Kobe 2005-2006 is the GOAT perimeter season

[Dizzle-2k7]

35/5/5/2 in 80 games. top 10 in points and steals.

*Posted a franchise record 27 40-plus point games and six 50-plus point games ... Led team in assists 28 times

*Scored a career-high 81 points (55 in 2nd half) on 28-of-46 shooting from the field 1/22/06

*Scored a 62 points in 33 minutes on 18-of-31 shooting

*Recorded his 4th straight game of 45-plus points with 45 points and a season-high tying 10 rebounds 1/9 vs. Indiana (1st player since Chamberlain in November of 1964 and 3rd player ever (Baylor) to do so)

All this amazingness while being DOUBLE TEAMMED and TRIPLE TEAMED every night. Carried a sack of losers to the playoffs and almost upset a great Phoenix team.

Laker Starters that year: Smush Parker, Kobe, Devean George, Odom, Kwame Brown :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

45 wins with a D-League lineup in the WEST! Every night was a highlight show.. dunks, threes, crossovers, facials, gamewinners......

:bowdown: GOAT Perimeter Season. Imagine that Kobe on a championship squad :eek:

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[Marlo_Stanfield]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums: :no: :coleman:

[LAZERUSS]

35.4 ppg in a league that had a "pace" of 90.5.

[Dizzle-2k7]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums: :no: :coleman:

27 40+ games, 6 50+ games.. that is absurd. im not surprised you have NO ARGUMENT, PEDESTRIAN.

MOVE ALONG. :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

It was just a fantastic season. I don't think anyone can compare to that.

Maybe only Wilt.

[Dizzle-2k7]

35.4 ppg in a league that had a "pace" of 90.5.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Epic stat broseidon.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LEBrons 2012-13 Season alone was better not even talkin about some of his ultra dominant Cavs seasons :roll: :roll: :facepalm

[aj1987]

MJ's '87 season laughs at this season.

- 8 50 point games

- 37 40 point games

- 9 straight 40 point games

- 3 straight 50 point games (54.7/7.4/4.3/4.0/2.0 on 60%)

- Averaged 37.1/5.2/4.6/2.9/1.5 on 56% TS

[Vienceslav]

86/87 Jordan comes to mind.
edit: the pace was 100 and in 2006 it was 90, whatever that means.
They are probably very similar.

[Will10]

so unstoppable but just a team of sh*t and played in the west such a waste of his peak:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nah

[Marlo_Stanfield]

MJ's '87 season laughs at this season.

- 8 50 point games

- 37 40 point games

- 9 straight 40 point games

- 3 straight 50 point games (54.7/7.4/4.3/4.0/2.0 on 60%)

- Averaged 37.1/5.2/4.6/2.9/1.5 on 56% TS
Great season from the 4th best player ever:applause: :applause:

[Inferno]

The 90 pace makes it very impressive.

[TheMarkMadsen]

86/87 Jordan comes to mind.
edit: the pace was 100 and in 2006 it was 90, whatever that means.
They are probably very similar.


:applause:

the only contender

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's definitely up there. Specifically in terms of PPG, or scoring feats, probably the 2nd greatest. Lack of team success, and impact on defense keep it from being considered truly GOAT. Plus, many of Jordan's best seasons both scoring including all around play or Wade's singular best rival or exceed this. LeBron as well.

[Dizzle-2k7]

It's definitely up there. Specifically in terms of PPG, or scoring feats. One of the greatest, most impressive individual scoring seasons surely. Lack of team success, and impact on defense keep it from being considered truly GOAT. Plus, many of Jordan's best seasons or Wade's singular best rival or exceed this. LeBron as well.


pg : smush parker
sg : kobe
sf : devean george
pf : lamar odom
c : kwame brown

that is the worst starting line up of all time for any star player. no other greats have played with worse and done good. wade had a 15 win season i believe LOL.

kobe won 45 with those scrubs. :bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

pg : smush parker
sg : kobe
sf : devean george
pf : lamar odom
c : kwame brown

that is the worst starting line up of all time for any star player. no other greats have played with worse and done good. wade had a 15 win season i believe LOL.

kobe won 45 with those scrubs. :bowdown:
and quit on his team like never seen before in the playoffs:applause:

[aj1987]

and quit on his team like never seen before in the playoffs:applause:
You must've been in a coma during the 2011 Finals.

[Inferno]

Why isn't this Marlo ****** banned yet?

[SamuraiSWISH]

that is the worst starting line up of all time for any star player. no other greats have played with worse and done good.
Jordan's 1988 > Kobe's 2006

Jordan had just as bad of a roster, went much further in the playoffs. Had clearly a superior playoff performance. Oh, he averaged 35 ppg, 6 apg, and 6 rpg, 3 spg

Plus DPOY + MVP over prime Magic Johnson.

Kobe took the defensive side of the ball off for much of his 2006 campaign. Oh for players with comparable crap rosters, with amazing individual seasons like Kobe's 2006 leading to 1st round knock out in playoffs?

McGrady's 2003 Magic
LeBron's 2008 Cavs (went to 2nd round)
Wade's 2009 Heat

I know this is an attention seeking troll thread, but still. I had to set the record straight.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's definitely up there. Specifically in terms of PPG, or scoring feats, probably the 2nd greatest. Lack of team success, and impact on defense keep it from being considered truly GOAT. Plus, many of Jordan's best seasons both scoring including all around play or Wade's singular best rival or exceed this. LeBron as well.

2009 Wade, 1986 Bird, 1988 and 1989 Magic, Lebron 2009, Lebron 2012 were all better. Jordan? He alone had like 3-4 seasons better than 2006 Kobe.

[aj1987]

Great season from the 4th best player ever:applause: :applause:
Found your alt account dude.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7160072&postcount=6

[Vienceslav]

McGrady's 2003 Magic
LeBron's 2008 Cavs (went to 2nd round)
Wade's 2009 Heat

That's in the 00's East, you should know better.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Jordan's 1988 > Kobe's 2006

Jordan had just as bad of a roster, went much further in the playoffs. Had clearly a superior playoff performance. Oh, he averaged 35 ppg, 6 apg, and 6 rpg, 3 spg

Plus DPOY + MVP over prime Magic Johnson.

Kobe took the defensive side of the ball off for much of his 2006 campaign. Oh for players with comparable crap rosters, with amazing individual seasons like Kobe's 2006 leading to 1st round knock out in playoffs?

McGrady's 2003 Magic
LeBron's 2008 Cavs (went to 2nd round)
Wade's 2009 Heat

I know this is an attention seeking troll thread, but still. I had to set the record straight.


Just stop, the 2008 cavs had a FAR superior cast around Lebron

[Jacks3]

totally arbitrary but last 61 games of that season:

37 PPG
6 RPG
5 APG
2+ SPG
58% TS
116 ORTG
30+ PER

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Found your alt account dude.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7160072&postcount=6
that aint my damn alt man. just because i have a different opinion than you:biggums:

[SamuraiSWISH]

That's in the 00's East, you should know better.
Wade, and McGrady had even less talent playing along side them than Kobe. Nor did those guys have by this point one of the GOAT coaches, Phil Jackson leading their respective teams.

So it balances itself out in the overall scheme of things.

And no, I don't think the 2008 Cavaliers outside of LeBron were significantly more talented than Kobe's 2006 or 2007 Lakers. It was the weakest roster of his tenure in Cleveland.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade, and McGrady had even less talent playing along side them than Kobe. Nor did those guys have by this point one of the GOAT coaches, Phil Jackson leading their respective teams.

So it balances itself out in the overall scheme of things.

And no, I don't think the 2008 Cavaliers outside of LeBron were significantly more talented than Kobe's 2006 or 2007 Lakers. It was the weakest roster of his tenure in Cleveland.

better players and way more depth

Brian Cook starting for half the season? Chris Mihm the starting center? Smush Parker, Devean George & Luke Walton in the back court? come on man

[The-Legend-24]

Yes, yes it is.

[SamuraiSWISH]

better players and way more depth
I just checked the rosters. And you're right in that regard. 2008 Cavs had marginally better talent, but definitely more depth. Kobe definitely had the better second option than LeBron in Lamar Odom.

As opposed to old ass Ilgauskus, their second leading scorer at 14 ppg. Larry Hughes, who missed half the season. Mr. Inconsistent, Drew Gooden ... and Boobie Gibson? They're not way more talented, but they were probably deeper. Giving you that. Marginally more talented.

And like I also said, Phil Jackson got more out of his talent, especially with the triangle offense than Mr. Potato Head Brown did with the 2008 Cavaliers. I know you hate LeBron, but you're not even being logical right now. You can't concede the massive difference in quality coaching?

[Droid101]

I just checked the rosters. And you're right in that regard. 2008 Cavs had marginally better talent, but definitely more depth. Kobe definitely had the better second option than LeBron in Lamar Odom.

As opposed to old ass Ilgauskus, their second leading scorer at 14 ppg. Larry Hughes, who missed half the season. Mr. Inconsistent, Drew Gooden ... and Boobie Gibson? They're not way more talented, but they were probably deeper. Giving you that. Marginally more talented.

And like I also said, Phil Jackson got more out of his talent, especially with the triangle offense than Mr. Potato Head Brown did with the 2008 Cavaliers. I know you hate LeBron, but you're not even being logical right now. You can't concede the massive difference in quality coaching?
Check their supporting three point percentages and team defense. Cavs had way better support than Kobe Lakers man.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Check their supporting three point percentages and team defense. Cavs had way better support than Kobe Lakers man.
Did you not read what I just wrote?

[9erempiree]

Did you not read what I just wrote?

We read it. Then we read it again. You are still wrong.

[Smoke117]

Wade's 2009 season is easily better (because of defense and the fact that Wade is top class playing pg when he isn't even one) and that was just 3 years later. So GOAT perimeter season? Hardly.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I just checked the rosters. And you're right. Kobe had the better second option than LeBron.

As opposed to old ass Ilgauskus, their second leading scorer at 14 ppg. Larry Hughes, who missed half the season. Mr. Inconsistent, Drew Gooden ... and Boobie Gibson? They're not way more talented, but they were probably deeper. Giving you that. Marginally more talented.

And like I also said, Phil Jackson got more out of his talent, especially with the triangle offense than Mr. Potato Head Brown did with the 2008 Cavaliers. I know you hate LeBron, but you're not even being logical right now. You can't concede the massive difference in quality coaching?

If Drew Gooden is Mr Inconsistent then what is Lamar Odom?

That Cavs team had far more talent you can't be serious

Boobie Gibson shooting five 3's per game at a 44% clip.. not one Laker came close to that

Larry Hughes was still a very good perimeter defender at the time, Delonte West came off the bench and was better than any guard the Lakers had outside of Kobe

Lakers had no big man depth, their starting center averaged 6.6 rebounds per game, while the 08 Cavs had 4 other players grabbing more rebounds per game, Big Z, Gooden, Andy V, Ben Wallace >> Brian Cook, Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown & Chris Mihm.

are you really sitting here saying Lamar Odom, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown & Devean George >> Big Z, Delonte West, Anderson Varejo, Drew Gooden, Boobie Gibson & Larry Hughes?

[Jameerthefear]

Nope.

[Young X]

Jordan alone has at least 8 seasons that are better.

[Cold soul]

It ranks right up there. Top 3-4 to me for any perimeter player season when you factor in scoring and the cast Kobe had. :pimp:

[SamuraiSWISH]

are you really sitting here saying Lamar Odom, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown & Devean George >> Big Z, Delonte West, Anderson Varejo, Drew Gooden, Boobie Gibson & Larry Hughes?

:facepalm


I just checked the rosters. And you're right in that regard. 2008 Cavs had marginally better talent, but definitely more depth. Kobe definitely had the better second option than LeBron in Lamar Odom.

[Audio One]

Nope.


http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-dunks-in-dwight-howards-face-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

[The Iron Fist]

35.4 ppg in a league that had a "pace" of 90.5.
Who else did it then?

[Cold soul]

Kobe was unreal that season.

[Audio One]

Love Bean, and this season was off the chain, but I personally Elgin Baylor's '63 season, or Oscar's triple-double season. And in b4 inflated stats, like everyone was averaging that back then

[sportjames23]

Great season from the 4th best player ever:applause: :applause:


Better than Lebron ever was.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Better than Lebron ever was.
Lebron is in your fricken username thats just pathetic dude.
And kobe better? Nah:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

You must've been in a coma during the 2011 Finals.

:roll: :roll:
:applause:

[riseagainst]

Lebron is in your fricken username thats just pathetic dude.
And kobe better? Nah:oldlol:

maybe he used to be a fan of lebron until all these lebrontards ruined it for him?
there are actually logical people on this forum, you know.
:rolleyes:

[nzahir]

45% shooting...lmfao:oldlol: :lol :roll:

AND a 1st round exit, up 3-1 and choked.

Mj's 1986=1987 season and then lebrons 12-13(27,8,7, 2 steals, 1 block, 56.5% fg, over 40% from 3 and he was the best perimeter defender that year or tony allen)

[T_L_P]

Change the title to GOAT regular season (which it still isn't), because Kobe that post-season was :roll:

[Micku]

One of the best, but not the best. Kobe was a monster that year.

[ImKobe]

I'd disagree due to a few points:

1) Kobe didn't achieve anything besides a scoring title
2) Lakers finished 7th in the West and choked a 3 - 1 series lead
3) While his PPG is impressive, MJ has many seasons with much better stats, MJ put up 2 consecutive 35+ ppg seasons(and other monster years from 87-93) on much higher efficiency while also leading the league in steals and winning the DPOY and the scoring title.

[OldSchoolBBall]

While Kobe's '06 is comparable to MJ's 1987 as a SCORING season, Jordan's absurd defensive stats and energy put him over the top CLEARLY. 2.9 stl/1.5 blk? Becoming the first player to ever record 200+ stl/100+ blk in a season? Absurd.

[Jlamb47]

it is not GOAT but id say top 3

[andgar923]

While Kobe's '06 is comparable to MJ's 1987 as a SCORING season, Jordan's absurd defensive stats and energy put him over the top CLEARLY. 2.9 stl/1.5 blk? Becoming the first player to ever record 200+ stl/100+ blk in a season? Absurd.

Something people always overlook.

MJ played a complete game on both ends even when he was on scoring spurts.

Other things worth considering:

The way the game was played was different. If MJ played today he'd have the luxury of standing on the perimeter for most of the game defensively since isolation and long range shooting is dominant. Back then, Mj had to run around through screens all game long even if his man wasn't a threat offensively. So forget the more physical tougher defense he had to face, he exerted more energy and got beat up while he was playing defense.

People keep brining up 'Pace' so much. But if you're taking the same amount of shots and you control the ball for the majority of the time it negates any argument. Why is the pace different? because players are hogging the ball playing iso basketball and not moving it around. This is clearly obvious for anybody that's ever seen the game.

MJ was getting doubled and tripled teamed on damn near every possession, moreso than any other star player not named Shaq. Combine that with the clogged lanes, the physical play, the way teams tried to tire him offensively (when MJ played defense) and it becomes more amazing once we get some true perspective on the so-called 'pace' argument.

[aau]

Jordan's absurd defense - the first player to ever record 200+ stl/100+ blk in a season?

yet

with all of that

he couldn't scratch 1st or 2nd team all-defense

[SamuraiSWISH]

While Kobe's '06 is comparable to MJ's 1987 as a SCORING season, Jordan's absurd defensive stats and energy put him over the top CLEARLY. 2.9 stl/1.5 blk? Becoming the first player to ever record 200+ stl/100+ blk in a season? Absurd.
Just compare their best scoring seasons, Jordan's averaged more, and roughly about equal to Kobe's best scoring season, while clearly being superior everywhere else when averaging those superior PPG numbers as well:

Jordan 37.1
Jordan 35.0
Jordan 32.5
Jordan 33.6
Jordan 31.5
Jordan 30.1
Jordan 32.6
Jordan 30.4
Jordan 29.7
Jordan 28.7

Kobe 35.4
Kobe 31.6
Kobe 30.0
Kobe 28.5

[BoutPractice]

It was definitely one of the most epic scoring seasons ever, if only for the its ridiculous highs.

That said, that season was a bit of an anomaly in terms of scoring: Allen Iverson averaged 33, LeBron averaged 31.4, and Gilbert Arenas averaged 29.3.
To put it in perspective, no player has averaged better than LeBron's 31.4 since, even though he was third in scoring that year! (Durant might make it over 31.4 this year - it's shaping up to be more of a crazy stats year anyway - but he certainly won't make it over Iverson's 33.)
In fact, Gilbert Arenas, 4th in scoring that season, would have led the league in scoring each of the past three seasons.

2006 is a bit reminiscent of 1962, where you had Wilt's 50 point average and Oscar Robertson's 30 point triple double.

[Big#50]

Has anyone mentioned how the rule changes helped him so much? Still a top three season ever for a guard.

[moe94]

Better than Lebron ever was.

:roll:

Kobe's season is arguably not even top 5. In fact, it definitely isn't because there are at least 4 Jordan seasons that are better.

[Deuce Bigalow]

It was definitely one of the most epic scoring seasons ever, if only for the its ridiculous highs.

That said, that season was a bit of an anomaly in terms of scoring: Allen Iverson averaged 33, LeBron averaged 31.4, and Gilbert Arenas averaged 29.3.
To put it in perspective, no player has averaged better than LeBron's 31.4 since, even though he was third in scoring that year! (Durant might make it over 31.4 this year - it's shaping up to be more of a crazy stats year anyway - but he certainly won't make it over Iverson's 33.)
In fact, Gilbert Arenas, 4th in scoring that season, would have led the league in scoring each of the past three seasons.

2006 is a bit reminiscent of 1962, where you had Wilt's 50 point average and Oscar Robertson's 30 point triple double.
Kobe averaged 31.6 in 2006-07.

[BoutPractice]

Oh, right, missed that one, thanks :cheers:

The point still stands, either that season was an anomaly for some reason or people don't praise the other members of the scoring top 4 that year for a truly rare performance - particularly Iverson, who's almost never mentioned that year.

Which doesn't detract anything from Kobe's greatness that year. He unleashed the God Mode, no question.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh, right, missed that one, thanks :cheers:

The point still stands, either that season was an anomaly for some reason or people don't praise the other members of the scoring top 4 that year for a truly rare performance - particularly Iverson, who's almost never mentioned that year.
Which doesn't detract anything from Kobe's greatness that year. He unleashed the God Mode, no question.
Iverson also averaged 7.4 apg (3 more than Kobe) and shot the same FG% (Kobe took 2x more 3s than AI).

[Levity]

Nope.

did you enjoy watching that season while in a diaper, sitting in your crib sucking your pacifier?

[aau]

Just compare their best scoring seasons

......... PPG ... FGA ... FTA .... SPG ... Tot

Jordan 37.1 - 2279 -- 972 -- 28/12 -- 40
Jordan 35.0 - 1998 -- 860 -- 24/10 -- 34
Jordan 32.5 - 1795 -- 793 -- 22/10 -- 32
Jordan 33.6 - 1964 -- 699 -- 24/08 -- 32
Jordan 31.5 - 1837 -- 671 -- 22/08 -- 30
Jordan 30.1 - 1818 -- 590 -- 22/07 -- 29
Jordan 32.6 - 2003 -- 569 -- 25/07 -- 32
Jordan 30.4 - 1850 -- 657 -- 22/08 -- 30

.

Kobe 35.4 --- 2173 -- 819 -- 27/10 -- 37
Kobe 31.6 --- 1757 -- 768 -- 23/10 -- 33
Kobe 30.0 --- 1924 -- 713 -- 23/08 -- 31



you can say 87 jordan averaged 37 on 28 spg but
it wouldn't be accurate as that would wipe out
833 FTs on damn near 1000 attempts . . .

it would only be correct if he'd been fouled on each
of his FGAs , , , , which we know wasn't the case

40 shots to average 37

vs

37 shots to avg 35

.

but kobe's the lone chucker

[aj1987]

you can say 87 jordan averaged 37 on 28 spg but
it wouldn't be accurate as that would wipe out
833 FTs on damn near 1000 attempts . . .

it would only be correct if he'd been fouled on each
of his FGAs , , , , which we know wasn't the case

40 shots to average 37

vs

37 shots to avg 35

.

but kobe's the lone chucker
Kobe - 55.9% TS
MJ - 56.2% TS
Both their efficiencies was similar.

[NumberSix]

50 PPG season >

[moe94]

50 PPG season >

Wilt was the best back then right now.

[NumberSix]

How is it a top 5 season ever if he didn't even win an MVP or a ring and didn't do shit in the playoffs?

[SamuraiSWISH]

50 PPG season >
Adjusted for on average modern NBA pace? It's not going to be 50 ppg. They had WAY more possessions in that era. A couple possession difference isn't a big deal in the overall scheme of things, but they had a HUGE difference in pace and number of possessions a game.

[SexSymbol]

From perimeter player it's top 5
From everybody it's top 10.
Just counting the regular season obviously.

[Replay32]

Jordan's 1988 > Kobe's 2006

Jordan had just as bad of a roster, went much further in the playoffs. Had clearly a superior playoff performance. Oh, he averaged 35 ppg, 6 apg, and 6 rpg, 3 spg

Plus DPOY + MVP over prime Magic Johnson.

Kobe took the defensive side of the ball off for much of his 2006 campaign. Oh for players with comparable crap rosters, with amazing individual seasons like Kobe's 2006 leading to 1st round knock out in playoffs?

McGrady's 2003 Magic
LeBron's 2008 Cavs (went to 2nd round)
Wade's 2009 Heat

I know this is an attention seeking troll thread, but still. I had to set the record straight.

This is true. And this is what really pissed me off about kobe's 2006 and 2007 season. I watched every game and overall his defense was terrible. More so his team defensive assignments and rotations.

[Replay32]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-dunks-in-dwight-howards-face-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif


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