08-09 Brandon Roy vs 2012-2013 Harden

[Papaya Petee]

Roy averaged 22\5\5 on a Portland team that finished 54-28.

Harden averaged 26\5\5 on a Houston team that finished 45-37.

Both teams got bounced 2-4 in the first round, with Roy's Blazers losing with home court advantage.
Harden's Rockets were going to get swept by OKC but a Westbrook injury kept their playoff hopes alive for a couple games

Who was better? GO.

[JohnFreeman]

Roy. Roy also doesn't have a stupid beard which no one finds cool anymore.

[Derivative]

Roy and it's not even close

[Sakkreth]

Ofc Roy, wtf is this.

[CelticBaller]

Roy

OP is on crack for asking this

[MUGEN]

BRoy! wtf kind of a Q is this? it's not even close


god I miss seeing him play :(

[Mass Debator]

Roy. Roy also doesn't have a stupid beard which no one finds cool anymore.
I find this to be right on the money.

[Milbuck]

Roy and it's not even remotely close. Honestly, 2012-2013 Harden vs high school freshman Roy would be a closer comparison.

[Meticode]

Roy

OP is on crack for asking this
Personal crack experiences? How long did you do crack?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Roy was better, and was improving before injury. Guy had an actual in between, mid range game. Which is the hall mark of a great player, and the greatest perimeter scorers.

In the playoffs that's where you beat people. Otherwise you can be exposed. Ask LeBron. In the playoffs they actually challenge threes, and defend the rim. Not as many slop foul calls to get to the line.

[gyu]

I'm a rockets fan and I say Roy quite easily.let's not forget that the blazers played at a much slower pace.

[robert de niro]

Roy was a killer, harden got no chance in this discussion

[Jailblazers7]

Roy was better, and was improving before injury. Guy had an actual in between, mid range game. Which is the hall mark of a great player, and the greatest perimeter scorers.

In the playoffs that's where you beat people. Otherwise you can be exposed. Ask LeBron. In the playoffs they actually challenge threes, and defend the rim. Not as many slop foul calls to get to the line.

Roy had a nice post-up game too. I think he was just a much more versatile scorer than Harden and his effort on defense was way better.

[gin17]

Roy in almost all aspects. dunno if their can be any argument for harden at this point

[moe94]

Roy and it's not even remotely close. Honestly, 2012-2013 Harden vs high school freshman Roy would be a closer comparison.

Honestly, huh?:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Roy had a nice post-up game too. I think he was just a much more versatile scorer than Harden and his effort on defense was way better.
His post game was decent. His off the dribble game, craftiness, and jumper was off the charts. His innate feel for the game, when to put his team on his shoulder and take over with his scoring was that of the greats like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade, and West. Shame what happened to his knees. He'd probably be the game's best SG now. I definitely rather have him than Harden. Pretty sure his intangibles, and intelligence were superior as well.

[Proctor]

Harden doesn't even belong in the same discussion.

[Mr Exlax]

Harden!

Oh wait I thought yall were talking about right now. Yeah it's Roy then.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Beyond the talent Roy had charisma and leadership, two things that Harden lack.

[Jailblazers7]

His post game was decent. His off the dribble game, craftiness, and jumper was off the charts. His innate feel for the game, when to put his team on his shoulder and take over with his scoring was that of the greats like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade, and West. Shame what happened to his knees. He'd probably be the game's best SG now. I definitely rather have him than Harden. Pretty sure his intangibles, and intelligence were superior as well.

His craftiness and use of his dribble honestly reminds me of Steph Curry a bit. Not the shooting obviously but the grace that they play with is similar. I definitely agree about his feel for the game and the big moment too.

[Papaya Petee]

Roy was really something special to watch before the knees went bad. He was clearly the #3 SG in the league behind Prime Wade and Kobe at the time. Sad because he would of been the best SG in the league by now.

[moe94]

Roy would be the best SG in the league today if not for injuries. He had it all and played some hardcore Killer Instinct in the arcades. One of the few times that stupid ass term has meaning.

[RoseCity07]

If this tells you anything prime Roy would be the best team on the current Blazers. He was the best player I've ever seen play for Portland. He could do it all. Just check what Kobe said about him.

[red1]

clearly roy

[mugiwara]

Thread has been done before, answer is still Roy.

[NuggetsFan]

Harden. Brandon Roy was easily the most overrated player. One of the best aspects of Roy's game was his craftiness, which Harden beats him at. Harden got to the line what, like 10 times per game that season? Looking like Manu out there. Harden averaged 6 assists per game that season too, if your rounding up. Roy was the smarter player but I like Harden better at breaking down the D. Roy was always below average defensively too. He was deceptively athletic and can throw down but his footspeed was lacking. Atleast Harden forces turnovers.

Equal at rebounding, comparable passers but Roy has a higher IQ, Harden is the better shooter and scorer. Harden deff makes more mistakes, best part of Roy's offensive game was he always did the right thing. Defensively I'd take Harden too. Harden scored more points that year than Roy ever did in his entire career, taking similar amounts of shots per game too. Roy was clutch and had a few big hero shots but not enough to make it up.

Last but not least we all forget how TERRIBLE Brandon Roy was away from the ball. Easily the worst part of his game. Without the ball he was useless, take away Harden's knee's and his shooting and craftiness still helps him knock down 14-16 a game probably. Without the ball Roy sat by the 3 point line for 24 seconds.

[Xiao Yao You]

Roy certainly.

[dunksby]

Roy. Roy also doesn't have a stupid beard which no one finds cool anymore.
Can't believe I agree with you on something.

[Smook A.]

Harden had better stats but Roy was the overall package. If Harden played more defense and added more leadership I'd pick him over roy obviously. 26/6/5 with defense and leadership > 22/5/5 with defense and leadership

Since Harden doesn't play d, I'll have to pick Roy

[JohnFreeman]

Can't believe I agree with you on something.
:cheers:

[bballbball]

Every Harden vs. anybody thread is a sneaky "let's bash Harden thread" now.

[Smook A.]

Every Harden vs. anybody thread is a sneaky "let's bash Harden thread" now.
Yup. It's pretty sad

[Joshumitsu]

Roy played on the slowest team in the league. Granted, his play style is suited for that.

But if McMillan had sped it up a bit, Roy could've easily had a 25/5/5 season.

And as mentioned, Roy could control the game in a way that only the greats could. He may not have been the greatest scorer but he was wise beyond his years. A true leader and one of the most clutch players to ever play the game.

In fact, statistically, he was the most efficient player in the clutch during the 2000s as he hit a very high % of clutch shots with a low % of being assisted (ex. while possessing the highest % of clutch shots made (44.6%), Rudy Gay needed to be set-up/assisted a majority of the time (44%). Roy had the 2nd highest % of clutch shots (43%) made while having the lowest % (7%) of assisted shots).

Harden is much longer and explosive. And he can shoot the 3-ball waaaaay better than Roy. He's also a great clutch player. But no way does he match up against Roy.

Also, they both flopped a sh*t ton (as do most all-star SGs).

Though, Harden would flop like he got shot whereas Roy would drive it into an opponent, kick his leg out, and yell as he tried to float the shot in. It may have to do with Harden being more explosive compared to Roy's more methodical approach.