If peak Jordan and Shaq were on the same team...

[moe94]

Who would get the Finals MVP, if both did their usual production?

Serious question with no agenda involved.
f*ck Kobe

[Inferno]

No idea, but whoever wouldn't get it would be a glorified role player!

[moe94]

Whoever gets it is the GOAT player and the one who doesn't got carried.

[Sharmer]

MJ.

[Inferno]

Whoever gets it is the GOAT player and the one who doesn't got carried.

Basically. And whoever doesn't get it won't have it coun't in their ring count either!

[Lord Bean]

Depends on the finals competition, but in most match ups, I'd think Shaq. Jordan had ridiculous numbers too, but Shaq was a 40-20 threat every night in the finals during his peak.

There's really nothing anyone can do about either player, but Shaq causes a larger mismatch. It's not just about individual production. The entire defense collapses on Shaq - he absolutely wrecks opposing defenses more than Jordan ever did. When there's a guy who's scoring 38ppg on 60%+ from the field against any and every defender you throw at him, what the hell are you supposed to do? Jordan is the GOAT, but any reasonable coach would run the offense through peak Shaq.

And defensively, I'd probably give Shaq the edge. It's common knowledge that Shaq underachieved on defense throughout his career, but when it mattered most, he was there. And during his peak he was a DPOY candidate. Jordan for his position was obviously the better defender than Shaq, but a big man's impact on defense is just naturally higher than a guard's. And Shaq in his peak was truly elite, more than good enough to give him the edge impact-wise over Jordan defensively.

It's very close, but Shaq has the slight edge.

[redboy]

if they were playing a team like the '04 pistons or the 90's knicks/rockets, i would say mj

now if they were playing teams like the heat and okc, easily shaq imo

[Akrazotile]

A Jordan-Shaq combination would be pretty similar to the Kobe-Gasol combination. You'd probably have to make a case for Co-MVPs. But if you have to pick one who really deserves it, it's probably gonna be the big guy.

[Inferno]

A Jordan-Shaq combination would be pretty similar to the Kobe-Gasol combination. You'd probably have to make a case for Co-MVPs. But if you have to pick one who really deserves it, it's probably gonna be the big guy.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

[JT123]

A Jordan-Shaq combination would be pretty similar to the Kobe-Gasol combination. You'd probably have to make a case for Co-MVPs. But if you have to pick one who really deserves it, it's probably gonna be the big guy.
Agreed. No one who shoots 6-24 in a game 7 deserves Finals MVP. Gasol was straight up robbed.

[moe94]

if they were playing a team like the '04 pistons or the 90's knicks/rockets, i would say mj

now if they were playing teams like the heat and okc, easily shaq imo

Shaq averaged 27/11 on 60% shooting against the Pistons.

Do you think Jordan could beat that production?

[redboy]

Shaq averaged 27/11 on 60% shooting against the Pistons.

Do you think Jordan could beat that production?
i remember the gameplan in 04 was to let shaq get his against ben wallace and to shut everyone else down. i don't think that shaq would get 27 a game if mj were there to force detroit to change their gameplan. i don't think that jordan could top 27/11, but i do think that jordan likely would have impacted the game more ways than shaq

in the end though, these are all hypothetical situations. there's always a certain level of difference between what i think would have and what really would have happened

[Akrazotile]

i remember the gameplan in 04 was to let shaq get his against ben wallace and to shut everyone else down.


So basically the Pistons plan was to accept that Shaq was unstoppable, but bank on the fact that Kobe would stop himself and the rest of the Lakers?

[oarabbus]

Shaq would be MVP.

[kamil]

Gotta hand it to Shaq, nobody stopped him... ever. He was just way too big, way too strong.

MJ had times where he got stopped, but not completely... hence 6/6 finals, though it is a team sport.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Who would get the Finals MVP, if both did their usual production?

Serious question with no agenda involved.
f*ck Kobe

:rolleyes:

[Lord Bean]

Shaq averaged 27/11 on 60% shooting against the Pistons.

Do you think Jordan could beat that production?
2004 Shaq was NOT peak Shaq. Nice try.

[moe94]

2004 Shaq was NOT peak Shaq. Nice try.

Understand you can move away from the topic at hand. It's a wonderful thing we employ in discussions.

[bdreason]

Depends on the matchup.

[Lord Bean]

Understand you can move away from the topic at hand. It's a wonderful thing we employ in discussions.
I get that. But you have no interest in that. Your agenda is as clear as it gets.

[moe94]

I get that. But you have no interest in that. Your agenda is as clear as it gets.

I have no agenda, to be honest. If you're talking about the white text in regards to Kobe, it's nothing more than a joke.

I just want to see who people would consider to be the alpha between these two players considered to have peaked the highest in the modern era.

[Lord Bean]

I have no agenda, to be honest. If you're talking about the white text in regards to Kobe, it's nothing more than a joke.

I just want to see who people would consider to be the alpha between these two players considered to have peaked the highest in the modern era.
Fair enough, my bad. It's kinda hard to tell with half of the threads here being 100% blatantly agenda-driven.

[moe94]

Fair enough, my bad. It's kinda hard to tell with half of the threads here being 100% blatantly agenda-driven.

Don't let trolls get to you. Their arguments are easy to demolish considering they don't use logic and are out purely to rustle your jimmies. It also helps that they go through the motions and spew cliches.

[Rolando]

Shaq and MJ on the same team would be ridiculous....Absolutely no chance of losing. The plan would be to feed Shaq early and get the other team in foul trouble. Shaq would have 30 by the end of the 3rd. MJ would have 20 at that point and would simply take over the rest of the game.

I'm guessing because MJ finishes the games, he would be MVP.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Shaq averaged 27/11 on 60% shooting against the Pistons.

Do you think Jordan could beat that production?
Propped up by his Game 4 stat line.

It's a myth that Shaq had a great Finals in 2004. His defense and rebounding were poor throughout.

[aj1987]

Propped up by his Game 4 stat line.

It's a myth that Shaq had a great Finals in 2004. His defense and rebounding were poor throughout.
WTF are you smoking? He had 29, 34, and 36 point games (7, 11, and 20 boards in those games). In the other two, he took a combined 27 shots to score 34 points. Kobe scored 24 on 24 shots. For the series.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Shaq, no questions asked.

[ThePhantomCreep]

WTF are you smoking? He had 29, 34, and 36 point games (7, 11, and 20 boards in those games). In the other two, he took a combined 27 shots to score 34 points. Kobe scored 24 on 24 shots. For the series.
Forgot about the 29 point game, but seriously, did you just tout a 7 rebound game? That was my point--Shaq had three sub 10 rebound games in that series.

No need to bring up Kobe either. His finals performance was much worse than Shaq's.

[MichaelCorleone]

Michael Jordan will get all the FMVPs out of all the rings they win.

[I<3NBA]

Shaq will bow to the original, not the fake.

[MichaelCorleone]

Shaq will bow to the original, not the fake.
http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[Ancient Legend]

Shaq will bow to the original, not the fake.

:bowdown:

[Sharmer]

Mj is on another level than Shaq. This debate is absurd.

[tragicbronson]

Mj is on another level than Shaq. This debate is absurd.

True, Shaq never had that status that is never was on that level of getting calls, there were some controversial games and series but that wasn't as constant thing as it was with MJ, that being said, i think Shaq would get most FMVPs because he was the man you build franchise on, more than Michael.

[Sharmer]

True, Shaq never had that status that is never was on that level of getting calls, there were some controversial games and series but that wasn't as constant thing as it was with MJ, that being said, i think Shaq would get most FMVPs because he was the man you build franchise on, more than Michael.

Shaq could have finished with more rings, he got fat and lazy when on top. Even Kobe called him out for it. MJ was flawless in that way.

Plus the debate is not about who would you build your franchise on, rather who would dominate if both players were in their peak.

[retaxis]

Shaq could have finished with more rings, he got fat and lazy when on top. Even Kobe called him out for it. MJ was flawless in that way.

Plus the debate is not about who would you build your franchise on, rather who would dominate if both players were in their peak.
MJ flawless my a22. Half of the time he missed training or rocked up to a game with a hang over after a late night of gambling. Shaq also wanted to have fun but his body and weight didn't hold up as well as MJ's.

Shaq had his chance to win 6+ (with Orlando, 04 Lakers (kobes fault) and another in Cleveland/Celtics/Pheonix). Shaq could have had 7 but thats how life is, your just one player in a league.

[tgan3]

Who would get the Finals MVP, if both did their usual production?

Serious question with no agenda involved.
f*ck Kobe

:lol

[MichaelCorleone]

Shaq wins, Kobe looks bad

MJ wins, Kobe looks bad


No wonder there's no Kobe stans in here.:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

This scenario wouldnt work because two extreme alphas would butt heads too much. You need a clear cut alpha and beta combo, like the shaq-kobe lakers.

[r0drig0lac]

Mj is on another level than Shaq. This debate is absurd.
this

[Milbuck]

Mj is on another level than Shaq. This debate is absurd.
He's really not though. If you weren't 5 years old and actually saw peak Shaq during the 3 peat and peak Jordan, you would know that in terms of overall dominance and impact they're very comparable. You could even give Shaq the edge.

[Bush4Ever]

It would be up in the air because of matchups.

A more meaningful question is who would be the first option offensively, and the focal point from which the offense would run (in general).

The answer to both of those is Shaq.


Mj is on another level than Shaq. This debate is absurd.

He absolutely was not on another level than Shaq at both of their respective peaks. Shaq circa 2000 is easily a match for any version of Jordan that has ever existed.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Peak Wilt>Peak Shaq> Peak Bron>>Peak MJ:coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He's really not though. If you weren't 5 years old and actually saw peak Shaq during the 3 peat and peak Jordan, you would know that in terms of overall dominance and impact they're very comparable. You could even give Shaq the edge.
:applause: :applause:

[Black and White]

Peak Wilt>Peak Shaq> Peak Bron>>Peak MJ:coleman:

:roll: :roll:

[Prometheus]

Peak Wilt>Peak Shaq> Peak Bron>>Peak MJ:coleman:

:biggums:

dude. stupid.

[Prometheus]

I hate to say it, but the answer is probably Shaq. Jordan was most definitely the better basketball player, but at his peak Shaq was completely unstoppable.

[ImKobe]

I hate to say it, but the answer is probably Shaq. Jordan was most definitely the better basketball player, but at his peak Shaq was completely unstoppable.

So was MJ :confusedshrug: , no one shut peak MJ down, and he didn't need two of the top 3 all-time SGs to win his titles.

[oarabbus]

So was MJ :confusedshrug: , no one shut peak MJ down, and he didn't need two of the top 3 all-time SGs to win his titles.


Shaq was still more dominant. And if Shaq "needed" two of the top 3 all time SGs then MJ "needed" Pippen (top 5 in league today) and other players like Kerr.

[tragicbronson]

So was MJ :confusedshrug: , no one shut peak MJ down, and he didn't need two of the top 3 all-time SGs to win his titles.

Y but he had a team that was able to get 50+ wins without him and get deep in the playoffs, they were one win away of conference finals and they didn't get it not because of bad play but because of bad officiating, that's how good Jordan's team was, definetly more stacked than Heat, Miami without LeBron<<<Bulls without Jordan. It's the media that conviced you that Michael was able to get every win singlehandedly. I don't think Jordan was better player, maybe more disciplined, more focused, but Shaq was definetly more talented, if i had to choose between them who is the guy i want to start the franchise with i'd pick Shaq.

[r0drig0lac]

Shaq was still more dominant. And if Shaq "needed" two of the top 3 all time SGs then MJ "needed" Pippen (top 5 in league today) and other players like Kerr.
it does not improve its point

[ImKobe]

Y but he had a team that was able to get 50+ wins without him and get deep in the playoffs, they were one win away of conference finals and they didn't get it not because of bad play but because of bad officiating, that's how good Jordan's team was, definetly more stacked than Heat, Miami without LeBron<<<Bulls without Jordan. It's the media that conviced you that Michael was able to get every win singlehandedly. I don't think Jordan was better player, maybe more disciplined, more focused, but Shaq was definetly more talented, if i had to choose between them who is the guy i want to start the franchise with i'd pick Shaq.

What happened in 95 though? They were 34-31 before MJ returned and won 13 out of their last 17 games with him back.

MJ's track record speaks for himself, 6 out of 6 Finals, all those clutch moments. How reliable was Shaq in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter?

[JohnMax]

The mistake everyone on here is making is thinking KOBE = JORDAN

DWYANE WADE is closer to Michael Jordan.

[aj1987]

The mistake everyone on here is making is thinking KOBE = JORDAN

DWYANE WADE is closer to Michael Jordan.
:facepalm Ban, please.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Shaq was still more dominant. And if Shaq "needed" two of the top 3 all time SGs then MJ "needed" Pippen (top 5 in league today) and other players like Kerr.

Yeah, who could forget that world-beater.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Y but he had a team that was able to get 50+ wins without him and get deep in the playoffs, they were one win away of conference finals and they didn't get it not because of bad play but because of bad officiating, that's how good Jordan's team was, definetly more stacked than Heat, Miami without LeBron<<<Bulls without Jordan. It's the media that conviced you that Michael was able to get every win singlehandedly. I don't think Jordan was better player, maybe more disciplined, more focused, but Shaq was definetly more talented, if i had to choose between them who is the guy i want to start the franchise with i'd pick Shaq.

The '94 Bulls accomplishment is so overrated. Without Kukoc's GWer the Knicks probably sweep. They let the Bulls hang around. As for the 55 wins, the '94 Hawks won 57. How fondly are they remembered?

Nobody wins alone, but Jordan probably comes closest. Shaq didn't always win even when his teams were super-stacked. Contrast that to Jordan who never lost a series his team was favored to win.

[KungFuJoe]

MJ...he's the Batman to EVERYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME'S Robin.

[Prometheus]

The '94 Bulls accomplishment is so overrated. Without Kukoc's GWer the Knicks probably sweep. They let the Bulls hang around. As for the 55 wins, the '94 Hawks won 57. How fondly are they remembered?

Nobody wins alone, but Jordan probably comes closest. Shaq didn't always win even when his teams were super-stacked. Contrast that to Jordan who never lost a series his team was favored to win.

http://thesportspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Hakeem-Olajuwon-Goggles.jpg

[ThePhantomCreep]

http://thesportspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Hakeem-Olajuwon-Goggles.jpg

Touch

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]Touch

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The mistake everyone on here is making is thinking KOBE = JORDAN

DWYANE WADE is closer to Michael Jordan.
peak Wade was as close as jordan youll ever see at the SG position:cheers: :applause:

[guy]

Who would get the Finals MVP, if both did their usual production?

Serious question with no agenda involved.
f*ck Kobe

Both did usual production? Well I'd say they both had probably equal statistical production with Jordan providing alot more intangibles with his clutch play and leadership, so I guess Jordan.

[jzek]

Jordan would get more FMVPs than Shaq.

At the tail ends of their prime, Jordan was still able to win in 98. Can't say the same for Shaq in 04.

[tragicbronson]

The '94 Bulls accomplishment is so overrated. Without Kukoc's GWer the Knicks probably sweep. They let the Bulls hang around. As for the 55 wins, the '94 Hawks won 57. How fondly are they remembered?

Nobody wins alone, but Jordan probably comes closest. Shaq didn't always win even when his teams were super-stacked. Contrast that to Jordan who never lost a series his team was favored to win.

:biggums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJtwYSLeMw

[Orlando Magic]

Peak Shaq and it's not even close. Anyone who says Jordan probably didn't watch either player and is under the age of 25.

That and they just don't understand how basketball... you know... actually works.

[Sharmer]

MJ flawless my a22. Half of the time he missed training or rocked up to a game with a hang over after a late night of gambling. Shaq also wanted to have fun but his body and weight didn't hold up as well as MJ's.

Shaq had his chance to win 6+ (with Orlando, 04 Lakers (kobes fault) and another in Cleveland/Celtics/Pheonix). Shaq could have had 7 but thats how life is, your just one player in a league.

Shaq got fat at burger king, MJ didn't.

[Sharmer]

He's really not though. If you weren't 5 years old and actually saw peak Shaq during the 3 peat and peak Jordan, you would know that in terms of overall dominance and impact they're very comparable. You could even give Shaq the edge.


Are people forgetting that Shaq couldn't make free throws, and the Hack a Shaq.

Whilst he's dominance, he could never be the guy late in the 4th because teams would just foul him.

Jordan won games on the buzzer, this pushes him over the top in my opinion.

[Milbuck]

Are people forgetting that Shaq couldn't make free throws, and the Hack a Shaq.

Whilst he's dominance, he could never be the guy late in the 4th because teams would just foul him.

Jordan won games on the buzzer, this pushes him over the top in my opinion.
38/17/2/3 on 61% FG
33/16/5/3 on 57% FG
36/12/4/3 on 60% FG

Those were Shaq's finals averages during the 3-peat. I don't care if he fouls out the other team and misses free throws. Every time you think "MJ is on another level", stop talking and re-read the numbers at the beginning of this post. Or better yet, go watch some Shaq finals tape.

[Prometheus]

38/17/2/3 on 61% FG
33/16/5/3 on 57% FG
36/12/4/3 on 60% FG

Those were Shaq's finals averages during the 3-peat. I don't care if he fouls out the other team and misses free throws. Every time you think "MJ is on another level", stop talking and re-read the numbers at the beginning of this post. Or better yet, go watch some Shaq finals tape.

:bowdown:

[Sharmer]

38/17/2/3 on 61% FG
33/16/5/3 on 57% FG
36/12/4/3 on 60% FG

Those were Shaq's finals averages during the 3-peat. I don't care if he fouls out the other team and misses free throws. Every time you think "MJ is on another level", stop talking and re-read the numbers at the beginning of this post. Or better yet, go watch some Shaq finals tape.


Impressive stats, but I also watched Shaq and MJ.

MJ maintained the stat line for much longer than Shaq. Like I said, Shaq got fat and MJ didn't.

MJ was 6/6 in finals, Shaq wasn't. Shaq left the game , as a embarrassment. MJ still averaged 20 plus at 40.

Shaq could have had 7 rings, he could have been more. But didn't maintain the peak, because he got fat and lazy.

[Prometheus]

Actually, to be fair, they're pretty much equally dominant in their different ways:

Shaq 3peat:

38.0/16.7/2.3/1.0/2.7 on .611
33.0/15.8/4.8/0.4/3.4 on .573
36.3/12.3/3.8/0.5/2.8 on .595

:bowdown:

Jordan first 3peat:

31.2/6.6/11.4/2.8/1.4 on .558
35.8/4.8/6.5/1.7/0.3 on .526
41.0/8.5/6.3/1.7/0.7 on .508

:bowdown:

But still, you've got to think that if they're on the same team, the offense runs through the big man.

[Sharmer]

Actually, to be fair, they're pretty much equally dominant in their different ways:

Shaq 3peat:

38.0/16.7/2.3/1.0/2.7 on .611
33.0/15.8/4.8/0.4/3.4 on .573
36.3/12.3/3.8/0.5/2.8 on .595

:bowdown:

Jordan first 3peat:

31.2/6.6/11.4/2.8/1.4 on .558
35.8/4.8/6.5/1.7/0.3 on .526
41.0/8.5/6.3/1.7/0.7 on .508

:bowdown:

But still, you've got to think that if they're on the same team, the offense runs through the big man.


MJ had a second three peat. Shaq was eating burritos and burgers when the finals came around late in his career.

[Milbuck]

Impressive stats, but I also watched Shaq and MJ.

MJ maintained the stat line for much longer than Shaq. Like I said, Shaq got fat and MJ didn't.

MJ was 6/6 in finals, Shaq wasn't. Shaq left the game , as a embarrassment. MJ still averaged 20 plus at 40.

Shaq could have had 7 rings, he could have been more. But didn't maintain the peak, because he got fat and lazy.
:oldlol: What a ****ing moron. The argument is about both of them in their peaks.

[Prometheus]

Sharmer is losing the argument.

[Milbuck]

Sharmer is losing the argument.
Of course he is, why else would he bring up Shaq getting fat towards the end of his career in a discussion about peaks?

[Stringer Bell]

There's no way I can envision both of these guys co-existing on the same team in their primes.

They make egos big enough to block out the sun.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Seriously? They would just butt heads and probably dismantle the team. Too much ego, too much alpha in them, too much wanting the ball. Look at what happened with young Kobe.

Jordan's the GOAT imo but as far as peaks it's very hard to say who's better, and I would pick Shaq because a bigmen can impact the game more.

[moe94]

There's no way I can envision both of these guys co-existing on the same team in their primes.

They make egos big enough to block out the sun.
http://076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.c om/images/files/000/299/592/original/original.jpg

[Sharmer]

Of course he is, why else would he bring up Shaq getting fat towards the end of his career in a discussion about peaks?


Duration of peaks, MJ lasted a lot longer than Shaqs. So a peak Jordan would give you a longer service than a peak Shaq.

End of debate.

[Prometheus]

Duration of peaks, MJ lasted a lot longer than Shaqs. So a peak Jordan would give you a longer service than a peak Shaq.

End of debate.

Look Milbuck, he's been thinking of a reply since this thread cooled off earlier and this is what he came up with. :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Look Milbuck, he's been thinking of a reply since this thread cooled off earlier and this is what he came up with. :oldlol:
:oldlol: Not even gonna reply to him. I seriously think he's not a troll, but just really stupid.

[SpecialQue]

I'm fvcking laughing my ass off at the idea of Shaq and Jordan somehow coexisting. These two would kill each other.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Jordan's Bulls were EXCELLENT. You're crazy... what about the 2000 Lakers? Kobe only scored 15.6 PPG on .367 FG%... or were they stacked because of Glen Rice?
Nice work cherry-picking the Finals vs an overmatched opponent. Kobe made all-NBA second team that year, 1st team all-defense. Rice was a superb 3rd option.

Outside of Pippen and Grant it was role-player city on those Bulls.

[Sharmer]

Look Milbuck, he's been thinking of a reply since this thread cooled off earlier and this is what he came up with. :oldlol:


No, came back from the gym. :roll:

[tragicbronson]

No, came back from the gym. :roll:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fWwQrf5n_Sc/ULepAkB-fhI/AAAAAAAAAHY/v1TztoqzTCk/s1600/fat-guy-exercising.jpg

[Soundwave]

I think they could co-exist because really I think MJ was fine with others having the spot light as long as he got "his" on the court. He seemed relieved when Rodman showed up to the Bulls and started getting larger media scrums around him after games.

The fact is in a close game, the ball is going to go to Jordan, not Shaq.

The thing with Shaq is you just need to know how to deal with him ... you don't pit yourself against him, you make him your friend. You joke around with him after the game.

Shaq is just the class clown who wants to be popular ... let him have that.

Kobe didn't get it.

I think MJ would push Shaq subtly (and in the right way) to be beast on the defensive end too, not just to be OK with being dominant offensively.

[Prometheus]

Nice work cherry-picking the Finals vs an overmatched opponent. Kobe made all-NBA second team that year, 1st team all-defense. Rice was a superb 3rd option.

Outside of Pippen and Grant it was role-player city on those Bulls.

Cartwright was still able to get his own shot in the post, and John Paxson shot like 999%... seriously I love MJ but you people need to understand that those championship Bulls squads were just great, great teams.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude, the two most dominant players of all time on ONE TEAM? Thats UNFAIR! Theyd win chips every season with a 50/50 chance of who takes the mvp's..

[guy]

I'm fvcking laughing my ass off at the idea of Shaq and Jordan somehow coexisting. These two would kill each other.

Says who? From Phil's book, it sounds like he thinks Jordan would get along better with his teammates then Shaq did.

[Stringer Bell]

Duration of peaks, MJ lasted a lot longer than Shaqs. So a peak Jordan would give you a longer service than a peak Shaq.

End of debate.

"Peak" is debatable, I'm not even sure when Jordan's peak was, I guess 1991, but anywhere from 88-93 is reasonable. But the amount of time they spent at the top level are pretty much the same.

Jordan was an elite player pretty much from his rookie year on, although his third season is when he really took off and then the 4th season when he won MVP/DPOY.

Take the first 9 years and then 3 when he came back. 12 seasons. Shaq was an elite player from what, 92, 93 to 04? 11-12 seasons. Jordan was better, but Jordan has no longevity advantage over Shaq in being a top player.

[poido123]

Shaq/MJ? Goodnight league til they retire.

[Black Mamba's B]

Yall act like Kobe was in his prime with Shaq. This was a 17 year old kid who had to develop. It's funny yall say Jordan would just be the alpha and dominate, we honestly couldn't predict what would happen. Are we getting a fresh out college 21 year old Jordan paired with shaq? Kobe at 21 wasn't too shabby. Another question is how would Jordan develop into a player with such a dominant player in Shaq on his team? They would probably be a great duo of players but they would bump heads and its uncertain how many titles they could win and how stats and impact would be affected