Has Kobe Bryant ever been the clearcut best player in the NBA?

[Jameerthefear]

I'm not sure what you guys consider his best year ('06? which I think personally he was the best player) but every other year he was always #2 or #3 imo. Some people even argue against him being the best in '06 (didn't even win the MVP that year, etc.)
What does ISH think?

[HOoopCityJones]

From 06-10 no one's been better.

[gts]

Best pizza toppings...go

[SamuraiSWISH]

'06 - '08 for me is definitive.

Arguable in 2009, and 2010. Top Five in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2012, and 2013.

[HOoopCityJones]

Best pizza toppings...go

Philly cheese steak

[Warfan]

'06 - '08 for me is definitive.

Arguable in 2009, and 2010. Top Five in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2012, and 2013.

/thread

[Jameerthefear]

From 06-10 no one's been better.
Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08 and '09

[SamuraiSWISH]

Philly cheese steak
That's a sandwich in the city of brotherly love, not a pizza.

[HOoopCityJones]

Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08 and '09

To the Haters and sympathizers. :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

That's a sandwich in the city of brotherly love, not a pizza.

That shit hit as topping on a pie tho :rockon:

[Jameerthefear]

To the Haters and sympathizers. :confusedshrug:
No... just to most people who are not delusional.

[Warfan]

To the Haters and sympathizers. :confusedshrug:

So why do u think kobe was the best in 09 and 10?


Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08 and '09

Thought u meant 09 and 10, kobe was easily the best in 08, but they were better than him in 09 and 10

[HOoopCityJones]

No... just to most people who are not delusional.

Says the guy who believes he's not Top 10? :lol

What credibility does your opinion have? Nada

[HOoopCityJones]

So why do u think kobe was the best in 09 and 10?



No they werent easily better it was very close

Taking the whole picture into account , idk how you can say anyone but Kobe.

[Orlando Magic]

No, it has never been clear cut. And it's never been clear cut because it's never happened.

Shaq/Duncan 00-06
LeBron 07-present

Kobe's best year was 02-03.

And none of this is an insult to him and nobody reading this should take it as such and in fact the only people will are the ones with Kobe glasses on.

Kobe is clearly one of the best to ever do it but the only thing that really separates him from guys like Iverson, Carter, McGrady & etc is circumstance and longevity.

There was never a point where he was head and shoulders better than a guy like McGrady was at his peak. Never once.

He was also incredibly blessed to play with some of the guys he did.

Of course, people willget upset when I say this, as it's all been said before... this is probably the 10000th time this conversation has been had on these boards. Ok, maybe like the 200th time. But still.

[Jameerthefear]

Says the guy who believes he's not Top 10? :lol

What credibility does your opinion have? Nada
He isn't. I actually made a thread today involving who would you draft first with a list of players that Kobe stans would consider 'inferior'. Almost everyone who wasn't a stan had Kobe 4th behind Hakeem, David Robinson, and Moses

[NumberSix]

Best pizza toppings...go
Brooklyn style pepperoni.

[HOoopCityJones]

No, it has never been clear cut. And it's never been clear cut because it's never happened.

Shaq/Duncan 00-06
LeBron 07-present

Kobe's best year was 02-03.

:biggums:

This is why I can't take half the people on ISH seriously when it comes to ranking Kobe. Always shit tinted glasses with you lot.

[joeyjoejoe]

I don't think he was ever clearcut best its always been close, cp3 was arguably better in 08 and 09

[HOoopCityJones]

I don't think he was ever clearcut best its always been close, cp3 was arguably better in 08 and 09

Sure he was.

Best Team he's been on in his Life and he STILL can't get them past a conference final. :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

No. When have players, coaches, analysts ever said Kobe was the best player in the league?

[gts]

That's a sandwich in the city of brotherly love, not a pizza.

Got to try one one of these days.. We have a couple places that make good ones in LA but I want to go to Philly and try the real deal

[gts]

No. When have players, coaches, analysts ever said Kobe was the best player in the league?
Don't make me whip out my big list

[Orlando Magic]

:biggums:

This is why I can't take half the people on ISH seriously when it comes to ranking Kobe. Always shit tinted glasses with you lot.

No sir. It is you that can not be taken seriously.

Let me guess... you would rank Kobe's prime ability as a basketball player as a top 10 prime of all time... tell me I'm wrong.

Kobe has had a top 10 career, of this there is no doubt, but there are undoubtedly more than 10 guys that had better primes (let's call them 4-5 year stretches).. unquestionably.

Hell, we've got three guys playing right now that are going to end up with better primes than Kobe... that's THREE ACTIVE PLAYERS... LET ALONE THE REST OF HISTORY.

Honestly it might be four with Garnett but I'm not willing to make that argument...

[HOoopCityJones]

Hell, we've got three guys playing right now that are going to end up with better primes than Kobe... that's THREE ACTIVE PLAYERS... LET ALONE THE REST OF HISTORY.

:biggums:

How the Fuq can this be proven?

That's the problem with you youngsters, you think everything you see today will be the greatest ever.

For all you know Lebron declines next year and Durant shatters his Knee.

You guys are jokes homie, you wanna give these kids the Crown when they've had what? one to three years of high level Basketball?

[fpliii]

:cry:

[Orlando Magic]

:biggums:

How the Fuq can this be proven?

That's the problem with you youngsters, you think everything you see today will be the greatest ever.

For all you know Lebron declines next year and Durant shatters his Knee.

You guys are jokes homie, you wanna give these kids the Crown when they've had what? one to three years of high level Basketball?

Haha, LeBron has already put up 5 years better than Kobe's best 5. Same with Duncan. There's two son... and if you want to argue against either player, your mind is already made up and so far gone that I'm going to stop talking with you.

Durant has the POTENTIAL... we'll see.... certainly not set in stone yet but things are looking good for him.

[kennethgriffin]

being known as the clear cut best player for a long time only means that you played in a crappy era...



the 2000's had shaq at the end of his prime and lebron at the start of his..

duncan and garnetts entire primes were in the 2000's

nash's prime

dirks prime

tmacs prime

iversons prime

wades prime


etc...


4 of the top 10 players all time have had all or some of their primes during kobes era ( which he is clear cut best of. multiple player of the decade awards )

more than anyone else


therel always be argues and possible contenders for each year when theres that much competition..


kobe could be argued as best player in the league for

2003
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

[moe94]

kobe could be argued as best player in the league for

2003
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
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[kennethgriffin]

http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nicolas-cage-laughing.gif
:confusedshrug:

2003 was arguably kobes 3rd best year of his career individually

30/6/5
1st team all nba
1st team all defense
9 straight 40 point games
2 months averaging over 40ppg
nba record 12 threes in a game


and as far as 2010

kobe won the title and finals mvp


let me guess .. you're gonna say in 2003.. its about who won the title. and in 2010.. its about who had the better stats


i say its arguable either way. but your flip flopping agenda wont fly with me sonny boi :lol

[chazzy]

Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08
Wow. You were 9 years old

[moe94]

Nah, Shaq and Duncan were simply better players, even statistically. Sorry. No one thinks Kobe was the best player in 03 so you must be trolling.

[VIntageNOvel]

Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08 and '09

:roll:
beating bobcats/buck/etc 3 times a year would inflate your stat :no:

lebron was the best player in 2012 and 2013, thats it

before that, he's unclutch, bald, empty statpadder (see:2007 final and 2011)

[Jasper]

IMO 1 1/2 seasons, and part of that was press hip

Eliminate his shooting , and then judge his barometer against the league.

[coin24]

Poor little beta crybaby Jameer still upset the laker fans picked on him:lol

Your opinion on Kobe is invalid seeing as you've only been watching basketball "post decision"..You probably have dwight in your top 10 ffs:facepalm

[coin24]

:roll:
beating bobcats/buck/etc 3 times a year would inflate your stat :no:

lebron was the best player in 2012 and 2013, thats it

before that, he's unclutch, bald, empty statpadder (see:2007 final and 2011)

Just like the never lost in the first round argument:oldlol:
Bran goes up against 30 win teams:roll:

[DFish24]

2000-02 Shaq
2003-Duncan
2004-KG
2005-Duncan
2006-10 Kobe
2011-Dirk
2012-13 Lebron
2014-Durant

[moe94]

2000-02 Shaq
2003-Duncan
2004-KG
2005-Duncan
2006-10 Kobe
2011-Dirk
2012-13 Lebron
2014-Durant

Explain how Kobe was the best from 06-07 because of statistics but 08-10 because of winning while simultaneously explaining how Durant is the best in 14 for regular season statistics.

You can't because there is literally no consistent basis for your list. Zero. :coleman:

[redboy]

Wade and Lebron were easily better in '08 and '09
dude how does your english teacher grade your essays when you never provide evidence?

[MichaelCorleone]

No. Never.

[Heavincent]

No... just to most people who are not delusional.

Dude, you were like 8 back then. How the hell would you know? :oldlol:

You're ****ing clueless.

[coin24]

Ever been with a woman MichaelCorleone??


No. Never.

[coin24]

Dude, you were like 8 back then. How the hell would you know? :oldlol:

You're ****ing clueless.


:roll: :roll:

The clown used to like Kobe and the lakers:roll: :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

It's nice to see at 8-9 years old I was smarter then most Kobe fans.

[Warfan]

Ever been with a woman MichaelCorleone??
does his sister count?

[moe94]

It's nice to see at 8-9 years old I was smarter then most Kobe fans.
Well played.

[MichaelCorleone]

coin24 catching feelings.:oldlol: :facepalm

[AintNoSunshine]

probably his best case was the year he scored 81, but he's never the impact player other all time greats were. See Lakers around 06

[ArbitraryWater]

'06 - '08 for me is definitive.

Arguable in 2009, and 2010. Top Five in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2012, and 2013.

No, Kobe was not top 5 in 2004 or 2012 or 2013... in fact he had horrible years in 2004&2012. 06-08 MAY BE. 09&10 is pretty clearly LBJ.

[chazzy]

No, Kobe was not top 5 in 2004 or 2012 or 2013... in fact he had horrible years in 2004&2012. 06-08 MAY BE. 09&10 is pretty clearly LBJ.
Arguably top 5 in '12, def top 5 (had him at 4 behind Lebron, KD, CP3) in '13 in the reg season

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I'm not sure what you guys consider his best year ('06? which I think personally he was the best player) but every other year he was always #2 or #3 imo. Some people even argue against him being the best in '06 (didn't even win the MVP that year, etc.)
What does ISH think?

Jameerthefear, its getting late, when u going to come suck my c0ck?

[Cold soul]

'06 - '08 for me is definitive.

Arguable in 2009, and 2010. Top Five in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2012, and 2013.

This. Even though I think Kobe had 4 year stretch of being the leagues best player.

[andgar923]

NO he was never the clearcut best player.

It was arguable for the most part.

[Euroleague]

What the hell kind of thread is this?

[Jameerthefear]

Jameerthefear, its getting late, when u going to come suck my c0ck?
That's pretty gay man. I don't do that.

[riseagainst]

wasn't like OP like 10 years old in the mid 2000s?

[BlackVVaves]

I'm not sure what you guys consider his best year ('06? which I think personally he was the best player) but every other year he was always #2 or #3 imo. Some people even argue against him being the best in '06 (didn't even win the MVP that year, etc.)
What does ISH think?

You're obsessed with antagonizing Lakers fans, bro. Are these threads your way of combatting all the badgering you receive around here?

Because all it does is stir the melting pot.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

06 and 07 for sure

[Jameerthefear]

What do you mean? This is a serious thread.

[JohnFreeman]

From 06-10 no one's been better.
Wade as better in 09

[ImKobe]

06
08
09
10

are the clear cut ones, 06 he had the highest scoring season since MJ's 37 ppg, 08 he had the Lakers on top of the West with a 30-16 record before the Pau trade, and his stats stayed the same even with Pau there.

09 & 10, b2b Finals MVP, the best WCF series I've ever seen from an individual player, first player to average 30+ ppg & 7+ apg in the Finals since MJ himself in 1991.

[Jameerthefear]

08-10 are definitely not clear cut.

[Milbuck]

I don't know what's worse, the pathetic amount of time you spend talking shit about a basketball player on an online forum, or the fact that you wank to little anime girls.

Who hurt you in junior high school?

[SavageMode]

Kobe with only 1 MVP. Has no Clear cut best player seasons :roll:

[ImKobe]

Wade as better in 09

So, losing in the first round is better than winning the title? And don't give me the "Lakers were stacked" talk, Kobe carried that team throughout the entire Playoffs.

[JohnFreeman]

So, losing in the first round is better than winning the title? And don't give me the "Lakers were stacked" talk, Kobe carried that team throughout the entire Playoffs.
Give Wade the best front court in the league and he would do the same.

[ImKobe]

Kobe with only 1 MVP. Has no Clear cut best player seasons :roll:

By your logic, MVP is worth more than a Finals MVP, since Lebron winning the MVP in 09 is more important than Kobe getting the Finals MVP the same year while Lebron had to watch the series from his couch.

[SavageMode]

Kobe has been carried by goat front courts his whole career. He could only get his team to 7th seed and first round sweep on his own. :roll:

[moe94]

08-10 are definitely not clear cut.

Clear cut in that he's not the best maybe. :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

I don't know what's worse, the pathetic amount of time you spend talking shit about a basketball player on an online forum, or the fact that you wank to little anime girls.

Who hurt you in junior high school?
I don't wank to little girls

[ImKobe]

Give Wade the best front court in the league and he would do the same.

Only that it didn't happen. Give Kobe Lebron & Bosh at 29 years old and they win more rings together.

For all the Wade stans, the man has never won without a top 10 all-time player on his team and now he's collecting rings averaging 16 ppg in the Playoffs :oldlol:

[moe94]

I don't know what's worse, the pathetic amount of time you spend talking shit about a basketball player on an online forum, or the fact that you wank to little anime girls.

Who hurt you in junior high school?

Really? :coleman:

[Milbuck]

I don't wank to little girls
Yeah, and Devin Ebanks is an all-star.

[JohnFreeman]

Only that it didn't happen. Give Kobe Lebron & Bosh at 29 years old and they win more rings together.

For all the Wade stans, the man has never won without a top 10 all-time player on his team and now he's collecting rings averaging 16 ppg in the Playoffs :oldlol:
It's called injury. I would take any form of Wade over Kobe

[ImKobe]

Kobe has been carried by goat front courts his whole career. He could only get his team to 7th seed and first round sweep on his own. :roll:

You mean guys like Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, who became irrelevant without Kobe? :oldlol:

Pau Gasol? GOAT frontcourt? :oldlol: Pau is not even a top 10 all-time PF/C, what the hell are you smoking bro, the dude couldn't win a single Playoff game in Memphis and not a single game with Dwight Howard in the Playoffs last year, the guy has been swept 5 times. But yeah, Kobe could never win without him :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Really? :coleman:
Let's not act like James Harden isn't an ugly little shit.

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah, and Devin Ebanks is an all-star.
People like you have created that stigma for no reason. You literally just make stuff up.

[ImKobe]

It's called injury. I would take any form of Wade over Kobe

Injury? So you mean that he wasn't able to produce at a high level and despite that the team won the title? Thanks for playing.

[JohnFreeman]

You mean guys like Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, who became irrelevant without Kobe? :oldlol:

Pau Gasol? GOAT frontcourt? :oldlol: Pau is not even a top 10 all-time PF/C, what the hell are you smoking bro, the dude couldn't win a single Playoff game in Memphis and not a single game with Dwight Howard in the Playoffs last year, the guy has been swept 5 times. But yeah, Kobe could never win without him :oldlol:
How many rings did Kobe win by himself before Gasol got there?

[moe94]

Let's not act like James Harden isn't an ugly little shit.

:oldlol:

Leave Jameer alone. :coleman:

[ImKobe]

How many rings did Kobe win by himself before Gasol got there?

And how many Playoff games did Pau win before being traded to LA?

[Milbuck]

How many rings did Kobe win by himself before Gasol got there?
The same amount of rings Magic won without Kareem, Michael without Scottie, Lebron without Wade, Bird without McHale, Hakeem without...wait a minute.

Hakeem is the GOAT?

[JohnFreeman]

And how many Playoff games did Pau win before being traded to LA?
Answer my question, How many did Kobe win before Gasol got there? (without riding Shaqs coat tails)

[All Net]

from 05-08 yes he was.

Alot will say 06-08.

[ImKobe]

The same amount of rings Magic won without Kareem, Michael without Scottie, Lebron without Wade, Bird without McHale, Hakeem without...wait a minute.

Hakeem is the GOAT?

How many rings did Hakeem win without teammates?

[ImKobe]

Answer my question, How many did Kobe win before Gasol got there? (without riding Shaqs coat tails)

So, Pau Gasol carried Kobe to two titles, but couldn't win a single Playoff game without him? BURN

[tpols]

Answer my question, How many did Kobe win before Gasol got there? (without riding Shaqs coat tails)
So.. kobe only gets 2 years out of 18 to prove himself? Rest doesnt count?:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

So, Pau Gasol carried Kobe to two titles, but couldn't win a single Playoff game without him? BURN
So why did Kobe not win without Gasol and Bynum? If he is the "carrier"? Keep discrediting Gasol to prop up Kobe :cheers:

[Heavincent]

So.. kobe only gets 2 years out of 18 to prove himself? Rest doesnt count?:oldlol:

Not to mention that Kobe was the best player in the game in those two years.

Kobe detractor logic :hammerhead:

[JohnFreeman]

08 is the only year Kobe was the best in the league...hence the MVP award

[ImKobe]

The only players that didn't get carried were those that literally played 1 v 5 on the court. Because basketball is a team sport, and every all-time great needed other players to show up in order to win their rings, which are a team accomplishment, but the leaders of the championship teams get the most credit, because the team is built around their abilities. Kobe got a good front court and some nice shooters around him, and he goes to 3 straight Finals, but we don't give him credit, no, he got carried, despite being the team leader in points,steals,assists in 3 consecutive Finals runs. Oh, and Kobe's the only player in NBA history to score 600+ points in 3 consecutive post-seasons, which was from 08-10, even MJ never did that.

[ImKobe]

08 is the only year Kobe was the best in the league...hence the MVP award

So, Derrick Rose was the best player in 2011? AI was the best player in 2001? :oldlol: MVP logic

[JohnFreeman]

So, Derrick Rose was the best player in 2011? AI was the best player in 2001? :oldlol: MVP logic
If they win the award than yes. Kobe didn't even deserve the 08 MVP in my opinion, let alone all the defensive selections

[Warfan]

from 05-08 yes he was.

Alot will say 06-08.

Wasnt 05 more of a down year for kobe, i remember him missing like 20 or so game from injury aswell, it might've been the year before though

[Heavincent]

If they win the award than yes.

So you let the media form your opinion?

[tpols]

08 is the only year Kobe was the best in the league...hence the MVP award
Please explain how Steve Nash and Derrick Rose won MVPs over Lebron and kobe.. only then will you understand that the MVP award is not a predecessor for being the best player in the league. It is simply an achievement that goes to the best player on a top seed. If you have a beyond shit team.. or you play with another superstar almost equal in impact, you will have a lower chance at getting the MVP no matter how good you are.

[JohnFreeman]

Please explain how Steve Nash and Derrick Rose won MVPs over Lebron and kobe then:oldlol:
Generally they get more votes.

[ImKobe]

If they win the award than yes. Kobe didn't even deserve the 08 MVP in my opinion, let alone all the defensive selections

Oh, so now you're taking the MVP away from Kobe, while not acknowledging the fact that AI and D.Rose weren't even close to being the best players in the league during their MVP seasons. Next you're going to tell me Nash was better than Kobe,Lebron,Duncan,Wade in 06.

[tpols]

Generally they get more votes.
And they arent nor werent better players. Lebron kinda had a down year in 2011 before resurging in 2012, but especially in Kobe's case..

There is zero argument Nash was as good a player. Shoulda used Iverson and Shaq.. Probably the best example.

So your '08 was the only year kobe was the best because he won MVP' logic is retarded. Kobe was actually more clear cut the best in 06 than he was in 08.. CP3 was on another level that year. MVPs dont mean shit for this discussion.

[HOoopCityJones]

Generally they get more votes.

You can't be this Daft.

[moe94]

You can't be this Daft.

Ironic considering you let his joke fly cleanly over your head. Makes you a Punk.

[ImKobe]

And they arent nor werent better players. Lebron kinda had a down year in 2011 before resurging in 2012, but especially in Kobe's case..

There is zero argument Nash was as good a player. Shoulda used Iverson and Shaq.. Probably the best example.

So your '08 was the only year kobe was the best because he won MVP' logic is retarded. Kobe was actually more clear cut the best in 06 than he was in 08.. CP3 was on another level that year. MVPs dont mean shit for this discussion.

:applause:

[JohnFreeman]

Ironic considering you let his joke fly cleanly over your head. Makes you a Punk.
He is still dazed from getting ethered the other day.

[moe94]

So your '08 was the only year kobe was the best because he won MVP' logic is retarded. Kobe was actually more clear cut the best in 06 than he was in 08.. CP3 was on another level that year. MVPs dont mean shit for this discussion.

LeBron > Kobe in 08

You're right about MVPs because Kobe shouldn't have even been top 3 in voting that year. Lifetime achievement award of the highest order.

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron > Kobe in 08

You're right about MVPs because Kobe shouldn't have even been top 3 in voting that year. Lifetime achievement award of the highest order.
Just like all his defensive selections. I don't think Kobe has ever been the best player in any year

[HOoopCityJones]

Clown ass ni99as.

[Heavincent]

LeBron > Kobe in 08

You're right about MVPs because Kobe shouldn't have even been top 3 in voting that year. Lifetime achievement award of the highest order.

:oldlol:

****ing ridiculous.

[moe94]

:oldlol:

****ing ridiculous.

CP3, KG, LeBron all had better cases. :confusedshrug:

[Prometheus]

Kobe is still the best player in the game. That's why he's an all star despite only playing a handful of games. He is currently deciding whether to retire and pass the torch to KD, or to come back and lead the Lakers to another championship. It's really all up to him.

































































:kobe:

[JohnFreeman]

Clown ass ni99as.
You are the same guy who thought Horry was a "key factor" in the 2003 Spurs title, when he was on the Lakers :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

CP3, KG, LeBron all had better cases. :confusedshrug:

How is a dude on a 45 win team gonna win MVP? If that was the case, then Kobe should have easily won it in 06 and 07.

Lakers had the best record in the west and Kobe was widely regarded as the best player. Not to mention he played the first half of the season with less help than Paul. Pretty easy/obvious choice. Nobody questioned it except for Kobe detractors.

[HurricaneKid]

Someone show me any advanced stat in any year that says he was the best player in the league. I don't think you can even find any that have him in the top 2 in any year. He was certainly among the best players for a long time. But he was never the best player for a season. IMO, it really hurts his legacy to have such low peak play.

I literally laugh out loud at the notion that Kobe was the best player in 09. To suggest that he was the clear cut best player is literally stupid. Don't advertise your ignorance.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe is a top 50 player, don't worry about it :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

You are the same guy who thought Horry was a "key factor" in the 2003 Spurs title, when he was on the Lakers :oldlol:

Never mixed up anything in your life jail bait? :lol

Get over it, you guys are worse than children.

[JohnFreeman]

Never mixed up anything in your life jail bait? :lol

Get over it, you guys are worse than children.
I laugh at you :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

CP3, KG, LeBron all had better cases. :confusedshrug:

KG joined up with 2 all-stars, Lebron won 45 games and Kobe won the MVP because the Lakers won the most games in the West, with Pau only playing 27 games for the Lakers that season.

[moe94]

Kobe is definitely the greatest SG in Laker history.

[HOoopCityJones]

I laugh at you :oldlol:

:confusedshrug: I ain't losing sleep honeycake.

[moe94]

:confusedshrug: I ain't losing sleep honeycake.

I like this dude. You can't get under his skin at all.

[Milbuck]

I like this dude. You can't get under his skin at all.

Moe why do you keep changing your avatar?

[JohnFreeman]

KG joined up with 2 all-stars, Lebron won 45 games and Kobe won the MVP because the Lakers won the most games in the West, with Pau only playing 27 games for the Lakers that season.
So if that is your reason, why wouldn't Nash deserve both his MVPs? 04-05 Phoenix was the best and 05-06 they were second seed?

[moe94]

Moe why do you keep changing your avatar?

I can't help myself. :(

[Bob Dole]

No he has never been. Lebron has been better and more valuable than him since 06.

And cp3 was better than him in 08. That season was freaking magic like. I smile just thinking about that kind of play.

Suck my nuts Kobe fans/irrational fools.

[Milbuck]

I can't help myself. :(
:oldlol: Not knocking you, just wondering.

[KevinNYC]

Brooklyn style pepperoni.

What the **** is Brooklyn style pepperoni?

[ImKobe]

So if that is your reason, why wouldn't Nash deserve both his MVPs? 04-05 Phoenix was the best and 05-06 they were second seed?

Because Nash had a lot of help, Kobe didn't. Kobe didn't have Amare,Joe Johnson,Diaw,Marion all playing in their primes for him, 06 I thought Nash was deserving because Amare only played 3 games, but again Marion averaged 22 and 12 with 2 spg 1.7 bpg, Nash was the brains of the operation, but he had a lot of weapons.

But 05 MVP was ridiculous, when dude had Joe Johnson, Amare, Marion and Q-Rich, who were all beasting. Amare averaged 26 and 9, Marion averaged 19 and 11, Johnson averaged 17 5 4, but shot a godly 48% from 3. If Shaq didn't win more than 1 MVP with Kobe due to having a lot of help, same should have been applied to Nash.

[Bob Dole]

Because Nash had a lot of help, Kobe didn't. Kobe didn't have Amare,Joe Johnson,Diaw,Marion all playing in their primes for him, 06 I thought Nash was deserving because Amare only played 3 games, but again Marion averaged 22 and 12 with 2 spg 1.7 bpg, Nash was the brains of the operation, but he had a lot of weapons.

But 05 MVP was ridiculous, when dude had Joe Johnson, Amare, Marion and Q-Rich, who were all beasting. Amare averaged 26 and 9, Marion averaged 19 and 11, Johnson averaged 17 5 4, but shot a godly 48% from 3. If Shaq didn't win more than 1 MVP with Kobe due to having a lot of help, same should have been applied to Nash.

The who you played with argument is the laziest, personal agenda furthering argument there is. I even despise it when people try to discredit kobewithit.

Steve Nash was great because he was great. The teams sucked before he arrived with almost an identical roster, not a coincidence.

Anyways Kobe has no clear cut seasons. If you think he does it's revisionist history at its finest. Just like you losers think Hakeem played on some other level than Robinson and Ewing. It simply didn't happen. Shit Hakeem wasn't even noticed as the best player the years Jordan was out and isn't top 10.

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probably 2006-2008

[Quickening]

Clear cut best player... Not sure, the problem with Kobe is that he has been a lazy defender the majority of his career. I would say he has been arguably the best player for one year, and top 6 from 2002- 2010.. 8 years. Great career, and coupled with spending it on the goat franchise will end his career as a top 12 player ever.

[JohnFreeman]

Clear cut best player... Not sure, the problem with Kobe is that he has been a lazy defender the majority of his career. I would say he has been arguably the best player for one year, and top 6 from 2002- 2010.. 8 years. Great career, and coupled with spending it on the goat franchise will end his career as a top 12 player ever.
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[ImKobe]

Clear cut best player... Not sure, the problem with Kobe is that he has been a lazy defender the majority of his career. I would say he has been arguably the best player for one year, and top 6 from 2002- 2010.. 8 years. Great career, and coupled with spending it on the goat franchise will end his career as a top 12 player ever.

Thanks for the backhanded compliments, bron stan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDNBcRsB_-0

[Bob Dole]

Clear cut best player... Not sure, the problem with Kobe is that he has been a lazy defender the majority of his career. I would say he has been arguably the best player for one year, and top 6 from 2002- 2010.. 8 years. Great career, and coupled with spending it on the goat franchise will end his career as a top 12 player ever.

Top 25 but I agree with your premise. He simply isn't better or more impactful at basketball than Kevin Garnett or David Robinson.

Deal with it.

[moe94]

Thanks for the backhanded compliments, bron stan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDNBcRsB_-0

:roll: @ all those dislikes

Mark Jackson is a joke for this.

[Gifted Mind]

I honestly don't think so. He's been best player a few times but clear-cut best is a tough case to make for Kobe. To me in the past 20 years of basketball only LeBron, Shaq, Hakeem, and Jordan have had years where they were clear-cut best players in the NBA. To be clear-cut best player there should be no debate at all who the best player in the NBA was, however for Kobe it has never been that easy.

2006 is the closest year he was the clear-cut best player, however even that year you could make an argument for Dwyane Wade. In fact, right after the season there was a polling done and Wade was recognized by fans as the best player in the NBA. Not saying Dwyane Wade was the best player in the NBA in 2006, however seeing it was debatable hurts Kobe's case as the clear-cut best.

[JohnFreeman]

I honestly don't think so. He's been best player a few times but clear-cut best is a tough case to make for Kobe. To me in the past 20 years of basketball only LeBron, Shaq, Hakeem, and Jordan have had years where they were clear-cut best players in the NBA. To be clear-cut best player there should be no debate at all who the best player in the NBA was, however for Kobe it has never been that easy.

2006 is the closest year he was the clear-cut best player, however even that year you could make an argument for Dwyane Wade. In fact, right after the season there was a polling done and Wade was recognized by fans as the best player in the NBA. Not saying Dwyane Wade was the best player in the NBA in 2006, however seeing it was debatable hurts Kobe's case as the clear-cut best.
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[moe94]

I honestly don't think so. He's been best player a few times but clear-cut best is a tough case to make for Kobe. To me in the past 20 years of basketball only LeBron, Shaq, Hakeem, and Jordan have had years where they were clear-cut best players in the NBA. To be clear-cut best player there should be no debate at all who the best player in the NBA was, however for Kobe it has never been that easy.

2006 is the closest year he was the clear-cut best player, however even that year you could make an argument for Dwyane Wade. In fact, right after the season there was a polling done and Wade was recognized by fans as the best player in the NBA. Not saying Dwyane Wade was the best player in the NBA in 2006, however seeing it was debatable hurts Kobe's case as the clear-cut best.

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