Is Peyton Manning the football Wilt Chamberlain?

[navy]

GOAT Regular Season Performer
Playoff Choker

The only difference is Peyton's forehead is longer than Wilt's body. :confusedshrug:

[Smook A.]

more like LeBron. He used to choke in the playoffs just like Peyton does. Also both lost in 2 championship games

[LeGOAT]

This isn't NBA related just because you tossed Wilt Chamberlain's name in the title. You guys just cant refrain from trolling.

[navy]

more like LeBron. He used to choke in the playoffs just like Peyton does. Also both lost in 2 championship games
Lebron is Tom Brady, won with stacked teams and collusion and lost two championship games.

[Smook A.]

Lebron is Tom Brady, won with stacked teams and collusion and lost two championship games.
Same can be said for Kobe lol
Kobe also lost 2 championship games. Also both Kobe and Brady are the 2nd greatest in their positions

[Psileas]

GOAT

The only difference is Peyton's forehead is longer than Wilt's body. :confusedshrug:

Fixed. I don't know about Manning and football players, I don't know if he's a strong GOAT candidate in his sport and a GOAT athlete candidate, like Wilt is, but as far as I've heard, football fans and media aren't that obsessed with the whole "GOAT" matter, as basketball fans are.

[cos88]

is op the anthony bennett of internet posters?

[kurple]

one player cant win on his own, especially in football. i'll admit he seemed a bit shook, but the broncos didnt lose because of Manning

[crisoner]

one player cant win on his own, especially in football. i'll admit he seemed a bit shook, but the broncos didnt lose because of Manning

This.....that Seahawks secondary is the best I have ever seen.

[CelticBaller]

one player cant win on his own, especially in football. i'll admit he seemed a bit shook, but the broncos didnt lose because of Manning
Seemed a bit shook? The dude was blaming the crowd noise FFS. Then proceeded to say his performance wasn't embarrassing. 2 ints, one pick six. This is the man that anchors the offense, if he gets all the praise for the wins then he deserves the blame when they only score 8 PTs :coleman:

[kurple]

This.....that Seahawks secondary is the best I have ever seen.
me too

[kurple]

Seemed a bit shook? The dude was blaming the crowd noise FFS. Then proceeded to say his performance wasn't embarrassing. 2 ints, one pick six. This is the man that anchors the offense, if he gets all the praise for the wins then he deserves the blame when they only score 8 PTs :coleman:
i dont give manning all the praise when they win, so i wont give him all the blame either

i dont care what the american media does

he had no protection, the defense was horrible and special teams even worse. And the Seahawks defense was really special, they deserved to win.

[Solefade]

i dont give manning all the praise when they win, so i wont give him all the blame either

i dont care what the american media does

he had no protection, the defense was horrible and special teams even worse. And the Seahawks defense was really special, they deserved to win.


excuses lol



brady >>>>>>>>>> manning

[kurple]

didnt manning just beat brady?

[AnaheimLakers24]

brady is the biggest choker ever right after lechoke

[Prometheus]

brady is the biggest choker ever right after lechoke

6/24 homie

[ArbitraryWater]

Seemed a bit shook? The dude was blaming the crowd noise FFS. Then proceeded to say his performance wasn't embarrassing. 2 ints, one pick six. This is the man that anchors the offense, if he gets all the praise for the wins then he deserves the blame when they only score 8 PTs :coleman:

Terry Bradshaw has a 14-5 record in the playoffs; better than your little primadona ****-boy, Brady.

[AnaheimLakers24]

6/24 homie
and he still got himself a ring "homie" :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

and he still got himself a ring "homie" :roll:

wow did you just actually point out how his great cast carried him? finally some credit

[moe94]

and he still got himself a ring "homie" :roll:

Are you saying Kobe got carried? :oldlol:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Are you saying Kobe got carried? :oldlol:
no :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Manning did win one superbowl... against REX GROSSMAN

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He's the LeBron of the NFL. The media darling (hence all of the MVPs) and overrated as hell. If Russell Wilson was Peyton Manning he would have won the MVP award for his performance last night. And it wouldn't even be a question either.

[Illuminati]

and he still got himself a ring "homie" :roll:
:oldlol:

Ethered himself. What an idiot.

[Rose'sACL]

Manning did win one superbowl... against REX GROSSMAN

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He's the LeBron of the NFL. The media darling (hence all of the MVPs) and overrated as hell. If Russell Wilson was Peyton Manning he would have won the MVP award for his performance last night. And it wouldn't even be a question either.
did u just compare durant to rex grossman? i thought you were an OKC fan/durant stan.

[russwest0]

did u just compare durant to rex grossman?

Nope. Never once brought up Durant.

[moe94]

Nope. Never once brought up Durant.

What's good with those freaks? Did you give up? :biggums:

[Prometheus]

Nope. Never once brought up Durant.

if you go back and read what you said, you're either implying that rex grossman is Durant or Duncan. :confusedshrug:

[kurple]

Manning did win one superbowl... against REX GROSSMAN

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He's the LeBron of the NFL. The media darling (hence all of the MVPs) and overrated as hell. If Russell Wilson was Peyton Manning he would have won the MVP award for his performance last night. And it wouldn't even be a question either.
seahawks defense and special teams won the game. not russell wilson

[Euroleague]

one player cant win on his own, especially in football. i'll admit he seemed a bit shook, but the broncos didnt lose because of Manning

He looked like he wished he could go home about 3 minutes into the game.

[Solefade]

if you go back and read what you said, you're either implying that rex grossman is Durant or Duncan. :confusedshrug:


kobetards ethering themselves this morning :lol

[tmacattack33]

didnt manning just beat brady?


This.

Kinda strange how he is still labeled more of a choker than Brady, even though Brady choked twice recently in the super bowl, and he just lost to Manning two weeks ago.

[Bush4Ever]

While I sort of agree with the narrative of Wilt being an underperformer in the big moments, I do think it is important one take great care with how they go about making the argument, because there are a lot of subtle nuances in the dynamic that rarely get mentioned in the usual discussions.

I am not enough of a football fan to know for sure, but it seems like Peyton today might actually enjoy the same artifical inflation to his volume statistics as Wilt did in the 1960s. One (Manning) as a result of rule and style changes in the game, and the other mostly due to the pace/number of missed shots/number of minutes played, etc...

[Euroleague]

This.

Kinda strange how he is still labeled more of a choker than Brady, even though Brady choked twice recently in the super bowl, and he just lost to Manning two weeks ago.

So, when David Tyree's helmet makes a once in all of history miracle catch (pure absolute miracle luck), and Asante Samuels misses a wide open interception that he 99 out of 100 times normally makes (choke), right after Brady threw a touchdown pass to put his team up at the end of the game...and the Patriots lose at the end of the game.......

that's "Brady choking".......

So, when the Patriots are about to ice a Superbowl victory and Welker drops a wide open pass to seal the game that he 99 out of 100 times normally catches (choke), and then the Patriots defense lets the Giants score, that's "Brady choking".............

and you equate this to Manning having probably the worst game any quarterback ever played in Superbowl history.............

Yea right, that makes sense. That's 100% obviously totally logical, accurate, objective, non-biased, totally rational, and completely the same thing.

I mean, there is absolutely not even any difference at all.............

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[russwest0]

seahawks defense and special teams won the game. not russell wilson

Yes, and if Denver's special teams and defense won the game, Manning still would have gotten the MVP.

[russwest0]

if you go back and read what you said, you're either implying that rex grossman is Durant or Duncan. :confusedshrug:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I never once brought up Durant or implied anything about him or Duncan.

Yall are making whatever connections you want to make.

[Eric Cartman]

He looked like he wished he could go home about 3 minutes into the game.

He had that "Lebron in the 2011 finals" look in him.

[russwest0]

So when David Tyree's helmet makes a once in all of history miracle catch (pure absolute miracle luck), and Asante Samuels misses a wide open interception that he 99 out of 100 times normally makes (choke), right after Brady threw a touchdown pass to put his team up at the end of the game...and the Patriots lose at the end of the game.......

that's "Brady choking".......

So, when the Patriots are about to ice a Superbowl victory and Welker drops a wide open pass to seal the game that he 99 out of 100 times normally catches (choke), and then the Patriots defense lets the Giants score, that's "Brady choking".............

and you equate this to Manning having probably the worst game any quarterback ever played in Superbowl history.............

Yea right, that makes sense. That's 100% obviously totally logical, accurate, objective, non-biased, totally rational, and completely the same thing.

I mean, there is absolutely not even any difference at all.............

:rolleyes: :facepalm

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[Euroleague]

He had that "Lebron in the 2011 finals" look in him.

True, now that I think about, you are right.

[stanlove1111]

This.

Kinda strange how he is still labeled more of a choker than Brady, even though Brady choked twice recently in the super bowl, and he just lost to Manning two weeks ago.

This board is full of idiots. Why do you idiots insist on saying someone choked everytime they lose? A QB in football is only on the field half the time for starters..

[KyrieTheFuture]

Why do people never blame the offensive line? You give your QB 1 second to throw all game and you're gonna struggle.

[Stringer Bell]

So, when David Tyree's helmet makes a once in all of history miracle catch (pure absolute miracle luck), and Asante Samuels misses a wide open interception that he 99 out of 100 times normally makes (choke), right after Brady threw a touchdown pass to put his team up at the end of the game...and the Patriots lose at the end of the game.......

that's "Brady choking".......

So, when the Patriots are about to ice a Superbowl victory and Welker drops a wide open pass to seal the game that he 99 out of 100 times normally catches (choke), and then the Patriots defense lets the Giants score, that's "Brady choking".............

and you equate this to Manning having probably the worst game any quarterback ever played in Superbowl history.............

Yea right, that makes sense. That's 100% obviously totally logical, accurate, objective, non-biased, totally rational, and completely the same thing.

I mean, there is absolutely not even any difference at all.............

:rolleyes: :facepalm

There's been worse QB performances than Manning. Elway against the Niners was the worst I've seen, although they were so overmatched. His 2 INTs were some of the worst passes I've ever seen in an NFL game.

He threw one right in the chest of a Niner LB. I mean he didn't even have to move, and there wasn't a Bronco within a few yards. And then he threw this wobbler that was intercepted, no Bronco was even close, and he wasn't being pressured either.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/superbowl/worst.html



1. Tony Eason, Patriots, Super Bowl XX
Let's put it this way: the Fridge had a better day on offense than Eason. The Bears' vaunted "46" defense forced Eason into the worst game ever by a starting quarterback, so bad that Eason completed as many passes in a Super Bowl game as the Page 2 staff: zero. By the time he was replaced by Steve Grogan in the second quarter, Eason was 0-for-6, had fumbled once and been sacked three times. The Bears cruised to a 46-10 win.


2. Craig Morton, Broncos, Super Bowl XII
This was a bigger nightmare for Morton than when he used to alternate plays with Roger Staubach as Cowboys' QB. Facing his old teammate, Morton completed as many passes -- four -- as he had intercepted. He finished 4-for-15 for 39 yards and was replaced by the immortal Norris Weese in a 27-10 loss.

5. Earl Morrall, Colts, Super Bowl III
With Johnny Unitas missing most of the year with an elbow injury, Morrall became the Colts' starting QB -- and won MVP honors. But he was anything but MVP in this game. In fact, it was his poor performance -- 6-for-17 for 71 yards and three interceptions -- as much as Joe Namath's passing that allowed Broadway Joe's prediction to come true as the Jets pulled off the upset, 16-7.


6. John Elway, Broncos, Super Bowl XXIV
Before he became a Legend, he was the '80s version of Fran Tarkenton. Elway dropped to 0-3 in Super Bowl action in a humiliating 55-10 defeat to the 49ers. He completed just 10 of 26 passes for a meager 108 yards, was intercepted twice and fumbled twice.


7. Kerry Collins, Giants, Super Bowl XXXV
Sure, Baltimore's defense was fearsome, but Collins looked lost in this one. He was 15-for-39 for 112 and four interceptions (including one returned for a touchdown).

[riseagainst]

brady is the biggest choker ever right after lechoke
:biggums:
:wtf:

[aj1987]

So, when David Tyree's helmet makes a once in all of history miracle catch (pure absolute miracle luck), and Asante Samuels misses a wide open interception that he 99 out of 100 times normally makes (choke), right after Brady threw a touchdown pass to put his team up at the end of the game...and the Patriots lose at the end of the game.......

that's "Brady choking".......

So, when the Patriots are about to ice a Superbowl victory and Welker drops a wide open pass to seal the game that he 99 out of 100 times normally catches (choke), and then the Patriots defense lets the Giants score, that's "Brady choking".............

and you equate this to Manning having probably the worst game any quarterback ever played in Superbowl history.............

Yea right, that makes sense. That's 100% obviously totally logical, accurate, objective, non-biased, totally rational, and completely the same thing.

I mean, there is absolutely not even any difference at all.............

:rolleyes: :facepalm
Holy shit! I can't believe that I'm saying this, but great post!

[riseagainst]

So, when David Tyree's helmet makes a once in all of history miracle catch (pure absolute miracle luck), and Asante Samuels misses a wide open interception that he 99 out of 100 times normally makes (choke), right after Brady threw a touchdown pass to put his team up at the end of the game...and the Patriots lose at the end of the game.......

that's "Brady choking".......

So, when the Patriots are about to ice a Superbowl victory and Welker drops a wide open pass to seal the game that he 99 out of 100 times normally catches (choke), and then the Patriots defense lets the Giants score, that's "Brady choking".............

and you equate this to Manning having probably the worst game any quarterback ever played in Superbowl history.............

Yea right, that makes sense. That's 100% obviously totally logical, accurate, objective, non-biased, totally rational, and completely the same thing.

I mean, there is absolutely not even any difference at all.............

:rolleyes: :facepalm

dam....
dat ether.

[CelticBaller]

This.

Kinda strange how he is still labeled more of a choker than Brady, even though Brady choked twice recently in the super bowl, and he just lost to Manning two weeks ago.
Brady didn't choke, he gave his team the lead twice before the last minutes of the game and always lost on final minutes scoring drives

Meanwhile Peyton most of the time gets blown out, throws pick 6s and played like shit the only time he actually won.

[kurple]

euroleague's post wasnt that great

[CelticBaller]

euroleague's post wasnt that great
He wasn't wrong though, Brady definitely didn't choke

[kurple]

agreed

[Deuce Bigalow]

Is Peyton Manning the GOAT? No so there is no comparison.

[Euroleague]

There's been worse QB performances than Manning. Elway against the Niners was the worst I've seen, although they were so overmatched. His 2 INTs were some of the worst passes I've ever seen in an NFL game.

He threw one right in the chest of a Niner LB. I mean he didn't even have to move, and there wasn't a Bronco within a few yards. And then he threw this wobbler that was intercepted, no Bronco was even close, and he wasn't being pressured either.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/superbowl/worst.html

Yes, but in context, Elway had an above average team that overachieved to make it there, playing against one of the greatest teams ever. Manning had the best offense ever, playing against a stout defense.

But the point is he had a more even match, even considering Denver's defense was at least comparable to Seattle's offense.

Elway's team was a joke compared to that out of this world 49ers team. In context, Manning had the worst game ever.

[Stringer Bell]

Yes, but in context, Elway had an above average team that overachieved to make it there, playing against one of the greatest teams ever. Manning had the best offense ever, playing against a stout defense.

But the point is he had a more even match, even considering Denver's defense was at least comparable to Seattle's offense.

Elway's team was a joke compared to that out of this world 49ers team. In context, Manning had the worst game ever.

Manning played poorly, I just don't think it's close to being the worst ever in the Super Bowl, especially when you take into account guys like Earl Morrall (they were 19 point favorites) and Craig Morton.

But anyway, back the original post you were quoting, Brady is far from a choker. That's ridiculous to suggest that he is a choker.

[LAZERUSS]

Regarding "choking" QBs,...I'll play.

Throw out Unitas's two titles, which came early in his career, and in the entire rest of his career, the man blew chunks all over the field. And that includes big games at the end of seasons, too. He even played in one SB in which his team won, and he was benched at the half with his team behind. Without looking it up, I believe his QB rating in the post-season was in the high 60's.


Conversely, throw out Elway's LAST season, and an excellent SB in that Final season,...and the rest of his career was nothing but huge blowout losses, and in his first SB win, he had one of the lowest QB ratings ever. It was so bad that he was even a running joke on the Simpson's...

[The announcer] "And Elway has just led Denver on a brilliant 98 yard TD drive. With the extra point, the score is Denver 7, and the 49ers,,, 55."

And speaking of "The Drive", I bet most here don't realize that he was absolutely awful in the first 55 minutes of the game. Again, I'm going strictly on memory, but I believe he was something like 14-27 114 yards with an INT, before "The Drive." BTW, that drive took five long minutes, and only tied the score.


Montana? Yes, he was 4-0 in his SB's, and generally was exceptional in the post-season. But, his team's still lost seven times, including losses in post-season losses in three straight seasons, and in his absolute prime, by margins of 17-3, 49-3, and 36-24 (and in that game, he was BENCHED after a woeful first half.)

I could go, but IMO, Bart Starr was the greatest post-season QB of all-time. He not only went 9-1 in his post-season, with FIVE championships, he also holds the all-time highest playoff QB rating of 104.3.

Bet no one here would have guessed that last one...

[Stringer Bell]

Montana? Yes, he was 4-0 in his SB's, and generally was exceptional in the post-season. But, his team's still lost seven times, including losses in post-season losses in three straight seasons, and in his absolute prime, by margins of 17-3, 49-3, and 36-24 (and in that game, he was BENCHED after a woeful first half.)

I could go, but IMO, Bart Starr was the greatest post-season QB of all-time. He not only went 9-1 in his post-season, with FIVE championships, he also holds the all-time highest playoff QB rating of 104.3.

Bet no one here would have guessed that last one...

That loss to Minnesota was horrible. The Niners were so dominant at the end of that season, and then they got their asses kicked by the 8-7 Vikings. Montana's numbers are god-like in the SB, but yeah, he had his bad games in the postseason. That loss to the Vikings really set off the QB controversy with Young when Young came in and played better than Montana. He also had 3 INTs in "The Catch" game (Without Eric Wright's tackle, no one would ever give a crap about Dwight Clark's catch). He also got knocked out of 3 different playoff games. Overall though, he was excellent in the postseason, especially following the 88 and 89' seasons where he just went into a zone.

Otto Graham is up there with Montana and Starr among the great postseason QBs.

[Euroleague]

I keep saying it over and over here, people are making up a revisionist history about three quarterbacks in particular, Elway, Marino, and Montana, but especially Elway and especially, especially Montana.

They are all getting tons of smoke blown up their asses.

They were not as good as they are made out to be now. The comments now are about how incredible Elway and Montana were in the playoffs......well Elway was better than Manning was in the playoffs, but he did need his running back to win him his only titles. Besides that, he was a loser.

Montana is seen as some kind of a god, when he had tons of huge losses and chokes, and many people thought even in his prime Young should have been playing and not him. And this was the guy that had prime Rice and yet managed 3 straight one and dones with the most stacked team in the NFL.

Now people are saying "Marino always had shit teams and never had a chance"...........it's complete bullshit also. They always had an elite coach and an elite offense, and at times they even had a good defense to go with it. So that's total bullshit also.

And now that I think about it, that you mention it, it's funny you mention about Unitas, because I remember on some ESPN special they mentioned how Fran Tarkenton got slighted for losing Superbowls, but then someone brought up about Unitas getting all the glory for winning a Superbowl where he got benched at the half...........

Now I look at how ESPN today manipulates the shit out of this stuff now and think just as someone else asked, why the **** does everyone else today say Elway was better than Favre or why is everyone in the world seem to be kissing Manning's ass, like ESPN was making him the Jordan of the NFL up to the Superbowl.......

It's all the revisionist history bullshit.

Or some other people mention Young and Kurt Warner, also guys that played better in the playoffs than Elway or Manning ever did, or Marino also for that matter.

And really truth be told, all they do with Montana is they ONLY look at how he played in the 4 Superbowls, and in all 3 of those cases he had INCREDIBLE teams, out of this world teams, which any one of them is in the case as best team of all time.

And we have all the clowns here say things like "4-0, beat that, no one can, if any QB ever loses a Superbowl, he is automatically disqualified from being the GOAT."

WTF? These morons believe this brainwashing nonsense from ESPN. None of Montana's other games even count, and they even say things like "none of Montana's other games he ever played in his entire career even count."

Montana's "legacy" is based solely on 4 games, playing with 3 of the greatest teams ever, hell maybe 3 of the top 5 teams in history.

But his playoff losses to the Vikings and Giants, and some of those that were in fairness to even say Manning, comparably in some ways as bad or even worse "choke jobs" of what Peyton has done.......never once even mentioned.

It's just "Montana was the most clutch ever, the coolest ever, perfect in the playoffs, and all this other bullshit.......yet, he was playing so bad at some games in the playoffs that he was being benched for Young. Makes sense........

And even this new thing ESPN likes to say, "Peyton is the best regular season quarterback ever"..........but, Favre is the one with all the records and the most wins, not Manning.

Marino was in his era, the same as Manning, if you will.........

And Brady has been, without any doubt, the most dominant regular season quarterback in terms of winning games.

So in reality, even that claim ESPN is making is at least dubious and questionable, and highly debatable.

[Stringer Bell]

It just goes to show you that it's true when people say that QBs get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing.

There are 22 starting players in football. One player can make more of an impact in basketball than football. NBA repeat titles have become way more common than NFL repeat titles. Although of course you need good help in basketball too. In all team sports.

The 84' and 89' 49ers were among the greatest ever. The one game the 84' 49ers lost, it was by 3 and on a b.s. PI call. The defense of the 84' 49ers is underrated. I think you can argue that they were one of the best defenses ever. All 4 members of the secondary were Pro Bowlers. They contained Marino and Miami scored just half of their season average of 32. The 89' 49ers went into a zone in the postseason, out scoring 3 opponents by 100 Pts and putting up 55 against Denver, who had allowed the fewest points that season. Montana played amazing in the SBs, but people tend to forget just how much of a team game football is.

When John Elway finally won a Super Bowl, he played rather poorly. Everyone talks about the damn helicopter play and "this one is for John", but his numbers were terrible and he almost screwed up the game for Denver by throwing a stupid INT deep in Packers territory. Elway played better in his first SB loss, against the Giants.

He played pretty well in his last game though, the SB over Atlanta.

Marino was a great QB, I wish he had won a SB. It took awhile for Miami to finally get some solid defenses. When they did, they ran into a stacked Buffalo team. The AFC was weak anyway. When it's talked about how Cleveland is cursed and the heartbreak of "The Drive" and "The Fumble", well they most likely would have gotten stomped by the Giants and Redskins anyway.

[secund2nun]

Kobe is a first round loser who is not even top 20 of all time. He got exposed for the first round loser he was when he could not even win a playoff series in his prime without an elite front court. He has never had a great nba finals performance and his regular season/playoff stats suck compared to real all time greats oh wow 30 shots to score 35 points...not. His level of play also drops in the playoffs and further drops in the finals. He is a jealous cancer who does not appreciate all of the stacked teams the LA franchise has given him. He is no different than Tmac except he is healthy and has stacked teams.

Ungrateful first round loser finals choking game 7 choking overrated stats elite front court coattail riding cheating rapist scrub he is

:roll:

[PsychoBe]

Kobe is a first round loser who is not even top 20 of all time. He got exposed for the first round loser he was when he could not even win a playoff series in his prime without an elite front court. He has never had a great nba finals performance and his regular season/playoff stats suck compared to real all time greats oh wow 30 shots to score 35 points...not. His level of play also drops in the playoffs and further drops in the finals. He is a jealous cancer who does not appreciate all of the stacked teams the LA franchise has given him. He is no different than Tmac except he is healthy and has stacked teams.

Ungrateful first round loser finals choking game 7 choking overrated stats elite front court coattail riding cheating rapist scrub he is

:roll:

stop trolling. next time i will report you. you have been warned.

[secund2nun]

stop trolling. next time i will report you. you have been warned.

So me stating the facts means I am trolling?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is a first round loser who is not even top 20 of all time. He got exposed for the first round loser he was when he could not even win a playoff series in his prime without an elite front court. He has never had a great nba finals performance and his regular season/playoff stats suck compared to real all time greats oh wow 30 shots to score 35 points...not. His level of play also drops in the playoffs and further drops in the finals. He is a jealous cancer who does not appreciate all of the stacked teams the LA franchise has given him. He is no different than Tmac except he is healthy and has stacked teams.

Ungrateful first round loser finals choking game 7 choking overrated stats elite front court coattail riding cheating rapist scrub he is

:roll:
This guy is so mad :roll:

[PsychoBe]

So me stating the facts means I am trolling?

just know that you have been warned. keep it up and i will report you. if you have nothing to contribute then say nothing.