LeBron vs the Celtics in 2008 playoffs

[Joyner82reload]

I see Kobe get blasted for his play against the Celtics, but how about LeBron?

12/9/9 with 10 turnovers on 2-18 shooting and team loses by 4
21/5/6 with 7 turnovers on 6-24 shooting and team loses by 14
21/5/8 with 2 turnovers on 5-16 shooting and team wins by 24
21/6/13 with 5 turnovers on 7-20 shooting and team wins by 11
35/3/5 with 4 turnovers on 12-25 shooting and team loses by 6
32/12/6 with 8 turnovers on 9-23 shooting and team wins by 5
45/5/6 with 2 turnovers on 14-29 shooting, but allows past prime Paul Pierce to drop 41/5/5 on 13-23 shooting and LeBron's team loses by 5

Shoots 36% from the field, 23% from 3, averages over 5 to/g, and his team loses in 7 despite winning +11 in overall points scored

[MadSolar]

I see Kobe get blasted for his play against the Celtics, but how about LeBron?

12/9/9 with 10 turnovers on 2-18 shooting and team loses by 4
21/5/6 with 7 turnovers on 6-24 shooting and team loses by 14
21/5/8 with 2 turnovers on 5-16 shooting and team wins by 24
21/6/13 with 5 turnovers on 7-20 shooting and team wins by 11
35/3/5 with 4 turnovers on 12-25 shooting and team loses by 6
32/12/6 with 8 turnovers on 9-23 shooting and team wins by 5
45/5/6 with 2 turnovers on 14-29 shooting, but allows past prime Paul Pierce to drop 41/5/5 on 13-23 shooting and LeBron's team loses by 5

Shoots 36% from the field, 23% from 3, averages over 5 to/g, and his team loses in 7 despite winning +11 in overall points scored
:wtf: No Lebron stans will enter this thread :roll:

[VIntageNOvel]

I see Kobe get blasted for his play against the Celtics, but how about LeBron?

12/9/9 with 10 turnovers on 2-18 shooting and team loses by 4
21/5/6 with 7 turnovers on 6-24 shooting and team loses by 14
21/5/8 with 2 turnovers on 5-16 shooting and team wins by 24
21/6/13 with 5 turnovers on 7-20 shooting and team wins by 11
35/3/5 with 4 turnovers on 12-25 shooting and team loses by 6
32/12/6 with 8 turnovers on 9-23 shooting and team wins by 5
45/5/6 with 2 turnovers on 14-29 shooting, but allows past prime Paul Pierce to drop 41/5/5 on 13-23 shooting and LeBron's team loses by 5

Shoots 36% from the field, 23% from 3, averages over 5 to/g, and his team loses in 7 despite winning +11 in overall points scored


sadly, all that bran stans with their goldfish like memories remember is how he carried his not-stacked team to beat old past prime boston in 7 game :roll:

[Warfan]

you are worse than pauk

[MichaelCorleone]

Durant stans still mad.:oldlol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjhNH5yhsL0/Uca6b7JaRTI/AAAAAAAAIO8/e30_wAVWi9c/s1600/LeBron%2BAccolades.jpg

[MadSolar]

you are worse than pauk
Dat 2-18 & 6-24 Doe

[rlsmooth775]

Still better than Kobe in 2008 against the celtics couldn't even take them to seven games

[KendrickPerkins]

:roll:

Fcking pwnt. Y'all LeBron stans been getting the D from joyner lately eh? Dude's sonning all of ya.

[VIntageNOvel]

Durant stans still mad.:oldlol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjhNH5yhsL0/Uca6b7JaRTI/AAAAAAAAIO8/e30_wAVWi9c/s1600/LeBron%2BAccolades.jpg


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[DMAVS41]

Really?

They played overall almost the exact same given the clear difference in help;

Lebron put up 27/6/8 on 48%TS in that series against the Celtics

Kobe put up 26/5/5 on 50.5% TS in his series against the Celtics

Lebron averaged a little over 5 turnovers per game.
Kobe averaged 4 turnovers per game.

Also, Lebron doesn't get near enough credit for his defense in 08 on that team...he improved and already elite defense in the playoffs while on the floor.(2.5 points better per 100 possessions)

Kobe's team actually got slightly better defensively when he was on the bench (2.1 points better per 100 possessions)

[Brokenbeat]

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Really?

They played overall almost the exact same given the clear difference in help;

Lebron put up 27/6/8 on 48%TS in that series against the Celtics

Kobe put up 26/5/5 on 50.5% TS in his series against the Celtics

Lebron averaged a little over 5 turnovers per game.
Kobe averaged 4 turnovers per game.
Kobe played better D and outside of Pau, Lebrons teammates stepped up alot more

Lebron wasnt even top in 08
KG, CP3, Kobe, Dirk and Timmy were all better

[Warfan]

Dat 2-18 & 6-24 Doe

Who's alt are you?
Im critical of LeBron for this series but he was 23 and the boston team was much better

kobe in 08 finals

game 1: 9-26
game 4: 6-19
game 5: 8-21
game 6: 7-22

games 1 & 4-6: 30-88 34fg%

So prime kobe blew a huge lead in the crucial game 4 and got completely blown out in game 6

[DMAVS41]

Kobe played better D and outside of Pau, Lebrons teammates stepped up alot more

Lebron wasnt even top in 08
KG, CP3, Kobe, Dirk and Timmy were all better

Actually this just isn't true. Kobe's team in the 08 playoffs played worse defense than the Cavs as a whole...and actually got worse with Kobe on the floor by 2.1 points.

Lebron's Cavs played way better defense overall and got better with Lebron on the floor by 2.5 points.

Kobe was not doing anything defensively in the playoffs that year that Lebron wasn't doing or more.

And I also don't think the teammates thing is accurate. Gasol was better than anyone on the Cavs...and Odom might have been as well. West and Joe Smith played alright...but outside of that it was pretty weak for the Cavs.

[The-Legend-24]

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[riseagainst]

so GoranDragon = MichaelCorleone?

[pegasus]

Really?

They played overall almost the exact same given the clear difference in help;

Lebron put up 27/6/8 on 48%TS in that series against the Celtics

Kobe put up 26/5/5 on 50.5% TS in his series against the Celtics

Lebron averaged a little over 5 turnovers per game.
Kobe averaged 4 turnovers per game.
Was it really that clear?

21/5/8 with 2 turnovers on 5-16 shooting and team wins by 24
21/6/13 with 5 turnovers on 7-20 shooting and team wins by 11

Shoots 12-36 and his team wins both games by 35 points combined.

[MadSolar]

Who's alt are you?
Im critical of LeBron for this series but he was 23 and the boston team was much better

kobe in 08 finals

game 1: 9-26
game 4: 6-19
game 5: 8-21
game 6: 7-22

games 1 & 4-6: 30-88 34fg%

So prime kobe blew a huge lead in the crucial game 4 and got completely blown out in game 6
Nobodys alt

Wasn't KD 23 when he went to the finals and avgd 30+ on 55%
What about Lebron in vs spurs 2007 finals :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2iw7va8.png

:lol

[VIntageNOvel]

:roll:

not mine, credit to kenneth,
im just helping him spread it :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

Was it really that clear?

21/5/8 with 2 turnovers on 5-16 shooting and team wins by 24
21/6/13 with 5 turnovers on 7-20 shooting and team wins by 11

Shoots 12-36 and his team wins both games by 35 points combined.

Yes...it was. Between the better supporting cast and Phil Jackson coaching...the difference in team strength was clear.

[tpols]

Really?

They played overall almost the exact same given the clear difference in help;

Lebron put up 27/6/8 on 48%TS in that series against the Celtics

Kobe put up 26/5/5 on 50.5% TS in his series against the Celtics

Lebron averaged a little over 5 turnovers per game.
Kobe averaged 4 turnovers per game.

Also, Lebron doesn't get near enough credit for his defense in 08 on that team...he improved and already elite defense in the playoffs while on the floor.(2.5 points better per 100 possessions)

Kobe's team actually got slightly better defensively when he was on the bench (2.1 points better per 100 possessions)
The only real difference in help was second option strength and that flew out the window when Pau could no longer deal with KG's intensity and was getting knocked off his spots and bullied.


Theres a reason Lebron played like shit.. worse efficiency and more turnovers.. but his team stretched the series out to 7. LA's help could only get it to 6 and Kobe wasnt even playing worse than bron or anything. Its only logical to assume given that info that Lebron had more help for that specific series.

[gin17]

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[Warfan]

Nobodys alt

Wasn't KD 23 when he went to the finals and avgd 30+ on 55%
What about Lebron in vs spurs 2007 finals :oldlol:

KD had a much better supporting cast and hasn't faced a defense in the playoffs like those late 00's Celtics teams. KD is a better scorer and certainly played well in the finals though. And I don't think brons first finals should be a knock on him tbh, it was still a pretty good run to get his team to the finals in the first place, even though the east was weak.

[russwest0]

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dat ether

[DMAVS41]

The only real difference in help was second option strength and that flew out the window when Pau could no longer deal with KG's intensity and was getting knocked off his spots and bullied.


Theres a reason Lebron played like shit.. worse efficiency and more turnovers.. but his team stretched the series out to 7. LA's help could only get it to 6 and Kobe wasnt even playing worse than bron or anything. Its only logical to assume given that info that Lebron had more help for that specific series.

Even with how Gasol played...he's still infinitely more valuable than Delonte West or Big Z shooting sub 50% TS.

Odom was better than anyone on the Cavs as well.

Honestly, if not for the huge collapse at home...the Lakers get to 7 and potentially win that series.

That is kind of forgotten...the Lakers should have at the very least gotten it to 7 even with how it went down. And if we are railing on Lebron...can't forgive Kobe for coming up so small in that do or die game essentially.

[MadSolar]

KD had a much better supporting cast and hasn't faced a defense in the playoffs like those late 00's Celtics teams. KD is a better scorer and certainly played well in the finals though. And I don't think brons first finals should be a knock on him tbh, it was still a pretty good run to get his team to the finals in the first place, even though the east was weak.
Lebron avd 22 ppg on 35%, thats just terrible. :lol
KD his first finals at age 23 30.6 on 55% :bowdown:

[Warfan]

Lebron avd 22 ppg on 35%, thats just terrible. :lol
KD his first finals at age 23 30.6 on 55% :bowdown:

yeah It was shit but at least he got there :lol

[Black Mamba's B]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2iw7va8.png
LMFAO:applause: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

That phucking picture is epic.

[VIntageNOvel]

LeBron in 2013:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjhNH5yhsL0/Uca6b7JaRTI/AAAAAAAAIO8/e30_wAVWi9c/s1600/LeBron%2BAccolades.jpg

LeBron in 2015:

http://i.imgur.com/uXzUH75.png

[sportjames23]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

Seriously?

I just put my meal in the microwave:facepalm

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I like the spirit of what you're saying, but what the **** man.
This
WTF at least put a cartoon pic or drawing nikka:facepalm

[catquickspider]

Even with how Gasol played...he's still infinitely more valuable than Delonte West or Big Z shooting sub 50% TS.

Odom was better than anyone on the Cavs as well.

Honestly, if not for the huge collapse at home...the Lakers get to 7 and potentially win that series.

That is kind of forgotten...the Lakers should have at the very least gotten it to 7 even with how it went down. And if we are railing on Lebron...can't forgive Kobe for coming up so small in that do or die game essentially.

:biggums:

Ilgauskas and Lebron's shooters opened the floor up for Lebron

Odom was rendered useless because he was given the Rondo treatment. Boston packed the paint and doubled Kobe. Odom could not hit outside shots and when he went inside Perkins and Garnett were waiting for him.

Lebron also got WAY more help on defense than Bryant. Gasol and Odom's defense was trash. Fisher's defense was trash.

Another dude that goes purely by stats instead of actually watching games :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

:biggums:

Ilgauskas and Lebron's shooters opened the floor up for Lebron

Odom was rendered useless because he was given the Rondo treatment. Boston packed the paint and doubled Kobe. Odom could not hit outside shots and when he went inside Perkins and Garnett were waiting for him.

Lebron also got WAY more help on defense than Bryant. Gasol and Odom's defense was trash. Fisher's defense was trash.

Another dude that goes purely by stats instead of actually watching games :facepalm

No...I watched. You obviously didn't...or are too biased

Lebron's shooters opened up the floor? They did no such thing...Pavlovic was the only guy that shot well and he made 4 threes for the series...everyone else was poor...well, West wasn't bad, but Lebron's shooters did not do anything.

Odom was better than anyone on the Cavs.

So I have no idea what you are talking about.

Lets compare the help shall we; (minutes played)

Gasol 15/10/3 57% TS
Odom 14/9/3 56% TS
Fisher 11/2/3 57% TS
Sasha 8/2/1 51% TS
Vlad 7/5/1 53% TS
Farmar 7/2/1 64% TS


West 11/4/3 56% TS
Wally 10/2/1 49% TS
Z 12/8/2 50% TS
Wallace 3/6/1 48% TS
Gibson 6/2/2 53% TS
Smith 8/4/1 62% TS
Andy 5/5/0 50% TS
Sasha 4/1/0 51% TS

Sorry...Kobe had the better team. Got more help (had the two best players out of either supporting cast)...and had Phil Jackson coaching vs ****ing Mike Brown.

Which honestly makes Lebron's series in terms of production pretty impressive given what that team did to Kobe. Not to mention that, but Lebron put up a terrible games in 1 and 2...and still managed to produce about the same as Kobe.

To sit here and act like Kobe fans can go hard on Lebron for his 08 performance against the Celtics...is absurd.

And you can't "remove" Lebron from the defense. He was a part of it and actually his team played better with him on the floor defensively.

[MadSolar]

No...I watched. You obviously didn't...or are too biased

Lebron's shooters opened up the floor? They did no such thing...Pavlovic was the only guy that shot well and he made 4 threes for the series...everyone else was poor...well, West wasn't bad, but Lebron's shooters did not do anything.

Odom was better than anyone on the Cavs.

So I have no idea what you are talking about.

Lets compare the help shall we; (minutes played)

Gasol 15/10/3 57% TS
Odom 14/9/3 56% TS
Fisher 11/2/3 57% TS
Sasha 8/2/1 51% TS
Vlad 7/5/1 53% TS
Farmar 7/2/1 64% TS


West 11/4/3 56% TS
Wally 10/2/1 49% TS
Z 12/8/2 50% TS
Wallace 3/6/1 48% TS
Gibson 6/2/2 53% TS
Smith 8/4/1 62% TS
Andy 5/5/0 50% TS
Sasha 4/1/0 51% TS

Sorry...Kobe had the better team. Got more help (had the two best players out of either supporting cast)...and had Phil Jackson coaching vs ****ing Mike Brown.

Which honestly makes Lebron's series in terms of production pretty impressive given what that team did to Kobe. Not to mention that, but Lebron put up a terrible games in 1 and 2...and still managed to produce about the same as Kobe.

To sit here and act like Kobe fans can go hard on Lebron for his 08 performance against the Celtics...is absurd.

And you can't "remove" Lebron from the defense. He was a part of it and actually his team played better with him on the floor defensively.
Kobe vs the celtics shot 42% in 2008 Lebron went 36%. Lebron wasn't impressive at al no matter what.

Anyways this whole thing started when Lebron stans kept posting 6/24 and I guess they forgot about Bron going 2/18, 6/24, and 5/16 :facepalm

[ImKobe]

lol Lebron, and people make fun of Kobe for shooting 6-24, but making the key plays to win the Finals series.

[Mr Exlax]

My recollection of that series is that Boston put an elite defender on him and also had players ready to help if the primary defender got beat. The Celtics knew that he was not only their only offensive threat, but that he initiated the offense for everybody else.

[pauk]

Dont worry guys, Lebron will stop winning championships, be the best & so on eventually.... hold on out there... you can keep at least reflecting on single games he didnt play well.... sometimes you can talk about his hairline... maybe flopping aswell.... better than nothing...

[russwest0]

Dont worry guys, Lebron will stop winning championships & so on eventually.... hold on out there...

If Bail Allen just missed one shot...

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[zoom17]

If Bail Allen just missed one shot...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

get over it loser:lol

[Mr Exlax]

If Bail Allen just missed one shot...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

So wait, LeBron didn't help his team out at all? You just overlook everything else in the series and season? Sure, Ray Allen hit a big time 3. Did LeBron's points earlier in the game not put the Miami Heat in position to win? Damn dog I honestly thought you were a good poster, but I wasn't actually reading your shit. I just saw the Westbrook and figured you knew basketball. Westbrook would be thoroughly disappointed with you homie. Take his pick off and change your name.

[JohnFreeman]

People are comparing the Lakers and Cleveland teams? Jesus :facepalm

[DJ Leon Smith]

Durant stans still mad.:oldlol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GjhNH5yhsL0/Uca6b7JaRTI/AAAAAAAAIO8/e30_wAVWi9c/s1600/LeBron%2BAccolades.jpg

Now I know for sure you're a Kobe stan because you cherry picked this biased image that doesn't even include his ESPY awards.

[zoom17]

So wait, LeBron didn't help his team out at all? You just overlook everything else in the series and season? Sure, Ray Allen hit a big time 3. Did LeBron's points earlier in the game not put the Miami Heat in position to win? Damn dog I honestly thought you were a good poster, but I wasn't actually reading your shit. I just saw the Westbrook and figured you knew basketball. Westbrook would be thoroughly disappointed with you homie. Take his pick off and change your name.

he is far from that:oldlol:

[zoom17]

Now I know for sure you're a Kobe stan because you cherry picked this biased image that doesn't even include his ESPY awards.

you forgot to mention Xmas mvp.:oldlol:

[Mr Exlax]

he is far from that:oldlol:

Like I said man, I had never read any of his posts. I just figured he was good cause you'd have to understand basketball to really appreciate a player like Westbrook. Egg on my face for real.

[Brokenbeat]

you forgot to mention Xmas mvp.:oldlol:

And the LeBronze:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0813/oly_g_jamesbronze_gb1_200.jpg

Hmm, guess he needed more help:

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/gold-medal-kobe1.jpg

http://blog.drjerm.com/BlogImages/kobe_lebron_dwyane.jpg

Edit: Christ, this place is turning me into a Kobestan, smh.

[MadSolar]

:lol

[mr.big35]

2008 celtics in early rounds were hot and cold in home and away. they had to take hawks in 7 games to beat them

[Solefade]

is this a real thread and are people really ****ing comparing the 08 cavs to 08 lakers? holy shit lol


the game plan was simple for the celtics, stop lebron or let lebron score but not his teammates (which they made look pretty easy because of the lack of offensive talent on cleveland). for the lakers you have to game plan for kobe/pau/odom and obviously required a more sophisticated game plan.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe played better D and outside of Pau, Lebrons teammates stepped up alot more

Lebron wasnt even top in 08
KG, CP3, Kobe, Dirk and Timmy were all better


:facepalm Wrong on so many levels... Only Kobe for me, KG/CP3 arguable..

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron had a huge stinker series

[MadSolar]

is this a real thread and are people really ****ing comparing the 08 cavs to 08 lakers? holy shit lol


the game plan was simple for the celtics, stop lebron or let lebron score but not his teammates (which they made look pretty easy because of the lack of offensive talent on cleveland). for the lakers you have to game plan for kobe/pau/odom and obviously required a more sophisticated game plan.
They had the same defensive schemes vs any team. James Posey and Paul Pierce gaurded lebron and kobe if they got past them they had the DPOY amd Kendrick Perkins waiting in the paint. KG dominated Pau and Odom defensively.

[ArbitraryWater]

And the LeBronze:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0813/oly_g_jamesbronze_gb1_200.jpg

Hmm, guess he needed more help:

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/gold-medal-kobe1.jpg

http://blog.drjerm.com/BlogImages/kobe_lebron_dwyane.jpg

Edit: Christ, this place is turning me into a Kobestan, smh.

:lol need to watch out with that shit.