NBA SportsVU stats on KD and Lebrons passing

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking.html

Passing:
Assists per 100 passes:
LeBron 16.7
Durant 17.4

Assist FG%:
LeBron: 53.7%
Durant 53.5%

Points scored per assist:
LeBron 2.38
Durant 2.26

Ratio of assist opportunities created to bad pass turnovers:
LeBron 6.63
Durant 6.30

Turnovers per 100 frontcourt touches:
LeBron 5.50
Durant 6.26

Foul Drawing:
Shooting fouls drawn- Fouls drawn per game
LeBron: 146 shooting fouls- 6.0 fouls drawn per game
Durant: 178 shooting fouls- 6.6 fouls drawn per game

Contested rebound%:
LeBron 39.0%
Durant 38.6%

Driving:
Points per drive:
LeBron 0.84 points/drive, 1.27 team points/drive
Durant 1.05 points/drive, 1.41 team points/drive

Time of possession/Touching:
Frontcourt touches per 100 possessions:
LeBron 97.9
Durant 78.3

Time of possession per touch:
LeBron 3.68 seconds per touch
Durant 2.98

% of the offensive possession where this player is holding the ball:
LeBron 24.6%
Durant 17.2%

Points scored per frontcourt touch:
LeBron 0.42 (+ 0.25 assist points per frontcourt touch)
Durant 0.57 (+0.22 assist points per frontcourt touch)


Theres barely a gap in passing Brans more ball dominant. KD beats Bran in EVERY scoring category. Is there any doubt who the better offensive player is? Hes better defense too:coleman:

[russwest0]

This just confirms what the non box score scouters already knew.

[K Xerxes]

These stats simply confirm what every sane follower of the NBA knows: Durant has been better than Lebron this season. Does anyone really dispute that?

I'm more interested in what happens in the playoffs, and in particular if Lebron raises his game. At the very least, I expect him to amp it up defensively. Until then, I hesitate to say that Durant has flat out become a better player, considering Lebron has been so dominant these past 2 seasons as the B2B MVP and FMVP.

No matter what happens, this will be Durant's league soon. He is a special special player.

[NumberSix]

LeBron is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better playmaker, better flopper, better playoff performer.

Durant is a better shooter, better free throw shooter.

[russwest0]

I mean, if you're a LeBron stan I guess you could make the argument that Durants passing numbers are better because he is double teamed a lot more.

But that would be a weak ass argument since being dominant enough to draw double teams shouldn't really be used against you.

[Black and White]

LeBron is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better playmaker, better flopper, better playoff performer.

Durant is a better shooter, better free throw shooter.

:no:

[russwest0]

These stats simply confirm what every sane follower of the NBA knows: Durant has been better than Lebron this season. Does anyone really dispute that?

I'm more interested in what happens in the playoffs, and in particular if Lebron raises his game. At the very least, I expect him to amp it up defensively. Until then, I hesitate to say that Durant has flat out become a better player, considering Lebron has been so dominant these past 2 seasons as the B2B MVP and FMVP.

No matter what happens, this will be Durant's league soon. He is a special special player.

So if Ray Allen missed that 3 pointer, you wouldn't hesitate to call Durant the best player in the league right now?

Damn, Ray Allen :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jailblazers7]

Passing is one of the category of the game where I have zero interest in advanced stats. So to sum it up to OP, tl;dr.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Passing is one of the category of the game where I have zero interest in advanced stats. So to sum it up to OP, tl;dr.
Chance is wack as fck cuz:applause:

[Trollsmasher]

Nice, this clearly shows that LeBron is a much better at moving the ball around while Durant is "the ISO" guy that makes the whole offense worse and others have to make up for it

It also shows that LeBron is superior in everything other than FT% shooting

Thanks OP

[secund2nun]

Meaningless regular season. Durant without Westbrook lost in 5 to Memphis last playoffs.

End thread

[pegasus]

Lebron has great court vision (only thing he's got at elite level, IMO) but his passing is overrated. Most of his assists go to shooters, and half of them aren't even that open when they have to catch and shoot. He pounds the ball until 2-3 seconds left on the clock and then passes it to a teammate who has no choice but to shoot immediately.

KD is more crafty when it comes to slashing and finding the open teammate right underneath the basket for an easy dunk. Wade and Chalmers are the ones who do that on the Heat.

[K Xerxes]

So if Ray Allen missed that 3 pointer, you wouldn't hesitate to call Durant the best player in the league right now?

Damn, Ray Allen :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Nope, I'd still consider Lebron better overall.

[NumberSix]

:no:
20.6 on 57.7% is better than 22.5 on 51.3%


facts > opinions.

[Black and White]

20.6 on 57.7% is better than 22.5 on 51.3%


facts > opinions.

Nobody here thinks LeBron is a better scorer than Durant other than you

[AnaheimLakers24]

Chance is wack as fck cuz:applause:
:applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

This just confirms what the non box score scouters already knew.


:roll:

[russwest0]

Nope, I'd still consider Lebron better overall.

Alright, was just curious. Also, since you mentioned LeBrons defense (or lack thereof) were you aware that LeBrons defense actually got worse in the playoffs last year? (Statistically, eye test, etc)

He played like shit defensively vs the Pacers. They tried hiding him on Stephenson but then Stephenson started doing well vs him.

[noob cake]

GTFO,

No one actually thinks that Durant is better than LeBron at passing/court vision.

[russwest0]

GTFO,

No one actually thinks that Durant is better than LeBron at passing/court vision.

Yes, surely no one else has LeBrons GOAT court vision of running down the shot clock and then with a few seconds left kicking it out to one of two-three 40% 3pt shooters

[Jlamb47]

KD might not be a better passer yet but he definetly is the better player this year. And yeah KD did lose last year in 5 to memphis but hes a waay better player this year. Yal always go in the past to defend yals fav player. Weak arguements

[Trollsmasher]

Yes, surely no one else has LeBrons GOAT court vision of running down the shot clock and then with a few seconds left kicking it out to one of two-three 40% 3pt shooters
That's a perfect description of Durant's offense

Thank you

[russwest0]

Russell Westbrook goes down mid playoffs

2 weeks later they lose to Grizzlies in a series where all experts and betting lines had the Grizzlies favored: "Durant Choked!!!11!1!"

The insecurity is truly astounding.

[NumberSix]

Deuxrant's offense:

Part 1: Dribble around

Part 2:
Option A: dribble off own leg
Option B: shoot
Option C: lose the ball
Option D: fall


Part 3: Shoot free throws.

[Trollsmasher]

Deuxrant's offense:

Part 1: Dribble around

Part 2:
Option A: dribble off own leg
Option B: shoot
Option C: lose the ball
Option D: fall


Part 3: Shoot free throws.
Part 4: Pretend a "carrying" crossover 4 times in a row, dribble back to 30 feet and pass to a teammate for a hard bailout shot

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Deuxrant's offense:

Part 1: Dribble around

Part 2:
Option A: dribble off own leg
Option B: shoot
Option C: lose the ball
Option D: fall


Part 3: Shoot free throws.

Brans offense:

Dribble around

A: Pass to someone w/ 3 secs left
B: Brick a midrange
C: Run at the basket with head down showing no skill in drawing fouls
D: Brick a 3
E: Turn it ova

[russwest0]

Brans offense:

Dribble around

A: Pass to someone w/ 3 secs left
B: Brick a midrange
C: Run at the basket with head down showing no skill in drawing fouls
D: Brick a 3
E: Turn it ova

You give the man too much credit. You realize we're talking about in the halfcourt, right?

[NumberSix]

Brans offense:

Dribble around

A: Pass to someone w/ 3 secs left
B: Brick a midrange
C: Run at the basket with head down showing no skill in drawing fouls
D: Brick a 3
E: Turn it ova
F: win chips
Option F. :pimp:

[Black and White]

Bran offense:

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif

[Boarder Patrol]

LeBron is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better playmaker, better flopper, better playoff performer.

Durant is a better shooter, better free throw shooter.

Durant is a better rebounder and defender this season and it isn't debatable.

LeBrom is a better playmaker and....playmaker.

[K Xerxes]

Alright, was just curious. Also, since you mentioned LeBrons defense (or lack thereof) were you aware that LeBrons defense actually got worse in the playoffs last year? (Statistically, eye test, etc)

He played like shit defensively vs the Pacers. They tried hiding him on Stephenson but then Stephenson started doing well vs him.

My eyes told me that Lebron played pretty amazing defense in the 2013 playoffs when it counted most. I agree that he was underwhelming in the Indiana series, and Wade was actually more effective in defending George in the first 6 games. However, in game 7, Lebron shut down George to 7 points on 2-9 shooting. George couldn't do anything in that game.

And in the finals, for all of his offensive failures, Lebron just took Parker out of the game in the last 2 games except for that brief period in game 6 where Parker made incredibly tough shots. He shot a combined 9-35 in game 6 and 7, and I'm fairly sure the majority of those made baskets came when he was being guarded by Cole or Chalmers. In fact, a lot of the times Parker was being guarded by Lebron, they weren't even including him in the offense.

This is what I remember from watching the playoffs. I actually felt that Lebron's defense was being overrated in the 2013 regular season (and made a thread on how he shouldn't even be in the all defensive teams), but he stepped it up in the playoffs.

[NumberSix]

My eyes told me that Lebron played pretty amazing defense in the 2013 playoffs when it counted most. I agree that he was underwhelming in the Indiana series, and Wade was actually more effective in defending George in the first 6 games. However, in game 7, Lebron shut down George to 7 points on 2-9 shooting. George couldn't do anything in that game.

And in the finals, for all of his offensive failures, Lebron just took Parker out of the game in the last 2 games except for that brief period in game 6 where Parker made incredibly tough shots. He shot a combined 9-35 in game 6 and 7, and I'm fairly sure the majority of those made baskets came when he was being guarded by Cole or Chalmers. In fact, a lot of the times Parker was being guarded by Lebron, they weren't even including him in the offense.

This is what I remember from watching the playoffs. I actually felt that Lebron's defense was being overrated in the 2013 regular season (and made a thread on how he shouldn't even be in the all defensive teams), but he stepped it up in the playoffs.
LeBron has become "pick his spots guy" on defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

Russell Westbrook goes down mid playoffs

2 weeks later they lose to Grizzlies in a series where all experts and betting lines had the Grizzlies favored: "Durant Choked!!!11!1!"

The insecurity is truly astounding.

Do I really need to post this again?

Durant 2013 Playoffs: 31 PPG on 45%.

Durant's 2nd Round loss vs. Grizzlies: 29 PPG on 42%.

4th Quarters:

1R:

G5 vs Rockets: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting

2R:

G2: 10 Points, 4-7 Shooting. However, missed his last 3 shots and had a major turnover.

G3: 2 Points, 1-4 Shooting. 0-2 on big time FT's and missed the gt shot with 50 seconds remaining.

G4: 6 Points, 2-8 Shooting! In Overtime: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting. A combined 15% shooting.

G5: 2 Points, 1-5 Shooting. 3 Turnovers. (Jackson 7 Points, Ibaka 4, Collison 4.)

G5 Elimination Game: Scores 21 Points on 5-21, 24% Shooting.

You can thank KD for giving away all their 4 losses against the Grizzlies. Choking, this is it.

[russwest0]

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[Trollsmasher]

Do I really need to post this again?

Durant 2013 Playoffs: 31 PPG on 45%.

Durant's 2nd Round loss vs. Grizzlies: 29 PPG on 42%.

4th Quarters:

1R:

G5 vs Rockets: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting

2R:

G2: 10 Points, 4-7 Shooting. However, missed his last 3 shots and had a major turnover.

G3: 2 Points, 1-4 Shooting. 0-2 on big time FT's and missed the gt shot with 50 seconds remaining.

G4: 6 Points, 2-8 Shooting! In Overtime: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting. A combined 15% shooting.

G5: 2 Points, 1-5 Shooting. 3 Turnovers. (Jackson 7 Points, Ibaka 4, Collison 4.)

G5 Elimination Game: Scores 21 Points on 5-21, 24% Shooting.

You can thank KD for giving away all their 4 losses against the Grizzlies. Choking, this is it.
wow

Did not even know that it was THAT bad:eek:

Worst choke of all time

[6 for 24]

Serious question, ISH:

Why does everyone look at passing as a good thing? Let's look at how we use it in common speak:

Example 1:
You: My grandfather passed away today.
Friend: That's great news!
You: Asshole.

Example 2:
You: I passed the test.
Friend: That's great news!
You: With a 'D'. My parents are going to kill me.

Example 3:
You: My life has passed me by and I have nothing to show for it but thousands of posts on an Internet message board.
Friend: That's great news!
You: You are the worst friend ever.

As you can see, passing is not something to be admired. This is why I love Kobe so-- he does not pass. He also has no friends.

Warmest regards,
Ayotunde Ndiaye

[maybeshewill13]

Yep, we all know Leflop stans share the same mentality where stats reign supreme. Real basketball fans have known KD has surpassed Lediva in near every category this year.

[NumberSix]

Do I really need to post this again?

Durant 2013 Playoffs: 31 PPG on 45%.

Durant's 2nd Round loss vs. Grizzlies: 29 PPG on 42%.

4th Quarters:

1R:

G5 vs Rockets: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting

2R:

G2: 10 Points, 4-7 Shooting. However, missed his last 3 shots and had a major turnover.

G3: 2 Points, 1-4 Shooting. 0-2 on big time FT's and missed the gt shot with 50 seconds remaining.

G4: 6 Points, 2-8 Shooting! In Overtime: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting. A combined 15% shooting.

G5: 2 Points, 1-5 Shooting. 3 Turnovers. (Jackson 7 Points, Ibaka 4, Collison 4.)

G5 Elimination Game: Scores 21 Points on 5-21, 24% Shooting.

You can thank KD for giving away all their 4 losses against the Grizzlies. Choking, this is it.
http://peterhbrown.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/reggie-miller-choke.jpg

[noob cake]

Brans offense:

Dribble around

A: Pass to someone w/ 3 secs left
B: Brick a midrange
C: Run at the basket with head down showing no skill in drawing fouls
D: Brick a 3
E: Turn it ova

Call me when Dubeta wins a chip like "Bran".

OKC fans are getting ridiculous. Durant better than LeBron by the virtue that he is the greatest pure scorer of this decade? Okay, decent argument.

Durant better than LeBron because he is a better scorer and passer. GTFO :no:

[Budadiiii]

wow

Did not even know that it was THAT bad:eek:

Worst choke of all time
Here it is:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg


http://nbamoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Screen-shot-2011-06-14-at-1.03.28-PM.png




Literally the worst choke job in the history of athletic competition, or any competition for that matter.

[BoutPractice]

Good passing is not the same as assists (even per pass).

For example, Tim Duncan is a better passer than a great many players who average more assists than him.

[K Xerxes]

^Durant had less help in that series than Lebron did in Cleveland. His second option at the time (Ibaka) missed about 5 open dunks and forgot how to shoot a midrange shot. Martin was wildly inconsistent. Fisher and Perkins were just... yeah. The most consistent help he received was from the Reggie Jackson for christ sake...

And you guys consider him averaging 29-10-7 on 42% as choking really hard. Compared to what Lebron did in 2007, 2011 and - to a lesser extent - in 2010... it's a pretty good performance against such a stifling defensive team that flooded him at every opportunity.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Call me when Dubeta wins a chip like "Bran".

OKC fans are getting ridiculous. Durant better than LeBron by the virtue that he is the greatest pure scorer of this decade? Okay, decent argument.

Durant better than LeBron because he is a better scorer and passer. GTFO :no:
So u admit Lebron wasnt a better player than Kobe until 2012:applause:

[russwest0]

Here it is:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg


http://nbamoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Screen-shot-2011-06-14-at-1.03.28-PM.png




Literally the worst choke job in the history of athletic competition, or any competition for that matter.

Holy shit, and they were heavy favorites in this series too?

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Here it is:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg


http://nbamoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Screen-shot-2011-06-14-at-1.03.28-PM.png




Literally the worst choke job in the history of athletic competition, or any competition for that matter.
they were outscored by 16 when Bran was playing in the clutch LMFAO
thats horrible:roll: :roll: :roll:

[NumberSix]

Here it is:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg


http://nbamoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Screen-shot-2011-06-14-at-1.03.28-PM.png




Literally the worst choke job in the history of athletic competition, or any competition for that matter.
LeBron definitely choked.





BUT...... He immediately redeemed himself with back2back MVP+FMVP seasons.


If Deuxrnt redeems himself, fine, but until he does.........

[Budadiiii]

Holy shit, and they were heavy favorites in this series too?

:lol :lol :lol :lol
Yeah, exactly.

Heat were stacked top to bottom and still are.

Wade and Bosh showed up to play but LeBron LITERALLY was a liability and cost his team a ship. Unreal huh?

This is the literal definition of choking personified. Heavily favored on the biggest stage of all and he was pretty much nonexistent. Nightmarish.

KD has always been a beast in the playoffs and was getting triple teamed against Memphis and he got literally no help.

LeBron was being left open against Dallas and managed to only score 8 freaking points in a game. :lol

I feel bad for him. He suffers from mental incompetence when the pressure arrives.

[Budadiiii]

LeBron definitely choked.

Water is wet.

[Black and White]

Call me when Dubeta wins a chip like "Bran".
OKC fans are getting ridiculous. Durant better than LeBron by the virtue that he is the greatest pure scorer of this decade? Okay, decent argument.

Durant better than LeBron because he is a better scorer and passer. GTFO :no:

To win a Bran chip he has to go team up with 2 other great players, he has Westbrook, maybe LaMarcus Aldridge needs to be added??

[BoutPractice]

they were outscored by 16 when Bran was playing in the clutch LMFAO
thats horrible:roll: :roll: :roll:
= they were outscored in the clutch (since LeBron is by definition playing in the clutch). Which everyone already knew

[MASH Transit]

Do I really need to post this again?

Durant 2013 Playoffs: 31 PPG on 45%.

Durant's 2nd Round loss vs. Grizzlies: 29 PPG on 42%.

4th Quarters:

1R:

G5 vs Rockets: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting

2R:

G2: 10 Points, 4-7 Shooting. However, missed his last 3 shots and had a major turnover.

G3: 2 Points, 1-4 Shooting. 0-2 on big time FT's and missed the gt shot with 50 seconds remaining.

G4: 6 Points, 2-8 Shooting! In Overtime: 0 Points, 0-5 Shooting. A combined 15% shooting.

G5: 2 Points, 1-5 Shooting. 3 Turnovers. (Jackson 7 Points, Ibaka 4, Collison 4.)

G5 Elimination Game: Scores 21 Points on 5-21, 24% Shooting.

You can thank KD for giving away all their 4 losses against the Grizzlies. Choking, this is it.


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0512/nba_g_lebronsign1_576.jpg

[NumberSix]

To win a Bran chip he has to go team up with 2 other great players, he has Westbrook, maybe LaMarcus Aldridge needs to be added??
If "Bran" can win with an injured Wade and Bosh, healthy Westbrook and Ibaka should be more than enough.

[Black and White]

If "Bran" can win with an injured Wade and Bosh, healthy Westbrook and Ibaka should be more than enough.

You have to give him someone who can bail him out with a 3 pointer though

[NumberSix]

You have to give him someone who can bail him out with a 3 pointer though
Jackson? Lamb? FISHER?

[InfiniteBaskets]

http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking.html

Passing:
Assists per 100 passes:
LeBron 16.7
Durant 17.4

Assist FG%:
LeBron: 53.7%
Durant 53.5%

Points scored per assist:
LeBron 2.38
Durant 2.26



What is Assist FG% ? Aren't FG % by definition of an assist, 100%? Or is that supposed to be Assist %?

[ArbitraryWater]

You have to give him someone who can bail him out with a 3 pointer though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0nXdJsnOI

Look at Fisher hitting the GT 3 Point Shot with 2 minutes left.

Unless you want to go trolling and have the exact same circumstance of LeBron.

[Budadiiii]

If "Bran" can win with an injured Wade and Bosh, healthy Westbrook and Ibaka should be more than enough.
Westbrook isn't healthy and he wasn't last year so your argument collapses on itself.

If Bron can lose with a healthy Wade and Bosh then he's considered the biggest fraud ever... oh wait, that happened, and he is considered that. LOL.

It's a team sport kid. Not just about 1 or 2 or 3 players. The Heat play insane team D and are very well coached. They have a perfect lineup to win in the playoffs these past few years. Replace Bron with: Durant, Cp3, Melo, Westbrook, Jennings, Love, and many more guys... they have just as many rings most likely more because these guys don't suffer from performance anxiety which cost the 2011 Heat the championship.

[Black and White]

Jackson? Lamb? FISHER?

They might do, difference is, Durant won't need them to bail him out, he will do it himself

[NumberSix]

They might do, difference is, Durant won't need them to bail him out, he will do it himself
Unless it's the Grizz doe.

[Black and White]

Unless it's the Grizz doe.

This season doe

[Trollsmasher]

Jackson? Lamb? FISHER?
even Ibaka bails him out on 3 pointers with regularity

[Budadiiii]

Jackson? Lamb? FISHER?
:roll:

[Budadiiii]

even Ibaka bails him out on 3 pointers with regularity
Prove it.

Otherwise stop talking out of your ass.

[russwest0]

That awks moment when yall realize Durants best 3pt option is a dude shooting 37% from beyond the arc

[Trollsmasher]

No wonder Durant stans are out in full force

Guy has started losing steam which will (as it does every year) cumulate in the playoffs with another all time great choke

Meanwhile LeBron is just starting to round into the playoff form on a way to another all time great postseason:applause:

That awks moment when yall realize Durants best 3pt option is a dude shooting 37% from beyond the arc
Entirely Durant's fault

[Black and White]

That awks moment when yall realize Durants best 3pt option is a dude shooting 37% from beyond the arc

OKC would take Ray Allen with open arms from these Heat fans that are busy bashing him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah, Durant's been better than Lebron this season. Wasn't that already the consensus? :confusedshrug:

[tmacattack33]

http://stats.nba.com/playerTracking.html

Passing:
Assists per 100 passes:
LeBron 16.7
Durant 17.4

Assist FG%:
LeBron: 53.7%
Durant 53.5%

Points scored per assist:
LeBron 2.38
Durant 2.26

Ratio of assist opportunities created to bad pass turnovers:
LeBron 6.63
Durant 6.30

Turnovers per 100 frontcourt touches:
LeBron 5.50
Durant 6.26

Foul Drawing:
Shooting fouls drawn- Fouls drawn per game
LeBron: 146 shooting fouls- 6.0 fouls drawn per game
Durant: 178 shooting fouls- 6.6 fouls drawn per game

Contested rebound%:
LeBron 39.0%
Durant 38.6%

Driving:
Points per drive:
LeBron 0.84 points/drive, 1.27 team points/drive
Durant 1.05 points/drive, 1.41 team points/drive

Time of possession/Touching:
Frontcourt touches per 100 possessions:
LeBron 97.9
Durant 78.3

Time of possession per touch:
LeBron 3.68 seconds per touch
Durant 2.98

% of the offensive possession where this player is holding the ball:
LeBron 24.6%
Durant 17.2%

Points scored per frontcourt touch:
LeBron 0.42 (+ 0.25 assist points per frontcourt touch)
Durant 0.57 (+0.22 assist points per frontcourt touch)


Theres barely a gap in passing Brans more ball dominant. KD beats Bran in EVERY scoring category. Is there any doubt who the better offensive player is? Hes better defense too:coleman:

Trying to determine a better passer by some pass-to-assist stat is hysterical.

Lebron may roll the ball to Chalmers in the backcourt, and it will be listed as a pass without an assist.

Or the play could call for Lebron to dump it off to Wade and then Lebron posts up.

Or it could call for Lebron to dump it off to Cole at the top of the key before the play actually starts.

[aj1987]

OKC would take Ray Allen with open arms from these Heat fans that are busy bashing him.
You do realize that Ray is making only 33% of his 3's, most of which are WIDE open, and literally plays 0 defense, right? Have you seen him play this season? When he puts the ball on the floor, it's usually a TOV. Sure, you can have him for Jackson.

BTW, when are you gonna stop pretending to be a C's fan?

[Budadiiii]

That awks moment when yall realize Durants best 3pt option is a dude shooting 37% from beyond the arc
They're literally making things up to prop up a crack kid who abandoned his own state.

They're not stable individuals. KD dethrones LeBron in his prime and this is the results you get. Wacky, Cookoo, Phycoschamtical individuals just typing to type almost as a way to distract themselves from reality.

Sad life these people have man.... sad ****ing life.

[Trollsmasher]

Trying to determine a better passer by some pass-to- assist stat is hysterical.

Lebron may pass the ball to Chalmers in the backcourt, and it will be listed as a pass without an assist.

Or the play could call for Lebron to dump it off to Wade and then Lebron posts up.

Or it could call for Lebron to dump it off to Cole at the top of the key before the play actually starts.
Of course LeBron is going to have more passes. Miami runs offense while OKC runs Durant ISOs to let him pad his stats.

But try explaining that to idiots:lol

[Black and White]

You do realize that Ray is making only 33% of his 3's, most of which are WIDE open, and literally plays 0 defense, right? Have you seen him play this season? When he puts the ball on the floor, it's usually a TOV. Sure, you can have him for Jackson.

BTW, when are you gonna stop pretending to be a C's fan?

He is basically the same player that he was in the last year of the Celtics, he was dealing with injury then too, shooters have slumps it happens, he will get it back come playoff time,

You would think that Heat fans would respect the guy more considering HE IS THE SOLE REASON LEBRON IS A TWO TIME CHAMPION

[russwest0]

They're literally making things up to prop up a crack kid who abandoned his own state.

They're not stable individuals. KD dethrones LeBron in his prime and this is the results you get. Wacky, Cookoo, Phycoschamtical individuals just typing to type almost as a way to distract themselves from reality.

Sad life these people have man.... sad ****ing life.

It is truly sad that these guys might actually believe some of the shit they spew

[maybeshewill13]

wow

Did not even know that it was THAT bad:eek:

Worst choke of all time
http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

WITH 2 all-stars to help take pressure off him. Seriously, 2011 choke status will never be reached again. WOAT choke.

[chazzy]

Trying to determine a better passer by some pass-to-assist stat is hysterical.

Lebron may roll the ball to Chalmers in the backcourt, and it will be listed as a pass without an assist.

Or the play could call for Lebron to dump it off to Wade and then Lebron posts up.

Or it could call for Lebron to dump it off to Cole at the top of the key before the play actually starts.
There is no such total passes stat listed

[Illuminati]

Eye test says otherwise. Every time I watch OKC play on national television (only time I watch them, unless I'm waiting for a Heat game to start, other than that pretty boring team), when Durant passes to a teammate he yells "shoot it!" even if the defender is on him. Shit is beyond pathetic son.

[hahaitme]

We should just let the Durant stans have their fun for now. Gotta rack up the threads in reg. season while Durant is still relevant.

[chazzy]

Eye test says otherwise. Every time I watch OKC play on national television (only time I watch them, unless I'm waiting for a Heat game to start, other than that pretty boring team), when Durant passes to a teammate he yells "shoot it!" even if the defender is on him. Shit is beyond pathetic son.
:oldlol: wtf?

[russwest0]

Eye test says otherwise. Every time I watch OKC play on national television (only time I watch them, unless I'm waiting for a Heat game to start, other than that pretty boring team), when Durant passes to a teammate he yells "shoot it!" even if the defender is on him. Shit is beyond pathetic son.

You were better when you were trying to pretend to be a rational LBJ stan.

Now that the cats out of the bag and everyone knows you are silkk you might as well go back to silkk

[aj1987]

He is basically the same player that he was in the last year of the Celtics, he was dealing with injury then too, shooters have slumps it happens, he will get it back come playoff time,

You would think that Heat fans would respect the guy more considering HE IS THE SOLE REASON LEBRON IS A TWO TIME CHAMPION
How is he the SOLE reason? Do you have selective memory loss or something? Do you not remember LeBron scoring 16 points on 7/10 shooting to get Miami back into the game? Do you think Allen would've had a chance to hit that shot, if LeBron didn't singlehandedly carry the Heat in the 4th? Or maybe if he didn't go 1-6 prior to that shot, Miami wouldn't have been in that position. Anyways, it's a shot that he made a couple of thousand times in his career. If anything, Allen should thank LeBron for carrying his ass to a ring. Do you also not remember how shitty Allen was on the defensive end?

[maybeshewill13]

You were better when you were trying to pretend to be a rational LBJ stan.

Now that the cats out of the bag and everyone knows you are silkk you might as well go back to silkk
Everyone knew it was Silk as soon as he showed up lol. Guy is a clown.

[Illuminati]

Durant's passing is overrated. He goes out of his way to get assists, it doesn't come in the flow of the offense like LeBron's. You can tell easily when Durant is stat padding his points and when he's stat padding his assists. LeBron gives you a mixture of both, fairly sweet.

[Black and White]

How is he the SOLE reason? Do you have selective memory loss or something? Do you not remember LeBron scoring 16 points on 7/10 shooting to get Miami back into the game? Do you think Allen would've had a chance to hit that shot, if LeBron didn't singlehandedly carry the Heat in the 4th? Or maybe if he didn't go 1-6 prior to that shot, Miami wouldn't have been in that position. Anyways, it's a shot that he made a couple of thousand times in his career. If anything, Allen should thank LeBron for carrying his ass to a ring. Do you also not remember how shitty Allen was on the defensive end?

Would people give a shit about any of that if the Heat lost? No. Ray Allens one shot saved Brans career and you know it, he would have gone down as a dude that ringchased and could only win 1 ring,

Smh LeBron stans so quick to forget the man that saved them:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6I3BBn9mFM4/UcR6MzptnkI/AAAAAAAACZU/zRKL43WyUQ8/s1600/IMG_4643.PNG

[6 for 24]

How is he the SOLE reason? Do you have selective memory loss or something? Do you not remember LeBron scoring 16 points on 7/10 shooting to get Miami back into the game? Do you think Allen would've had a chance to hit that shot, if LeBron didn't singlehandedly carry the Heat in the 4th? Or maybe if he didn't go 1-6 prior to that shot, Miami wouldn't have been in that position. Anyways, it's a shot that he made a couple of thousand times in his career. If anything, Allen should thank LeBron for carrying his ass to a ring. Do you also not remember how shitty Allen was on the defensive end?

This is why I love Kobe so much. He puts everything on himself. By making a rule of never, ever, passing, the "Black Mamba" ensures that each victory will be his and his alone, unlike "King" James who has to share the glory with so many of his squires. Also: Passing is Overrated (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9488652&postcount=36).

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[chazzy]

OKC had the best offense last year and #5 this year, clearly Durant is disrupting the flow of the offense

[Illuminati]

LOL @ sole reason LeBron is a two time champion. Yea, his comeback in the fourth quarter, and clutch 3 before Allen's didn't have anything to do with it. Don't get it twisted, Allen's shot was clutch as ****. But let's not go overboard here.

Oh and what about Allen's 0 points in Game 7? Sole reason LeBron has two rings folks. :bowdown:

[aj1987]

Would people give a shit about any of that if the Heat lost? No. Ray Allens one shot saved Brans career and you know it, he would have gone down as a dude that ringchased and could only win 1 ring,

Smh LeBron stans so quick to forget the man that saved them:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHMdsusAnP_-pJ87EnvpNksW-ZxGmNI6Ln7xHVWnsWTtykD9BvL6AHOnR0
I couldn't care less about LeBron's career. Fact is Allen was a liability on the defensive end. The points that he scored, he gave up more on the defensive end. Even last year I was saying the same thing. If anything, Allen's shot deflected all the negative that he did in the playoffs, like being a liability on the defensive end. Remember what he did in Game 7? It was a pretty close game too. He scored 0 points on 0/4 shooting in 20 minutes. Couple that with being a shitty defender..:facepalm

FYI, Allen scored 10 points on 39% in the first 3 rounds.

[maybeshewill13]

OKC had the best offense last year and #5 this year, clearly Durant is disrupting the flow of the offense
Not that missing Westbrook half the season has anything to do with that.

[Black and White]

I couldn't care less about LeBron's career. Fact is Allen was a liability on the defensive end. The points that he scored, he gave up more on the defensive end. Even last year I was saying the same thing. If anything, Allen's shot deflected all the negative that he did in the playoffs, like being a liability on the defensive end. Remember what he did in Game 7? It was a pretty close game too. He scored 0 points on 0/4 shooting in 20 minutes. Couple that with being a shitty defender..:facepalm

Then why are you debating it?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

OKC had the best offense last year and #5 this year, clearly Durant is disrupting the flow of the offense
OKC is #5 in offense despite starting 2 of the worst offensive players in the league in Thabo and Porkins and thats with Westbrook missing 26 games
Miami is not even 1st despite not playing good defense and having one of the most stacked talented rosters. Wade, Bran, Bosh, Ray, Birdman, Chalmers (+23 in the Clippers game), Cole (underrated), Beasley and Oden.

[Illuminati]

OKC had the best offense last year and #5 this year, clearly Durant is disrupting the flow of the offense

LOL. Reading comprehension x20. Point out where I said he's "disrupting", please.

[aj1987]

Then why are you debating it?
My point is, Allen isn't as great as you guys portray him to be. He was more of a liability than an asset.

[Black and White]

My point is, Allen isn't as great as you guys portray him to be. He was more of a liability than an asset.

Fact: Without Ray Allen, LeBron is a 1 x champ with a 25% finals record,

Sorry guys

[Trollsmasher]

Fact: Without Ray Allen, LeBron is a 1 x champ with a 25% finals record,

Sorry guys
So you have seen that alternate reality?

New Zealand Technology:bowdown:

[The-Legend-24]

Everybody already knows KD is by far the best in the league.

[Illuminati]

Fact: Without Ray Allen, LeBron is a 1 x champ with a 25% finals record,

Sorry guys

Hypothetical situation = fact now? Only on ISH.

[chazzy]

LOL. Reading comprehension x20. Point out where I said he's "disrupting", please.
So if Durant "forcing his teammates to shoot and making passes that aren't in the flow of the offense" isn't actually disruptive to his team's elite offense, then what exactly is the issue?

[Black and White]

So you have seen that alternate reality?

New Zealand Technology:bowdown:

Why do you LeStans bash your own players teammates? The dude hit one of the biggest shots in finals history

[MastaKilla]

yikes there goes that myth

KD passing up on Lebron is so many categories.

[Illuminati]

So if Durant "forcing his teammates to shoot and making passes that aren't in the flow of the offense" isn't actually disruptive to his team's elite offense, then what exactly is the issue?

I was talking about Durant's individual play compared to LeBron's.

[aj1987]

Why do you LeStans bash your own players teammates? The dude hit one of the biggest shots in finals history
Now I know you are a box score watcher. Watch a few Heat games and you'll see how shitty Allen is. Dude was a beast, but he's washed up now.

[Trollsmasher]

Why do you LeStans bash your own players teammates? The dude hit one of the biggest shots in finals history
I think we all gave him props for that. That does not mean that he does not play like a shit most of the time.

[Black and White]

Now I know you are a box score watcher. Watch a few Heat games and you'll see how shitty Allen is. Dude was a beast, but he's washed up now.

..... and then he heats up come playoff time, this will look so stupid.

[Black and White]

I think we all gave him props for that. That does not mean that he does not play like a shit most of the time.

Shooters slump man, he will get it back

[Illuminati]

Black And White just argues for the sake of arguing, this conversation will go no where. Might as well just end it now.

[Trollsmasher]

Shooters slump man, he will get it back
45 games?:wtf:

His D means he would have to shoot 50% for his impact to be close to being positive anyway

[Black and White]

45 games?:wtf:

You clearly have no faith in your own player, did you not see what Fisher did against your Heat? Do you not think Ray can do that?

[Papaya Petee]

If the Heat 3-Peat this year and LeBron gets another Finals MVP holy shit I will quote every single retarded Durant stan and LeBron hater who thinks Durant is better. :roll: Some of these arguments people like Russwest have are so stupid they make my eyes bleed. No point in arguing with people beyond stupid.

Facts are facts kids, trophies are there, its LeBron's league until proven otherwise.

[Solefade]

russwest0, hamtaro, black and white be spewing the same stupid shit daily lol

[aj1987]

..... and then he heats up come playoff time, this will look so stupid.
Like how he shot 42% (from the 3) in the RS and 36% in the first 3 rounds? 34% against the Pacers. Let's also completely ignore how bad he is on the defensive end.

[chazzy]

If the Heat 3-Peat this year and LeBron gets another Finals MVP holy shit I will quote every single retarded Durant stan and LeBron hater who thinks Durant is better. :roll: Some of these arguments people like Russwest have are so stupid they make my eyes bleed. No point in arguing with people beyond stupid.

Facts are facts kids, trophies are there, its LeBron's league until proven otherwise.
Weren't you saying you can't wait for Lebron to leave so the Heat can go back to team ball and not stagnant isos just 24hrs ago?

[Black and White]

Like how he shot 42% (from the 3) in the RS and 36% in the first 3 rounds? 34% against the Pacers. Let's also completely ignore how bad he is on the defensive end.

Is he there for his defense? No

His role is to be a spot up shooter, hes there to hit the 3s yes hes having a slump but to say you dont want the greatest 3pt shooter of all time is taking it a bit too far.

[russwest0]

Has the greatest 3pt shooter of all time in addition to his stacked supporting cast.

Still needs more help.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Black and White]

Has the greatest 3pt shooter of all time in addition to his stacked supporting cast.

Still needs more help.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

They are saying they don't want him anymore

[KyrieTheFuture]

Ray Allen is averaging a career worst in 3pt% right now.

[aj1987]

Is he there for his defense? No

His role is to be a spot up shooter, hes there to hit the 3s yes hes having a slump but to say you dont want the greatest 3pt shooter of all time is taking it a bit too far.
'13 - 42% in the RS and 40% in the playoffs. 37% in the first 3 rounds. 34% against the Pacers. 0/4 in 20 minutes in Game 7 of the Finals. Also, why would I want him, if he's a liability. He's giving up more points on the defensive end, than he's scoring on the offensive end. The only argument you have is "greatest 3pt shooter"? I would have him if this was 3 or 4 years ago. Right now, the guy is 38 and washed up.

[Frozen1]

Are you serious with all these bullshit advanced stats for ASSISTS??

The only number that matters is how many assists you have, not what the % of your passes are assists.

F.uck you with all these bullshits, advanced stats are garbage.

Points, assists, FG% >>>> Any crappy advanced stat.

[Black and White]

'13 - 42% in the RS and 40% in the playoffs. 37% in the first 3 rounds. 34% against the Pacers. 0/4 in 20 minutes in Game 7 of the Finals. Also, why would I want him, if he's a liability. He's giving up more points on the defensive end, than he's scoring on the offensive end. The only argument you have is "greatest 3pt shooter"? I would have him if this was 3 or 4 years ago. Right now, the guy is 38 and washed up.

Any other team would want him, but he isn't good enough for you?

[maybeshewill13]

Black And White just argues for the sake of arguing, this conversation will go no where. Might as well just end it now.
Silkk ethered, beaten by a Kiwi :lol

[russwest0]

They are saying they don't want him anymore

Where were they when he hit the dagger last game vs the Clips while LeBron was choking the game away again?

You need a guy like that when you have a star like LeChoke.

[Black and White]

Where were they when he hit the dagger last game vs the Clips while LeBron was choking the game away again?

You need a guy like that when you have a star like LeChoke.

I knew Ray shouldn't have signed with the Heat, the fans are so ungrateful :facepalm

[Kingwillball]

Lebron is easily and clearly a better passer this should not even be a question by anyone.

[JT123]

Yes, surely no one else has LeBrons GOAT court vision of running down the shot clock and then with a few seconds left kicking it out to one of two-three 40% 3pt shooters
:facepalm Do your research boy. The Heat don't have any 40 percent 3 point shooters this year.

[Leftimage]

This just confirms what the non box score scouters already knew.

Disses box scorer scouters.

Embraces ''advanced'' stats.

:facepalm :facepalm

Watch entire games bro. Appreciate defensive impact. (b...b...but Durant has more steals!)

Durant has closed the gap and right now they're in a 1a/1b sort of dynamic with the rest of the league far behind. Lebron's impact is greater. Lebron is more feared by opponents. Lebron is more of a two-way player. Lebron is 1A.

Is Durant having a better season? Only if we're basing this on each player's respective standards. Durant is having his best season as a pro. Lebron is having an average season by his standards. If this ''trend'' continues then Durant will probably be considered better in a season or two.

Not yet though !

[russwest0]

:facepalm Do your research boy. The Heat don't have any 40 percent 3 point shooters this year.

Huh? I thought LeBron hasn't regressed? At least thats what I've heard from the Heat fans on here.

[Trollsmasher]

Huh? I thought LeBron hasn't regressed? At least thats what I've heard from the Heat fans on here.
http://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/circular-reasoning.jpg

[JT123]

I knew Ray shouldn't have signed with the Heat, the fans are so ungrateful :facepalm
You clearly don't even watch the Heat, cause if you did you would know why Heat fans have been hard on Ray this year. He can't defend, turns the ball over every time he tries to create off the dribble, and is shooting a career low 34 percent from deep despite all of his looks being wide open. :facepalm
He's still a reliable free throw shooter, but that's about it these days. :(

[Black and White]

You clearly don't even watch the Heat, cause if you did you would know why Heat fans have been hard on Ray this year. He can't defend, turns the ball over every time he tries to create off the dribble, and is shooting a career low 34 percent from deep despite all of his looks being wide open. :facepalm
He's still a reliable free throw shooter, but that's about it these days. :(

I understand all that, but to say you don't want him anymore is taking it too far

[JT123]

Huh? I thought LeBron hasn't regressed? At least thats what I've heard from the Heat fans on here.
So far the whole team has regressed with 3 point shooting. However, we aren't going to say Lebron has regressed completely until we see how he ends the season. There is still a lot of basketball left to be played.

[aj1987]

I knew Ray shouldn't have signed with the Heat, the fans are so ungrateful :facepalm
Boxscore watcher alert.

[Leftimage]

yikes there goes that myth

KD passing up on Lebron is so many categories.

KD is just beginning to climb up towards Lebron's otherwordly dimension now. Lebron is literally better than him at every aspect of bball outside of jump shooting and free throws.

KD fans should be thankful & proud that their player has reached Lebron's tier. Instead they think he's better? Give me a break.

http://i.imgur.com/nhURXwh.png

[ArbitraryWater]

Hypothetical situation = fact now? Only on ISH.

:roll: LMFAO Black and White I guess... guy makes the funniest posts on ISH.

[ArbitraryWater]

You clearly have no faith in your own player, did you not see what Fisher did against your Heat? Do you not think Ray can do that?

:lol This guy is so worried about the Heat's players. Fans arent even allowed to call out their teams players anymore, they play bad? HAVE FAITH!!!

:roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LEBron is the clear cut better passer than Durant and always will be
LeBron is top 10 GOAT passer:biggums: :coleman:

[knicksman]

Yeah, Durant's been better than Lebron this season. Wasn't that already the consensus? :confusedshrug:

not just this season but any season of lebron

[LongLiveTheKing]

LeBron's a better passer, playmaker, and defender. KD just a better scorer.
Lebron>>>KD

[knicksman]

LeBron's a better passer, playmaker, and defender. KD just a better scorer.
Lebron>>>KD


LMAO.. not in the playoffs

[NumberSix]

LMAO.. not in the playoffs

What did each of them do in last years playoffs? :confusedshrug:

[livinglegend]

Has the greatest 3pt shooter of all time in addition to his stacked supporting cast.

Still needs more help.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm
You are so stupid that you make Derrick Rose look intelligent.

First, if you put 60+ years old Bill Russell on the Heat, would Heat be more stacked? ( Hint: They would have one of the greastest players of all-time on their team :facepalm )

Second, you said he has the greatest 3pt shooter of all time in addition to his stacked supporting implying that Allen is not part of that stacked cast. :facepalm

[DaSeba5]

LMAO.. not in the playoffs

For somebody who has Knicks in their name, I never see you talk about your own team.

[russwest0]

LeBron's a better passer, playmaker, and defender. KD just a better scorer.
Lebron>>>KD

>>>>>>Actually believing that LeBron is a better defender

Do people actually do this?

[JT123]

For somebody who has Knicks in their name, I never see you talk about your own team.
That's because he's not a Knicks fan, he's one of ripthekik's alts. :rolleyes:
You aren't fooling anyone ripthekik, rip2, ruswest0, or whatever you want to call yourself. :coleman:

[NumberSix]

>>>>>>Actually believing that LeBron is a better defender

Do people actually do this?

1 through 5.



#thoughtyouknew

[knicksman]

What did each of them do in last years playoffs? :confusedshrug:

why only last yr?When lebron already formed a superteam for him to be bailed out

[JT123]

>>>>>>Actually believing that LeBron is a better defender

Do people actually do this?
Can Durant guard Centers? :biggums: Lebron can

[knicksman]

For somebody who has Knicks in their name, I never see you talk about your own team.


join date jul 2012..looks like you joined after heat won:lol

[knicksman]

Can Durant guard Centers? :biggums: Lebron can

who cares? The only thing that matters is durant can guard lebron while lebron cant:lol

[russwest0]

Can Durant guard Centers? :biggums: Lebron can

He did a damn good job on Marc Gasol in the playoffs last year.

[JT123]

What did each of them do in last years playoffs? :confusedshrug:
You are a good man. Actually debating with this clearly lonely man who only makes Lebron troll posts because he is starved for attention. :applause:

[StrongLurk]

The premise of this thread is really dumb and essentially meaningless.

[JT123]

He did a damn good job on Marc Gasol in the playoffs last year.
Durant couldn't even guard Chalmers in the 2012 Finals. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

So wait, in addition to being a better defender, rebounder, and scorer, Durant is now a better playmaker?

Holy shit :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[russwest0]

Durant couldn't even guard Chalmers in the 2012 Finals. :oldlol:

LeBron couldn't even guard Lance Stephenson in the 2013 ECF :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

LeBron couldn't even guard Lance Stephenson in the 2013 ECF :oldlol:

Yeah, he couldn't defend Lance.........








HE WAS TOO BUSY DEFENDING HIS CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron couldn't even guard Lance Stephenson in the 2013 ECF :oldlol:
9 ppg on 44% TS:wtf:

I guess LeBron could've done better against him:lol

[JT123]

LeBron couldn't even guard Lance Stephenson in the 2013 ECF :oldlol:
At least Lance is a borderline All Star. Chalmers is the worst starting point guard in the league! :roll:

[russwest0]

Chalmers is the worst starting point guard in the league

How to beat a LeBron stan, exhibit a: let them ramble on until they reveal how knowledgeable they are on the sport of basketball/league of NBA. These clowns kill their own credibility rather easily, just have to bait them into talking a bit

[JT123]

How to beat a LeBron stan, exhibit a: let them ramble on until they reveal how knowledgeable they are on the sport of basketball/league of NBA. These clowns kill their own credibility rather easily, just have to bait them into talking a bit
Name me one worse than him. It's not Chalmers lack of skill that makes him the worst, it's his dumb decision making. :banghead:
I would rather have Felton. At least he doesn't commit dumb flagrant fouls at the worst possible time of the game. :facepalm

[NumberSix]

Name me one worse than him. It's not Chalmers lack of skill that makes him the worst, it's his dumb decision making. :banghead:
I would rather have Felton. At least he doesn't commit dumb flagrant fouls at the worst possible time of the game. :facepalm

Rio rains piss on KD

[knicksman]

You are a good man. Actually debating with this clearly lonely man who only makes Lebron troll posts because he is starved for attention. :applause:

GoronDragon. The ultimate beta and whipping boy of ISH:lol

[aj1987]

Good god. If Miami wins this year, this forum is gonna go to shit. If Miami loses this year, the forum goes to shit as well. :facepalm

[MASH Transit]

Durant couldn't even guard Chalmers in the 2012 Finals. :oldlol:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0526/dal_g_terryj_300.jpg

[red1]

Im torn between durfreethrow and dubeta. Both are equally hilarious. A darkhorse contender is durchoke.