If peak Pippen and Kobe were on the same team..

[Akrazotile]

Who would be the alpha dog batman first fiddle?

I mean we know Pippen was second banana to MJ. But Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so I don't know if that dynamic could achieve any success.

Whereas Kobe had plenty of success playing second fiddle to the league's best bigs, but obviously Pippen is a wing player.

Could this combination work? Would Pippen have to pick up extra slack and be the alpha? We saw what happened when Kobe was the alpha, he didn't have much luck in the playoffs. I think it was three straight years he didnt win a series. Whereas Pippen won 50+ and nearly made the conference finals without MJ.


Serious question, btw. What do you guys think?

[moe94]

If you're serious, then Kobe and it's not even close. It would be exactly like the Jordan situation.

[ThePhantomCreep]

This was so much easier for you guys during the Smush/Kwame era.

Now it's just...sad.

[Magic731]

Obvious agenda is obvious. You are not fooling anyone. Pippen would be the beta as he never did anything as a number one whereas Kobe won 2 finals mvps as a number one.

[Akrazotile]

If you're serious, then Kobe and it's not even close. It would be exactly like the Jordan situation.


Are you sure? Phil Jackson has said Kobe is way more beta than MJ

[moe94]

Are you sure? Phil Jackson has said Kobe is way more beta than MJ

You're right. What was I thinking? If Pippen was around, Kobe would turn into a 20/3/1 player.

[Akrazotile]

You're right. What was I thinking? If Pippen was around, Kobe would turn into a 20/3/1 player.


Nah he'd still be the same 25/4/3 on 45% player he always been, I just don't think it would be enough to win anything. Unless Pippen was able to really dominate his matchups during the playoffs like Shaq and Pau did.

[aj1987]

Inb4 453643 97 bulls posts.

[moe94]

Nah he'd still be the same 28/4/3 on 45% player he always been, I just don't think it would be enough to win anything. Unless Pippen was able to really dominate his matchups during the playoffs like Shaq and Pau did.

Kobe's career rebounds/assists are 5/5. Selling him short, aren't you? :coleman:

[Akrazotile]

Kobe's career rebounds/assists are 5/5. Selling him short, aren't you? :coleman:


yeah but I oversold him on points so it evened out, but I corrected it.

[moe94]

yeah but I oversold him on points so it evened out, but I corrected it.

Not really, considering Kobe really was a 28 PPG player in his prime.

[ThePhantomCreep]

90% of these LeBron groupies thought his name was "Paul Gasol" before he joined the Lakers. No he's in the same tier as Shaq. The lulz.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://allstarvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/kobe-bryant-pic-getty-458428273.jpg

[MichaelCorleone]

Peak Pippen will be the alpha.

[Lord Bean]

:oldlol: What a worthless poster OP is. Kobe would be batman and it's not even close. Zero doubt about it.

[I<3NBA]

that depends on whether both are signed at the same time or if one gets on the team first. whoever gets signed first becomes the alpha.

before people forget, Pippen was the leader of that Blazers squad that almost took out the Shaq Lakers. so he definitely has it in him to be an alpha.

[Sharmer]

Pipen is more alpha than Kobe. The 90s was a mans era, not this soft league now, when even soft ass Gasol can win rings.

[Bandito]

Pipen is more alpha than Kobe. The 90s was a mans era, not this soft league now, when even soft ass Gasol can win rings.
But Kobe is of a dying breed though. Hes one of the few players that remind me how the 90's used to be.

[iamgine]

Who would be the alpha dog batman first fiddle?

I mean we know Pippen was second banana to MJ. But Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so I don't know if that dynamic could achieve any success.

Whereas Kobe had plenty of success playing second fiddle to the league's best bigs, but obviously Pippen is a wing player.

Could this combination work? Would Pippen have to pick up extra slack and be the alpha? We saw what happened when Kobe was the alpha, he didn't have much luck in the playoffs. I think it was three straight years he didnt win a series. Whereas Pippen won 50+ and nearly made the conference finals without MJ.


Serious question, btw. What do you guys think?
Pippen would try to accommodate while Kobe would try to dominate.

It's pretty clear who would be perceived as Alpha. It's Kobe.

As for who would have more impact for the team, it might be Pippen.

[Sharmer]

But Kobe is of a dying breed though. Hes one of the few players that remind me how the 90's used to be.


I agree Kobe does have a tough mindset.

[retaxis]

I agree Kobe does have a tough mindset.
Kobe has borderline personality disorder.

[Sharmer]

Kobe has borderline personality disorder.

You know that's a psychiatric condition?

[retaxis]

You know that's a psychiatric condition?
He meets more then 5 of the 9 criteria for diagnosis according to the DSM V. Believe it or not most CEO's etc have or have many traits of BPD or ASPD e.g. ('ack of empathy, black and white splitting, little moral/social values, treats people like objects, only cares about the result and not the process/people they step on to get there, poor personal relationships due to lack of ability to control emotions (resulting in marriage breakdowns, cheating etc, feeling of emptiness/hopelessness etc. Other then the obvious things that Kobe has done and said (r4pe, throwing team mates under the bus, quiet and anti-social etc which give away his disorder, the small things he says for example 'each year without a championship is a year wasted' and etc really give it away his pure black and white attitude. This attitude has definitely rubbed off on his wife as well as she even stated something along the lines of 'if he ain't winning, the marriage isn't worth the sacrifice' etc. It definitely shows how difficult maintaining a relationship with someone with BPD can definitely be. I had a friend (known him for over 11years since high school) who has BPD. I definitely know that Kobe has the same sort of issues going on because of their mannerisms, ways they see the world.

[AintNoSunshine]

Doesn't matter 'cause that team will have some serious chemistry issue with an inferior player trying to be batman which prevents them from winning.

[Akrazotile]

But Kobe is of a dying breed though. Hes one of the few players that remind me how the 90's used to be.


According to Phil Jackson thats not his natural mindset and is really just an act he puts on :confusedshrug:

[imdaman99]

Class of 2014 is proving themselves :bowdown:

as major retards

[ripthekik]

If you're serious, then Kobe and it's not even close. It would be exactly like the Jordan situation.
didn't read the rest of the posts because post #2 killed it. First good post by moe I've seen as well.

[ripthekik]

He meets more then 5 of the 9 criteria for diagnosis according to the DSM V. Believe it or not most CEO's etc have or have many traits of BPD or ASPD e.g. ('ack of empathy, black and white splitting, little moral/social values, treats people like objects, only cares about the result and not the process/people they step on to get there, poor personal relationships due to lack of ability to control emotions (resulting in marriage breakdowns, cheating etc, feeling of emptiness/hopelessness etc. Other then the obvious things that Kobe has done and said (r4pe, throwing team mates under the bus, quiet and anti-social etc which give away his disorder, the small things he says for example 'each year without a championship is a year wasted' and etc really give it away his pure black and white attitude. This attitude has definitely rubbed off on his wife as well as she even stated something along the lines of 'if he ain't winning, the marriage isn't worth the sacrifice' etc. It definitely shows how difficult maintaining a relationship with someone with BPD can definitely be. I had a friend (known him for over 11years since high school) who has BPD. I definitely know that Kobe has the same sort of issues going on because of their mannerisms, ways they see the world.
this keyboard psychiatrist strikes again :roll: :roll: :roll:

I see you have problems too man, you obviously aren't a professional, probably couldn't find a job to analyze real people so you gotta do it on ISH to feel like you're special :roll: :roll: :roll:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Kobe has always had more success as the sidekick so for the good of the team, Pippen should be the first option.

[I<3NBA]

He meets more then 5 of the 9 criteria for diagnosis according to the DSM V. Believe it or not most CEO's etc have or have many traits of BPD or ASPD e.g. ('ack of empathy, black and white splitting, little moral/social values, treats people like objects, only cares about the result and not the process/people they step on to get there, poor personal relationships due to lack of ability to control emotions (resulting in marriage breakdowns, cheating etc, feeling of emptiness/hopelessness etc. Other then the obvious things that Kobe has done and said (r4pe, throwing team mates under the bus, quiet and anti-social etc which give away his disorder, the small things he says for example 'each year without a championship is a year wasted' and etc really give it away his pure black and white attitude. This attitude has definitely rubbed off on his wife as well as she even stated something along the lines of 'if he ain't winning, the marriage isn't worth the sacrifice' etc. It definitely shows how difficult maintaining a relationship with someone with BPD can definitely be. I had a friend (known him for over 11years since high school) who has BPD. I definitely know that Kobe has the same sort of issues going on because of their mannerisms, ways they see the world.
the issues you described are just being a jerk and a giant douchebag.

[moe94]

this keyboard psychiatrist strikes again :roll: :roll: :roll:

I see you have problems too man, you obviously aren't a professional, probably couldn't find a job to analyze real people so you gotta do it on ISH to feel like you're special :roll: :roll: :roll:

You need to go in again. I don't think he got it the first time around.

[Prometheus]

:kobe: Is this for real? Kobe would be the alpha dog, the leader of the team, and the first option on offense. It's entirely possible that Pippen would have more impact on the team's success with his superior defense and playmaking, but without a doubt Kobe would be the alpha. The fact that OP even asked this question is embarrassing for him.

[G-Funk]

Who would be the alpha dog batman first fiddle?

I mean we know Pippen was second banana to MJ. But Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so I don't know if that dynamic could achieve any success.

Whereas Kobe had plenty of success playing second fiddle to the league's best bigs, but obviously Pippen is a wing player.

Could this combination work? Would Pippen have to pick up extra slack and be the alpha? We saw what happened when Kobe was the alpha, he didn't have much luck in the playoffs. I think it was three straight years he didnt win a series. Whereas Pippen won 50+ and nearly made the conference finals without MJ.


Serious question, btw. What do you guys think?

MJ Championship years - 30/6/5/2/1 on 49/36/82 FGA 23.3

Kobe Prime 2001-10 - 29/6/5/2/1 on 46/34/84 FGA 21.8

Pretty damn close if you ask me?

[nightprowler10]

Pippen would play second fiddle to Kobe only because Pip would be smart enough to know that Kobe's ego needed that boost which would in turn be better for the team. Scottie would be the real floor general though.

[G-Funk]

Pippen would play second fiddle to Kobe only because Pip would be smart enough to know that Kobe's ego needed that boost which would in turn be better for the team. Scottie would be the real floor general though.
This, he did it with Jordan once, he can do it again.

[Deuce Bigalow]

MJ Championship years - 30/6/5/2/1 on 49/36/82 FGA 23.3

Kobe Prime 2001-10 - 29/6/5/2/1 on 46/34/84 FGA 21.8

Pretty damn close if you ask me?
MJ's lowest championship playoff run was 30.7 ppg so how is his average 30 ppg?

[Bush4Ever]

Kobe would, because he was the more dominant personality and primary scorer.

Not a hard choice.

[Bush4Ever]

MJ Championship years - 30/6/5/2/1 on 49/36/82 FGA 23.3

Kobe Prime 2001-10 - 29/6/5/2/1 on 46/34/84 FGA 21.8

Pretty damn close if you ask me?

No, they were not close. Not even if you intentionally set the marks to benefit Kobe (cutting out the year 2000) and hurt Jordan (protip: he was no place near his peak during his last threepeat).

While PER is not perfect, it is useful in broad strokes. This is not even considering Jordan was superior (positional) defensively.

Jordan had seven seasons with a higher PER than Kobe's BEST season.

Jordan generally hung around the 29-31 range during his serious prime seasons. Kobe was usually in the mid 20s.

There is a very clear gap between Jordan and Kobe. Stats-wise, hardware-wise, eye-test-wise, whatever...

[ThePhantomCreep]

No, they were not close. Not even if you intentionally set the marks to benefit Kobe (cutting out the year 2000) and hurt Jordan (protip: he was no place near his peak during his last threepeat).

While PER is not perfect, it is useful in broad strokes. This is not even considering Jordan was superior (positional) defensively.

Jordan had seven seasons with a higher PER than Kobe's BEST season.

Jordan generally hung around the 29-31 range during his serious prime seasons. Kobe was usually in the mid 20s.

There is a very clear gap between Jordan and Kobe. Stats-wise, hardware-wise, eye-test-wise, whatever...

Lol, PER. It's not useful when comparing across eras at all. Chris Paul > Magic anyone?

If you feel that poster is cherry-picking (which is laughable given the huge sample size) just look at Kobe's numbers since becoming a starter. They're 27/5/5 on 46%. That's a 15-year sample size.

Kobe was closer to 27-30 during his prime (which began in 02-03 and ended in 09-10 IMO). Dude averaged 28 a game just last year, past his prime.

[G-Funk]

No, they were not close. Not even if you intentionally set the marks to benefit Kobe (cutting out the year 2000) and hurt Jordan (protip: he was no place near his peak during his last threepeat).

While PER is not perfect, it is useful in broad strokes. This is not even considering Jordan was superior (positional) defensively.

Jordan had seven seasons with a higher PER than Kobe's BEST season.

Jordan generally hung around the 29-31 range during his serious prime seasons. Kobe was usually in the mid 20s.

There is a very clear gap between Jordan and Kobe. Stats-wise, hardware-wise, eye-test-wise, whatever...


lol Fail

[Milbuck]

Kobe

[Black and White]

OP is an idiot, the answer is Kobe and it's not even close

[Bush4Ever]

Lol, PER. It's not useful when comparing across eras at all. Chris Paul > Magic anyone?

If you feel that poster is cherry-picking (which is laughable given the huge sample size) just look at Kobe's numbers since becoming a starter. They're 27/5/5 on 46%. That's a 15-year sample size.

Kobe was closer to 27-30 during his prime (which began in 02-03 and ended in 09-10 IMO). Dude averaged 28 a game just last year, past his prime.

You are can compare RANKS within year to get an idea of the degree to which they dominated in their era.

Jordan had 7 first place ranks in the regular season and 6 in the playoffs. Kobe never led the league in PER in either the regular season or playoffs.

PER isn't perfect, but it is useful in broad strokes to get a sense of how a player fared vs. his competition at the time. It is certainly better than pretending pace, minutes, efficiency, and all these factors magically don't exist or influence volume statistics like PPG.

And like I said, it isn't like the "eye test" runs against this idea. There is literally nothing that Kobe does/did better than Jordan with the exception of long-range shooting. Jordan was the better performer in literally all other aspects of the game.

Not to mention defense....

Not to mention MVPs...or Finals MVPs....

And so on.

[aj1987]

MJ Championship years - 30/6/5/2/1 on 49/36/82 FGA 23.3

Kobe Prime 2001-10 - 29/6/5/2/1 on 46/34/84 FGA 21.8

Pretty damn close if you ask me?
MJ in Finals - 33.6/6/6 on 48/37/80
Kobe in Finals - 24.7/5.2/5.0/1.75/0.89 on 41.1/85.8

That rounding you did though. Damn!

Here's the correct stats:

MJ - 30.3/6.2/4.9/2.2/0.7 on 49.7/35.6/82.7
Kobe - 28.1/5.8/5.2/1.7/0.5 on 45.7/34.1/84.1

Playoffs:
MJ - 32.5/6.2/5.3/1.9/0.8 on 47.9/34/82.6
Kobe - 27.8/5.5/5.2/1.7/0.5 on 45.1/34.1/81.9

[ThePhantomCreep]

MJ in Finals - 33.6/6/6 on 48/37/80
Kobe in Finals - 24.7/5.2/5.0/1.75/0.89 on 41.1/85.8

That rounding you did though. Damn!

Here's the correct stats:

MJ - 30.3/6.2/4.9/2.2/0.7 on 49.7/35.6/82.7
Kobe - 28.1/5.8/5.2/1.7/0.5 on 45.7/34.1/84.1

Playoffs:
MJ - 32.5/6.2/5.3/1.9/0.8 on 47.9/34/82.6
Kobe - 27.8/5.5/5.2/1.7/0.5 on 45.1/34.1/81.9

Jordan kills Kobe in Finals stats, but not so much on the other set of numbers. Other than FG%, I'm not seeing a huge edge for GOAT there. 3pt FG% is close, but it really favors Kobe due to the huge difference in makes.

It's funny because Kobe is considered the least productive top 10 candidate, despite averaging 28/6/5 with (mostly) elite defense over a 10-year span. Tough crowd.

[Prometheus]

This thread is getting out of hand. Lettuce remember:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286227

[aj1987]

Jordan kills Kobe in Finals stats, but not so much on the other set of numbers. Other than FG%, I'm not seeing a huge edge for GOAT there. 3pt FG% is close, but it really favors Kobe due to the huge difference in makes.

It's funny because Kobe is considered the least productive top 10 candidate, despite averaging 28/6/5 with (mostly) elite defense over a 10-year span. Tough crowd.
Almost 5 PPG more in the playoffs. Not just the finals. Also defense.

Kobe was elite defensively for about 3 years from '01-'10.

The numbers are only from their prime years. Consider their entire careers:
MJ - 30.1/6.2/5.3/2.3/0.8 on 49.7/32.7/83.5
Kobe - 25.4/5.3/4.71.5/0.5 on 45.4/33.8/83.8

[ThePhantomCreep]

Almost 5 PPG more in the playoffs. Not just the finals. Also defense.

Kobe was elite defensively for about 3 years from '01-'10.

Sure he was. Interwebz fanboys know more than NBA coaches. I forgot.

[aj1987]

Sure he was. Interwebz fanboys know more than NBA coaches. I forgot.
Like how Marc was the DPOY last year, but didn't make the All-D First team?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Almost 5 PPG more in the playoffs. Not just the finals. Also defense.

Kobe was elite defensively for about 3 years from '01-'10.

The numbers are only from their prime years. Consider their entire careers:
MJ - 30.1/6.2/5.3/2.3/0.8 on 49.7/32.7/83.5
Kobe - 25.4/5.3/4.71.5/0.5 on 45.4/33.8/83.8

Which includes seasons when Kobe was a teenager on the bench. Jordan at that age was playing for Dean Smith. I'm not even arguing that Kobe is MJ's equal, but everyone acts like there's this enormous chasm between the two, and it isn't there.

[aj1987]

Which includes seasons when Kobe was a teenager on the bench. Jordan at that age was playing for Dean Smith. I'm not even arguing that Kobe is MJ's equal, but everyone acts like there's this enormous chasm between the two, and it isn't there.
I also included the years when MJ was 38 and 39. Maybe we should just eliminate LeBron's rookie season as well, since he was just a teenager. Then he'd have career averages of 28/7/7 on 50/34/75..

Did you know that Carlos Boozer (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9166/jvg-hunts-for-coach-who-voted-for-boozer) got a vote to be on the All-D team?

EDIT: If we remove MJ's Wiz seasons:
31.5/6.3/5.4/2.5/0.9 on 50.5/33.2/83.8
Significantly better than Kobe's.

[mehyaM24]

Almost 5 PPG more in the playoffs. Not just the finals. Also defense.

Kobe was elite defensively for about 3 years from '01-'10.

The numbers are only from their prime years. Consider their entire careers:
MJ - 30.1/6.2/5.3/2.3/0.8 on 49.7/32.7/83.5
Kobe - 25.4/5.3/4.71.5/0.5 on 45.4/33.8/83.8

...jordan owns kobe, this is not news to anyone....

[mehyaM24]

This thread is getting out of hand. Lettuce remember:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286227

...lmao i remember that thread. but how do you, january 2014?

[GOATbe]

Kobe's the definition of alpha, but Pippen was up there in terms of alpha cus MJ was an automatic first round exit before Pippen came and carried him.

I can't see Kobe winning any less than 8 rings with the stacked teams Jordan had. If he can lead a team to back to back titles with Pau Gasoft as his 2nd option, no doubt he'd cruise to at least 8 with Pippen/Rodman. The era Jordan started winning was very weak.

[JohnMax]

Pippen would end up leaving

Only reason players even stay with Kobe is because Lakers are championship contenders. When they are not championship contenders. You end up with Dwight Howard situation.

[Akrazotile]

Jordan kills Kobe in Finals stats, but not so much on the other set of numbers.


Well don't forget, Kobe was able to boost his stats in the western conference because he seemed to be matched up against the Suns or Jazz half the time. Those were two of the worst defensive teams in playoff memory. He was able to statpad against them but outside of that, ehh.

If you go back and watch the TNT or ESPN coverage etc. from those playoff runs, all the people at halftime or in postgame would say "The Lakers have a clear advantage inside, they really should throw the ball in the post more often."

I mean everyone KNEW kobe was ballhogging it. And he got away with it because he was playing the Suns and Jazz. When they got to the finals, his desperate "watch me be teh hero" chucking nearly prevented the Lakers from winning a couple of those chips.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Pippen would end up leaving

Only reason players even stay with Kobe is because Lakers are championship contenders. When they are not championship contenders. You end up with Dwight Howard situation.

Literally the only time a big name FA chose to leave LA. And that's only because he never wanted to play for the Lakers in the first place. It had nothing to do with Kobe.


Why hasn't Gasol asked to leave if Kobe is so awful? Why did Odom turn to drugs after he was traded to Dallas?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Well don't forget, Kobe was able to boost his stats in the western conference because he seemed to be matched up against the Suns or Jazz half the time. Those were two of the worst defensive teams in playoff memory. He was able to statpad against them but outside of that, ehh.

If you go back and watch the TNT or ESPN coverage etc. from those playoff runs, all the people at halftime or in postgame would say "The Lakers have a clear advantage inside, they really should throw the ball in the post more often."

I mean everyone KNEW kobe was ballhogging it. And he got away with it because he was playing the Suns and Jazz. When they got to the finals, his desperate "watch me be teh hero" chucking nearly prevented the Lakers from winning a couple of those chips.

Rolf, you really knock the defenses Kobe faced?! 80's/early 90's basketball was easily more footloose/fancy free in term of defense. Check the numbers, even the Bad Boys routinely gave up 100+ ppg. Jordan's numbers declined when he faced them too. It wasn't until the mid-90's that you saw anything resembling modern-day pace and defense on a large scale.

Your post is flat garbage.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

prime Pippen was a beast and imo better than Prime Kobe:bowdown: he was only second to MJ in their time
Wont matter doe without an elite rebounding 7 footer a Kobe led team doesnt win jackshit:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Prometheus]

...lmao i remember that thread. but how do you, january 2014?

shit gets bumped like every other day ya corny bag of shit

[Prometheus]

Well don't forget, Kobe was able to boost his stats in the western conference because he seemed to be matched up against the Suns or Jazz half the time. Those were two of the worst defensive teams in playoff memory. He was able to statpad against them but outside of that, ehh.

If you go back and watch the TNT or ESPN coverage etc. from those playoff runs, all the people at halftime or in postgame would say "The Lakers have a clear advantage inside, they really should throw the ball in the post more often."

I mean everyone KNEW kobe was ballhogging it. And he got away with it because he was playing the Suns and Jazz. When they got to the finals, his desperate "watch me be teh hero" chucking nearly prevented the Lakers from winning a couple of those chips.

most of what you just said was pretty stupid, but as for the bolded text... :applause: and in fact it DID cost them a chip in 2004 :facepalm

[ThePhantomCreep]

prime Pippen was a beast and imo better than Prime Kobe:bowdown: he was only second to MJ in their time
Wont matter doe without an elite rebounding 7 footer a Kobe led team doesnt win jackshit:oldlol: :oldlol:

Amazing how you were able to knock Kobe for winning with Pau Gasol (who was never an elite rebounder) while at the same time admitting that Jordan had the second best player in the league during his title years.

Pippen was never the second best player in the NBA, but it's hilarious how you trip yourselves up with your bad arguments.

[finchyyy]

Is this a joke? Of course Kobe is the alpha and Pippen is the beta. It's just how these guys are wired. Kobe tried taking the alpha status over peak Shaq (and pretty much suceeded), and Shaq is vastly superior to Pippen. There's no way Kobe would defer to Scottie Pippen.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Is this a joke? Of course Kobe is the alpha and Pippen is the beta. It's just how these guys are wired. Kobe tried taking the alpha status over peak Shaq (and pretty much suceeded), and Shaq is vastly superior to Pippen. There's no way Kobe would defer to Scottie Pippen.
Wut? He Alpha'd his way to losing to the Pistons.

[moe94]

Wut? He Alpha'd his way to losing to the Pistons.

Shaq got contained to a measly 27/11 on 60% shooting.

Meanwhile, Kobe's stats blow him out of the water!

[6 for 24]

Wut? He Alpha'd his way to losing to the Pistons.

This is revisionist history at its best. Kobe was on fire during that series, posting a PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[coolhandsteve]

Kobe isn't deferring to Scottie. So Kobe 1st option, Scottie 2nd.

They would shut it down playing perimeter defense tho.

[KyrieTheFuture]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]This is revisionist history at its best. Kobe was on fire during that series, posting a PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]This is revisionist history at its best. Kobe was on fire during that series, posting a PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[16X]

Who would be the alpha dog batman first fiddle?

I mean we know Pippen was second banana to MJ. But Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so I don't know if that dynamic could achieve any success.

Whereas Kobe had plenty of success playing second fiddle to the league's best bigs, but obviously Pippen is a wing player.

Could this combination work? Would Pippen have to pick up extra slack and be the alpha? We saw what happened when Kobe was the alpha, he didn't have much luck in the playoffs. I think it was three straight years he didnt win a series. Whereas Pippen won 50+ and nearly made the conference finals without MJ.


Serious question, btw. What do you guys think?
Scottie Pippen - 16.1 career ppg.

Cute thread though. You probably shouldn't have added the "serious question" part, as that shows you don't even take your own question seriously. If you did, there would be no need to add "serious question". Troll harder my dude. :cheers:

[Sharmer]

Scottie Pippen - 16.1 career ppg.

Cute thread though. You probably shouldn't have added the "serious question" part, as that shows you don't even take your own question seriously. If you did, there would be no need to add "serious question". Troll harder my dude. :cheers:


:biggums: KG career average 18.7.

[Milbuck]

What the **** is an akrazotile?

[finchyyy]

Wut? He Alpha'd his way to losing to the Pistons.

This is more about the Lakers choosing Kobe over Shaq, not Kobe sabotaging that series. It boiled down to a decision between Kobe and Shaq, and the organisation went with Kobe.

[Brokenbeat]

Christ, this place is a mess. :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

This is more about the Lakers choosing Kobe over Shaq, not Kobe sabotaging that series. It boiled down to a decision between Kobe and Shaq, and the organisation went with Kobe.

No, no , no.

Phil Jackson intentionally let Kobe sabotage a series, there was nothing he could do.

It's not like it was in the game plan or anything, Kobe just took over and it led to a loss in the Finals.

Shaq was balling out in 04, one of his best seasons imo, he was going one on one with Ben Wallace.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Oh yea he shot a blistering 38.1% and 17% from 3 while averaging over 3 turnovers. That's straight fire right there.
you just got trolled:lol :applause:

[ThePhantomCreep]

What the **** is an akrazotile?

It's Swahili for "LeBron ball polisher"

[ThePhantomCreep]

Yes but Durant is leading a team as the alpha. Kobe played against super soft defensive attention because of Shaqs presence. Kobe should have had a much higher PERtm.

Kobe always saw the opposing team's best perimeter defender, and saw plenty of doubles, even when Shaq was around.

Ron Harper and Robert Horry each hit playoff game-winners thanks to doubles on Kobe. Oh, and the famous lob from FroBe to Shaq? Kobe collapsed the defense which left Shaq unguarded.

[chazzy]

Yes but Durant is leading a team as the alpha. Kobe played against super soft defensive attention because of Shaqs presence. Kobe should have had a much higher PERtm.
Starface talking to himself on two accounts :lol

[Cold soul]

Kobe and isn't even close.

[c5terror]

Jordan kills Kobe in Finals stats, but not so much on the other set of numbers. Other than FG%, I'm not seeing a huge edge for GOAT there. 3pt FG% is close, but it really favors Kobe due to the huge difference in makes.

It's funny because Kobe is considered the least productive top 10 candidate, despite averaging 28/6/5 with (mostly) elite defense over a 10-year span. Tough crowd.

lol kidding me...
MJ kills kobe ...Championship Run: MJ is better Offensive Rebounder(hell he's better offensive rebounder than lebron), better stealer, not only that he's clutch offensively, he's also clutch defensively,

Season;

Can kobe average 30+ppg in a season with 48+%fg?
Can Kobe win scoring title + mvp + steal title + DPOY in a single season?
Can Kobe win a DPOY
Can kobe win at least one steal title?
Can kobe get at least one 200+ steal?
Can kobe achieve 200+steal and 100+block in a single season?(only 3 player achieve that)
Can kobe just average at least 2 offensive rebound in a single season?
Can kobe win at least one steal title while having 30+ppg?
Can kobe get at least one 200+ steal while having 30+ppg?
Can kobe achieve 200+steal and 100+block in a single season while having 30+ppg?
Can Kobe win a DPOY while having a 30+ppg?