You're starting a franchise, put em in order: Drummond, Davis, George, Kyrie, Lillard

[Westbrook0]

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard

You get to pick one of those guys to start your franchise.

What order would you put them in, from your top choice to your least choice?

[DukeDelonte13]

Davis at the top by himself and its pretty much a crapshoot with everyone else.

[VIntageNOvel]

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard

You get to pick one of those guys to start your franchise.

What order would you put them in, from your top choice to your least choice?


1.a davis
1.b george
2 drummond
3-4 is a toss up

[MMM]

Davis
Gerorge
Kyrie out of duke not tainted Irving
Drummond
Lillard
Current Kyrie

[imdaman99]

Davis - already a stud
George - not even the most important player on his own team, but still a very good 2 way player
Drummond - physical beast, is only gonna get better
Irving - great flash, but still has a lot to prove
Lillard - good player, great clutch player but I feel he has some things to improve, defense and shooting

[no pun intended]

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard

You get to pick one of those guys to start your franchise.

What order would you put them in, from your top choice to your least choice?
1) Davis
2) George
3) Lillard
4) Irving
5) Drummond

[VelvetHoop]

Davis - already a stud
George - not even the most important player on his own team, but still a very good 2 way player
Drummond - physical beast, is only gonna get better
Irving - great flash, but still has a lot to prove
Lillard - good player, great clutch player but I feel he has some things to improve, defense and shooting

this

[moe94]

Davis
Drummond
George
Kyrie
Lillard

[ImKobe]

Davis
Drummond
George
Lillard










Kyrie

[KD35willbeGOAT]

1) Davis
2) George



3) Drummond (Franchise bigs are harder to come by)
4) Lillard
5) Kyrie

[All Net]

Davis and George are superstars for the future.

[scm5]

AD
PG
Drummond
Lillard
Kyrie

[Marlo_Stanfield]

davis
Drummond
George
Lillard
Kyrie:applause:

[kshutts1]

Davis - Big that has shown he can dominate
Drummond - has the potential to be better than Davis, but has not shown as much yet
George - best player on the list, but he's not a big, much less a mobile big
tie - incredibly similar players. Don't really care.

[coolhandsteve]

Davis
George
Drummond
Lillard
Irving

[SHABBA]

1. Davis
2. PG
3. Drummond
4. Lillard
5. Kyrie

Top 3 are obvious. Latter two could change.

[Bob Dole]

davis
geoge
kyrie
Drummond
lillard

Kyrie is being terribly underrated on this board. I don't ever think Drummond will be a top ten player in the league.

You're Welcome suckas:rockon:

[Qwyjibo]

George doesn't really fit in this if you're including current contracts. If I was a starting franchise, even though he's really good, I'd rather have one of the other guys on a much cheaper deal.

But, just based on age and skill:

1. Davis (clear #1 here)
2. George (clear #2 for me)

3. Drummond
4. Irving
5. Lillard
- There is little that separates these 3. I could change my mind on them by the end of the year. All 3 are very good. I just think that Drummond and Irving have a bit more room to grow than Lillard.

[CelticBaller]

Davis, Drummond, George then everyone else

[alenleomessi]

george has a shot at a FMVP while davis wont make the playoffs, again.. first one is made of steel, second one seem to miss games here and there.. sure davis is a good defender but still cant do shit about pelicans top 5 worst defense in the nba.. he is a big man in an era without big man? who cares, wing players will still be the ones that win shit..
a team with battier and bosh as frontcourt has won the last two titles while beating teams led by 'dominant' big men like hibbert and duncan..
wouldnt really matter how good your big man is if the opponent team has a lebron, durant, george type of player

1. paul george
2. everyone else

[KyrieTheFuture]

PG is so god damn overrated.

[Bob Dole]

Most of you all would be fired as a gm within a week. You Would have drafted milicic over melo wade and bosh, derrick williams over kyrie, and given gilbert arenas a 100 million dollar contract.

Do you even basketball?

[CeltsGarlic]

Irving #1

[moe94]

Most of you all would be fired as a gm within a week. You Would have drafted milicic over melo wade and bosh, derrick williams over kyrie, and given gilbert arenas a 100 million dollar contract.

Do you even basketball?

Because Drummond is trash, right?

[Bob Dole]

Because Drummond is trash, right?

strawman argument much?

Never said he was trash. He just likely wont ever be a top ten player in the league at any point in his career. Kyrie was getting top ten consideration last year by many before all this irrational hate came. Drummond is a good second or third peice on a good team but if he is ever your go to guy I got some bad news.

[Illuminati]

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. George
4. Lillard
5. Kyrie

[kc16]

Davis
George
Lillard
Drummond
Irving

[RightToCensor]

Irving should be last on everyone's list. :applause:

Worst superstar in the league.

[embersyc]

Davis
George
Lillard
Drummond

Would not consider Irving for all the blowjobs in Thailand.

[moe94]

strawman argument much?

Never said he was trash. He just likely wont ever be a top ten player in the league at any point in his career. Kyrie was getting top ten consideration last year by many before all this irrational hate came. Drummond is a good second or third peice on a good team but if he is ever your go to guy I got some bad news.

:roll:

Are you serious right now? It was plain as day what you were implying. Hell, you went on to rationalize it. Give me a break.

[fpliii]

Davis

George

Drummond

Kyrie
Lillard

[secund2nun]

1. Davis
2. Drummond

3. PG

4. Lillard
5. Irving

[Bob Dole]

:roll:

Are you serious right now? It was plain as day what you were implying. Hell, you went on to rationalize it. Give me a break.

Confirmed idiot. Be gone peasant.

[kshutts1]

george has a shot at a FMVP while davis wont make the playoffs, again.. first one is made of steel, second one seem to miss games here and there.. sure davis is a good defender but still cant do shit about pelicans top 5 worst defense in the nba.. he is a big man in an era without big man? who cares, wing players will still be the ones that win shit..
a team with battier and bosh as frontcourt has won the last two titles while beating teams led by 'dominant' big men like hibbert and duncan..
wouldnt really matter how good your big man is if the opponent team has a lebron, durant, george type of player

1. paul george
2. everyone else

I forgot about Davis' injury history. Good call on that. I may put Drummond number one.

[secund2nun]

george has a shot at a FMVP while davis wont make the playoffs, again.. first one is made of steel, second one seem to miss games here and there.. sure davis is a good defender but still cant do shit about pelicans top 5 worst defense in the nba.. he is a big man in an era without big man? who cares, wing players will still be the ones that win shit..
a team with battier and bosh as frontcourt has won the last two titles while beating teams led by 'dominant' big men like hibbert and duncan..
wouldnt really matter how good your big man is if the opponent team has a lebron, durant, george type of player

1. paul george
2. everyone else

Davis is way better than PG. Indy will make the playoffs. PG by himself can't make the playoffs.

[secund2nun]

strawman argument much?

Never said he was trash. He just likely wont ever be a top ten player in the league at any point in his career. Kyrie was getting top ten consideration last year by many before all this irrational hate came. Drummond is a good second or third peice on a good team but if he is ever your go to guy I got some bad news.

Kyrie was never even close to a star, let alone a top 10 player. If anything it would be you who would give Arenas a 100 million dollar contract based off of flashy inefficient play, limited impact in the W column.

Irving is just overrated because his style of play is sexy and the Pepsi commercial. He is just pure hype. 3 years of Irving= 3 years of lottery. You don't build around a PG, let alone a PG who is a ball hog with limited passing skills and no defense.....plus inefficient volume scoring.

Drummond is 20 and is already putting up 13/13 and has defensive anchor potential. Drummond is a way better piece for a team than Irving.

[moe94]

Confirmed idiot. Be gone peasant.

What a comeback. :rolleyes:

[Fire Colangelo]

Davis
George
Lillard
Irving
Drummond

I don't like big men that can't shoot FT's unless he can be as dominating as Shaq.

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie was never even close to a star, let alone a top 10 player. If anything it would be you who would give Arenas a 100 million dollar contract based off of flashy inefficient play, limited impact in the W column.

Irving is just overrated because his style of play is sexy and the Pepsi commercial. He is just pure hype. 3 years of Irving= 3 years of lottery. You don't build around a PG, let alone a PG who is a ball hog with limited passing skills and no defense.....plus inefficient volume scoring.

Drummond is 20 and is already putting up 13/13 and has defensive anchor potential. Drummond is a way better piece for a team than Irving.

He was pretty efficient up until his injury last year, and most people were calling him one of the best pure shooters out there. The hate for Kyrie here on ISH is really starting to get ridiculous.

I would also argue that his passing skills are far from limited. He may not be Steve Nash but he is certainly a capable play-maker when healthy and with his head in the game. Just watch this vid for some examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26uLHAEwIo

I really don't think it's fair to base much of anything off how he's played so far since coming back from his injury, especially given the current state of our team...better to look at his stats and play his first 1.5 seasons.

Also, remember he's only 21 years old =)

[Thorpesaurous]

Davis
George

The only two way players on the list. I'd still lean bigger and younger first.

Lillard
Irving
Drummond

The second group is tricky. Two offense only PGs and really a Defense only and clean up offense big.
I definitively want Lillard over Irving at this point. I think he brings more to the table physically, isn't quite as bad defensively, and has shown at least some proclivity for playing inside out.

The nice thing about a big like Drummond is that it's like missing on an Left Tackle in the NFL draft. You can always move him to Right Tackle, then try guard. If a non-ball dominant big fails as your feature player, you still have a defensive and rebounding presence. Ball dominant guards are tricky because if you get the wrong one, it's hard to justify replacing him because of all he brings to the table, while it's difficult to see the flaws. It's like making the wrong choice at QB, you can be dead for 5 years with a guy who's just good enough to not be able to replace.

[IncarceratedBob]

You cant build around Paul George. It would be like building around Rip Hamilton

[Black and White]

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard

You get to pick one of those guys to start your franchise.

What order would you put them in, from your top choice to your least choice?

Davis
Drummond
George
Lillard
Irving

[Johnny Jones]

I forgot about Davis' injury history. Good call on that. I may put Drummond number one.
Davis injury history has been minor injuries and freak accidents.. This year he banged his hand on the rim and broke it. last year Austin Rivers hit him in the head with his elbow, giving AD a concussion.

Calling AD injury prone right now is retarded

[secund2nun]

He was pretty efficient up until his injury last year, and most people were calling him one of the best pure shooters out there. The hate for Kyrie here on ISH is really starting to get ridiculous.

I would also argue that his passing skills are far from limited. He may not be Steve Nash but he is certainly a capable play-maker when healthy and with his head in the game. Just watch this vid for some examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26uLHAEwIo

I really don't think it's fair to base much of anything off how he's played so far since coming back from his injury, especially given the current state of our team...better to look at his stats and play his first 1.5 seasons.

Also, remember he's only 21 years old =)

I've been saying since his rookie season that he is overrated. He will always be limited by his size. PGs don't win you squat unless it's a historically good PG like CP3 and even then he won't win you titles. The one perceived strength of Irving's game (scoring) was not even that good even last year. This year it's awful. His shooting skills are nice (when he is not in shot jack ball hog mode), but it is nice for a complementary player not a player who you will build around and give him a max contract.

Was Irving more efficient last year? Sure, but because of his size limitations he will never be the type of player who can give up 25+ ppg on high efficiency. And even last year it's not like his efficiency was that great even before the ASG. Overall he had 22.5 ppg on 18 shots per game. If he tried to get 25+ ppg his efficiency would drop a lot.

His passing can improve, but he will probably never be a good passer at PG. He lacks the mindset for it. He is basically a undersized shooting guard. Rarely has a PG been this mediocre at passing for the first 3 years of their career and randomly morph into a good passer. His play is so toxic. He will try to dribble past 3 defenders while his teammates are open and not even pass it to them. He doesn't even attempt to play defense either.

Throw in the fact that he is injury prone and is gonna get grossly overpaid with a max contract based on Pepsi commercials and fancy highlight plays the Cavs should trade him while they can.

[DukeDelonte13]

I've been saying since his rookie season that he is overrated. He will always be limited by his size. PGs don't win you squat unless it's a historically good PG like CP3 and even then he won't win you titles. The one perceived strength of Irving's game (scoring) was not even that good even last year. This year it's awful. His shooting skills are nice (when he is not in shot jack ball hog mode), but it is nice for a complementary player not a player who you will build around and give him a max contract.

Was Irving more efficient last year? Sure, but because of his size limitations he will never be the type of player who can give up 25+ ppg on high efficiency. And even last year it's not like his efficiency was that great even before the ASG. Overall he had 22.5 ppg on 18 shots per game. If he tried to get 25+ ppg his efficiency would drop a lot.

His passing can improve, but he will probably never be a good passer at PG. He lacks the mindset for it. He is basically a undersized shooting guard. Rarely has a PG been this mediocre at passing for the first 3 years of their career and randomly morph into a good passer. His play is so toxic. He will try to dribble past 3 defenders while his teammates are open and not even pass it to them. He doesn't even attempt to play defense either.

Throw in the fact that he is injury prone and is gonna get grossly overpaid with a max contract based on Pepsi commercials and fancy highlight plays the Cavs should trade him while they can.


i agree with a lot of what you are saying.

namely, it's risky to build a team around a PG like Irving, his true position is really SG, and his play is not conducive to good ball movement.

People think the offense suffers because of MB, but in reality it was just as bad with just as much ISO under Byron Scott. Coincidence? Nope. It's because all of the cavs ball handlers (Jack, Irving, Waiters) are all guards that like to score first and try to beat guys off the dribble.

[alexd]

davis by far
p.george
drummond
irving
lillard

i put drummond over irving not because he s a better player.You can t win with pg being the best player you have.In this era a good young athletic big has much more value than a flashy point guard with great talent.Plus i value defense more than offense

[christian1923]

Paul George
Anthony Davis
Andre Drummond
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard