MJ gonna MJ..... new vid Wiz highlights

[andgar923]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBGyh-CmePk


Only Kobe, Melo, Pierce and perhaps KD come close to the level of skill and offensive refinement.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

the 4th 4th best player of all time:bowdown: :bowdown: :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Great vid. Guy was destroying all the 2000's "superstars". Love it. :applause:

[ImKobe]

Great vid. Guy was destroying all the 2000's "superstars". Love it. :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaKPHSEtRM

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

[QUOTE=The Immortal]de

[Marlo_Stanfield]

4th best player of all time showing that he still got it at age 39 and schooling some youngstars:pimp: :cheers:

[ImKobe]

At 40 y/o dude had EIGHT 40 point games including a 50 point masterpiece against a playoff team. All this while shooting better from midrange than your boy, String Bean. Yup, he KILLED it out there.

Vince Carter had to give up his ASG starting spot for MJ that year. Kobe also spanked him in their last meeting with 42 first half points and 55 total.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Vince Carter had to give up his ASG starting spot for MJ that year. Kobe also spanked him in their last meeting with 42 first half points and 55 total.

But what does that have to do with 40 y/o Jordan having EIGHT 40 point games including one 50 point game, while shooting better from midrange than Kobe? :confusedshrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4
Here is Mike "spanking" Kobe. He defended Jordan for a long stretch in the first half and as you can see, Mike torched him (:oldlol: at :25 and 1:35...dude might wanna call for a double-team).

[ImKobe]

But what does that have to do with 40 y/o Jordan having EIGHT 40 point games including one 50 point game, while shooting better from midrange than Kobe? :confusedshrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4
Here is Mike "spanking" Kobe. He defended Jordan for a long stretch in the first half and as you can see, Mike torched him (:oldlol: at :25 and 1:35...dude might wanna call for a double-team).

Dude what was MJ's TS% that season? 46,8%? :oldlol: and he only had 5 40+ point games in one season. You do realize he failed to shoot over 40% in half the games he played that season?

[ArbitraryWater]

I read somewhere that Jordan had like the 2nd worst 20 ppg season fg% wise? Impossible though.

Maybe it was TS% or some shit like that

I think AlphaWolf was the one saying it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dude what was MJ's TS% that season? 46,8%? :oldlol: and he only had 5 40+ point games in one season. You do realize he failed to shoot over 40% in half the games he played that season?

Actually, Wizards Jordan (39 / 40 years old) had EIGHT 40 point games and one 50 point game. Any thoughts on MJ torching Kobe in that video? :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

even 39 year old MJ still better than Kobe:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Actually, Wizards Jordan (39 / 40 years old) had EIGHT 40 point games and one 50 point game. Any thoughts on MJ torching Kobe in that video? :oldlol:

He joined the Wizards at 38, 5 of the 40+ point games he scored at 38 years old. :oldlol:

And about the video, Kobe still outscored MJ and had more rebounds & assists

[ImKobe]

even 39 year old MJ still better than Kobe:roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh yes, MJ had one good game against Kobe the season Kobe had 9 straight 40 point games and averaged 30 7 6 with 2 steals. Let's discount the game Kobe had later in the season, where he dropped 55 on MJ.

[ImKobe]

I read somewhere that Jordan had like the 2nd worst 20 ppg season fg% wise? Impossible though.

Maybe it was TS% or some shit like that

I think AlphaWolf was the one saying it.

His TS% was 46,8 in 2002 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He joined the Wizards at 38, 5 of the 40+ point games he scored at 38 years old. :oldlol:

And about the video, Kobe still outscored MJ and had more rebounds & assists

And? Those games all came within months (two at most) of him turning 39. It's Wizards Jordan. Dude was old as dirt. I fail to see your point.

Jordan had 25 on 64% shooting; Kobe had 27 on 38% shooting. Jordan also had more steals and his team won the game. KILLED IT. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

His TS% was 46,8 in 2002 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

In the 90's, Jordan was winning championships while Kobe was serving gatorade to Eddie Jones. Just sayin' :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

And? Those games all came within months (two at most) of him turning 39. It's Wizards Jordan. Dude was old as dirt. I fail to see your point.

Jordan had 25 on 64% shooting; Kobe had 27 on 38% shooting. Jordan also had more steals and his team won the game. KILLED IT. :applause:

And from the same season: Kobe had 55 points with 9-12 from 3(8 threes in the first half), MJ had 23 points on 20 shots, Lakers won the game. KILLED IT. :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

In the 90's, Jordan was winning championships while Kobe was serving gatorade to Eddie Jones. Just sayin' :confusedshrug:

Kobe won the NBA slam dunk competition at 18 and was an all-star at 19 years old, where was MJ at 19?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And from the same season: Kobe had 55 points with 9-12 from 3(8 threes in the first half), MJ had 23 points on 20 shots, Lakers won the game. KILLED IT. :bowdown:

That's right, but prime Kobe was ALSO significantly outplayed by a crusty 39 y/o Jordan.

[ArbitraryWater]

He joined the Wizards at 38, 5 of the 40+ point games he scored at 38 years old. :oldlol:

And about the video, Kobe still outscored MJ and had more rebounds & assists

2002 Jordan: (38-39 y/o)
5.7 reb, 5.2 ast

Kobe for Career:
5.3 reb, 4.8 ast

:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe won the NBA slam dunk competition at 18 and was an all-star at 19 years old, where was MJ at 19?

While still warming up Eddie Jones' seat on the bench? Nice. Jordan was busy winning an NCAA title at UNC, btw.

[ImKobe]

2002 Jordan: (38-39 y/o):
5.7 reb, 5.2 ast

Kobe for Career:
5.3 reb, 4.8 ast

:lol

MJ played on a lottery team and padded his stats every game. 46,8%TS, 41,6% FG :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ played on a lottery team and padded his stats every game. 46,8%TS, 41,6% FG :oldlol:


dat ugly

[ImKobe]

While still warming up Eddie Jones' seat on the bench? Nice. Jordan was busy winning an NCAA title at UNC, btw.

NCAA :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

NCAA :oldlol:

Yeah, collegiate sports are soooooo hilarious.

Here's Jordan teaching "all star" 19 y/o Kobe how to become a starter in the big leagues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ played on a lottery team and padded his stats every game. 46,8%TS, 41,6% FG :oldlol:

Kobe shot 42% in the 90's, before the lockout. No 40 point games, no 50 point games, and playing the beta role next to Eddie "alpha" Jones. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Yeah, collegiate sports are soooooo hilarious.

Here's Jordan teaching "all star" 19 y/o Kobe how to become a starter in the big leagues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs

19 year old Kobe dropped 33 points on 60% shooting on MJ and Pippen @ Chicago :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8

[ImKobe]

Kobe shot 42% in the 90's, before the lockout. No 40 point games, no 50 point games, and playing the beta role next to Eddie "alpha" Jones. :oldlol:

Kobe came into the league as a prospect, they weren't willing to give him legit playing time until 98. Kobe played his way from a bench warmer to a superstar in 4 seasons.

MJ entered the league at 21, Kobe already won a title at 21 with some big time performances in Game 7 of the WCF and Game 4 of the Finals.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

19 year old Kobe dropped 33 points on 60% shooting on MJ and Pippen @ Chicago :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8

Yeah I remember that. Wasn't it the same game, Jordan outscored/played and beat Kobe and the Lakers? KILLED it. :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

19 year old Kobe dropped 33 points on 60% shooting on MJ and Pippen @ Chicago :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8

Most of that is garbage time though, back then that was the time when Kobe was allowed to get on the court and Eddie Jones got foot massages and drank his gatorade n shit

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe came into the league as a prospect, they weren't willing to give him legit playing time until 98. Kobe played his way from a bench warmer to a superstar in 4 seasons.

MJ entered the league at 21, Kobe already won a title at 21 with some big time performances in Game 7 of the WCF and Game 4 of the Finals.

1999-2000 Kobe (21 y/o) 4th year in the league
vs.
1984-1985 Mike (21 y/o) 1st year in the league

Who's better?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe came into the league as a prospect, they weren't willing to give him legit playing time until 98. Kobe played his way from a bench warmer to a superstar in 4 seasons.

MJ entered the league at 21, Kobe already won a title at 21 with some big time performances in Game 7 of the WCF and Game 4 of the Finals.

So what you're saying is, Kobe wasn't good enough to crack an NBA's starting lineup in the 90's? Got it.

Jordan never got carried by Shaq, btw. Kobe was a beta for half of his career. Maybe longer, depending how you rate Lebron and Wade.

[ArbitraryWater]

So what you're saying is, Kobe wasn't good enough to crack an NBA's starting lineup in the 90's? Got it.

Jordan never got carried by Shaq. Kobe was a beta for half of his career. Maybe even his entire career, depending where you rate Gasol.

Fixed

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron>MJ>>Kobe:roll: :roll: :applause:

[ImKobe]

Yeah I remember that. Wasn't it the same game, Jordan outscored/played and beat Kobe and the Lakers? KILLED it. :applause:

Kobe was 19 years old and in his 2nd season, yet dropped 33 with MJ and Pippen guarding him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdBhfiwlRQY

a young Kobe held his own against MJ 1 v 1, contesting his fadeaways and he even blocked some of them. MJ didn't even see prime Kobe.

Obviously MJ is the GOAT and everything, but don't try to take anything away from Kobe, 1 v 1 he could hang with Jordan and even MJ said Kobe could beat him.

[CavaliersFTW]

Highlights? :rolleyes: You can make Kwame Brown look better than prime Shaq with highlights highlights mean absolutely nothing

trolololol

[dr.hee]

Nice. Thread about Wizards Jordan? Let's talk about Kobe. Those stan fakkits :facepalm

Anyway...sucks that MJ had to join the Wizards instead of a team with real chances.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe was 19 years old and in his 2nd season, yet dropped 33 with MJ and Pippen guarding him.

Yes, with most of his points coming in garbage time. Jordan still outscored/played and beat Kobe and Shaq's Lakers.


Obviously MJ is the GOAT and everything

Thanks for playing. :pimp:

[ImKobe]

So what you're saying is, Kobe wasn't good enough to crack an NBA's starting lineup in the 90's? Got it.

Jordan never got carried by Shaq, btw. Kobe was a beta for half of his career. Maybe longer, depending how you rate Lebron and Wade.

So, your arguments aren't based on facts, what a surprise. Kobe was a "beta" until he became the best player on his team, which was 2003. Shaq couldn't take the Heat so they had to trade him, Kobe followed it up by 3 Finals appearances and 2 rings.


Kobe: 5
Shaq: 4
Wade: 3
Lebron: 2

[ArbitraryWater]

Highlights? :rolleyes: You can make Kwame Brown look better than prime Shaq with highlights highlights mean absolutely nothing

trolololol

This better be sarcasm?

If not: LMFAO you are aware that's all we have of Wilt&All you do anyway.

Still, you're right.

[CavaliersFTW]

This better be sarcasm?

If not: LMFAO you are aware that's all we have of Wilt&All you do anyway.

Still, you're right.
:D

[ImKobe]

Nice. Thread about Wizards Jordan? Let's talk about Kobe. Those stan fakkits :facepalm

Anyway...sucks that MJ had to join the Wizards instead of a team with real chances.

It was more about how overrated Wizards Jordan was. If he played on a legit contender he would have been a 2nd option to a superstar like Duncan or KG.

OP makes it sound like MJ was destroying everyone, he maybe had 30-40 legit games combined in those two seasons. MJ was a cancer in Washington. It was only about promoting the Jordan brand.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So, your arguments aren't based on facts

Was Kobe not a benchwarmer his first 2-3 seasons? Was he not Shaq's sidekick for, what, Shaq's entire stay with the Lakers? Do Lebron and Wade not have a case for being "better"? Sorry those are all facts, man.

Look, its OK being beta. I mean, peep Scottie Pippen. Dude has 6 "rangz". :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Was Kobe not a benchwarmer his first 2-3 seasons? Was he not Shaq's sidekick for, what, Shaq's entire stay with the Lakers? Do Lebron and Wade not have a case for being "better"? Sorry those are all facts, man.

Look, its OK being beta. I mean, peep Scottie Pippen. Dude has 6 "rangz". :confusedshrug:

How does Wade have a case? Less NBA titles, Finals MVPs, regular season MVPs, not to mention averaging 15 ppg in the Playoffs at 31 years old :oldlol:

Lebron only tied Kobe in Finals MVPs and has more MVPs, still 3 rings short, sorry.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How does Wade have a case? Less NBA titles, Finals MVPs, regular season MVPs, not to mention averaging 15 ppg in the Playoffs at 31 years old :oldlol:

Lebron only tied Kobe in Finals MVPs and has more MVPs, still 3 rings short, sorry.

On an all-time scale? None. Guy didn't have the luxury of playing next to peak Shaq, the MDE. However, Wade has won more chips in the last decade and has the same career average, numbers wise, to Kobe. From 2004-2014, he (Wade) certainly has a case for being better.

[ImKobe]

And lol at this pathetic troll bringing up Scottie Pippen out of all people. Kobe owned Pippen in the 2000 WCF, crossed him up and threw the alley-oop to Shaq to seal their first trip to the Finals.

[CeltsGarlic]

amazing.. MJ is MJ no matter what. Legend.

[dr.hee]

OP makes it sound like MJ was destroying everyone

Really? Here's the only post by OP so far...


Only Kobe, Melo, Pierce and perhaps KD come close to the level of skill and offensive refinement.

Where exactly does he say that MJ was destroying everyone? Or only imply it?


Maybe you're brain damaged though :confusedshrug:

But at least you've found a way to suck the metaphorical d!ck of your hero. Congrats. Do you bring up your idol in real life conversations as well, or is ISH a way for you to get that sexual desire out of your system in order to function at least semi decent in your normal life?

Shows that you don't give a flying f*ck about basketball. Only riding the c*ck of your hero.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And lol at this pathetic troll bringing up Scottie Pippen out of all people. Kobe owned Pippen in the 2000 WCF, crossed him up and threw the alley-oop to Shaq to seal their first trip to the Finals.

You're upset. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings man. FYI, Pippen has more "rangz" doe...

[ArbitraryWater]

Really? Here's the only post by OP so far...



Where exactly does he say that MJ was destroying everyone? Or only imply it?


Maybe you're brain damaged though :confusedshrug:


LMFAOO :lol

"OP makes it seem like MJ destroyed everyone"

Hm lets check OP... wait wut? :biggums: :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

On an all-time scale? None. Dude didn't have the luxary of playing next to peak Shaq. However, dude has won more title in the last decade and has the same career average, numbers wise, to Kobe. Wade certainly has a case for being better from 2004-2014.

Sorry, there's 0 argument for Wade in the last 10 years, especially when a 34 yr old Kobe was better than a 31 yr old Wade last season.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sorry, there's 0 argument for Wade in the last 10 years, especially when a 34 yr old Kobe was better than a 31 yr old Wade last season.

Wade was better than Kobe ever was in 2009. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

LMFAOO :lol

"OP makes it seem like MJ destroyed everyone"

Hm lets check OP... wait wut? :biggums: :oldlol:

My bad, I forgot the Kuniva troll wasn't the OP

[dr.hee]

My bad, I forgot the Kuniva troll wasn't the OP

Yeah, I know you're a simpleton. With, I don't know...10+ posts about Kobe in a MJ highlight thread already? Dumb as a brick, lol.

[ImKobe]

Wade was better than Kobe ever was in 2009. :confusedshrug:

2009? You mean the same year that Wade lost in the first round against the shitty Hawks while Kobe won the FMVP, averaging 32 ppg 8 apg(first time someone put up those numbers in the Finals since MJ in 91) in the Finals? :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Yeah, I know you're a simpleton.

Do you have anything basketball related to discuss? If not, don't bother replying to me :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Great vid. Guy was destroying all the 2000's "superstars". Love it. :applause:
:applause:

Great video. Added to favorites.

[dr.hee]

Do you have anything basketball related to discuss? If not, don't bother replying to me :oldlol:

Do you realize the gratification you're getting from sucking Kobe's d!ck is all in your mind? By propping up your hero, your personal status doesn't change one bit. Something most d!ckriders seem to forget when they're arguing their hero vs. another player. Are you really that weak minded? Surely you know better.
Amazing how some people's self worth is entirely depending of the rank of their hero on an imaginary all time list...

[ImKobe]

Do you realize the gratification you're getting from sucking Kobe's d!ck is all in your mind? By propping up your hero, your personal status doesn't change one bit. Something most d!ckriders seem to forget when they're arguing their hero over another player. Are you really that weak minded? Surely you know better.
Amazing how some people's self worth is entirely depending of the rank of their hero on an imaginary all time list :oldlol:

Like I said, if it's not basketball related, don't bother.

Why do you care so much about me? I'm here to discuss basketball. Not once did I say that Kobe > MJ, I merely made my case about Kobe holding his own against the GOAT. What's the big deal?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron wouldnt let Wizards MJ even get a shot off:facepalm

[ImKobe]

LeBron wouldnt let Wizards MJ even get a shot off:facepalm

But he let Jason Terry drop a 3 in his face in the Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y

[dr.hee]

Like I said, if it's not basketball related, don't bother.

Why do you care so much about me? I'm here to discuss basketball. Not once did I say that Kobe > MJ, I merely made my case about Kobe holding his own against the GOAT. What's the big deal?

You aren't here to discuss basketball. You're here to discuss your hero, who happens to be a basketball player. Your basketball talk is just as deep as some 14 year old Bieber fan girlies "discussing music".

But I see that you're taking great pride in being proud of the achievements of a guy you've never even met. So no offense :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

But he let Jason Terry drop a 3 in his face in the Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

You aren't here to discuss basketball. You're here to discuss your hero, who happens to be a basketball player. Your basketball talk is just as deep as some 14 year old Bieber fan girlies "discussing music".

But I see that you're taking great pride in being proud of the achievements of a guy you've never even met. So no offense :cheers:

And yet again you replied with nothing related to the game of basketball. It shows you have nothing important to say to me. Why bother? Move on.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

But he let Jason Terry drop a 3 in his face in the Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y
low percentage shot. and remember Jordan couldnt shoot threes:roll: :roll: :applause:

[ImKobe]

low percentage shot. and remember Jordan couldnt shoot threes:roll: :roll: :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDNxhFCXPs

[SamuraiSWISH]

low percentage shot. and remember Jordan couldnt shoot threes:roll: :roll: :applause:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2632555/marion-call-lebron-bitch-o.gif

And MJ isn't going to get his? Even at 39 or 40?

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDNxhFCXPs

Is this supposed to imply he could shoot 3's? Could you stop trolling for a second? Like you saying "Kobe owned Pippen in 2000, crossed him and threw an alley oop..."


...

[dr.hee]

And yet again you replied with nothing related to the game of basketball. It shows you have nothing important to say to me. Why bother? Move on.

So...in response to me talking about your reasons for posting on this site, you're telling me it's not related to the game of basketball? Thanks for proving my point :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2009? You mean the same year that Wade lost in the first round against the shitty Hawks while Kobe won the FMVP, averaging 32 ppg 8 apg(first time someone put up those numbers in the Finals since MJ in 91) in the Finals? :oldlol:

No, the same year Kobe had Gasol, an elite big man. You know the deal. Kobe cant win without an elite big man. Wade did it without one in 2006. :pimp:

[ImKobe]

Is this supposed to imply he could shoot 3's? Could you stop trolling for a second?

He could shoot the 3, but it was not an efficient shot for him. The man was one of the greatest mid-range shooters ever, you really think he couldn't shoot from 3? He had 2 seasons, where he shot above 42% from 3, just saying.

And that clip represents the 1992 Finals Game, where he made 6 threes.

[ImKobe]

No, the same year Kobe had Gasol, an elite big man. You know the deal. Kobe cant win without an elite big man. Wade did it without one in 2006. :pimp:

Shaq wasn't on the Heat in 2006? :oldlol: Pretty sure he put up 20 ppg 9 rpg on 60% FG that season and 18 and 10 in the Playoffs, Gasol put up 19 and 10 in 2009 in the regular season and 18 and 11 in the Playoffs, seems like Wade also did it with an elite big man. :oldlol:

[r0drig0lac]

But he let Jason Terry drop a 3 in his face in the Finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y
:bowdown: :applause:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2632555/marion-call-lebron-bitch-o.gif

And MJ isn't going to get his? Even at 39 or 40?

:oldlol:
no he wouldnt. are u high or something??MArion is way bigger and was more athletic than Jordan at age 39:roll: :roll: :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq wasn't on the Heat in 2006? :oldlol: Pretty sure he put up 20 ppg 9 rpg on 60% FG that season and 18 and 10 in the Playoffs, Gasol put up 19 and 10 in 2009 in the regular season and 18 and 11 in the Playoffs, seems like Wade also did it with an elite big man. :oldlol:

Actually, Gasol was closer to Kobe (via winshares, PER and all advanced metrics) than Shaq (who averaged 13ppg in the finals) was to Wade. Especially in the post-season. FACTS!

[ImKobe]

Gasol was closer to Kobe (via win-shares, PER and all advanced metrics) than Shaq was to Wade. Especially in the post-season. FACTS!

2009 you have no argument

2010 is close, but Kobe played on one leg and still had one of the greatest series for an individual player in the WCF, so there's that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ITT: Over or under 10 seasons (behind Shaq and versus Wade/Lebron), Kobe was a beta?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Wow, this is an amazing video with many VERY rare Wiz highlights. At 2:18 you can see MJ do the Kobe "reverse pivot" move (he also did this a few times as a Bull). There will never be anyone better.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe was 19 years old and in his 2nd season, yet dropped 33 with MJ and Pippen guarding him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdBhfiwlRQY

a young Kobe held his own against MJ 1 v 1, contesting his fadeaways and he even blocked some of them. MJ didn't even see prime Kobe.

Obviously MJ is the GOAT and everything, but don't try to take anything away from Kobe, 1 v 1 he could hang with Jordan and even MJ said Kobe could beat him.

He had 7-8 points through 3 quarters while MJ guarded him (2 baskets and some FT's). He had 16 points total after 3 quarters and then MJ went to the bench for the rest of the game in a Bulls blowout win, and Kobe scored 17 in the 4th against Jud Buechler and the rest of the Bulls bench scrubs. Big deal.

[ImKobe]

ITT: Over or under 10 seasons (behind Shaq and versus Wade/Lebron), Kobe was a beta?

Kobe was a "beta" from 96-2000, he's been an "alpha" since then.

[ImKobe]

Wow, this is an amazing video with many VERY rare Wiz highlights. At 2:18 you can see MJ do the Kobe "reverse pivot" move (he also did this a few times as a Bull). There will never be anyone better.

Agreed. There won't be another player as gifted as MJ.

[ImKobe]

He had 7-8 points through 3 quarters while MJ guarded him (2 baskets and some FT's). He had 16 points total after 3 quarters and then MJ went to the bench for the rest of the game in a Bulls blowout win, and Kobe scored 17 in the 4th against Jud Buechler and the rest of the Bulls bench scrubs. Big deal.

See, this is how you construct an argument. :applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Agreed. There won't be another player as gifted as MJ.
Never a player as gifted and skilled and tenacious and intelligent is what you really mean. He was the perfect storm. It wasn't exclusively god given gifts. Hard work, most skilled, in combination with insane athleticism and mental toughness.


He had 7-8 points through 3 quarters while MJ guarded him (2 baskets and some FT's). He had 16 points total after 3 quarters and then MJ went to the bench for the rest of the game in a Bulls blowout win, and Kobe scored 17 in the 4th against Jud Buechler and the rest of the Bulls bench scrubs. Big deal.
:applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

See, this is how you construct an argument. :applause:

Posters already explained to you MANY of his points that game, came in garbage time. Guess "Dr. Hee" was right. You really are brain damaged. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Posters already explained to you MANY of his points that game, came in garbage time. Guess "Dr. Hee" was right. You really are brain damaged. :oldlol:

And?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And?

And what? Are you retarded?

[ImKobe]

And what? Are you retarded?

What does that have to do with this thread? I'm here to discuss basketball. Why do you care so much about me? :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What does that have to do with this thread? I'm here to discuss basketball. Why do you care so much about me? :facepalm

What does you co-signing a post that was literally said pages ago, one that you cried about, have to with the thread?!? Is that a rhetorical question?

[ABfor3]

What does that have to do with this thread? I'm here to discuss basketball. Why do you care so much about me? :facepalm
This thread was to talk about Michael Jordan on the Wizards, to simply admire what a 38-40 year old jordan could do in the league..instead you come in here with your Kobe Bryant agenda..just stop. Kobe is just a Michael Jordan wannabe, and hes admitted it multiple times.

[ImKobe]

What does you co-signing a post that was literally said pages ago, one that you cried about, have to with the thread?!?! Is that a rhetorical question?

:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:facepalm

I've been doing that since your first post :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

This thread was to talk about Michael Jordan on the Wizards, to simply admire what a 38-40 year old jordan could do in the league..instead you come in here with your Kobe Bryant agenda..just stop. Kobe is just a Michael Jordan wannabe, and hes admitted it multiple times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Epu-7ITO4

:facepalm

2:07

"Let ME do ME"

"Michael is Michael, let me be me"

[ImKobe]

I've been doing that since your first post :oldlol:

Yet you're still replying to a retard, shows how smart you are :facepalm .

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yet you're still replying to a retard

Ayyy, I don't discriminate :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Epu-7ITO4

:facepalm

2:07

"Let ME do ME"

"Michael is Michael, let me be me"
Contradiction, just like saying Magic was his favorite player. He says let me be, but then goes on to imitate classic Jordan moments, mannerisms, his game, his mentality. Just admit he's MJs kid brother. The cover band version. He's not unique. I say that as someone who respects him and even enjoys his play.

[SHAQisGOAT]

:bowdown:

If he was at his best and healthy he would absolutely destroy the whole league.

[LoneyROY7]

40 year old MJ would be a top 3 SG in the NBA right now...that's how sad the SG position is at the moment.

[andgar923]

People want to point to MJ's TS% during the Wiz years, but fail to realize that not only was he playing with 'multiple' injuries, he was carrying a team logging more minutes that he was originally intended to play, which took a toll on his body.

So his TS% isn't indicative of him underperforming or not being up to par, but the mileage and injuries taking away from his efficiency.

If people actually saw him play during that time, they'd see that a rested MJ was night and day and dropping mid 20s by the half on a consistent basis.

The zone didn't stop him, the 'modern day defenders' didn't stop him, the so called "advanced defensive schemes" didn't stop him.. it was ultimately injuries and father time.

Based on what we saw of a relatively rested (although still with multiple injuries), it's safe to assume that a 'prime' MJ would be dropping 30 points by half on a damn near average basis.

Naturally some will come in and say Im pulling shit outta my ass. But go back and check the games (entire games) when he was rested. He was dropping mid 20s with consistency.

[andgar923]

But the main reason I posted this link is to show people the 'skill' and offensive refinement. How he reads the defense quickly and reacts seamlessly.

Footwork, balance, court vision, IQ, timing, and an array of options offensively. Small things like the way he uses screens to set up the defender. How he uses his footwork to elude them, how he works the middle of the floor, his patience in the post and knowing how to re-post, his strength down in the paint. Hell, we even see how explosive his first step is even tho he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be.

One important thing to notice is how he gets his shot off over defenders. He was making many shots over defenders as an old man, and even the ones that he'd miss were relatively clean looks. Most of this is attributed to the separation he got from his defender.

Again... prime MJ in today'e era would cause rules to be changed.

[Nevaeh]

People want to point to MJ's TS% during the Wiz years, but fail to realize that not only was he playing with 'multiple' injuries, he was carrying a team logging more minutes that he was originally intended to play, which took a toll on his body.

So his TS% isn't indicative of him underperforming or not being up to par, but the mileage and injuries taking away from his efficiency.

If people actually saw him play during that time, they'd see that a rested MJ was night and day and dropping mid 20s by the half on a consistent basis.

The zone didn't stop him, the 'modern day defenders' didn't stop him, the so called "advanced defensive schemes" didn't stop him.. it was ultimately injuries and father time.

Based on what we saw of a relatively rested (although still with multiple injuries), it's safe to assume that a 'prime' MJ would be dropping 30 points by half on a damn near average basis.

Naturally some will come in and say Im pulling shit outta my ass. But go back and check the games (entire games) when he was rested. He was dropping mid 20s with consistency.


I remember the big issue that announcers were making was how he'd have a great game, followed by a subpar game, etc. This was due to age and injuries of course, but the main culprit was him taking that body shot to the ribs from Artest early on during his comeback. We're already witnessing how tough it is for players to bounce back from injuries, who are both younger, and with less of a team load to carry than MJ had back then.

[Nevaeh]

But the main reason I posted this link is to show people the 'skill' and offensive refinement. How he reads the defense quickly and reacts seamlessly.

Footwork, balance, court vision, IQ, timing, and an array of options offensively. Small things like the way he uses screens to set up the defender. How he uses his footwork to elude them, how he works the middle of the floor, his patience in the post and knowing how to re-post, his strength down in the paint. Hell, we even see how explosive his first step is even tho he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be.

One important thing to notice is how he gets his shot off over defenders. He was making many shots over defenders as an old man, and even the ones that he'd miss were relatively clean looks. Most of this is attributed to the separation he got from his defender.

Again... prime MJ in today'e era would cause rules to be changed.

Not stalking your posts at all andgar, but the thing that stood out to me was how MJ had a bit more "bounce" in his step, compared to his later Bulls years. You can tell that he was trying to "send a message" with his new style, but his body just wouldn't let him do it consistently enough.

He had all of the tools mentally, but you can tell that it was pretty much "wrap up" time for this phase of his life. It was kinda like watching the third movie in a trilogy, meaning the intent to make it great is there, but the execution (team chemistry, coaching, age gaps with certain players etc.) was just lacking.

[Warfan]

GOAT gonna GOAT :pimp:

[riseagainst]

anyone can take highlights from anyone and make them look like the GOAT. MJ is the GOAT. But if you suggest 38/39 year old MJ was better than prime Kobe or even Kobe during those years then you are a troll and a fakkit.

[Angel Face]

Old man MJ schooling them. GOAT! :bowdown:

[Darius]

Real talk, Wizards MJ looked better than post injury Kobe.

[ivienthol]

Artest said he broke MJ's rib before he made his Wizards comeback. He said he was balling a lot better than what we ended up seeing. Still for a 38-40 year old on a shitty team with a broken rib he was doing impressive stuff.

[moe94]

Real talk, Wizards MJ looked better than post injury Kobe.

No question.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Marion got killed in that video. Jordan's allstar shot was over him too.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

MAgic>Jordan imo.
what he did in only eleven years was incredible
9 finals appearances:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jacks3]

Wizard Jordan was the most inefficient scorer in history. Why would anybody want to watch highlights of that ?


*waits for somebody to bring up Bryant*

[Calabis]

Kobe won the NBA slam dunk competition at 18 and was an all-star at 19 years old, where was MJ at 19?

In college with a Chip and a sporting news player of ther year....if u think Jordan couldn't have came in and avg 7 pts a game with Shaq u are definitely a moron. Jordan rookie year with no NBA exp, bettef than all star Kobe with three years NBA exp :lol

[riseagainst]

MAgic>Jordan imo.
what he did in only eleven years was incredible
9 finals appearances:bowdown: :bowdown:

sure. But MJ still >> Lebron.

[ImKobe]

In college with a Chip and a sporting news player of ther year....if u think Jordan couldn't have came in and avg 7 pts a game with Shaq u are definitely a moron. Jordan rookie year with no NBA exp, bettef than all star Kobe with three years NBA exp :lol

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

And I thought Lebron stans were insecure

Like I said, MJ is the GOAT.

[Round Mound]

Its Incredible How Athletic, Quick, Fast, Strong etc Jordan is at Ages 38.5-40. :bowdown:

[absalom]

We are not worthy. :bowdown:

[Vienceslav]

Young bloods.

[jzek]

Unanimous GOAT

[Ancient Legend]

40 year old MJ was schooling Kirilenko, Bruce Bowen, Paul Pierce, Shawn Marion & Kobe.

http://puu.sh/1JlA8

[jongib369]

40 year old MJ was schooling Kirilenko, Bruce Bowen, Paul Pierce, Shawn Marion & Kobe.

http://puu.sh/1JlA8


:roll:

[Calabis]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

And I thought Lebron stans were insecure

Like I said, MJ is the GOAT.

Not insecure at all..Kobe is a top 10 GOAT...but this retarded Kobe was in the NBA riding the bench behind Eddie Jones at 18.....what was Jordan doing? crap Kobestans pull out there asses is incredible.

Mfer was 38-40 in those highlights after a retirement with busted ass knees. Its comical how people are trying to shit on the guy for showing up these new hybrid defenders(Kobestans claim anyway) without any lift, burst and well past his best days.

Like I said before, I don't know how the youth has become so ignorant. Its like I ask myself do they or have they ever played any basketball in their lives. How many courts have they been too where a older guy is still hanging with the youth that is on the court. "Old man still got game" yet somehow that can't process that he was probably a whole lot better at 22-25.

[RedBlackAttack]

I saw him play live in Cleveland during his last year with the Wizards. He was still far and away the best player on the floor. This was before HD television where you can basically see the whole side of the floor and track every players' movement.

Jordan had no wasted movement, ever. There was a purpose to every cut and reposition, regardless of where the ball was. It was like watching a master chef cook a meal.

He got a standing ovation that night... his last game in Cleveland. After all the heartbreak he gave this city, that is what you call respect. Much deserved. I was among those on their feet, too... Proud to be able to say I watched him play with my own two eyes.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Mfer was 38-40 in those highlights after a retirement with busted ass knees. Its comical how people are trying to shit on the guy for showing up these new hybrid defenders(Kobestans claim anyway) without any lift, burst and well past his best days.
Precisely.


but the thing that stood out to me was how MJ had a bit more "bounce" in his step, compared to his later Bulls years. You can tell that he was trying to "send a message" with his new style, but his body just wouldn't let him do it consistently enough.
Care to elaborate on that ...

By bounce do you mean excitement of taking on a new generation of stars whom he never proved himself against? In his book about his Wizards years he seemed really edgy. Had the curse of his competitiveness haunting him about wanting to take on the current crop of stars that rose up while he was retired for 3 years. Because physically he was by all means obviously slower, and less capable version of even his last years on the Bulls.

By bounce do you mean like you feel he was more relaxed in his later Bulls years on an individual level given his status amongst his peers?

In many of those clips we see MJ abusing AK47, Brue Bowen, Paul Pierce making them look totally stupid with footwork, ball handling, positioning. No wonder even though he only faced an old Jordan, Bowen always professed he was the best player he ever had to guard.


He had all of the tools mentally, but you can tell that it was pretty much "wrap up" time for this phase of his life. It was kinda like watching the third movie in a trilogy, meaning the intent to make it great is there, but the execution (team chemistry, coaching, age gaps with certain players etc.) was just lacking.
Nice analogy. Wizards MJ is like the Batman in TDK Rises.