ESPN - Phoenix Suns exploring trade for Pau Gasol

[hangintheair]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN story going online now: Phoenix Suns exploring feasibility of trade for Lakers big man Pau Gasol. Link coming momentarily

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[navy]

I wouldnt want to see Phoenix in the first round.

[Black and White]

Interesting trade idea...... Phoenix has a few picks to package in this trade if they want to, could be a very good move, Pau can come alive in the right system

[Brokenbeat]

Okafor and Lakers own 2015 pick back, lol.

[no pun intended]

Possible three way trade with the Wolves?

[TheMarkMadsen]

we'll take them picks thank you very much :cheers:

Pau for Emeka & a first!!

[Akrazotile]

It seems lately like Im one of fewer and fewer people who believes a MOTIVATED pau is still a difference maker. I would absolutely love to see him on that Suns team.

Lakers will lose him this offseason anyway so it shouldnt take much to ply him away. Get it done..... Suns GM!

[TheMarkMadsen]

It seems lately like Im one of fewer and fewer people who believes a MOTIVATED pau is still a difference maker. I would absolutely love to see him on that Suns team.

Lakers will lose him this offseason anyway so it shouldnt take much to ply him away. Get it done..... Suns GM!


i'm sorry but he's being paid 19 million dollars this year, that's all the motivation he should need.

plus he's playing for a new contract which is more than enough motivation right there

[navy]

The suns better not mess up their squad to get him though.

[Black and White]

Bledsoe, Dragic, and Plumlee for Gasol and Nash. Who says no?

WTF :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bledsoe, Dragic, and Plumlee for Gasol and Nash. Who says no?

Phoenix would need to throw in a couple of picks

[hangintheair]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10392533/phoenix-suns-explore-deal-los-angeles-lakers-pau-gasol


The Phoenix Suns have emerged as a potential trade suitor for Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Suns, among the options being weighed as part of their well-chronicled desire to acquire an established player as they make an unexpected playoff push this season, have been exploring the feasibility of trading for the Lakers' four-time All-Star.

One option for the Suns, by virtue of their $5.6 million in available salary-cap space, is swapping the expiring contract of injured big man Emeka Okafor for Gasol, even though Okafor's $14.5 million salary this season falls well shy of Gasol's $19.3 million.

[G-Funk]

Get it done, Lakers need picks

[TheMarkMadsen]

I believe Phoenix has the cap to be able to take in the extra 5 mil this season which is the difference between Pau & Emeka's contract

This is a win win for the Lakers, while it would be sad to see Pau go the writing has been on the wall for awhile and it's something we've all been expecting, this would make our TANK even stronger & would also give us some more 2014 draft picks to play around with

[Lord Bean]

Phoenix would need to throw in a couple of picks
Toss in Jeff Hornacek and the medical staff and you've got a deal

[sfballa13]

Lakers dont have any incentive to make this move unless Phoenix adds their 2015 pick back from the Nash trade

Why not trade Pau to any other team for an expiring and a young guy?

Why not trade Pau and at the same time get rid of Nash?

What about:
Josh Smith, Stuckey, Charlie V
for
Gasol and Steve Nash

Pistons dump Smith, Lakers save 10M next year, Josh Smith might thrive under D'Antoni

[Black and White]

Lakers dont have any incentive to make this move

Why not trade Pau to any other team for an expiring and a young guy?

Why not trade Pau and at the same time get rid of Nash?

What about:
Josh Smith, Stuckey, Charlie V
for
Gasol and Steve Nash

Pistons dump Smith, Lakers save 10M next year, Josh Smith might thrive under D'Antoni

Why would the pistons make this trade? they can get better for Smith

[HylianNightmare]

Damn phx is no joke

[BallsOut]

**** Phoenix

Only trade Gasol if they can ship Nash with him too.

Gasol + Nash

for

Two 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor, expiring fillers

[CeltsGarlic]

Lakers fans expectations are unlimited.

[Brokenbeat]

**** Phoenix

Only trade Gasol if they can ship Nash with him too.

Gasol + Nash

for

Two 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor, expiring fillers


:facepalm

[Lord Bean]

Lakers fans expectations are unlimited.
Come on man, Pau is at least worth Bledsoe and Dragic. Toss in Nash and I think PHX would have to include Plumlee and Hornacek.

[Zedja]

Come on man, Pau is at least worth Bledsoe and Dragic. Toss in Nash and I think PHX would have to include Plumlee and Hornacek.
Nope.

[BallsOut]

It seems lately like Im one of fewer and fewer people who believes a MOTIVATED pau is still a difference maker. I would absolutely love to see him on that Suns team.

Lakers will lose him this offseason anyway so it shouldnt take much to ply him away. Get it done..... Suns GM!

Pau is still a top 5 PF in today's game when motivated. He's putting up 17 points 10.2 rebounds, 3.4 assists and 1.45 blocks per game in under 32 minutes. It'll take at least 2 first round picks if Phoenix wants him.

[flipogb]

Lakers fans expectations are unlimited.
I just want a pick and Okafor to make the numbers work, you can't tell me thats too much

[Al Thornton]

I just want a pick and Okafor to make the numbers work, you can't tell me thats too much

yes u can. pau is a free agent this summer and the suns will have cap space.

[Run&Gun=Fun]

Lakers fans are delusional here.... I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not.

You're not going to get fair value for Pau because you've got no leverage in any deal . GM's aren't stupid, they know its better for the lakers to trade him as it helps the tank and the guy is leaving anyway. The best you will get, from anyone is an expirer and an average pick.

[outbreak]

Lakers fans one week "pau is the worst player in the league, why is he getting minutes, he is terrible"
Lakers fans when a Pau rumour pops up "Pau is a top 5 PF in this league, Pau is amazing and would be a great addition, Pau is worth so much"

[r0drig0lac]

**** Phoenix

Only trade Gasol if they can ship Nash with him too.

Gasol + Nash

for

Two 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor, expiring fillers
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png

[Haymaker]

Lakers fans one week "pau is the worst player in the league, why is he getting minutes, he is terrible"
Lakers fans when a Pau rumour pops up "Pau is a top 5 PF in this league, Pau is amazing and would be a great addition, Pau is worth so much"

This

[Xiao Yao You]

Lakers dont have any incentive to make this move unless Phoenix adds their 2015 pick back from the Nash trade

Why not trade Pau to any other team for an expiring and a young guy?

Why not trade Pau and at the same time get rid of Nash?

What about:
Josh Smith, Stuckey, Charlie V
for
Gasol and Steve Nash

Pistons dump Smith, Lakers save 10M next year, Josh Smith might thrive under D'Antoni

Why not? Maybe teams aren't lining up for him?



they can get better for Smith

They can? He's got one of the worst contracts in basketball. You think D'Antoni will be back?

[Black and White]

They can? He's got one of the worst contracts in basketball. You think D'Antoni will be back?

I don't think D'antoni will be coaching this team next year, well for their benefit at least.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't think D'antoni will be coaching this team next year, well for their benefit at least.

yeah, no.

[SpecialQue]

Lakers fans one week "pau is the worst player in the league, why is he getting minutes, he is terrible"
Lakers fans when a Pau rumour pops up "Pau is a top 5 PF in this league, Pau is amazing and would be a great addition, Pau is worth so much"

But according to people who hate the Lakers, Pau carried this team to two championships. Clearly there's value there?

[PejaNowitzki]

Come on man, Pau is at least worth Bledsoe and Dragic. Toss in Nash and I think PHX would have to include Plumlee and Hornacek.


LOL, hope this is trolling, seriously.



At this point, Nash is an expensive liability, Lakers would pretty much have to throw in some incentives such as draft picks to get a team to take his broken ass off their hands.

[PejaNowitzki]

Pau is still a top 5 PF in today's game when motivated. He's putting up 17 points 10.2 rebounds, 3.4 assists and 1.45 blocks per game in under 32 minutes. It'll take at least 2 first round picks if Phoenix wants him.


No it won't. Lakers have zero ****ing leverage. If they don't trade him, they're stuck with him and the luxury tax implications that follow. I'd say the Lakers need to dump Gasol more than the Suns need to trade for Gasol. Okafor and the Indiana 1st rounder for Gasol is more than fair.

[BallsOut]

No it won't. Lakers have zero ****ing leverage. If they don't trade him, they're stuck with him and the luxury tax implications that follow. I'd say the Lakers need to dump Gasol more than the Suns need to trade for Gasol. Okafor and the Indiana 1st rounder for Gasol is more than fair.

Screw that. Lakers gave up 3 picks for Nash. Suns need to take him back in any trade involving Gasol.

[gts]

Come on man, Pau is at least worth Bledsoe and Dragic. Toss in Nash and I think PHX would have to include Plumlee and Hornacek.No he's not and I'm a Pau Gasol fan

[Akrazotile]

But according to people who hate the Lakers, Pau carried this team to two championships. Clearly there's value there?


Theres more on court value in Pau right now than the guy all the stans think carried the Lakers to two chips.

And that would be true even if Kobe wasnt sitting out with a fake injury.

[PejaNowitzki]

Screw that. Lakers gave up 3 picks for Nash. Suns need to take him back in any trade involving Gasol.


That's their ****ing problem. Okafor potentially could save them over $10 million dollars, further push their tanking ways and they'd have a late 1st rounder to use in a deep draft. Pretty much about as good as it gets for them, they don't have any real leverage. They can keep Gasol, still suck, have to pay a buttload in luxury tax, acquire no additional picks or players and potentially lose him as a free agent.

[BallsOut]

That's their ****ing problem. Okafor potentially could save them over $10 million dollars, further push their tanking ways and they'd have a late 1st rounder to use in a deep draft. Pretty much about as good as it gets for them, they don't have any real leverage. They can keep Gasol, still suck, have to pay a buttload in luxury tax, acquire no additional picks or players and potentially lose him as a free agent.

Lakers don't care about paying taxes as much as winning. Trading Gasol pretty much guarantees he won't be resigned. I think they'd like to keep him this offseason and long-term.

[PejaNowitzki]

Lakers don't care about paying taxes as much as winning. Trading Gasol pretty much guarantees he won't be resigned. I think they'd like to keep him this offseason and long-term.


Its clear that they've given up on winning anything this season. Trading Gasol allows them to accelerate their tank, save a lot of cash and acquire another pick in the draft next season. If D'Antoni manages to hang around, I don't see Gasol wanting to come back anyways.

[ProfessorMurder]

Trading Gasol pretty much guarantees he won't be resigned.

Bold statement :oldlol:

[BallsOut]

Its clear that they've given up on winning anything this season. Trading Gasol allows them to accelerate their tank, save a lot of cash and acquire another pick in the draft next season. If D'Antoni manages to hang around, I don't see Gasol wanting to come back anyways.

Even with Gasol, they're not having a hard time losing games. Trading Gasol for a late 1st round pick to guarantee not resigning him is stupid. He's still one of the best bigs in the league and has incredible chemistry with Bryant.

[Run&Gun=Fun]

Screw that. Lakers gave up 3 picks for Nash. Suns need to take him back in any trade involving Gasol.

Haha ... Yeah because I'm sure the suns are riddled with regret for hijacking the Lakers in that deal.

Suns will make the Okafor/Indy pick deal but don't expect them to hang around if Lakers play hard ball... They will sign and/or trade for a big name before the start of next season.

[Walker]

LOL at Lakers fans thinking they'd get more than a straight swap for Okafor.

[BallsOut]

LOL at Lakers fans thinking they'd get more than a straight swap for Okafor.

Okafor is a scrub

[navy]

Okafor is a scrub
Which is the funny part.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LOL at Lakers fans thinking they'd get more than a straight swap for Okafor.


they would need to include a pick, LA doesn't care about taxes, if they keep Pau they also keep his bird rights and can re sign him w/o affecting their FA cap situation in the off season. Plus, Kobe loves Pau, considers him to be his brother, if they are moving Pau, they'll have to sell Kobe on there being a legit reason for it.

[Magic731]

LOL this is hilarious. Everyone complains that Laker fans have high expectations? Why do you think this is? Because the Lakers actually have a competent GM who knows how to get what he wants. It's not the Lakers fault that most of your shitty franchises are doomed due to bad GMs who can't make moves to make their team better.

[oh the horror]

Lakers fans are delusional here.... I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not.

You're not going to get fair value for Pau because you've got no leverage in any deal . GM's aren't stupid, they know its better for the lakers to trade him as it helps the tank and the guy is leaving anyway. The best you will get, from anyone is an expirer and an average pick.



Helps the tank? Have you seen them this year?

[HurricaneKid]

LOL this is hilarious. Everyone complains that Laker fans have high expectations? Why do you think this is? Because the Lakers actually have a competent GM who knows how to get what he wants. It's not the Lakers fault that most of your shitty franchises are doomed due to bad GMs who can't make moves to make their team better.

When players force their way to teams their teams are forced to take whatever they can get or risk getting nothing at all. Except now there is no one forcing their way to LA. In fact, LAL need to dump salary to save on taxes and get a better pick. Okafor's contract is insured so not only would they lessen their salary, their tax burden, etc but they would get ~5MM back. THEY may have to give up the draft pick.

[TheMarkMadsen]

When players force their way to teams their teams are forced to take whatever they can get or risk getting nothing at all. Except now there is no one forcing their way to LA. In fact, LAL need to dump salary to save on taxes and get a better pick. Okafor's contract is insured so not only would they lessen their salary, their tax burden, etc but they would get ~5MM back. THEY may have to give up the draft pick.

LA can't give up their 2014 draft pick :facepalm

and even if they could, they wouldn't give up a pick to get rid of an expiring contract

[VIntageNOvel]

When players force their way to teams their teams are forced to take whatever they can get or risk getting nothing at all. Except now there is no one forcing their way to LA. In fact, LAL need to dump salary to save on taxes and get a better pick. Okafor's contract is insured so not only would they lessen their salary, their tax burden, etc but they would get ~5MM back. THEY may have to give up the draft pick.

if lakers care about few millions dollar, they wouldnt resign kobe with that offer

[UK2K]

Okafor is a scrub
It'd be nice if the Rockets sent them Asik, that cry baby has been paid for nothing this season so we really wouldnt be losing much.

[highwhey]

Okafor is a scrub
Okafors 14 million contract is 80% covered by insurance, its a huge salary cap relief

As long as plumlee, bledsoe and dragic aren't moved, I wont get mad

[TheMarkMadsen]

It'd be nice if the Rockets sent them Asik, that cry baby has been paid for nothing this season so we really wouldnt be losing much.

Lakers won't take any contracts that go past this year, especially not a contract that has Asik being overpaid

[flipogb]

LOL at Lakers fans thinking they'd get more than a straight swap for Okafor.
are you seriously telling me a crappy 1st pick is too much? you are the one who is delusional here. wed rather let Pau walk than save a measly 3-4m dollars while pissing off casual fans for 3-4 months with a useless trade

[HurricaneKid]

they would need to include a pick, LA doesn't care about taxes, if they keep Pau they also keep his bird rights and can re sign him w/o affecting their FA cap situation in the off season. Plus, Kobe loves Pau, considers him to be his brother, if they are moving Pau, they'll have to sell Kobe on there being a legit reason for it.

You have no comprehension about how the cap works. Pau's cap hold is ~20MM. So they either need to sign him or renounce him and until they do one or the other (or he signs elsewhere) he counts 20MM against the cap. With just Kobe and Nash and Sacre signed that gives them about as much as the MLE to sign someone else with Pau's cap hold intact. Which means his Bird rights are all but worthless.

[PejaNowitzki]

LOL this is hilarious. Everyone complains that Laker fans have high expectations? Why do you think this is? Because the Lakers actually have a competent GM who knows how to get what he wants. It's not the Lakers fault that most of your shitty franchises are doomed due to bad GMs who can't make moves to make their team better.


Yeah that Steve Nash deal was a stroke of brilliance, really put them over the top. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

You have no comprehension about how the cap works. Pau's cap hold is ~20MM. So they either need to sign him or renounce him and until they do one or the other (or he signs elsewhere) he counts 20MM against the cap. With just Kobe and Nash and Sacre signed that gives them about as much as the MLE to sign someone else with Pau's cap hold intact. Which means his Bird rights are all but worthless.

you're acting like the Lakers are desperate to get rid of Pau due to financial concerns.. you even said they may have to throw in a pick ( which they can't even trade)


The Lakers, though, have been adamant that they won't part with Gasol merely for financial relief,

Money aint a thing

[Pra]

PHX would revitalize Pau's career.

:bowdown: Based Dragic

[TheMarkMadsen]

PHX would revitalize Pau's career.

:bowdown: Based Dragic

Pau's averaging like 21 & 10 on 51% in January :confusedshrug:

[CarlosBoozer]

Pau's been beasting, awesome fantasy player :bowdown:
He'll play even better in Phoenix, Lakers should go for the trade while his value is till high.

[HurricaneKid]

you're acting like the Lakers are desperate to get rid of Pau due to financial concerns.. you even said they may have to throw in a pick ( which they can't even trade)

Money aint a thing

The Lakers aren't going anywhere this year. There is no reason to have Pau winning them an extra handful of games. Right now they would pick ~#8 (depending on tie-breakers). That's LeVine or Saric. If they dropped 2 games from their current spot (a likely scenario without Pau) they are at #3. That's Embiid/Wiggins/Parker. Do you really want Pau for the next 4 months if it costs you a cornerstone of the franchise? If so are you really a Laker fan??

So yeah, the ability to get rid of Pau and his 19+MM for almost nothing (20% of Okafor's contract) is decidedly worth a 2nd rd pick (which they can trade).

[BallsOut]

The Lakers aren't going anywhere this year. There is no reason to have Pau winning them an extra handful of games. Right now they would pick ~#8 (depending on tie-breakers). That's LeVine or Saric. If they dropped 2 games from their current spot (a likely scenario without Pau) they are at #3. That's Embiid/Wiggins/Parker. Do you really want Pau for the next 4 months if it costs you a cornerstone of the franchise? If so are you really a Laker fan??

So yeah, the ability to get rid of Pau and his 19+MM for almost nothing (20% of Okafor's contract) is decidedly worth a 2nd rd pick (which they can trade).

Quit making shit up.

The Lakers have the 6th worst record in the league right now. That puts them in the running for the top 6 most talked about players.

Also I'd rather let Gasol walk then trade him for Okafor. Gasol + Nash for 2 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor and filler. Take it or leave it Phoenix.

[MichaelCorleone]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y_ODcECzxGQ/T4sMKffGa8I/AAAAAAAAA88/LnQ8Dvynqbg/s1600/michael-scott-no.gif

[Lord Bean]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.

[HurricaneKid]

Quit making shit up.

The Lakers have the 6th worst record in the league right now. That puts them in the running for the top 6 most talked about players.

Also I'd rather let Gasol walk then trade him for Okafor. Gasol + Nash for 2 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor and filler. Take it or leave it Phoenix.

Making shit up? They are tied for #7/#8 right now.

Gasol at 19MM/ is not an asset. Its a liability. The fact that you think you can get #1s for him and Nash means you have lost all objectivity. Which I suppose is par for the course for a Laker fan... Keep them. Enjoy Saric and years of rebuilding.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.

are you trying to make our Laker fan base even more hated than it already is on ISH?

[Lord Bean]

are you trying to make our Laker fan base even more hated than it already is on ISH?
Just read my post again, I might have been a bit greedy. Nash for Hornacek straight up. Phoenix can keep Plumlee to use as twin towers with Gasol.

[MichaelCorleone]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.
Dragic is more valuable than anyone on the current Lakers.

Dragic for Gasol + whoever is still a BIG NO from the Suns organization.

[Lebron23]

Suns can do some major damage in the playoffs if they acquire Pau Gasol. I think Suns with Gasol would likely beat the Blazers in a best of 7 series.

[Lord Bean]

Dragic is more valuable than anyone on the current Lakers.

Dragic for Gasol + whoever is still a BIG NO from the Suns organization.
Dragic: 0 all star appearances, 0 rings

Pau: 4x all star, 2x champion

If anyone's getting shafted in this deal, it's LA. Phoenix should take it and run.

[Twiens]

are you trying to make our Laker fan base even more hated than it already is on ISH?

Seriously? Either one of Dragic/Bledsoe > Pau at this point. I'd trade him for Okafor and a 1st to accelerate the tank.

[Twiens]

Suns can do some major damage in the playoffs if they acquire Pau Gasol. I think Suns with Gasol would likely beat the Blazers in a best of 7 series.

LMA would average 40 with Pau guarding him

[PejaNowitzki]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.





:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:





Lakers fans are ****ing ridiculous. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[blackification]

Suns can do some major damage in the playoffs if they acquire Pau Gasol. I think Suns with Gasol would likely beat the Blazers in a best of 7 series.
Suns would beat them in a 7 game series anyway

[MichaelCorleone]

Suns would beat them in a 7 game series anyway
:cheers:

[Lord Bean]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:





Lakers fans are ****ing ridiculous. :oldlol: :oldlol:
No legitimate rebuttal or counterargument. Just insults. And we're ridiculous?

[PejaNowitzki]

No legitimate rebuttal or counterargument. Just insults. And we're ridiculous?



When retards say something blatantly ridiculous, you just nod politely and keep walking, you've spouted some of the most insane shit I've ever heard in this thread. Nobody on the Lakers roster outside of Kobe has any real value, if the Lakers can get a few scraps for Gasol, they should feel happy to do so.


BRB, trading young guys in their prime for over the hill vets. Suns gave Nash away for a reason, luckily they found someone stupid enough to overpay for him. He's the Lakers' problem now.

[gin17]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.

1) you have nash and gasol right now. have they made you contenders right now?

2) phoenix has dragic and bledsoe and are fighting for a playoff spot in the competitive west.


i can't see your logic

[Lebron23]

I doubt the suns would trade Bledsoe.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

IF you can get a 1,5 times finals mvp you gotta try everything you can:coleman:

[Lord Bean]

When retards say something blatantly ridiculous, you just nod politely and keep walking, you've spouted some of the most insane shit I've ever heard in this thread. Nobody on the Lakers roster outside of Kobe has any real value, if the Lakers can get a few scraps for Gasol, they should feel happy to do so.


BRB, trading young guys in their prime for over the hill vets. Suns gave Nash away for a reason, luckily they found someone stupid enough to overpay for him. He's the Lakers' problem now.
Again with the insults. Do you have to use that word?

Yeah, a 2x champion and 4x all-star has no real value. And I guess Nash with his 2 MVP awards has no value either right?

My goodness, it's absurd how bitter people can be sometime.

[Lord Bean]

1) you have nash and gasol right now. have they made you contenders right now?

2) phoenix has dragic and bledsoe and are fighting for a playoff spot in the competitive west.


i can't see your logic
Dantoni isn't giving Nash time, and the Lakers aren't trying to be contenders - Nash and Gasol aren't the reason for the record.

Phoenix is on the verge of getting there. Nash and Gasol would put them over the top. All they would have to give up would be a few young guys in Bledsoe, Dragic, and Plumlee. And a new coach.

[PejaNowitzki]

Again with the insults. Do you have to use that word?

Yeah, a 2x champion and 4x all-star has no real value. And I guess Nash with his 2 MVP awards has no value either right?

My goodness, it's absurd how bitter people can be sometime.


Your logic is beyond stupid. What does the past have to do with anything? Nash is 40 years old, his past is irrelevant, in the present he's a broken down, injury-prone shell of the player he once was.


Gasol has played well on a bad team, he's clearly not the same guy he was a few years ago, he's getting up there in years but still has some value, however nobody on the Lakers roster right now is worth either Dragic or Bledsoe just by themselves.

[PejaNowitzki]

Dantoni isn't giving Nash time, and the Lakers aren't trying to be contenders - Nash and Gasol aren't the reason for the record.

Phoenix is on the verge of getting there. Nash and Gasol would put them over the top. All they would have to give up would be a few young guys in Bledsoe, Dragic, and Plumlee. And a new coach.



:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


:facepalm




So they give up the guys that have made them successful for some over the hill veterans, one that can barely stand without his back collapsing on him? Okay.



Right now I wouldn't trade Dragic for Nash, Gasol AND a future 1st round pick, pull your head out of your ass.

[livingby3's]

Again with the insults. Do you have to use that word?

Yeah, a 2x champion and 4x all-star has no real value. And I guess Nash with his 2 MVP awards has no value either right?

My goodness, it's absurd how bitter people can be sometime.

Then why not keep them to yourself goon? sign 6 rings 6 fmvps MJ while you're at it

[Lord Bean]

[/B]


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


:facepalm




So they give up the guys that have made them successful for some over the hill veterans, one that can barely stand without his back collapsing on him? Okay.



Right now I wouldn't trade Dragic for Nash, Gasol AND a future 1st round pick, pull your head out of your ass.

What part of this logic is so hard for you to understand? Phoenix is a playoff team. With a 2x MVP and a 4x all star/2x champion, they would be champion contender. It's really not that hard to grasp, my goodness. :facepalm

[Lord Bean]

Then why not keep them to yourself goon? sign 6 rings 6 fmvps MJ while you're at it
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm MJ is retired.

Also, we're clearly looking to tank. Phoenix is looking to win. We want young pieces, Phoenix needs proven talent and winners.

[gin17]

Dantoni isn't giving Nash time, and the Lakers aren't trying to be contenders - Nash and Gasol aren't the reason for the record.

Phoenix is on the verge of getting there. Nash and Gasol would put them over the top. All they would have to give up would be a few young guys in Bledsoe, Dragic, and Plumlee. And a new coach.
the current lakers can't get as good a record as phoenix even if they tried

[Lord Bean]

the current lakers can't get as good a record as phoenix even if they tried
...Of course not. We're tanking, no doubt we're going to have a bad record.

[UK2K]

No legitimate rebuttal or counterargument. Just insults. And we're ridiculous?
Nobody in their right mind would ever trade Bledsoe and Dragic for Gasol. Nobody.

Nobody trades a 27 year old PG/SG on the MVP ladder and a 24 year old G averaging 18,6,4 for a FORMER All-Star who cant even make the playoffs.

Gasol is old and expensive, Dragic and Bledsoe are not.

You cant be serious. Would you trade Dragic/Bledsoe for Gasol? Honestly?

If you would, you should just stop watching basketball.

[niko]

At best the Lakers will get Okafor and some sort of protected pick. That's it. People shouldn't discuss any of the suns players in respect to this trade because they aren't involved.

[guy]

People are really thinking that lord bean is serious?:oldlol:

[gin17]

...Of course not. We're tanking, no doubt we're going to have a bad record.
what im saying is even if you tried hard and not tank, you still cannot get a playoff spot.

if nash and pau are so good, why don't you keep them? the suns doesn't need them as much as you would think. they can get better trades with other teams than the delusional lakers

[Lord Bean]

Nobody in their right mind would ever trade Bledsoe and Dragic for Gasol. Nobody.

Nobody trades a 27 year old PG/SG on the MVP ladder and a 24 year old G averaging 18,6,4 for a FORMER All-Star who cant even make the playoffs.

Gasol is old and expensive, Dragic and Bledsoe are not.

You cant be serious. Would you trade Dragic/Bledsoe for Gasol? Honestly?

If you would, you should just stop watching basketball.
WE ARE TANKING. What part of that can't you understand? It's really not that complicated. Anyone who's above the age of 6 can see that Pau would take that Phoenix team to another level. The trade makes perfect sense on both ends.

[Lord Bean]

what im saying is even if you tried hard and not tank, you still cannot get a playoff spot.

if nash and pau are so good, why don't you keep them? the suns doesn't need them as much as you would think. they can get better trades with other teams than the delusional lakers
Because we're TANKING. We're not set up to win a championship, it doesn't matter how good they are. Phoenix is set up to make noise in the playoffs. With Gasol and Nash they'd be up there with OKC and San Antonio. And LA would get young pieces to go along with existing draft picks for the future.

[gin17]

WE ARE TANKING. What part of that can't you understand? It's really not that complicated. Anyone who's above the age of 6 can see that Pau would take that Phoenix team to another level. The trade makes perfect sense on both ends.
makes sense in your delusional mind.

keep dreaming that this trade will happen, because it never will. have fun in your tanking laker fan :banana:

[Jameerthefear]

this thread is all you need to tell you that lakers fans are fvcking retarded.

[Lord Bean]

makes sense in your delusional mind.

keep dreaming that this trade will happen, because it never will. have fun in your tanking laker fan :banana:
:oldlol: You're the one dismissing the impact of a 4x all star 2x champion and a 2x MVP, and I'M the one who's delusional. Funny stuff man.

[UK2K]

WE ARE TANKING. What part of that can't you understand? It's really not that complicated. Anyone who's above the age of 6 can see that Pau would take that Phoenix team to another level. The trade makes perfect sense on both ends.
So take off Dragic and Bledsoe and add Gasol and they get better?

So Gasol on the Suns minus those two and the Suns are better then the Rockets and Clippers and get home court advantage?

Ok.....

[Lord Bean]

So take off Dragic and Bledsoe and add Gasol and they get better?

So Gasol on the Suns minus those two and the Suns are better then the Rockets and Clippers and get home court advantage?

Ok.....
:facepalm
Let's try this again. The Suns are a playoff team. With Gasol and Nash, they'd be championship contenders. Get it yet?

[gin17]

:oldlol: You're the one dismissing the impact of a 4x all star 2x champion and a 2x MVP, and I'M the one who's delusional. Funny stuff man.
whatever. if this trade happens, call me. for now, have fun thinking about your hypothetical situations :banana:

i don't know why i'm taking this lord bean guy seriously but hey, it's not too bad to talk with a delusional laker fan once in a while :banana:

[Lord Bean]

whatever. if this trade happens, call me. for now, have fun thinking about your hypothetical situations :banana:

i don't know why i'm taking this lord bean guy seriously but hey, it's not too bad to talk with a delusional laker fan once in a while :banana:
:facepalm How am I going to call you without your number? I swear some of the people here can't think clearly.

Anyways, I don't even know why I'm talking to a Bobcats who's obsessed with dancing bananas.

[UK2K]

:facepalm
Let's try this again. The Suns are a playoff team. With Gasol and Nash, they'd be championship contenders. Get it yet?
No. I dont.

Youre telling me, in a serious tone, that the line-up of:

Nash
Gerald Green
Morris
Frye
Gasol

Is a championship team?

Is this real?

[Lord Bean]

No. I dont.

Youre telling me, in a serious tone, that the line-up of:

Nash
Gerald Green
Morris
Frye
Gasol

Is a championship team?

Is this real?
Re-read my earlier posts repeatedly. You'll understand eventually. I'm not going to waste my time educating you over and over on something that's really obvious.

[gin17]

:facepalm
Let's try this again. The Suns are a playoff team. With Gasol and Nash, they'd be championship contenders. Get it yet?
adding gasol and nash without losing their core, they MIGHT be contenders. but parting ways with bledsoe and dragic and plumlee in the process? they won't even contend for a playoff spot

i'd rather have bledsoe dragic and plumlee, at least they are still young and can improve and give you more than 3 years of value and entertainment. rather than the 1-2 year window left with gasol and broken nash

[Jameerthefear]

Lord Bean is TROLLING. Stop replying to him. Should be obvious.

[UK2K]

Re-read my earlier posts repeatedly. You'll understand eventually. I'm not going to waste my time educating you over and over on something that's really obvious.
Thats not obvious. At all.

That team would beat the Thunder? Or the Heat? Or the Pacers?

What are you on?

[Lord Bean]

Lord Bean is TROLLING. Stop replying to him. Should be obvious.
You have such an obvious anti-Laker agenda. Not everything that doesn't go hand in hand with your opinions is "trolling".

[Jameerthefear]

He is trolling. Put him on your ignore list and move on.

[gin17]

Lord Bean is TROLLING. Stop replying to him. Should be obvious.
i know, but by talking to a delusional laker, i can add to my post count for free

[Lord Bean]

adding gasol and nash without losing their core, they MIGHT be contenders. but parting ways with bledsoe and dragic and plumlee in the process? they won't even contend for a playoff spot

i'd rather have bledsoe dragic and plumlee, at least they are still young and can improve and give you more than 3 years of value and entertainment. rather than the 1-2 year window left with gasol and broken nash
They're losing young, inexperienced guys for a 2x champion/4x all star and a 2x MVP. Or in other words, proven talent and proven winners. They would absolutely be contenders. It's not at all that hard to grasp.

[Jameerthefear]

i know, but by talking to a delusional laker, i can add to my post count for free
There is no benefit. Stop giving him what he wants and just stop replying.

[livingby3's]

He is trolling. Put him on your ignore list and move on.

Aye. QFT

[Lord Bean]

i know, but by talking to a delusional laker, i can add to my post count for free
You haven't made one legitimate argument, all you've done is call me delusional and told me to call you - which is weird by the way.

[gin17]

They're losing young, inexperienced guys for a 2x champion/4x all star and a 2x MVP. Or in other words, proven talent and proven winners. They would absolutely be contenders. It's not at all that hard to grasp.
anthony davis is young and inexperienced, but i will rather have him than nash and gasol combined


There is no benefit. Stop giving him what he wants and just stop replying.
ok. signing off

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[Lord Bean]

anthony davis is young and inexperienced, but i will rather have him than nash and gasol combined

:oldlol: Are you seriously comparing Anthony Davis, a future all-time great to Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe? You must be a comedian.

[poido123]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm MJ is retired.

Also, we're clearly looking to tank. Phoenix is looking to win. We want young pieces, Phoenix needs proven talent and winners.

Some funny posts in this thread.

And this guy, Wow. :oldlol:

Candidate for most delusional and unknowledgeable poster on ISH?

:hammerhead: :lol

[Lord Bean]

Some funny posts in this thread.

And this guy, Wow. :oldlol:

Candidate for most delusional and unknowledgeable poster on ISH?

:hammerhead: :lol
Oh look, another rude poster who can't form a legitimate argument, but resorts to insults to compensate for it.

:sleeping NEXT.

[Sharmer]

Lakers need to get rid of him.

[UK2K]

Oh look, another rude poster who can't form a legitimate argument, but resorts to insults to compensate for it.

:sleeping NEXT.

You basically said Nash/Gasol > Dragic/Bledsoe

There's no argument needed.

[Lord Bean]

You basically said Nash/Gasol > Dragic/Bledsoe

There's no argument needed.
That's not at all what I said, but continue twisting my words. Whatever makes you feel good inside.

[UK2K]

That's not at all what I said, but continue twisting my words. Whatever makes you feel good inside.
You said Nash (I'll even give you a healthy Nash) and Gasol on this Phoenix team is a title contender.

That's all that matters lol

[Lord Bean]

You said Nash (I'll even give you a healthy Nash) and Gasol on this Phoenix team is a title contender.

That's all that matters lol
Phoenix is a playoff team. Adding a 4x allstar/2x champion and 2x MVP would clearly make them a contender. What don't you understand?

[livingby3's]

Phoenix is a playoff team. Adding a 4x allstar/2x champion and 2x MVP would clearly make them a contender. What don't you understand?

You're just trolling but, that moment when u realise 24+25+27 is only 4 years older than 33+39

[Lord Bean]

You're just trolling but, that moment when u realise 24+25+27 is only 4 years older than 33+39
Once again, I'm not trolling. Differing opinions =/= trolling.

And what does age matter when the players in question are high quality and Phoenix wants to win now?

[MichaelCorleone]

Once again, I'm not trolling. Differing opinions =/= trolling.

And what does age matter when the players in question are high quality and Phoenix wants to win now?
Explain to me why Gasol and Nash/Lakers aren't winning now please.

[Lord Bean]

Explain to me why Gasol and Nash/Lakers aren't winning now please.
:facepalm The Lakers aren't set up to win. Phoenix is. How is that hard to understand? Gasol and Nash are good, but they're not Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. They're not going to transcend a tanking team's furious efforts for a lottery pick. In Phoenix they could actually put them over the top.

[Sharmer]

Explain to me why Gasol and Nash/Lakers aren't winning now please.

because they've decline significantly from their prime. Nash is useless on defense. Gasol slows down the offensive because he's too slow up and down the court.

[VIntageNOvel]

lord bean is a kobe haters gimmick account
SMH people actually argue with him :facepalm

[VIntageNOvel]

He is trolling. Put him on your ignore list and move on.


this:facepalm

you're dumb arguing with him

[Embers]

The worst trade option I can think of for Phoenix unless they want to play Pau at the C. I strongly suggest they watch Bobcats v Lakers if they think that is a good idea.

From there position id prefer a SF like Evan Turner

If they want a C id target Larry Sanders and think more long term about it

[MVBallin2K]

Explain to me why Gasol and Nash/Lakers aren't winning now please.

I'm not at all defending the point that they would be winning if it weren't for injuries but Nash has barely even played to say that he deserves to be linked into this...which has been a problem.

Pau Gasol averaged 20-10 last month. Gasol was playing with Marshall, Meeks, Wes Johnson and Ryan Kelly. Young off the bench sure but is that really a team that's gonna win you many games?

I'm one of the few that would rather just see Pau finish his Laker career until the end of the year but it's unfortunate when you watch Laker games and see his frustration these days. Guy deserves better for a player that helped bring LA 2 rings and while I may not want to see him go, I respect him enough to know that he deserves that.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lord Bean you mutha fcuka son of a B!tch...**** sucking punk mutha fcuka

stop ruining the quality of this forum...u pathetic b!tch made

[UK2K]

Phoenix is a playoff team. Adding a 4x allstar/2x champion and 2x MVP would clearly make them a contender. What don't you understand?

Because, as good as Gasol is, and he is good dont me wrong, hes too expensive and is old. As the GM of the Suns with two (should have been) all-star guards, why would you trade away young talent for an old Gasol and a shell of his former self Nash, who is pretty garbage.

That trade makes no sense. None whatsoever.

Thats like the Rockets trading Parsons and Jones for Garnett and Pierce. That would be stupid.

[Lord Bean]

lord bean is a kobe haters gimmick account
SMH people actually argue with him :facepalm
:facepalm
Kobe is my favorite player. This is no gimmick.
It's a freakin basketball forum. You're going to have differing opinions. Calling them "trolling" or "gimmicks" is just a lazy way to avoid actual discussion.

[Lord Bean]

Because, as good as Gasol is, and he is good dont me wrong, hes too expensive and is old. As the GM of the Suns with two (should have been) all-star guards, why would you trade away young talent for an old Gasol and a shell of his former self Nash, who is pretty garbage.

That trade makes no sense. None whatsoever.

Thats like the Rockets trading Parsons and Jones for Garnett and Pierce. That would be stupid.
Not at all, really. Garnett and Pierce both have one foot into retirement. Pau and Nash can actually put Phoenix into championship contention.

[Lord Bean]

I'm not at all defending the point that they would be winning if it weren't for injuries but Nash has barely even played to say that he deserves to be linked into this...which has been a problem.

Pau Gasol averaged 20-10 last month. Gasol was playing with Marshall, Meeks, Wes Johnson and Ryan Kelly. Young off the bench sure but is that really a team that's gonna win you many games?

I'm one of the few that would rather just see Pau finish his Laker career until the end of the year but it's unfortunate when you watch Laker games and see his frustration these days. Guy deserves better for a player that helped bring LA 2 rings and while I may not want to see him go, I respect him enough to know that he deserves that.
THANK YOU. Gasol is still a very good player, and a beast down low when he's given the chance to be one. On an organized, playoff built to win now like Phoenix, he can put them into the championship mix.

[Smook A.]

Phoenix is a playoff team. Adding a 4x allstar/2x champion and 2x MVP would clearly make them a contender. What don't you understand?
Nash is done

[Lord Bean]

Nash is done
He's about as done as Ray Allen - he's not. He can still give you good production and make the big plays when you need them most.

[Smook A.]

He's about as done as Ray Allen - he's not. He can still give you good production and make the big plays when you need them most.
Hes broken down. When I say Nash is done I mean he's not physically strong to play a sport anymore.

[Lord Bean]

Hes broken down. When I say Nash is done I mean he's not physically strong to play a sport anymore.
Oh so you've talked to him personally and know exactly how he's feeling? What was the last movie he watched?

[Smook A.]

Oh so you've talked to him personally and know exactly how he's feeling? What was the last movie he watched?
Lol he just recently came back to practice and felt some back pain. Sit down, son. You know nothing.

[Lord Bean]

Lol he just recently came back to practice and felt some back pain. Sit down, son. You know nothing.
He's most likely returning on Tuesday. He'll be fine, I don't know what you're getting at.

And I'm on my laptop already sitting down, what were you trying to say with that?

[MVBallin2K]

:facepalm
Kobe is my favorite player. This is no gimmick.
It's a freakin basketball forum. You're going to have differing opinions. Calling them "trolling" or "gimmicks" is just a lazy way to avoid actual discussion.

Welcome to ISH, if you're going to stick around these parts, you're going to have to accept that sometimes opinions and logic aren't taken into account. People will call you a troll due to the amount of alternate accounts posters will create as you just signed up recently.

Pau Gasol is a good dude and a model employee who has had to put up with a lot of crap from people for years. Compare him to Lamar Odom as both were part of the veteod CP3 trade and it's amazing he's not only playing for the same team but still trying despite his limitations with age. Guy never speaks ill of anyone even if he doesn't appear to care for them. Gives to the community with a heart of gold and taken the ridicule of Laker fan's in stride. Regardless of he debate of what he's worth, any team would be fortunate to have him.

[redboy]

nash's back is honestly preventing him from physically playing the sport of basketball

totally different from ray allen

[LONGTIME]

Pau and Nash can actually put Phoenix into championship contention.

:biggums:

[All Net]

Only way it happens if more than one pick is included. Bet we want one young player too.

[BlackVVaves]

This gimmick troll account :roll:

[blackification]

Only way it happens if more than one pick is included. Bet we want one young player too.
I get that you guys want value for Pau but people do realize that the Cavs just offered him for bynums expiring and a second rounder?

Why would the suns slap on a first when they are giving a better expiring and the market value doesn't require it

[poido123]

I get that you guys want value for Pau but people do realize that the Cavs just offered him for bynums expiring and a second rounder?

Why would the suns slap on a first when they are giving a better expiring and the market value doesn't require it


This is an excellent post.

What Lakers want for Gasol and what they will get for Gasol are two different stratospheres...

Lakers will be pushing for a 1st rounder with Okafor, but likely have to settle for 2nd rounder.

[fiddy]

People are delusional/retarded if they think the Lakers will do a trade for anything less than a 1st rounder. Possibly Indiana's late first rounder which doesnt bring that much value. :facepalm

[poido123]

People are delusional/retarded if they think the Lakers will do a trade for anything less than a 1st rounder. Possibly Indiana's late first rounder which doesnt bring that much value. :facepalm


Not at all.

If we go by a recent trade offer, Cleveland offered up Bynum's expiring (less valuable than Okafor's) and a second rounder like the previous poster said.

Sure, we could be wrong here and the Lakers GM pulls off another fleecing, but there is nothing delusional/retarded for suggesting that Okafor and 2nd rounder is where the market value is.

[blackification]

Not at all.

If we go by a recent trade offer, Cleveland offered up Bynum's expiring (less valuable than Okafor's) and a second rounder like the previous poster said.

Sure, we could be wrong here and the Lakers GM pulls off another fleecing, but there is nothing delusional/retarded for suggesting that Okafor and 2nd rounder is where the market value is.
Exactly. Its actually delusional/retarded to think anyone is going to give back the lakers pick next year or any first rounder that is top 20

I can see them giving up the Pacers pick because there are a lot of people that say its better to have a second rounder because of the smaller contracts they get. The suns have the lakers 2014 second round pick they can have that back if they want

[fiddy]

Not at all.

If we go by a recent trade offer, Cleveland offered up Bynum's expiring (less valuable than Okafor's) and a second rounder like the previous poster said.

Sure, we could be wrong here and the Lakers GM pulls off another fleecing, but there is nothing delusional/retarded for suggesting that Okafor and 2nd rounder is where the market value is.
Take your meds. Lakers are better off without that 2nd rounder. Pau can fit very nicely with Dragic and eventually can help the Suns make a deep playoff run. Anything less than 2 picks (Indy's 1st and a 2nd rounder) is a joke.

[fiddy]

Exactly. Its actually delusional/retarded to think anyone is going to give back the lakers pick next year or any first rounder that is top 20
Indy's first rounder is Top 20? Since when?

[blackification]

Indy's first rounder is Top 20? Since when?
I never said it was?

[fiddy]

Up for an avy bet? If the Lakers trade Pau for Okafor +2nd rounder i will put an avatar of your choice for 3 months? If not, the other way around.

[blackification]

Up for an avy bet? If the Lakers trade Pau for Okafor +2nd rounder i will put an avatar of your choice for 3 months? If not you the other way around.
Nope I think the Lakers are too proud and arrogant to do it even if it is the best they can get. With all the shit the fans give the current owner he will probably not risk pissing them off even more by doing it and as a result make their tank worse by keeping Pau.

[fiddy]

Nope I think the Lakers are too proud and arrogant to do it even if it is the best they can get. With all the shit the fans give the current owner he will probably not risk pissing them off even more by doing it and as a result make their tank worse by keeping Pau.
:roll: :roll:

[poido123]

Up for an avy bet? If the Lakers trade Pau for Okafor +2nd rounder i will put an avatar of your choice for 3 months? If not, the other way around.

What if it is a stalemate and nothing happens :confusedshrug:

Otherwise, if Lakers get a better deal than Okafor and 2nd rounder with Suns, I'll take up that Avy bet :cheers:

[fiddy]

What if it is a stalemate and nothing happens :confusedshrug:

Otherwise, if Lakers get a better deal than Okafor and 2nd rounder with Suns, I'll take up that Avy bet :cheers:
The bet is off if no deal happens before the deadline. I guess its on. Time for Mitch to do his magic once agin :pimp:

Thread bookmarked :pimp:

[longtime lurker]

People are delusional/retarded if they think the Lakers will do a trade for anything less than a 1st rounder. Possibly Indiana's late first rounder which doesnt bring that much value. :facepalm

This. Luol Deng was just traded for 4 draft picks! Gasol's value is a lot greater than Deng's especially to a playoff team. I know people hate the Lakers but let's get real here. Gasol for LA's 2015 pick and Indy's pick seems most likely

[All Net]

I get that you guys want value for Pau but people do realize that the Cavs just offered him for bynums expiring and a second rounder?

Why would the suns slap on a first when they are giving a better expiring and the market value doesn't require it

And reason why we said no was Cavs refused to part with Walters. Mitch is happy to let Pau expire. Trading Pau save some money but not loads. As Pau expires soon enough.

Unless they get a young player/1st rounder I can't see Pau being moved

[Sharmer]

This. Luol Deng was just traded for 4 draft picks! Gasol's value is a lot greater than Deng's especially to a playoff team. I know people hate the Lakers but let's get real here. Gasol for LA's 2015 pick and Indy's pick seems most likely


You're over rated Gasol value, he could be valuable, but in the context of the current league, big men need to be mobile now. He's liability unless he can get his feet set on both offense and defense.

[fiddy]

You're over rated Gasol value, he could be valuable, but in the context of the current league, big men need to be mobile now. He's liability unless he can get his feet set on both offense and defense.
So.... you agree that Pau is worth a 2nd rounder, while Deng is worth 3 picks + future swap? :bowdown:

Jesus, whats wrong with people :facepalm

[Sharmer]

So.... you agree that Pau is worth a 2nd rounder, while Deng is worth 3 picks + future swap? :bowdown:

Jesus, whats wrong with people :facepalm


Based on the demands of the league, Deng would be of more value. But not worth 3 picks + future swap, so you have a good point.

[poido123]

This. Luol Deng was just traded for 4 draft picks! Gasol's value is a lot greater than Deng's especially to a playoff team. I know people hate the Lakers but let's get real here. Gasol for LA's 2015 pick and Indy's pick seems most likely

Gasol more trade value than Deng? Nah. That is a stretch my man. One player is in his prime on an expiring contract, the other is a player with no more than 2 good years left on an expiring.

You could argue that Gasol has more value to the Suns in their current situation, but to any other team? No, not really.

This is the Gasol that quite a few Laker fans were saying sucks on defense and lacks motivation/drive earlier in the year and parts of last year. He still gets abused by bigger and more physical players, that won't change.

Those draft picks we got for Deng were pretty weak ones. It was basically a salary dump.

Now, I don't want to come accross hating, I'm just getting the vibe that some Laker fans are overvaluing Gasol, but on the other hand were consistently berating him on his flaws when he was struggling...

Look, you guys might get a good deal, purely because your GM is better than most. But it won't be because Gasol is worth a good pick or two with Okafor.

[blackification]

This. Luol Deng was just traded for 4 draft picks! Gasol's value is a lot greater than Deng's especially to a playoff team. I know people hate the Lakers but let's get real here. Gasol for LA's 2015 pick and Indy's pick seems most likely
Uh they refused to add those draft picks to get Pau but used them to get Deng. Yet Gasol's value is higher? How does that make any sense

[MMM]

And reason why we said no was Cavs refused to part with Walters. Mitch is happy to let Pau expire. Trading Pau save some money but not loads. As Pau expires soon enough.

Unless they get a young player/1st rounder I can't see Pau being moved

I don't think it was realistic for LA to get Dion. he still has a lot of potential and it would of looked like Cle was admitting a mistake as he was a high end lotto pick.

As for what LA will get i think tax relief is being underrated. LA has a lot of $$$ to spend but it doesn't really make sense to pay the tax in losing season under the new CBA. Tax money is better spent in contending years so wasting it in a tanking season might make it harder in contending years to keep teams together.

Phx might be willing to give up a young player just due to fit. Maybe one of the Morris twins plus Ind pick but that LA would need to add something to make the contracts work.

Okafor, one of the Morris, Ind Pick
for
Gasol Plus filler seems fair to me.

Don't think the Suns would add LA pick as it might still be valuable next season. No way of telling if LA is gonna build a suitable team in one offseason. LA might be a lotto team next season as well.

[longtime lurker]

Uh they refused to add those draft picks to get Pau but used them to get Deng. Yet Gasol's value is higher? How does that make any sense

False. They refused to do the trade because the Lakers wanted waiters.

[cos88]

So.... you agree that Pau is worth a 2nd rounder, while Deng is worth 3 picks + future swap? :bowdown:

Jesus, whats wrong with people :facepalm


pau will be 34 in 4 months you bulgarian gipsy piece of shit

[blackification]

False. They refused to do the trade because the Lakers wanted waiters.
Lakers wanted a lot of things, all we know is the cavs didn't give them either one

[MichaelCorleone]

Dragic is UNTOUCHABLE right now. He's OUR superstar.

[RichieW]

So.... you agree that Pau is worth a 2nd rounder, while Deng is worth 3 picks + future swap? :bowdown:

Jesus, whats wrong with people :facepalm

Deng is a 28 year old elite perimeter defender in a league where Lebron, Durant and George are three of the top 5 players.

Pau Gasol is soon to be 34 and one of the worst defenders of the pick and roll in the league.

Anyone who gives up a first for Pau needs to get slapped.

[blackification]

Deng is a 28 year old elite perimeter defender in a league where Lebron, Durant and George are three of the top 5 players.

Pau Gasol is soon to be 34 and one of the worst defenders of the pick and roll in the league.

Anyone who gives up a first for Pau needs to get slapped.
Yea but your forgetting he plays for the lakers!! and they like want things for him you know???

[r0drig0lac]

Quit making shit up.

The Lakers have the 6th worst record in the league right now. That puts them in the running for the top 6 most talked about players.

Also I'd rather let Gasol walk then trade him for Okafor. Gasol + Nash for 2 1st round picks, Plumlee, Okafor and filler. Take it or leave it Phoenix.
:lol

[fiddy]

Deng is a 28 year old elite perimeter defender in a league where Lebron, Durant and George are three of the top 5 players.

Pau Gasol is soon to be 34 and one of the worst defenders of the pick and roll in the league.

Anyone who gives up a first for Pau needs to get slapped.
He has still some gas in the tank. Pau brings championship experience, he has actually won two titles while Deng hasnt even appear in a single ECF game. Pau is a better finisher and scorer.

I cant believe all that hate on the Lakers, people talking about Pau like hes Ryan Kelly or something :facepalm


Yea but your forgetting he plays for the lakers!! and they like want things for him you know???

Thank you for hating input, it was extremely valuable.

[MMM]

He has still some gas in the tank. Pau brings championship experience, he has actually won two titles while Deng hasnt even appear in a single ECF game. Pau is a better finisher and scorer.

I cant believe all that hate on the Lakers, people talking about Pau like hes Ryan Kelly or something :facepalm



Thank you for hating input, it was extremely valuable.

Was Deng hurt in 2011???

While Gasol is a better finisher Deng's defense makes him a lot more valuable. It is not like Deng isn't a capable scorer in his own right, and finally he is still in the prime of his career.

[RichieW]

He has still some gas in the tank. Pau brings championship experience, he has actually won two titles while Deng hasnt even appear in a single ECF game. Pau is a better finisher and scorer.

I cant believe all that hate on the Lakers, people talking about Pau like hes Ryan Kelly or something :facepalm

Pau is ok, but he just cant defend anymore. Whatever he gives you on offence he takes away of defence, similar to Steve Nash.

Gasol isn't going to be a difference maker for the Suns this year and given his poor defence they shouldn't be looking to re sign him after his deal runs out.

I just don't see why the Suns would want to give up a pick for him. The Pacers pick at #30 maybe but definitely not anything that would be in the mid first.

[HurricaneKid]

Ok now to the Gasol rumors. The Suns want to trade the Okafor contract, Gasol is one of about 10 options they are considering but he is hurt

The Suns would not give up a first round pick for Gasol only Okafor because it adds 8 mill in payroll and subtracts 13 off LAs books.

https://twitter.com/Gambo987?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.real gm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D1301 644%26start%3D60&tw_i=430175015573549057&tw_p=tweetembed

GL LAL fans. Looks like its not going to happen with any picks at all.

[PejaNowitzki]

Ok now to the Gasol rumors. The Suns want to trade the Okafor contract, Gasol is one of about 10 options they are considering but he is hurt

The Suns would not give up a first round pick for Gasol only Okafor because it adds 8 mill in payroll and subtracts 13 off LAs books.

https://twitter.com/Gambo987?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.real gm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D1301 644%26start%3D60&tw_i=430175015573549057&tw_p=tweetembed

GL LAL fans. Looks like its not going to happen with any picks at all.



Its common sense to anyone who isn't a delusional Lakers fan. Gasol is aging, plays less defense than ever before, runs around the court at the speed of a baby sloth, his overall value is limited, especially with his ridiculous salary number.


If the Lakers could get Okafor to save a whole ton of money and even a late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in 2014 or 2015, that is about as good as it gets for them, anyone who thinks they would get anymore in a trade is nuts. The Suns have a lot of other options and they know that the Lakers will get hammered with a massive luxury tax amount if they can't drop some salary.


Anyone who thinks that the Lakers saving 13+ million doesn't matter to the organization in the midst of a lost season is also nuts. That is a lot of cheddar that they can end up saving over a relatively short period of games.

[RichieW]

For example if I'm the Suns, I'd offer Okafor + pick for Boozer + pick. That would give the Bulls cap space this summer to add another piece to a still talented group of Rose/Noah/Gibson/Butler.

In terms of the pick choices, I'd expect the Suns to be moving up in the draft by a few spots. Maybe Suns 1st for Bulls 1st (would be #24 for #17 right now)

[Brokenbeat]

For example if I'm the Suns, I'd offer Okafor + pick for Boozer + pick. That would give the Bulls cap space this summer to add another piece to a still talented group of Rose/Noah/Gibson/Butler.

In terms of the pick choices, I'd expect the Suns to be moving up in the draft by a few spots. Maybe Suns 1st for Bulls 1st (would be #24 for #17 right now)

Lol, bet Suns fan are glad you're not their GM.

[RichieW]

Lol, bet Suns fan are glad you're not their GM.

Boozer could be a good piece for them. Lets face it, they aren't winning anything this year so Boozer as a player doesn't really matter much.

Sweeten it a bit for the Suns on the picks. Okafor + Pacers 1st (#30) for Boozer + Bobcats 1st (#15, possible lottery). Moving up 15 places in this draft is big and they will have Boozers expiring next year to move for talent/picks.

Obviously the Bulls get out from that contract and get cap space this summer.

I think it's a good deal for both sides. Given the option I'd take Boozer and trading up in the draft over Gasol and losing picks in the draft.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Lakers fans one week "pau is the worst player in the league, why is he getting minutes, he is terrible"
Lakers fans when a Pau rumour pops up "Pau is a top 5 PF in this league, Pau is amazing and would be a great addition, Pau is worth so much"
this post shows how much you pay attention to the nba. pau has been beasting the past few weeks. what was thought of pau a month or 2 ago is totally irrelevant in this discussion.

[RichieW]

this post shows how much you pay attention to the nba. pau has been beasting the past few weeks. what was thought of pau a month or 2 ago is totally irrelevant in this discussion.

Beasting his way to 6 straight losses? Dude is a defensive liability these days

[kurple]

pau doesnt have any value. would hesitate to trade a late first for him

lakers want to dump him to help the tanking. why would anyone give up assets to help the lakers even more?

[niko]

pau doesnt have any value. would hesitate to trade a late first for him

lakers want to dump him to help the tanking. why would anyone give up assets to help the lakers even more?
Phoenix has four picks, giving a late one, a protected one strikes me as a good play. it gives them an asset in Pau, makes them better (if you ain't tanking be better) and you can't play 100 young guys. You wind up just stunting everyone's development.

Okafor and a protected pick to me is fair. Anything more i don't get why, anything else seems like Phoneix is reaching and doesn't really want to improve.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Beasting his way to 6 straight losses? Dude is a defensive liability these days
And?

[magic chiongson]

do it mitch. or this


Possible three way trade with the Wolves?


2016 nba champions :bowdown:

[wally_world]

Tbh i wouldnt give anything more than a 2nd rounder on top of Okafor for Pau. He's basically a half season rental. Lakers save a shit load of money, on paper Pau for Okafor saves $5 million, and Okafor's contract is heavily insured, Lakers will ultimately save at least $12 million in this trade.

[alec613]

pau doesnt have any value. would hesitate to trade a late first for him

lakers want to dump him to help the tanking. why would anyone give up assets to help the lakers even more?


C'mon dude. You should know better than that.
Don't let hate cloud your vision.



Lakers will definitely bite on Okafor + Indy picks + increase of protection on that 2015 pick

[oh the horror]

I get that you guys want value for Pau but people do realize that the Cavs just offered him for bynums expiring and a second rounder?

Why would the suns slap on a first when they are giving a better expiring and the market value doesn't require it



Just because one team offered it, doesn't mean that's concrete "market value".


The lakers didn't pull the trigger and I don't believe they would have even if Chicago didn't step in.

[Twiens]

I've read Pau has some sort of trade-kicker that increases his contract even more upon being traded? Just trade him for Okafor and be done with it, this is Sacre's team now.

[Run&Gun=Fun]

Can someone please explain to me how Dragic and Bledsoe for Gasol is such a terrible proposition? And an experienced, classy veteran in Nash, who made Phoenix relevant again in the mid-2000s, for Plumlee and Hornacek?

Phoenix gets their 1-2 punch to take them from a playoff team to contenders, the Lakers get young pieces for the future.

Wow! Oh my.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

whenever u can get a 1,5 times finals MVP u gotta go for it imo:coleman:

[r0drig0lac]

I've read Pau has some sort of trade-kicker that increases his contract even more upon being traded? Just trade him for Okafor and be done with it, this is Sacre's team now.
:lol

[All Net]

Ok now to the Gasol rumors. The Suns want to trade the Okafor contract, Gasol is one of about 10 options they are considering but he is hurt

The Suns would not give up a first round pick for Gasol only Okafor because it adds 8 mill in payroll and subtracts 13 off LAs books.

https://twitter.com/Gambo987?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.real gm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D1301 644%26start%3D60&tw_i=430175015573549057&tw_p=tweetembed

GL LAL fans. Looks like its not going to happen with any picks at all.

Wont happen at all if there are no picks involved.

[no pun intended]

[QUOTE=NBA.com]No. 1: Suns exploring possibilities for Gasol deal

[gin17]

[quote] Report: Suns halt Pau trade talks

Gasol needs more time to heal up