of his career. I'm not saying it's not possible, but highly improbable.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Let's be honest. Durant's stock went down as soon as he named himself the servant. Like, how do you give a guy like that the MVP? It's not a good look for the league. lol

[maybeshewill13]

Let's be honest. Durant's stock went down as soon as he named himself the servant. Like, how do you give a guy like that the MVP? It's not a good look for the league. lol
:facepalm another troll to ad to the ban list for Jeff.

[DaSeba5]

how does a win in OKC even things up? do people not realise KD has lead OKC to the number 1 seed with no other all stars when people were predicting OKC falls to around the 4th seed w/o WB

It doesn't even things up. It looks better for LeBron to play terrific against OKC on their home floor and win rather than being swept with a blow out loss on his home floor. LeBron has to be dominant for the rest of the season and lead his team with a better record than OKC, and then the MVP race will get close and maybe favor LeBron. KD is the favorite right now, and it's not close. But LeBron is starting to heat up and it's early.

[maybeshewill13]

It doesn't even things up. It looks better for LeBron to play terrific against OKC on their home floor and win rather than being swept with a blow out loss on his home floor. LeBron has to be dominant for the rest of the season and lead his team with a better record than OKC, and then the MVP race will get close and maybe favor LeBron. KD is the favorite right now, and it's not close. But LeBron is starting to heat up and it's early.
A decent Heat fan, am I seeing things? :eek:

[DaSeba5]

A decent Heat fan, am I seeing things? :eek:

We're out there. :D

[JohnFreeman]

A decent Heat fan, am I seeing things? :eek:
There are a few..

[maybeshewill13]

There are a few..
A tiny percentage of the ones here. I have no beef with non delusional Heat fans :cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

A tiny percentage of the ones here. I have no beef with non delusional Heat fans :cheers:
Kings v Thunder 2016 WCF

[maybeshewill13]

Kings v Thunder 2016 WCF
That'd be awesome, I'd be happy seeing the Kings in the WCF. Nikkas deserve it after those terrible owners killed them for a decade.

[chazzy]

Durant's putting up 32/8/6 on 64 TS% on the best team in the league without his 2nd best player for a huge chunk of the year. The first step for Lebron would be for Miami to at least get a better record than OKC - they were expected to be a better team going into the year and that's without factoring in Westbrook's absence.

[JohnFreeman]

That'd be awesome, I'd be happy seeing the Kings in the WCF. Nikkas deserve it after those terrible owners killed them for a decade.
Maloof family are fvckboys. Kings are coming

[NumberSix]

Durant's putting up 32/8/6 on 64 TS% on the best team in the league without his 2nd best player for a huge chunk of the year. The first step for Lebron would be for Miami to at least get a better record than OKC - they were expected to be a better team going into the year and that's without factoring in Westbrook's absence.
Lol @rounding up. You're allowed to type the ".5" you know. :roll:

[chazzy]

Lol @rounding up. You're allowed to type the ".5" you know. :roll:
What?

[Le Shaqtus]

Why is LeBron all of a sudden in the race because he had one 40 point game?

Durant is scoring better, and doing more with less.

[sd3035]

A tiny percentage of the ones here. I have no beef with non delusional Heat fans :cheers:

Most of the bad Heat "fans" are bandwagon Lebron trolls who always trash players like Wade and Bosh. Real Heat fans are usually quite reasonable.

I think the majority of the stupid ones are a few people with a bunch of alt accounts, some are probably even Kobe, Durant, or Jordan fans trying to make a fool of Lebron fans

[KDthunderup]

What?
he is avg 31.5ppg, still 5 more ppg then Lebron though

[KyleKong]

This happened last year. LeBron will pull away and win the MVP.

[sd3035]

Lebron is catching up, but he still has a ways to go. This could be an exciting race, I hope neither gets injured

[maybeshewill13]

This happened last year. LeBron will pull away and win the MVP.
Durant didn't have as crazy of a season last year as he has this year.

[KDthunderup]

This happened last year. LeBron will pull away and win the MVP.
No, it was extremely close at this point of the season last year, whilst at the point of this season KD has a nice healthy lead. Lebron statistically was performing better at this point but the Heat's record wasn't as good then they had that 27 game win streak and Lebron outplayed KD in both head 2 heads. KD is already 1-0 up this season.

[NumberSix]

he is avg 31.5ppg, still 5 more ppg then Lebron though
True....


Just sayin' though......


You're allowed to write 31.5 PPG and 5.5 APG.

[sd3035]

No, it was extremely close at this point of the season last year, whilst at this season KD has a nice healthy lead. Lebron statistically was performing better at this point but the Heat's record wasn't as good then they had that 27 game win streak and Lebron outplayed KD in both head 2 heads. KD is already 1-0 up this season.

KD won that one on the road too, I expect him to take this one at home on Thursday. I hope they both go off for 50, the NBA needs another Magic - Bird rivalry

[NumberSix]

Durant didn't have as hyped of a season last year as he has this year.
fixed.

[KDthunderup]

fixed.
And that hype has had nothing to do with the result of KD's play this season?

[NumberSix]

And that hype has had nothing to do with the result of KD's play this season?
No. He has been great and at this current point does deserve the MVP over LeBron. Just saying that people a throwing a little extra sauce on top beyond that.

[maybeshewill13]

fixed.
Come on, stop being an idiot. This forum is ****ed enough.

[JohnFreeman]

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[Leftimage]

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

KD is MVP so far. Lebron needs to go on a tear like he did 2013 february to have a shot.

[russwest0]

Durant has had an off month in February and is still putting up better numbers than Bran trying as hard as he possibly can :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Leftimage]

KD is MVP so far. Lebron needs to go on a tear like he did 2013 february to have a shot.

Lebron is slaying yet again this February, as expected.

30/9/8/3 on 55% fgp, 38% 3pfg. 6-1 record.

I'd say the tear is well underway.

[knicksman]

KD won that one on the road too, I expect him to take this one at home on Thursday. I hope they both go off for 50, the NBA needs another Magic - Bird rivalry


More like bird/mj and it wouldn't be close. in fact Durant already surpassed LeBron while on his peak:lol

[russwest0]

Lebron is slaying yet again this February, as expected.

30/9/8/3 on 55% fgp, 38% 3pfg. 6-1 record.

I'd say the tear is well underway.

LeBron slaying still worse than Durant having an off month :lol :lol :lol

[knicksman]

LeBron slaying still worse than Durant having an off month :lol :lol :lol


That's how bad LeBron is compared to Durant .. I cant imagine how big of a gap prime Durant vs prime LeBron much more prime Durant vs past prime LeBron. It would be murder

LeBron would create a dream team and still cant beat durant

[Leftimage]

LeBron slaying still worse than Durant having an off month :lol :lol :lol

I don't mean to split hairs - both are insane statlines - but:

30/9/8/3 on 55% > 33/8/7/1 + 5 TO on 48%

And of course it's not an ''off month'' for KD, its his second best month ever after the previous one. For Lebron it's a typical February line.

Sorry man.

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[JohnFreeman]

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BARBECUE CHICKEN

[russwest0]

That's how bad LeBron is compared to Durant .. I cant imagine how big of a gap prime Durant vs prime LeBron much more prime Durant vs past prime LeBron. It would be murder

LeBron would create a dream team and still cant beat durant

It's hilarious. When Durant was outplaying LeBron through first third of the season and OKC had a better record the media was going through with "first trimester awards" and literally everybody was acting like LeBron was the MVP and it wasn't even close.

It took Durant having an all time great month of basketball while leading his team to the best record without Westbrook to get some recognition as the MVP. He came into this race with the media wanting at all costs to give LeBron the "legacy" MVP award. And Durant is still leading the race :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

It's hilarious. When Durant was outplaying LeBron through first third of the season and OKC had a better record the media was going through with "first trimester awards" and literally everybody was acting like LeBron was the MVP and it wasn't even close.

It took Durant having an all time great month of basketball while leading his team to the best record without Westbrook to get some recognition as the MVP. He came into this race with the media wanting at all costs to give LeBron the "legacy" MVP award. And Durant is still leading the race :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Because it wasn't. Durant was barely on the radar until Westbrook went out and he had his little 3 week hot streak (which has now become outrageously overblown).

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I don't mean to split hairs - both are insane statlines - but:

30/9/8/3 on 55% > 33/8/7/1 + 5 TO on 48%

And of course it's not an ''off month'' for KD, its his second best month ever after the previous one. For Lebron it's a typical February line.

Sorry man.

http://i.imgur.com/nhURXwh.png
http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom//img/2010/05/28/sunsbrooklopezgif_20100528102802_0_0.GIF

[JohnFreeman]

I don't mean to split hairs - both are insane statlines - but:

30/9/8/3 on 55% > 33/8/7/1 + 5 TO on 48%

And of course it's not an ''off month'' for KD, its his second best month ever after the previous one. For Lebron it's a typical February line.

Sorry man.

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[MichaelCorleone]

I don't mean to split hairs - both are insane statlines - but:

30/9/8/3 on 55% > 33/8/7/1 + 5 TO on 48%

And of course it's not an ''off month'' for KD, its his second best month ever after the previous one. For Lebron it's a typical February line.

Sorry man.

http://i.imgur.com/nhURXwh.png
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pwnt.gif

[knicksman]

It's hilarious. When Durant was outplaying LeBron through first third of the season and OKC had a better record the media was going through with "first trimester awards" and literally everybody was acting like LeBron was the MVP and it wasn't even close.

It took Durant having an all time great month of basketball while leading his team to the best record without Westbrook to get some recognition as the MVP. He came into this race with the media wanting at all costs to give LeBron the "legacy" MVP award. And Durant is still leading the race :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

The media are idiots tho. If Oscar was playing against Jordan, Im sure they would give the MVP to him. They only see triple doubles despite Oscar being considered cancer by his teammates.

[JohnFreeman]

Anyone got a link for the new open court?

[Prometheus]

I don't mean to split hairs - both are insane statlines - but:

30/9/8/3 on 55% > 33/8/7/1 + 5 TO on 48%

And of course it's not an ''off month'' for KD, its his second best month ever after the previous one. For Lebron it's a typical February line.

Sorry man.

http://i.imgur.com/nhURXwh.png

They see 33 > 30 and therefore KD is better. Meanwhile, in reality...

[MichaelCorleone]

They see 33 > 30 and therefore KD is better. Meanwhile, in reality...
Nobody is saying KD is better, only Kobe stans and KD stans are doing that. The rest of the world actually live in reality.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No. Maybe next year Bran.

This is pretty hilarious coming from a stan of a player that has one MVP his entire career. :oldlol:

[juju151111]

Originally Posted by colts18
I decided to chart to the 2012 finals focusing primarily on LeBron and Durant. I didn't chart every possession, just the possessions that ended in a FGA, foul, or a turnover.

Here is the % of time each of these guys guarded Durant during one of Durant's FGA, fouls, or TOVs (excludes open shots)

LeBron 57 (41.9%)
Battier 37 (27.2%)
Wade 21 (15.4%)
Bosh 9 (6.6%)

Here is the % of time each guy guarded LeBron (excludes open shots):

Sefolosha 43 (29.7%)
Durant 41 (28.3%)
Harden 32 (22.1%)
Ibaka 13 (9.0%)

LeBron drew 35 fouls (8 durant fouls), Durant drew 28 fouls (4 LeBron fouls). LeBron was doubled 30 times, Durant was doubled 30 times.

Here is how the Thunder defenders did when guarding LeBron

Durant: 14-29, 1-4 3P, 9-10 FT, 3 TOV, .569 TS%
Sefolosha: 15-32 FG, 2-6 3P, 7-8 FT, 4 TOV, .549 TS%
Harden: 5-15 FG, 0-3 3P, 5-8 FT, 4 TOV, .405 TS%
Ibaka: 6-14 FG, 0-1 3P, 2-3 FT, 1 TOV, .457 TS%
Open: 7-8 FG, 0-1 3P, .875 TS%


Fisher: 1-4 FG, 0-1 3P, 5-6 FT, 2 TOV
Collison: 0-2 FG, 6-7 FT, 2 TOV
Perkins: 2-2 FG, 2-2 FT
Westbrook: 1-2 FG, 2-2 FT,3 TOV


This is what the Heat defenders did when guarding Durant

LeBron: 19-37, 4-11 3P, 0-0 FT, 6 TOV, .568 TS%
Battier: 17-29 FG, 2-7 3P, 7-8 FT,1 TOV, .661 TS%
Wade: 6-11 FG, 1-3 3P, 3-4 FT, 5 TOV, .627 TS%
Bosh: 2-8 FG, 1-5 3P, 5-5 FT, 2 TOV, .490 TS%
Open: 11-13 FG, 5-6 3P, 1.038 TS%


Jones: 0-0 FG, 3-5 FT, 1 TOV
Chalmers: 0-1 FG, 3-4 FT,3 TOV
Haslem: 0-1 FG, 4-4 FT, 1 TOV
Miller: 1-3 FG, 0-1 3P, 1-1 FT
Anthony 1-1 FG

Interestingly enough, Durant and LeBron shot almost the same when being guarded by each other. LeBron shot .569 TS% vs Durant while Durant shot .568 TS%. LeBron scored 38 points vs. Durant while Durant scored 42 points.

[jlip]

Originally Posted by colts18

Durant: 14-29, 1-4 3P, 9-10 FT, 3 TOV, .569 TS%
Sefolosha: 15-32 FG, 2-6 3P, 7-8 FT, 4 TOV, .549 TS%
Harden: 5-15 FG, 0-3 3P, 5-8 FT, 4 TOV, .405 TS%
Ibaka: 6-14 FG, 0-1 3P, 2-3 FT, 1 TOV, .457 TS%
Open: 7-8 FG, 0-1 3P, .875 TS%



This is what the Heat defenders did when guarding Durant

LeBron: 19-37, 4-11 3P, 0-0 FT, 6 TOV, .568 TS%
Battier: 17-29 FG, 2-7 3P, 7-8 FT,1 TOV, .661 TS%
Wade: 6-11 FG, 1-3 3P, 3-4 FT, 5 TOV, .627 TS%
Bosh: 2-8 FG, 1-5 3P, 5-5 FT, 2 TOV, .490 TS%
Open: 11-13 FG, 5-6 3P, 1.038 TS%


Interestingly enough, Durant and LeBron shot almost the same when being guarded by each other. LeBron shot .569 TS% vs Durant while Durant shot .568 TS%. LeBron scored 38 points vs. Durant while Durant scored 42 points.

I'm really not a fan of advanced stats at all, but I really would prefer eFG% over TS% when comparing how well a player scored when guarded by different defenders. Doesn't TS% take free throws into consideration? If it does, free throws aren't guarded.

[fpliii]

I'm really not a fan of advanced stats at all, but I really would prefer eFG% over TS% when comparing how well a player scored when guarded by different defenders. Doesn't TS% take free throws into consideration? If it does, free throws aren't guarded.
Well, efG%=(FG+.5*3P)/FGA so here they are instead of TS%:

LeBron vs:

Durant: 14-29, 1-4 3P, 9-10 FT, 3 TOV, .500
Sefolosha: 15-32 FG, 2-6 3P, 7-8 FT, 4 TOV, .500
Harden: 5-15 FG, 0-3 3P, 5-8 FT, 4 TOV, .333
Ibaka: 6-14 FG, 0-1 3P, 2-3 FT, 1 TOV, .429
Open: 7-8 FG, 0-1 3P, .875

Durant vs:

LeBron: 19-37, 4-11 3P, 0-0 FT, 6 TOV, .568
Battier: 17-29 FG, 2-7 3P, 7-8 FT,1 TOV, .621
Wade: 6-11 FG, 1-3 3P, 3-4 FT, 5 TOV, .591
Bosh: 2-8 FG, 1-5 3P, 5-5 FT, 2 TOV, .313
Open: 11-13 FG, 5-6 3P, 1.038

[JohnMax]

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[ihoopallday]

I like that the LeBron vs. Durant debates are all gonna be in one thread. :lol Can't wait to see how this forum is tomorrow night.

[DMAVS41]

If the Thunder beat the Heat tomorrow and Durant outplays Lebron...it's over

If the Lebron outplays Durant and the Heat win? It's gonna be a great race down the stretch

[NumberSix]

If the Thunder beat the Heat tomorrow and Durant outplays Lebron...it's over

If the Lebron outplays Durant and the Heat win? It's gonna be a great race down the stretch
The MVP isn't about 1 or 2 games. It's about 82 games. At the end of the season, whoever has the better 82 game r

[inclinerator]

ppl act like durant just isnt on a super hot streak, i dont think those numbers he put up are sustainable for a whole season

[AnaheimLakers24]

omg theres finally a thread for this. doesnt matter i still see bran an kd topics

[Illuminati]

I know Joyner82 will like this one.

http://i.imgur.com/nzkTguN.jpg

[NumberSix]

I know Joyner82 will like this one.

http://i.imgur.com/nzkTguN.jpg
The Servant's season is being severely overhyped due to a 3 week scoring binge.

[Nash]

Lebron is shooting what, 58%? Sick.

Durant will get it though. Mostly because he lead his team without Westbrook while OKC has a better record than Miami. Although Lebron is scoring more efficiently, better playmaker and is leading his team in ppg, apg and rpg.

But honestly, as a Lebron fan I think Durant deserves it. For now, I'd vote for him and still do when the regular season ends unless he fecks up big time.

[NumberSix]

Lebron is shooting what, 58%? Sick.

Durant will get it though. Mostly because he lead his team without Westbrook while OKC has a better record than Miami. Although Lebron is scoring more efficiently, better playmaker and is leading his team in ppg, apg and rpg.

But honestly, as a Lebron fan I think Durant deserves it. For now, I'd vote for him and still do when the regular season ends unless he fecks up big time.
Don't be surprised if by the end of the season Wade misses as many games as Westbrook.

[knicksman]

I know Joyner82 will like this one.

http://i.imgur.com/nzkTguN.jpg


well kobes impact is also better than LeBron. Their career +/- reflects that. Saying Durant is close to LeBron is like saying Oscar is close to Jordan. LOL

[Prometheus]

well kobes impact is also better than LeBron. Their career +/- reflects that. Saying Durant is close to LeBron is like saying Oscar is close to Jordan. LOL

Yes because we all know career +/- is the greatest measure of a player.

[Bandito]

Don't be surprised if by the end of the season Wade misses as many games as Westbrook.
Why do you want the HEat to lose. I thought you were a Lebron stan...:confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

well kobes impact is also better than LeBron. Their career +/- reflects that. Saying Durant is close to LeBron is like saying Oscar is close to Jordan. LOL
Stats since 2001-02 season:
Kobe's +/- per game - 4,02
LeBron's +/- per game - 5,23


:applause:

[knicksman]

Stats since 2001-02 season:
Kobe's +/- per game - 4,02
LeBron's +/- per game - 5,23


:applause:


playoffs brah. We all knew LeBron was a regular season hero

And it becomes worse when paired with stars. Lebron +3.7 while kobe 10+. Goes to show that LeBron is just same with Oscar, cancerous player.

[knicksman]

Yes because we all know career +/- is the greatest measure of a player.

its the closest measure to players impact dumbass

[Trollsmasher]

playoffs brah. We all knew LeBron was a regular season hero

And it becomes worse when paired with stars. Lebron +3.7 while kobe 10+. Goes to show that LeBron is just same with Oscar, cancerous player.
Playoffs:
Kobe - 3,18
LeBro - 4,45 per game

The difference grows

:cheers:

[knicksman]

Playoffs:
Kobe - 3,18
LeBro - 4,45 per game

The difference grows

:cheers:


on/off brah not oncourt. Looks like you just exposed your IQ right there

[knicksman]

Trollsmashers shouldn't be one of the lowest IQ on this board

[Solefade]

on/off brah not oncourt. Looks like you just exposed your IQ right there


you always talks about people's IQ but you're actually the dumbest poster on ISH.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Servant better watch out now. He's still the front runner for MVP, but this game closed the gap, and with Westbrook back, it's very likely his production will go down.

[DaSeba5]

This game seriously closed the gap. LeBron really proved he was the best player tonight.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/

:applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

So what's the deal? KD wanted 1 on 1 for the all star game, but not for the game that actually counted? :coleman:

[3ba11]

.

Preseason Favorite

Lebron.... 2011-2016 (6 years)
Durant.... 2017-2019 (3 years)


^^^ 6 straight years of favored rosters is unprecedented, and the unprecedented advantage of Lebron's "decision" can only be countered by another unprecedented advantage of KD joining Curry.

Yet KD's rings "don't count" due to this unprecedented advantage, while Lebron's do despite enjoying an unprecedented advantage for twice as long... It's a clear double-standard and further evidence of the fraud.

Lebron was also the preseason favorite in 2020 and 21', so that means the suboptimal "bron-ball" skillset perennially-underachieved favored talent, such as losing with the preseason or homecourt 7 times.

So while Lebron was underachieving favored rosters, Durant was carrying Westbrick to the Finals (while Lebron missed the play-in) - KD's superior brand of ball achieved higher team ceilings and he also outplayed Lebron heads-up three times.

[1987_Lakers]

“Kevin Durant couldn’t win a single 1v1 against LeBron James!”: Cavaliers’ Kevin Love recalls how Lakers star humiliated Nets star during 2014 All-Star weekend


https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-kevin-durant-couldnt-win-a-single-1v1-against-lebron-james-cavaliers-kevin-love-recalls-how-lakers-star-humiliated-nets-star-during-2014-all-star-weekend/

[SouBeachTalents]

This loser bumping decade old threads :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

“Kevin Durant couldn’t win a single 1v1 against LeBron James!”: Cavaliers’ Kevin Love recalls how Lakers star humiliated Nets star during 2014 All-Star weekend


https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-kevin-durant-couldnt-win-a-single-1v1-against-lebron-james-cavaliers-kevin-love-recalls-how-lakers-star-humiliated-nets-star-during-2014-all-star-weekend/


Damn, interesting