Indisputable Proof Thread

[MMM]

The debate has been ragging for a decade but i think we have enough proof to put it to bed. I'm not going to lie the Stans on both sides have been able to keep the debate from going stale but fatigue is starting to set in. Just in the last few days the site witnessed indisputable proof of legendary stans takin L, getting banned, etc.

I think it is time to post my proof. Just for those that are confused to what proof is just follow this definition;

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU)

As for the proof
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif

When you need clutch players to bail you out it points to how clutch you are in letting your teammates carry.

I was finally willing to give Bran the nod over Kobe but then all these moments flooded back.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/2461273_o.gif
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2907417/artest3.gif
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Robert%20Horry/z%20GIFs/2002WCF2.gif

Honourable mention Fisher in game 4 in 2010

All indisputable proof that Kobe is greater at getting carried by clutch players. :applause: :applause: :applause:

In a season that lack Kobe we can really appreciate his getting carried heroics. He is definitely the GOAT in getting carried by others.

This aint a troll thread just indisputable proof.

[maybeshewill13]

OP is a flamboyant nancy.

[JohnFreeman]

http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/8/8e/900x900px-LL-8e2f7cc0_clint-eastwood-nodding.gif

[KobesFinger]

Difference between them: Had Ray Allen missed, the Spurs would've won the title

The Derek Fisher 0.4 shot was in Game 5 tied at 2-2
The Lakers were already up when Artest hit the 3
The Horry 3 was in G4. The Lakers would've lost the game, not the series

[rip2]

the kobe ones- if all of them missed, does that GUARANTEE that Lakers DROP OUT immediately and lose?
Answer? No.

The Ray Allen shot, what happens if he misses? You tell me.

Game over. Next.

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe > bran
mj > bran
timmy d > bran
shaq > bran
hakeem > bran
barkley > bran
wade > bran
dirk > bran
kareem > bran
magic > bran
bird > bran
me > bran

[Warfan]

the kobe ones- if all of them missed, does that GUARANTEE that Lakers DROP OUT immediately and lose?
Answer? No.

The Ray Allen shot, what happens if he misses? You tell me.

Game over. Next.

Offensive rebound and kick out to open LeBron for game-tying 3

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/131217224801-shot-ehrman-single-image-cut.jpg

[MMM]

the kobe ones- if all of them missed, does that GUARANTEE that Lakers DROP OUT immediately and lose?
Answer? No.

The Ray Allen shot, what happens if he misses? You tell me.

Game over. Next.

Interesting but not indisputable :facepalm
please stick to providing indisputable proof which are proven.

[MMM]

mj > bran + Kobe
timmy d > bran + Kobe
shaq > bran + Kobe
hakeem > bran + Kobe
barkley > bran + Kobe
wade > bran + Kobe
dirk > bran + Kobe
kareem > bran + Kobe
magic > bran + Kobe
bird > bran + Kobe


I can't dispute this
I would also add Malone, Stockton, KG, West, Hondo, etc.

[SpaceJammeR]

lol kobe stans in denial. now i know why they try to convince themselves that lebron is a choker and was saved by jesus.

[maybeshewill13]

lol kobe stans in denial. now i know why they try to convince themselves that lebron is a choker and was saved by jesus.
http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

[rip2]

Offensive rebound and kick out to open LeBron for game-tying 3

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/131217224801-shot-ehrman-single-image-cut.jpg
and then a lebron brick? :roll:


Interesting but not indisputable :facepalm
please stick to providing indisputable proof which are proven.
Nope. Indisputable proof.
If none of those kobe teammate's shots went in, he wouldn't have lost the series.

That single Ray Allen shot, had it missed, would have the Spurs champions. That's a huge difference. You're basically comparing a series winning shot to a single game winning shot.

Try harder next time. I can see you're new in this game.

[MMM]

and then a lebron brick? :roll:


Nope. Indisputable proof.
If none of those kobe teammate's shots went in, he wouldn't have lost the series.

No doubt Lakers lose those series. Heck we can't forget Ariza in 09, somehow he learned how to hit threes for a few months to bail out Kobe.

[rip2]

No doubt Lakers lose those series. Heck we can't forget Ariza in 09, somehow he learned how to hit threes for a few months to bail out Kobe.
Pure speculation. Let's talk indisputable proof please. After any of those misses, there were plenty of game to be played. What will happen next we will never know.

If Ray Allen missed that specific shot, Heat were done.

No speculation and putting in what you want to imagine. You tried to play it like your not a stan, but you've basically just revealed yourself to be another lebron stan :oldlol:

[MMM]

Pure speculation. Let's talk indisputable proof please. After any of those misses, there were plenty of game to be played. What will happen next we will never know.

If Ray Allen missed that specific shot, Heat were done.

No speculation and putting in what you want to imagine. You tried to play it like your not a stan, but you've basically just revealed yourself to be another lebron stan :oldlol:

:biggums:

If Kobe's clutch role players aint hitting shots then I can't see how he survives. I can't dispute Kobe's talent but he did brick a layup and airball a 3 to get carried. That is some GOAT instincts

[JohnFreeman]

Didn't Brian Shaw hit a huge three against Portland? 2000?

[rip2]

:biggums:

If Kobe's clutch role players aint hitting shots then I can't see how he survives. I can't dispute Kobe's talent but he did brick a layup and airball a 3 to get carried. That is some GOAT instincts
I'm talking about direct aftermath of those shots. Any of those laker misses? Kobe and the Lakers still got another game to play.

If Ray missed? You get the point.

Everything you're talking about is speculation, ironic since you named this thread indisputable proof. The only indisputable proof is that Heat would have lost had Ray missed, and Kobe would still have plenty of chances after those missed shots. Take the L and move on, you're not made for this.

[MMM]

Sorry but the proof is proven. Kobe consistently got carried to his greatness. No shame in that, even the GOAT got bailed out by Paxon and Karr,Russell by Hondo, etc.

LeBron is just a recent example, but got to give Kobe credit. Throughout his career he unselfishly allowed his teammates get the clutch glory and left very little for himself. His dedicated fan base must be upset of the lack of non carried clutch moments in the playoffs.

[Wally450]

That third gif kills me to watch.

[MMM]

That third gif kills me to watch.

Hurt me just posting that
Was legit in a month funk after that game.
Didn't talk much watched ST Voyager and Deep Space 9.

[NumberSix]

Proof = troof.

[6 for 24]

This is an interesting, albeit misguided topic.

The undisputed truth is that Kobe is the greatest chucker of all time, but, alas, there have been occasions-- mostly in his younger years, mind you-- when other players on his team were credited with the glory. In each of these cases, there were extenuating circumstances. For example, Kobe surely would have taken (and possibly made) the famous "0.4" shot but, if you'll recall, his name was being slandered in the media due to the Kate Faber incident, and David Stern did not want the self-proclaimed rapist as the image for the NBA. So, in a rare display of obedience, Kobe elected to give Fisher the credit.

In other cases, the answer is more straightforward. When Horry made his remarkable shot in the '02 WCF, that was off a "Kobe assist"-- Kobe was doing what he does best-- chucking the ball, and the richochet happened to go to Horry this time. In my book, that is still a successful chuck. There are countless examples of this over time.

Hopefully you understand now!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[riseagainst]

OP is really stupid.

[sportjames23]

Sorry but the proof is proven. Kobe consistently got carried to his greatness. No shame in that, even the GOAT got bailed out by Paxon and Karr,Russell by Hondo, etc.

LeBron is just a recent example, but got to give Kobe credit. Throughout his career he unselfishly allowed his teammates get the clutch glory and left very little for himself. His dedicated fan base must be upset of the lack of non carried clutch moments in the playoffs.


LOL, no.

The Bulls were still ahead in 93 vs the Suns in Game 6. They still had another game to beat the Suns. And if anything, MJ carried the Bulls in the 4th quarter of Game 6, as he was the only Bulls player to score (9 points) in the 4th until Pax hit that shot.

And as far as Kerr goes, MJ told him he was gonna hit him for the open shot if he got doubled. Plus, that was a tie game at that point. Also, Game 6. Bulls weren't in danger of losing the series.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Offensive rebound and kick out to open LeBron for game-tying 3

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/131217224801-shot-ehrman-single-image-cut.jpg
see how LeBron is wildly demanding the ball?? he would have hit the shot too:pimp:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

This is an interesting, albeit misguided topic.

The undisputed truth is that Kobe is the greatest chucker of all time, but, alas, there have been occasions-- mostly in his younger years, mind you-- when other players on his team were credited with the glory. In each of these cases, there were extenuating circumstances. For example, Kobe surely would have taken (and possibly made) the famous "0.4" shot but, if you'll recall, his name was being slandered in the media due to the Kate Faber incident, and David Stern did not want the self-proclaimed rapist as the image for the NBA. So, in a rare display of obedience, Kobe elected to give Fisher the credit.

In other cases, the answer is more straightforward. When Horry made his remarkable shot in the '02 WCF, that was off a "Kobe assist"-- Kobe was doing what he does best-- chucking the ball, and the richochet happened to go to Horry this time. In my book, that is still a successful chuck. There are countless examples of this over time.

Hopefully you understand now!

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[russwest0]

Difference between them: Had Ray Allen missed, the Spurs would've won the title

The Derek Fisher 0.4 shot was in Game 5 tied at 2-2
The Lakers were already up when Artest hit the 3
The Horry 3 was in G4. The Lakers would've lost the game, not the series

I like how everyone ignores this :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

Offensive rebound and kick out to open LeBron for game-tying 3

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/131217224801-shot-ehrman-single-image-cut.jpg
This

Never really got why people think that the game wouldn't get tied without Ray

[rip2]

This

Never really got why people think that the game wouldn't get tied without Ray
You really think lebron would make a clutch 3? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Andrei89]

You really think lebron would make a clutch 3? :roll: :roll: :roll:

He did just before Ray.

Made a clutch 3 pointer to bring it within 3.

Not to mention he single handed brought the Heat back in the 4th quarter.

Why do you have to get owned in every thread bro?

[rip2]

He did just before Ray.

Made a clutch 3 pointer to bring it within 3.

Not to mention he single handed brought the Heat back in the 4th quarter.

Why do you have to get owned in every thread bro?
Um.. you realize that before that ray shot, Lebron had missed like 2 threes and had 2 turnovers? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He did just before Ray.

Made a clutch 3 pointer to bring it within 3.

Not to mention he single handed brought the Heat back in the 4th quarter.

Why do you have to get owned in every thread bro?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

He did just before Ray.

Made a clutch 3 pointer to bring it within 3.

Not to mention he single handed brought the Heat back in the 4th quarter.

Why do you have to get owned in every thread bro?
An open three for one of the best spot up shooters in the league and the clutchest player since Jordan?

Easy game

[rip2]

An open three for one of the best spot up shooters in the league and the clutchest player since Jordan?

Easy game
Yeap, that's why Ray Allen made it. :applause:
His teammate had 2 turnovers with 40 secs left in the game, great he didn't touch the ball :roll:

[Andrei89]

Yeap, that's why Ray Allen made it. :applause:
His teammate had 2 turnovers with 40 secs left in the game, great he didn't touch the ball :roll:


Stop talking in seconds and nano seconds and what not. Lebron brought the Heat back, I watched the game and so have you.

You are just a terrible poster , hence you getting banned again.

[rip2]

Stop talking in seconds and nano seconds and what not. Lebron brought the Heat back, I watched the game and so have you.

You are just a terrible poster , hence you getting banned again.
He statpadded when the game was out of reach. It even surprised him when the score got close again, and he missed several shots and had 2 straight turnovers in a row in the last minute. Yeah you read that right. Did you lestans try to forget it? Then he missed that last 3 which led to a bosh rebound to Ray allen for the career save.

Ask him to score when your team is up 10 or the other team is up 10? Lebron can do it. Ask him to hit a clutch 3? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He statpadded when the game was out of reach. It even surprised him when the score got close again, and he missed several shots and had 2 straight turnovers in a row in the last minute. Yeah you read that right. Did you lestans try to forget it? Then he missed that last 3 which led to a bosh rebound to Ray allen for the career save.

Ask him to score when your team is up 10 or the other team is up 10? Lebron can do it. Ask him to hit a clutch 3? :roll: :roll: :roll:
How was the game out of reach when they later won?:biggums: :biggums:
Thats retarded even by your standarts:coleman:

[rip2]

How was the game out of reach when they later won?:biggums: :biggums:
Thats retarded even by your standarts:coleman:
How should I put it to you?
Lebron's at his best when either his team is up by 10, or the other team is up by 10. I'm sure at this point, and in the 4th quarter, his FG becomes 70%, his +/- goes through the roof.

As soon as the score is within 5, his FG plummets to 30% and +/- drops into negatives

[KobesFinger]

I like how everyone ignores this :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

It's true so they're dealing in hypotheticals now

[Marlo_Stanfield]

How should I put it to you?
Lebron's at his best when either his team is up by 10, or the other team is up by 10. I'm sure at this point, and in the 4th quarter, his FG becomes 70%, his +/- goes through the roof.

As soon as the score is within 5, his FG plummets to 30% and +/- drops into negatives
sure whatever:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Andrei89]

How was the game out of reach when they later won?:biggums: :biggums:
Thats retarded even by your standarts:coleman:


That was the lowest of the lowest I have ever seen from him.

"When the game was out of reach Lebron stat padded to a win"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

That was the lowest of the lowest I have ever seen from him.

"When the game was out of reach Lebron stat padded to a win"

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :facepalm :biggums:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

How should I put it to you?
Lebron's at his best when either his team is up by 10, or the other team is up by 10. I'm sure at this point, and in the 4th quarter, his FG becomes 70%, his +/- goes through the roof.

As soon as the score is within 5, his FG plummets to 30% and +/- drops into negatives

The stupidity is mind boggling here. But not surprising coming from you.