Biggest choke job: 2011 Lebron or 2014 Peyton Manning?

[Frozen1]

I was stunned by how bad was last game for Denver and this comparison came to my mind.

Before you come here and say Peyton did not choke, because he threw for 280 yards and completed 70% of his passes against a seattle defense, well, in my opinion his pick 6 was a definition of a choke job.

You are losing 15-0 in a SB, going on a good drive to try a score and make the game 15-7 or 15-3, and then throw a pick 6.

That was straight choking, the game losing play.

In my opinion the comparison is pretty close, both were considered playoff chokers, had high expectations and failed to maintain their regular season stats or even the previous playoffs round stats.

But i will give the edge to Peyton. He broke records in TD passes and yards, his offense was the best of all time, and then goes to the big game and throw 2 interceptions in the first half.

Lebron after all did not have a great regular season for his standards that year, neither his team was record breaking in anything.

[cos88]

kobe game 7 second half vs phx or kobe 2004 when he was the 6th players for detroit

[BigTicket]

2011 Kobe

Two time defending champ with home court advantage getting swept in the 2nd round.

[fiddy]

kobe game 7 second half vs phx or kobe 2004 when he was the 6th players for detroit
Your mother for not aborting you? :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

Football is dependent on more factors than the NBA where one man can make a big difference.

Manning can only do so much, there's offensive calls that are made by the offensive coordinator, the defense also plays a significant role. If the defense does a better job the play calling for the Broncos is different. A more balanced attack can perhaps keep the Hawks on their toes a bit more. He's also dependent on the running backs and receivers.

So essentially there's multiple variables to consider here.

He didn't choke, he also didn't have a great nor a terrible game. Not much he could've done to be honest.

It's not like the NBA in which MJ can be all over the court defensively, then creating for his team offensively.

[MichaelCorleone]

Lebron didn't choke. He just didn't go beast mode.

[Nick Young]

Football is dependent on more factors than the NBA where one man can make a big difference.

Manning can only do so much, there's offensive calls that are made by the offensive coordinator, the defense also plays a significant role. If the defense does a better job the play calling for the Broncos is different. A more balanced attack can perhaps keep the Hawks on their toes a bit more. He's also dependent on the running backs and receivers.

So essentially there's multiple variables to consider here.

He didn't choke, he also didn't have a great nor a terrible game. Not much he could've done to be honest.

It's not like the NBA in which MJ can be all over the court defensively, then creating for his team offensively.
oh so ur one of those manning apologists I've been hearing about

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[BlazerRed]

2011 Lebron by far. That's one of the WOAT choke jobs.

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[Jackass18]

The pick-6 wasn't choking. It was the result of poor blocking. He got hit as he was throwing the ball.

[cos88]

Your mother for not aborting you? :confusedshrug:

my mother loves me. instead your gipsy semen eating mom doesn't know your name because of all the bulgarian little gispys he has with numerous men.

[Lebron23]

Miami actually won 2 games in that series while Seattle just destroyed Peyton's team.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is greater than Manning. LBj is a 2x NBA Champion.

[andgar923]

oh so ur one of those manning apologists I've been hearing about

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No not really.

I could give two shits about him, never really cared. Never really saw him play much to be honest. Simply stating what had to be stated.

[Rasheed1]

Manning didn't choke.. he got beat up on by a better team.

I think the people who say he choked are the ones who underestimated the Seahawks.

Just because Peyton was carving regular defenses, they assumed he would stroll into the super bowl and carve up this defense.. If you had been paying attention, you would have been able to predict that this defense would be able to get quick pressure, and the only question then was whether or not Peyton could find his receivers faster than the pressure could get to him. He can't run anywhere, so it was up to the Seattle front four to make him uncomfortable.

Seattle front four got the job done..

IMO manning would have been much smarter to just take the sack on those plays when the pressure was on him and he either was stripped or hit while throwing

[Akrazotile]

Seattle front four got the job done..

This. But..


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[Patrick Chewing]

That team let Peyton down and he went up against one of the best defenses we've ever seen. The Broncos were just not prepared for that physical assault.

[CelticBaller]

2011 LeBron. Where as with manning his team made dumb mistakes, Welker dropped ball like always and the defense shit their bed. LeBron played on both sides of the court and played like Luke Walton in the 4th

[Mr. Jabbar]

bran

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

like sheed said, last night was predictable. i'm still going with peyton, he almost got shut out right after a historical multi-record breaking season.

[Nick Young]

That team let Peyton down and he went up against one of the best defenses we've ever seen. The Broncos were just not prepared for that physical assault.
Dose interceptions doe

[Bless Mathews]

FIrst off we SMACKED them. People underestimated our d. Football is a game of match ups. We were number one in pressuring the quarterback. Not sacks, but pressure. Hurries. Knock downs. That's all we had to do with manning. We forced plays. I mean completed 33 passes. Our defense SWARMED and didn't let them get any yards after the catch. Something they made their money on all year. We are the best d. Goat status.

Football and basketball are completely different. Basketball you are one in 5 players. Play offense and defense. Football you are one in 22 play one side.

Can't compare that. A basketball player has chance to take over a game more than a football player. Way more.

You can't compare it. Bron choked way more.

Manning and his receivers just beat the fucc down by one of the best defenses in nfl history.

[navy]

Lebron actually choked. Peyton just lost. Badly.

[97 bulls]

Credit has to be given to Seattle's Defense.

Although, There were a few passes Peyton threw that just flatout missed it's intended target. Manning wasn't the sole reason the Broncos lost, but he definitely did his part.

[HardwoodLegend]

The definition of choking is losing when you're the favored team or squandering a comfortable lead at a critical moment. Peyton was in neither situation. Seattle was the favored team by all the experts before the game started, and Seattle jumped out to the early lead.

[dude77]

2 things that doomed denver ..

1. wrong fkn game plan .. too many throws .. slinging the ball everywhere against the best secondary in the league ? fk were you thinking .. should've ran more and established the line more like they had been doing in previous games .. I have all the confidence that they could have .. I saw glimpses of being able to run it but they just abandoned it ..

2. turnovers/mistakes .. that absolutely killed any chances they had .. any

they played right into the hands of seattle .. it also didn't help that they came out shook .. I've never seen them botch a snap the entire fkn season .. and they do it on the first play in the super bowl ? ..

rasheed made a good point .. manning should've taken the sack on that pick 6 .. costly mistake .. that play was doomed from the moment he decided he was gonna throw it .. how the fk are you gonna gift seattle touchdowns with the defense they have ? ..

denver gifted seattle 16 pts off turnovers/special teams .. with just one good drive and td score from seattle(which they got in the first half) and suddenly you've spotted them 23 pts(setting aside all other scores) .. against seattle with their d, you might as well go home at that point

[tpols]

The pick 6 only happened because the o Lineman couldn't keep Seattle defense away from Peyton and he got nailed as he threw it. Seattles too tough.. They manhandled everyone on that broncos team from the very start. Choking to me is when you play great to start and then play terrible at the end.. Aka you pull a romo.


What Lebron did was choking.. Played great to start the series, was beasting talking shit and laughing then Mavs come back from a 15 pt fourth quarter hole and bran becomes shook as hell.

Bran also destroyed the Bulls top ranked defense the round before and then flopped against an inferior defense relatively speaking in the finals. Peyton faced inferior defenses before the superbowl and then faced a beast at the end.

Bottomline you have to give Seattle their due.. They forced the issue on Denver. Miami and bran just pissed theirs away

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Manning didn't choke.. he got beat up on by a better team.

I think the people who say he choked are the ones who underestimated the Seahawks.

Just because Peyton was carving regular defenses, they assumed he would stroll into the super bowl and carve up this defense.. If you had been paying attention, you would have been able to predict that this defense would be able to get quick pressure, and the only question then was whether or not Peyton could find his receivers faster than the pressure could get to him. He can't run anywhere, so it was up to the Seattle front four to make him uncomfortable.

Seattle front four got the job done..

IMO manning would have been much smarter to just take the sack on those plays when the pressure was on him and he either was stripped or hit while throwing

[Rasheed1]

This seahawks were clearly the vastly superior team. THe nfc was clearly vastly superior. The 49ers would have also beat either the broncos or the patriots.

Peyton played terrible, but even had he played well they would have lost.

The 2011 heat had more talent than the 2011 mavs. It was an epic choke.


agree..

Imma Eagles fan and I hadn't paid much attention to the 49ers or the Seahawks all season. I knew they had great defenses, but I hadn't really taken any time to watch their games.

I did watch the NFC championship game, and I was shocked by the pure intensity of both defenses..

It was obvious to me that Peyton would probably have a tough time with this defense..

I thought he'd do better than 8 pts :lol but I didn't expect Denver to win the game

[Frozen1]

2 things that doomed denver ..

1. wrong fkn game plan .. too many throws .. slinging the ball everywhere against the best secondary in the league ? fk were you thinking .. should've ran more and established the line more like they had been doing in previous games .. I have all the confidence that they could have .. I saw glimpses of being able to run it but they just abandoned it ..


If you have the best passing offense in the history of the NFL i think you don't have to adjust to your oponent, you have to play the way you played the whole year. And even, their running game did not work yesterday when they tried it.

And as far as i know, kaepernick was making a game winning drive making clutch passes until he forced that interception at the end. So if kaepernick could throw at them, i'm pretty sure peyton could have done a lot better.

[HardwoodLegend]

And as far as i know, kaepernick was making a game winning drive making clutch passes until he forced that interception at the end. So if kaepernick could throw at them, i'm pretty sure peyton could have done a lot better.

Do you think it's possible Seattle's D prepared for Kaepernick differently than they did for Manning? They probably dared Kap to throw more and designed for pass-oriented schemes for Manning.

[Bless Mathews]

2 things that doomed denver ..

1. wrong fkn game plan .. too many throws .. slinging the ball everywhere against the best secondary in the league ? fk were you thinking .. should've ran more and established the line more like they had been doing in previous games .. I have all the confidence that they could have .. I saw glimpses of being able to run it but they just abandoned it ..

2. turnovers/mistakes .. that absolutely killed any chances they had .. any

they played right into the hands of seattle .. it also didn't help that they came out shook .. I've never seen them botch a snap the entire fkn season .. and they do it on the first play in the super bowl ? ..

rasheed made a good point .. manning should've taken the sack on that pick 6 .. costly mistake .. that play was doomed from the moment he decided he was gonna throw it .. how the fk are you gonna gift seattle touchdowns with the defense they have ? ..

denver gifted seattle 16 pts off turnovers/special teams .. with just one good drive and td score from seattle(which they got in the first half) and suddenly you've spotted them 23 pts(setting aside all other scores) .. against seattle with their d, you might as well go home at that point

Hey there you are fucc tard.

Avoiding football forum I see.

You're an idiot. I Am a prophet

Stop rambling on and on about shit. You don't know football.

[kentatm]

I was stunned by how bad was last game for Denver and this comparison came to my mind.

Before you come here and say Peyton did not choke, because he threw for 280 yards and completed 70% of his passes against a seattle defense, well, in my opinion his pick 6 was a definition of a choke job.



and right here is where I stopped reading b/c you clearly don't know much about football.

that pick 6 happened b/c Manning's line collapsed and let his arm get nearly taken off as he was throwing. Then his dumb ass WR just sat there and watched the ball flutter in the air instead of going over to knock it down.

To pin that completely on Manning and call it choking means you are a low information football fan who doesn't comprehend the game past who is throwing the ball.

[dude77]

Hey there you are fucc tard.

Avoiding football forum I see.

You're an idiot. I Am a prophet

Stop rambling on and on about shit. You don't know football.

I'm right here bitch .. getting a prediction right doesn't mean you know shit about football .. 'I predicted a top seed with a top defense to win a game .. i'm a genius - bless fggt

like I said .. if you had lost you would be nowhere to be found until september .. no shame in being wrong about a prediction .. a lot of people predicted denver .. a lot predicted seattle .. no one knows how the game is gonna turn out in the end

[Jackass18]

Choking generally involves the game being in a critical do-or-die situation where a person, you know, chokes, or you could say in a game where a person continually fails all game long (a QB continually throws interceptions and incompletions that are his fault). Neither is the case here. It was just a case of a superior team winning and there being a blow out due to everything going their way.

[Heavincent]

Unlike basketball, the "good offense beats good defense" thing doesn't apply in football. In fact, it's probably the other way around. Seattle's defense took a giant shit on Denver's offense and there wasn't a damn thing anybody could have done about it. They did the same thing to Brees and the Saints.

Football is the ultimate team game. The media wants people to believe QB's like Manning and Brady can win by themselves, but that's a load of shit. It feels like a lot of people who picked the Broncos went with the ridiculously oversimplified logic of "well you can't bet against #18!".

[Bless Mathews]

I'm right here bitch .. getting a prediction right doesn't mean you know shit about football .. 'I predicted a top seed with a top defense to win a game .. i'm a genius - bless fggt

like I said .. if you had lost you would be nowhere to be found until september .. no shame in being wrong about a prediction .. a lot of people predicted denver .. a lot predicted seattle .. no one knows how the game is gonna turn out in the end
Your a fucc tard. You don't know shit.

I predicted all details.

"Wilson will have higher rating than manning"- lord bless

"Blah blah blah blah. I'm a dumb fucc tard"- deuche 77

[DonDadda59]

Peyton was the least of the Broncos worries last night. They were manhandled and outworked at every level. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Hustle, Energy. Hawks had the wide advantage in every area. Peyton clearly didn't have his best game, or even a good game by his standards. But he did set the SB record for most completions. SEA was just the better team.

[Frozen1]

If broncos had won there will be the talks of "manning tha goat", everybody praising him and his all time best offense.

But then his team loses and suddenly it's all team's fault, except him.

When the darlings QB's (manning and brady) win it's all about their greatness, but when they lose it's the team that's not good enough or did not play well enough.

The delusion it's too high.

Sunday i saw a peyton manning being outplayed by a sophomore russel wilson who in the first half was making clutch 3rd down passes and helping build that 15-0 lead, that eventually blew bigger with all the defensive plays.

I guess it will never be Brady or Manning fault.

[riseagainst]

Lebron 2011 and it's not even close.

Peyton 2014 is more like Kobe 2004. Both went up against the number 1 defense in the league, and arguably the GREATEST defense of all time. Both under performed hugely and were smothered by the oppositions' defenses.

Lebron, on the other hand, choked, didn't show up,etc. It's that simple.

[VIntageNOvel]

Lebron 2011 and it's not even close.

Peyton 2014 is more like Kobe 2004. Both went up against the number 1 defense in the league, and arguably the GREATEST defense of all time. Both under performed hugely and were smothered by the oppositions' defenses.

Lebron, on the other hand, choked, didn't show up,etc. It's that simple.


beautifully put:applause:

[-p.tiddy-]

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"choking" is what Peyton did in the Saints SB

the pick-6 in this SB may have been the o-line more than Peyton HOWEVER IMO Peyton did play well below his standards, anyone who watched him all year would know that he did for the most part "suck" during the SB. He was missing lots of routine throws.

and I wouldn't doubt part of the reason for his off game was "SB nerves" which I suppose could be viewed as a "choke job" however IMO Denver would have lost even with Peyton playing at his normal high level so I don't view it that way.