Phoenix trying to acquire Gasol is completely moronic

[Connor B]

I get it, get rid of Okafor's injured ass to supplement for the salary needed to trade for Pau, but also lose a first round pick, and then lose in the first or if they are really lucky, second round anyway...then potentially lose Pau in the off season since he'll go where the money is, and hopefully they wont sign him for more than 10-13 million (because he clearly is not worth more) a year. To be honest I would look elsewhere entirely for big men.

So basically give the Lakers a freebie first round pick. That's what is about to happen here. If they think they are going to make a playoff run with Pau over any of the contending western teams, they are delusional.

[navy]

And if they dont give up the picks?

[Connor B]

And if they dont give up the picks?

Lakers would not trade a player that's expiring anyway for nothing.

[flipogb]

you have like 4 first round picks, only an idiot GM would keep all of them.

[Im so nba'd out]

Who knows how good they could be with gasol OP is a moron.You just hate the lakers so much you dont want to see them get a 1st round pick

[Black and White]

I think it's a great move for Phoenix, you bring in a quality big man to pair with Dragic, you don't need all of those picks so it only makes sense to sacrifice 1 to bring in Gasol, not to mention he may like playing with players like Dragic and Bledsoe, sometimes you have to take risks to move forward.

[Eric Cartman]

Middle of the first round pick and Okafor for Gasol seems like a fair trade for both teams. Especially one to make a playoff push in the tough west like the Suns are now.

[Godzuki]

i agree with Pau not being worth what he's going to command on the open market, which i'd assume is going to be more than $13~mill, i'd be guessing someone will sign him to a $15mill~ 3 year deal or something.

if i were Phx i'd be going after Taj Gibson and try to get him at a value. then maybe trade for Asik or some true big man. Taj is going to be one of the best values in FA imo. Pau is going to get overpaid.

[Connor B]

You guys are so stupid if if you think washed up Pau will allow Phoenix to make any legitimate playoff run.

[Black and White]

You guys are so stupid if if you think washed up Pau will allow Phoenix to make any legitimate playoff run.

Or maybe you are being narrow minded, check his stats for Jan, tell me how that wont help the Suns

[Smook A.]

Or maybe you are being narrow minded, check his stats for Jan, tell me how that wont help the Suns
If they get Pau, who would be in the trade?

[Black and White]

If they get Pau, who would be in the trade?

The trade being thrown around is Pau for Okafor + 1st round pick

[fiddy]

You guys are so stupid if if you think washed up Pau will allow Phoenix to make any legitimate playoff run.
Like they have proper other options

[imdaman99]

It would be funny if Pau still gets swept on the Suns in the 1st round :lol

Waitin on that 1st playoff win without Kobe. Knicks finally got a few last year, it's time he did as well :rockon:

[Connor B]

It would be funny if Pau still gets swept on the Suns in the 1st round :lol

Waitin on that 1st playoff win without Kobe. Knicks finally got a few last year, it's time he did as well :rockon:

They will very likely. I love how Suns fans have supported their team this year and no doubt they'd do better in the east but in the west they aren't going far at all.

[HurricaneKid]

The trade being thrown around is Pau for Okafor + 1st round pick

No. Lakers fans are throwing that one out. There is no first coming back. Thats straight from the Suns beat reporter.

[Akrazotile]

Lakers would not trade a player that's expiring anyway for nothing.


I'm pretty sure if they trade him before this season's deadline, they save big luxury tax $$$. I'm not positive that is the case, but pretty sure.

And if that is the case, the ONLY reason the LA Kobes would not trade Pau is if Kobe tells them not to. The fans bow down to Kobe Bryant, and thus the team does too, and if Kobe says "Do not trade Pau from my team, I need him here to be the pinata for the fans so there's less focus on when I play like shit" then they won't trade him.

Best believe if it were up to the team, they would do it and save the money. But it's up to Kobe.


For the record, I agree with the OP that the Suns should not trade a pick.

[Black and White]

No. Lakers fans are throwing that one out. There is no first coming back. Thats straight from the Suns beat reporter.

Dunno if the Lakers do it without the first tbh, they want picks don't they?

[Anti Hero]

I get it, get rid of Okafor's injured ass to supplement for the salary needed to trade for Pau, but also lose a first round pick, and then lose in the first or if they are really lucky, second round anyway...then potentially lose Pau in the off season since he'll go where the money is, and hopefully they wont sign him for more than 10-13 million (because he clearly is not worth more) a year. To be honest I would look elsewhere entirely for big men.

So basically give the Lakers a freebie first round pick. That's what is about to happen here. If they think they are going to make a playoff run with Pau over any of the contending western teams, they are delusional.

Suns reporter @Gambo987 has already stated they will only do the trade if it's straight up, no picks to LA.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lakers trade propositions rustle so many jimmies

can't wait till we get a first rounder out of Pau

[Anti Hero]

The trade being thrown around is Pau for Okafor + 1st round pick


John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 17h
The Suns would not give up a first round pick for Gasol only Okafor because it adds 8 mill in payroll and subtracts 13 off LAs books.

No picks.

[Connor B]

Suns reporter @Gambo987 has already stated they will only do the trade if it's straight up, no picks to LA.

Okay so what's the point for L.A.? They would just be making Phoenix better.

[buddha]

Okay so what's the point for L.A.? They would just be making Phoenix better.

L.A. wants to tank and they don't want to pay luxury tax while tanking.

[Anti Hero]

Okay so what's the point for L.A.? They would just be making Phoenix better.

They lose an additional 5 million off their books to use to sign players next season.

[Black and White]

No picks.

I don't really see a reason for LA to do this then.
They have the stretch provision with Nash.

[Run&Gun=Fun]

Okay so what's the point for L.A.? They would just be making Phoenix better.

They save millions in cash.

Get more lottery balls.

[Anti Hero]

L.A. wants to tank and they don't want to pay luxury tax while tanking.
^What he said.

[gts]

I'm pretty sure if they trade him before this season's deadline, they save big luxury tax $$$. I'm not positive that is the case, but pretty sure.


they save some but not enough to do them much good with a Phoenix contract coming back.. numbers I saw were they save about 3 million in taxes which is a drop in the bucket to LA

The big thing it doesn't do is it doesn't get them below the tax line.. Getting below the tax cap would be beneficial because it helps edge them out of the repeater tax bracket which would be the only reason of trading Pau if they didn't get a draft pick back.

I don't see them moving Pau to save a few million bucks that does nothing towards either improving the roster OR getting them below the tax cap and the rumored trade does just that, nothing

[gts]

They lose an additional 5 million off their books to use to sign players next season.

Pau comes off the books this summer anyways.. trading him does nothing to effect that

[Twiens]

It would be funny if Pau still gets swept on the Suns in the 1st round :lol

Waitin on that 1st playoff win without Kobe. Knicks finally got a few last year, it's time he did as well :rockon:

Ah man I completely forgot about that Pau stat, dont do it Phoenix! :oldlol:

[Connor B]

they save some but not enough to do them much good with a Phoenix contract coming back.. numbers I saw were they save about 3 million in taxes which is a drop in the bucket to LA

The big thing it doesn't do is it doesn't get them below the tax line.. Getting below the tax cap would be beneficial because it helps edge them out of the repeater tax bracket which would be the only reason of trading Pau if they didn't get a draft pick back.

I don't see them moving Pau to save a few million bucks that does nothing towards either improving the roster OR getting them below the tax cap and the rumored trade does just that, nothing


Exactly.

[Akrazotile]

they save some but not enough to do them much good with a Phoenix contract coming back.. numbers I saw were they save about 3 million in taxes which is a drop in the bucket to LA

The big thing it doesn't do is it doesn't get them below the tax line.. Getting below the tax cap would be beneficial because it helps edge them out of the repeater tax bracket which would be the only reason of trading Pau if they didn't get a draft pick back.

I don't see them moving Pau to save a few million bucks that does nothing towards either improving the roster OR getting them below the tax cap and the rumored trade does just that, nothing


This is wishful thinking man. The team is going nowhere this year with or without Pau. All the season tickets are already bought. Whoever is gonna tune in to watch games is not doing it based on Pau. His presence makes no difference in their on court or off court value. You think the owners wouldnt RATHER save three million bucks? I understand its not a huge sum relative to their general revenue but its still three million bucks. No owner likes to piss that away. The Lakers will spend money but they dont spend it like idiots as if its monopoly money. Theyre not James Dolan. Unless Kobe says to. Thats the only hope for keeping Pau.

[HurricaneKid]

Its not 3MM. Its 13MM the Lakers save. Sorry but thats real money. The difference in salary is 5MM but the insurance is paying out on Okafor's contract at 80%. While this won't lower team salary for LAL (to get under the tax), it DOES save LAL 8MM. So the Lakers would get 13MM in player salary relief and get the tank moving a little faster. Thats a big deal too because right now they are tied for the 7/8 pick. Thats Saric/Vonleh/Harris area. If they are able to drop 2 games in the standings they drop to 3. Thats Wiggins/Jabari area. The difference is enormous.

If it makes Laker fans happy lets call it Pau and Vonleh for 13MM and Jabari Parker. Sounds much better no?

[Ancient Legend]

Suns reporter @Gambo987 has already stated they will only do the trade if it's straight up, no picks to LA.

This. Looks like OP is behind the times.

[PejaNowitzki]

they save some but not enough to do them much good with a Phoenix contract coming back.. numbers I saw were they save about 3 million in taxes which is a drop in the bucket to LA

The big thing it doesn't do is it doesn't get them below the tax line.. Getting below the tax cap would be beneficial because it helps edge them out of the repeater tax bracket which would be the only reason of trading Pau if they didn't get a draft pick back.

I don't see them moving Pau to save a few million bucks that does nothing towards either improving the roster OR getting them below the tax cap and the rumored trade does just that, nothing


They would save roughly $12-13 million, not 3. That's a whole lot of cheddar and a lot harder to turn down. It would also put them in range of avoiding the luxury tax completely were they able to dump someone else.

[Anti Hero]

Its not 3MM. Its 13MM the Lakers save. Sorry but thats real money. The difference in salary is 5MM but the insurance is paying out on Okafor's contract at 80%. While this won't lower team salary for LAL (to get under the tax), it DOES save LAL 8MM. So the Lakers would get 13MM in player salary relief and get the tank moving a little faster. Thats a big deal too because right now they are tied for the 7/8 pick. Thats Saric/Vonleh/Harris area. If they are able to drop 2 games in the standings they drop to 3. Thats Wiggins/Jabari area. The difference is enormous.

If it makes Laker fans happy lets call it Pau and Vonleh for 13MM and Jabari Parker. Sounds much better no?

This guy understands.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Pau is hurting the tank and costing them money, of course they should trade him straight up. Besides, they owe him after how terribly they're treated him the last few years.

[pegasus]

Its not 3MM. Its 13MM the Lakers save. Sorry but thats real money. The difference in salary is 5MM but the insurance is paying out on Okafor's contract at 80%. While this won't lower team salary for LAL (to get under the tax), it DOES save LAL 8MM. So the Lakers would get 13MM in player salary relief and get the tank moving a little faster. Thats a big deal too because right now they are tied for the 7/8 pick. Thats Saric/Vonleh/Harris area. If they are able to drop 2 games in the standings they drop to 3. Thats Wiggins/Jabari area. The difference is enormous.

If it makes Laker fans happy lets call it Pau and Vonleh for 13MM and Jabari Parker. Sounds much better no?

We're more than half way through the season, so one half of Okafor's salary has already been paid, and same with Gasol.

(($19.3-14.5)/2)) + (($14.5/2)*0.8)) = $8.2MM
or
($19.3/2) - (($14.5/2)*0.2)) = $8.2MM is what they'd be saving.

[Grey Dawn]

Who knows how good they could be with gasol OP is a moron.You just hate the lakers so much you dont want to see them get a 1st round pick

And this reply is moronic because it doesn't respond to a single point that the OP is saying, instead just 'duhhh, Gasol is good'.

[PejaNowitzki]

We're more than half way through the season, so one half of Okafor's salary has already been paid, and same with Gasol.

(($19.3-14.5)/2)) + (($14.5/2)*0.8)) = $8.2MM
or
($19.3/2) - (($14.5/2)*0.2)) = $8.2MM is what they'd be saving.



I've seen $13 million from a variety of sources thus far. In anycase, the Lakers save a lot of money in the midst of a losing season.


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[Akrazotile]

Its not 3MM. Its 13MM the Lakers save. Sorry but thats real money. The difference in salary is 5MM but the insurance is paying out on Okafor's contract at 80%. While this won't lower team salary for LAL (to get under the tax), it DOES save LAL 8MM. So the Lakers would get 13MM in player salary relief and get the tank moving a little faster. Thats a big deal too because right now they are tied for the 7/8 pick. Thats Saric/Vonleh/Harris area. If they are able to drop 2 games in the standings they drop to 3. Thats Wiggins/Jabari area. The difference is enormous.

If it makes Laker fans happy lets call it Pau and Vonleh for 13MM and Jabari Parker. Sounds much better no?

Well half of Pau's salary is already paid. His cap hit stays the same for the whole year, but the teams pays his salary as the year goes on. So the Lakers have already paid a portion of his salary. So it's not as if they save the entire difference in salary by trading for Pau.

I mean, either way, it's definitely a pretty penny by any standard. I can't see their incentive not to do it, unless Kobe tells them to. Because they do what Kobe wants since the fans worship Kobe more than the team. Kobe likes having a scapegoat around who the loyal kobe stans will blame for all the teams problems, ESPECIALLY when kobe is playin like chit.

[finchyyy]

I like the idea, it's refreshing to see teams actually go for it and try and improve in a major way. I think they should probably trade one of the 1sts as well as Okafor for something better if possible. But a straight Okafor for Gasol trade is pretty fair at the moment.

[longtime lurker]

If picks aren't coming back the other way then there's no point in the Lakers bothering to make this trade. You can kiss free agents good bye when you start trading players just to save money. That's what a cheap franchise would do, not the Lakers.

[Ancient Legend]

If picks aren't coming back the other way then there's no point in the Lakers bothering to make this trade. You can kiss free agents good bye when you start trading players just to save money. That's what a cheap franchise would do, not the Lakers.


Whether intentional or not, the Lakers are tanking like a cheap franchise.

[KobesFinger]

Does anyone know how long Okafor is out?

[nevetslc88]

Mike_Bresnahan: Main reason Lakers + Suns haven't agreed on Gasol trade: Lakers want better draft pick than Suns' current position (17th overall).

Mitch don't play.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Mitch don't play.


and they wonder why we have ultimate confidence in our front office

[KyrieTheFuture]

This is what we call "irrational confidence"

[gts]

If picks aren't coming back the other way then there's no point in the Lakers bothering to make this trade. You can kiss free agents good bye when you start trading players just to save money. That's what a cheap franchise would do, not the Lakers.

This people think saving money is a big deal to the Lakers.. it's not.



2 big things which people seem to happily ignore is does the trade get the Lakers below the tax cap.. this one doesn't so the only incentive is to get a draft pick back and if the Suns won't do that then maybe someone else will before the trade deadline and if they don't then Pau will be available to everyone next summer

also as a note everyone else telling me the total savings go back and read my post it says saves the Lakers about 3 million in taxes not total savings because the Lakers real goal is to get below the tax cap...

Lastly who cares about insurance and the rest that's just noise that has no bearing on why the Lakers would be willing to move Gasol

THEY WANT DRAFT PICKS so they can either draft somebody or more likely they can use them in a package for a player they do want

[All Net]

We don't need another topic on this