Are we all in agreement that Durant is having one of the best regular seasons ever?

[AngelEyes]

There aren't many perimeter players who could ever be classified as dominant but Durant certainly is one right now. He's appointment television whenever he's playing.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty much.

31/8/6 on 64.4% TS while carrying a team missing it's 2nd best player to something like a 63 win pace is all time great shit...

Kobe fans won't like it, but if Durant finishes the season at numbers like this...it's just better than Kobe's 35/5/5 56% TS 06 season.

[Ancient Legend]

A top 25 season ever, perhaps.

[AngelEyes]

Distributing the ball is coming very natural to him right now. I didn't expect him to improve in this area at this rate.

[BuffaloBill]

his passing and playmaking has gotten a lot better this year. He can pretty much do it all. also his length at his position is pretty much an unfair advantage.

[SHABBA]

His passing out of double teams is so impressive right now. Even at the beginning of the season he was turning it over a lot when trapped. Now he's getting Ibaka so many open looks.

[Jacks3]

318/6/2/65% TS/31 PER is up there with any season ever. still have to see if he can keep it up for the rest of the reg season + the playoffs.

[Mass Debator]

Top 2 peak in the past 10 years if he keeps it up. Needs to get that FT% up a bit though:D

[NumberSix]

It's up there, but I can't go that far. With out even checking, I'm sure Jordan has at least 4 superior seasons.

[kurple]

Kobe fans won't like it, but if Durant finishes the season at numbers like this...it's just better than Kobe's 35/5/5 56% TS 06 season.
the lakers team that won 45 games?

[moe94]

It really is. Durant is having an insane season., no two ways about it.

[DMAVS41]

the lakers team that won 45 games?

What?

I said if Durant finishes this year with these numbers...it will be a better year. His numbers are better...and he'd win like 63 games if they stay on pace.

Not to mention the rules were a complete joke in 06...the game was even more setup for perimeter players than it is now.

So far I'd say Durant has played better defense as well.

In terms of clutch play...

Kobe was at 35/4/3 51% TS per 36 minutes of clutch play

Durant is at 34/9/2 51% TS per 36 minutes of clutch play


I expect Durant to drop off, but he had another great game today. We'll see what happens...

[GOBB]

Dirk with more athletic ability = Durant.

[sammichoffate]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9814uqUKg1ro0pxzo1_500.jpgGOAT this season :bowdown:

[CelticBaller]

A top 25 season ever, perhaps.
If you're an idiot yes

[Smook A.]

If he doesn't win MVP.....

[mr.big35]

and he will get is first ring this year

[Kblaze8855]

It would come down to what you considered "one of". Its clearly a season better than most of the HOF ever had. But I dont know how to rank it among 9 or so years of prime Shaq, 7 or so of prime Duncan, 8 of Wilt, 8-10 of Russell, 7-8 of Oscar, 7 or 8 of Magic and Bird, plus Kareem running wild from 70-80 or so....with prime Barkley, Mcadoo, Hakeem, Lebron, Drob, KG, Kobe, and many others not even accounted for. Then you get to MJ....87-98...take his 5-6 best in there? Moses Malone rampaging....

You are left with like 100 years where if you put them all in a bucket and pulled one out....you start getting shit like:

35/17/5 on a 63 win team


30/11/5 3 blocks 2 steals on a 55 win team

24/24/8 on 68% shooting with 68 wins

30/9/7 and 61 wins

35/6/6 3 steals on 54% shooting on a 50 win team that wasnt that good


31/15 on a team that made the playoffs then won 14 games without him the next year.

30/14/4/3 on 58% winning 67 games


You start pulling out Magic going beserk in 87 putting up like 23/14 assists over 30 games.

Or Bob Mcadoo dropping 36/14 for FOUR MONTHS,

There is so much history overlooked. So many greats. What do we say about Tiny putting up 34, 34, 33, 35, 35, and 32 a game in 6 straight months...while leading the NBA in assists? Do we say so what because he was leaning on guys like Matt Goukas(yes...that Matt Goukas) to help him out and it didnt result in a great record?

If we throw him out what are we left with when Dirk win 67 with a pretty good but not great team? Or considering how that ended...maybe...how about when Rick Barry decides to play team ball and powers rookie Jamaal Wilkes and....._________________....to the NBA title?

Too much happened to slap a ranking on Durants year yet. Calling it top ten or even twenty is just hard to me....we had 20 years of prime Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt alone....and then 20 other guys who had years you can compare to some of their best.

Gotta give credit where its due and move on I guess. Whole lot of history to consider...and trying to say top ____ would lead to a lot of it being disregarded just because fans today dont care that most of it happened.

One of the best is more than fair though. Its just in a really big sack of them.

[MichaelCorleone]

Ever?

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[retaxis]

winning the MVP (which he will) will only further push the media/fans/himself to get that ring otherwise he will be known as a regular season performer. He is now in Lebron's situation previously and must 'get it done'. His performance against the grizzlies in 'clutch' moments were more then poor last year in the playoffs.

[DMAVS41]

It would come down to what you considered "one of". Its clearly a season better than most of the HOF ever had. But I dont know how to rank it among 9 or so years of prime Shaq, 7 or so of prime Duncan, 8 of Wilt, 8-10 of Russell, 7-8 of Oscar, 7 or 8 of Magic and Bird, plus Kareem running wild from 70-80 or so....with prime Barkley, Mcadoo, Hakeem, Lebron, Drob, KG, Kobe, and many others not even accounted for. Then you get to MJ....87-98...take his 5-6 best in there? Moses Malone rampaging....

You are left with like 100 years where if you put them all in a bucket and pulled one out....you start getting shit like:

35/17/5 on a 63 win team


30/11/5 3 blocks 2 steals on a 55 win team

24/24/8 on 68% shooting with 68 wins

30/9/7 and 61 wins

35/6/6 3 steals on 54% shooting on a 50 win team that wasnt that good


31/15 on a team that made the playoffs then won 14 games without him the next year.

30/14/4/3 on 58% winning 67 games


You start pulling out Magic going beserk in 87 putting up like 23/14 assists over 30 games.

Or Bob Mcadoo dropping 36/14 for FOUR MONTHS,

There is so much history overlooked. So many greats. What do we say about Tiny putting up 34, 34, 33, 35, 35, and 32 a game in 6 straight months...while leading the NBA in assists? Do we say so what because he was leaning on guys like Matt Goukas(yes...that Matt Goukas) to help him out and it didnt result in a great record?

If we throw him out what are we left with when Dirk win 67 with a pretty good but not great team? Or considering how that ended...maybe...how about when Rick Barry decides to play team ball and powers rookie Jamaal Wilkes and....._________________....to the NBA title?

Too much happened to slap a ranking on Durants year yet. Calling it top ten or even twenty is just hard to me....we had 20 years of prime Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt alone....and then 20 other guys who had years you can compare to some of their best.

Gotta give credit where its due and move on I guess. Whole lot of history to consider...and trying to say top ____ would lead to a lot of it being disregarded just because fans today dont care that most of it happened.

One of the best is more than fair though. Its just in a really big sack of them.

I agree with all of this, but I don't think Kobe ever had a season on par with what Durant has done so far this season. Assuming of course Durant finishes the season at 31/8/6 64% TS or so...and wins around 60. I bet he drops off a bit...especially with WB coming back, but to date I think this season Durant is playing the regular season better than Kobe ever did.

[BlazerRed]

Pretty much.

31/8/6 on 64.4% TS while carrying a team missing it's 2nd best player to something like a 63 win pace is all time great shit...

Kobe fans won't like it, but if Durant finishes the season at numbers like this...it's just better than Kobe's 35/5/5 56% TS 06 season.

No doubt. This is one of the greatest season of all time.

[Mr. Jabbar]

a worthy sucessor of kobe, eye-test certified club

[BlazerRed]

a worthy sucessor of kobe, eye-test certified club
:oldlol: :cheers:

[Andrei89]

a worthy sucessor of kobe, eye-test certified club

"eye-test"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kirby fans man

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Quickening]

Kobe fans starting to jump ship, at least they learnt from past mistakes and went for an efficient player. :lol :roll: :applause:

[JohnFreeman]

Just wait for the playoffs

[nathanjizzle]

I agree with all of this, but I don't think Kobe ever had a season on par with what Durant has done so far this season. Assuming of course Durant finishes the season at 31/8/6 64% TS or so...and wins around 60. I bet he drops off a bit...especially with WB coming back, but to date I think this season Durant is playing the regular season better than Kobe ever did.

youre dumb, all you know is stats, you dont actually know dynamics of basketball. thats why you still think dirk was a better player than rose in 2011. monte ellis :facepalm

[MichaelCorleone]

Kobe fans starting to jump ship, at least they learnt from past mistakes and went for an efficient player. :lol :roll: :applause:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KendrickPerkins]

Just wait for the playoffs

Are we all in agreement that Durant is having one of the best regular seasons ever?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/6/47qh.jpg

[red1]

youre dumb, all you know is stats, you dont actually know dynamics of basketball. thats why you still think dirk was a better player than rose in 2011. monte ellis :facepalm
he was doe

[Joyner82reload]

It's a top 20 regular season all time as of now, and has the potential to climb into the top 5. If he ends up at something like 31.2/7.8/5.9 66 TS% top 5 all time in PER, #1 all time in WSp48 it could potentially be considered the greatest regular season in the 3 point era.

[truhooper]

yes

[DMAVS41]

youre dumb, all you know is stats, you dont actually know dynamics of basketball. thats why you still think dirk was a better player than rose in 2011. monte ellis :facepalm

dirk was so much better than rose in 11. it's not even comparable taking the entire season into account.

the fact that you actually think is absurd.

I truly can't believe your Rose stans still insist that Rose was better than Dirk ever was...and that he was better in 2011.

It's shocking. Rose was slightly, if at all, better than Monta Ellis at his peak.

Rose remains one of the most over-rated players ever....did nothing in 11 better than James Harden last year.


And back to the topic at hand. The fact that anyone would think it's controversial to say Durant this season so far has been better than Kobe was in 06 is comical.

Durant is putting up better numbers in a tougher conference without the help of the easiest perimeter defensive rules potentially ever...at least of this era.

He's on a team still poised to win 63 games despite his 2nd best player missing over half the games so far.

They are dead even in clutch play so far as well.

Very little supports Kobe being better. Might I remind you that Iverson managed to put up 33/7/3 on 54% TS in 06. Lebron put up 31/7/7 on 57% TS and he wasn't even at his peak yet.

The numbers in 06 by perimeter guys were obviously inflated...

[retaxis]

Whose Rose? Sounds like some scrub who had a good year once upon a time like Tyreke in his rookie year.

[livinglegend]

No
/end thread

[poido123]

dirk was so much better than rose in 11. it's not even comparable taking the entire season into account.

the fact that you actually think is absurd.

I truly can't believe your Rose stans still insist that Rose was better than Dirk ever was...and that he was better in 2011.

It's shocking. Rose was slightly, if at all, better than Monta Ellis at his peak.

Rose remains one of the most over-rated players ever....did nothing in 11 better than James Harden last year.


And back to the topic at hand. The fact that anyone would think it's controversial to say Durant this season so far has been better than Kobe was in 06 is comical.

Durant is putting up better numbers in a tougher conference without the help of the easiest perimeter defensive rules potentially ever...at least of this era.

He's on a team still poised to win 63 games despite his 2nd best player missing over half the games so far.

They are dead even in clutch play so far as well.

Very little supports Kobe being better. Might I remind you that Iverson managed to put up 33/7/3 on 54% TS in 06. Lebron put up 31/7/7 on 57% TS and he wasn't even at his peak yet.

The numbers in 06 by perimeter guys were obviously inflated...



Let it go dude. You were arguing this bullshit in another thread fairly recently...

Rose measured up to the criteria in which an MVP is judged. Whether you personally believed he is deserving is irrelevant. Now shutup. :no:

[BlazerRed]

No
/end thread
umad? :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

umad? :oldlol:
No
u?

[DMAVS41]

Let it go dude. You were arguing this bullshit in another thread fairly recently...

Rose measured up to the criteria in which an MVP is judged. Whether you personally believed he is deserving is irrelevant. Now shutup. :no:

A few things;

1. I didn't bring it up...he did

2. I fully support Rose being MVP...I argued for it all of 2011. Check the threads. Winning MVP does not make one player better than another.

Dirk was clearly better than Rose in 11...

Now shutup

[KendrickPerkins]

umad? :oldlol:
hemad:oldlol: :oldlol:

[tpols]

Hes having a all time great season but we gotta see what happens in the playoffs.. been too many times a player has dominated regular season but flopped in the POs which pretty much erases/downplays what they did in the regular season.

Dirk in 07 and Rose in 11 come to mind:D

[DMAVS41]

Hes having a all time great season but we gotta see what happens in the playoffs.. been too many times a player has dominated regular season but flopped in the POs which pretty much erases/downplays what they did in the regular season.

Dirk in 07 and Rose in 11 come to mind:D

Dirk's 07 was good, but not anything like this.

And of course...if he flops in the playoffs like Dirk did in 07...we will see this season differently.

But back to the Kobe comparison...not a high bar to jump over in the playoffs. Kobe's 06 playoffs (blown 3-1 lead) and game 7 choke aren't much to worry about for Durant.

[poido123]

A few things;

1. I didn't bring it up...he did

2. I fully support Rose being MVP...I argued for it all of 2011. Check the threads. Winning MVP does not make one player better than another.

Dirk was clearly better than Rose in 11...

Now shutup




Winning the MVP doesn't make you the best player, yes you're right there. Sometimes the team isn't good enough to put up a record that supports an MVP candidate.

Dirk had an awesome post season, but this is hindsight we're talking about. Sure, Rose let everyone down in the postseason but he sure was better during the regular season in which he won the MVP award.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Ppl actually arguing Dirk VS Rose in 11:roll: :roll: :roll:
Dirk was EASILY the best player in the league in 2011.
Rose was never close he wasnt even top 5 that year:roll: WTF am i reading:roll: :roll:
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/7/a7a9f_ORIG-spiderman_wtf_am_i_reading.jpg

[BlazerRed]

hemad:oldlol: :oldlol:
somad :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Winning the MVP doesn't make you the best player, yes you're right there. Sometimes the team isn't good enough to put up a record that supports an MVP candidate.

Dirk had an awesome post season, but this is hindsight we're talking about. Sure, Rose let everyone down in the postseason but he sure was better during the regular season in which he won the MVP award.

Actually I'd dispute the regular season in the sense that you think it wasn't close. It actually was very close.

Dirk led his team to 57 wins despite playing in the tougher conference and missing 9 games (team went 2-7 in the process)

Dirk went for 23/7/3 61%TS...23.4 PER
Dirk also put up 32 points per 36 minutes on 63% TS in crunch time in the regular season

Rose went for 25/8/4 55% TS...23.5 PER
Rose also put up 36 points per 36 minutes on 53% TS in crunch time in the regular season

Dirk also had a bigger impact on his teams defense. Mavs were better with Dirk on the floor all year. Bulls actually got way better in the regular season defensively without Rose.

I will spare Rose fans the shame of posting the playoff numbers, ECF numbers, and clutch numbers for the post season

I really don't mind someone saying Rose was slightly better in the regular season, but factoring in the playoffs and Rose's epic collapse in the 11 ECF...it's not close. Regular seasons just don't mean a ton to me either...

Rose had a quality regular season and was fortunate enough to be flanked by the best defense and rebounding team in the league. His season was really good, but honestly no different than Harden last year or Curry this year in any real way.

[Joyner82reload]

Here are the seasons in the 3 point era that have an argument over Durant's. This doesn't mean they're better, it just means they're in the discussion.

Durant '14
Jordan '88
Jordan '90
Jordan '93
Jordan '96
Paul '09
LeBron '09
LeBron '13
LeBron '10
Robinson '94
Shaq '00
Shaq '01
Garnett '04
Bird '86
Bird '88
Duncan '02
Duncan '03
Magic '88
Magic '89
Magic '90
Wade '09

So that is roughly 20 seasons that are comparable. Does this mean Durant is a better player than 1991 Michael Jordan? No, he's just having a better regular season than the one Jordan had.

According to advanced metrics, Durant ranks #1 in WSp48, #4 in PER, #2 in ORTg, and #1 in TS%.

Regular season alone, it's probably only behind Magic '90, Jordan '88, Jordan '90, Jordan '93, and Shaq '00. Equal or above the rest.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron's 30/7/9 season still ranks a little better than Durants current season. Only by a little bit.

[imdaman99]

Don't worry guys, Joyner is performing Voodoo on Westbrook every night to ensure it happens.

The only man to stop Durant this year gonna be Goatbrook. Goatbrook gonna goat :bowdown:

[Joyner82reload]

Lebron's 30/7/9 season still ranks a little better than Durants current season. Only by a little bit.

No it doesn't.

[BlazerRed]

Lebron's 30/7/9 season still ranks a little better than Durants current season. Only by a little bit.
No, it doesn't.

[tpols]

Dirk also had a bigger impact on his teams defense. Mavs were better with Dirk on the floor all year. Bulls actually got way better in the regular season defensively without Rose.

Is there any data for pace on-off stats?


Like if pace was higher with Rose on the court obviously the defense would drop off a little bit because thered be more back and forth. When Bulls bench comes in they struggle to get a shot up and bring the game to a crawl.

[Im Still Ballin]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does

[Joyner82reload]

Yes it does

In what world? His assists were so high due to his ball dominance since Mo Williams got hurt. 8.6 assists aren't anything special for a guy that literally had the ball more than any player in the league that season, including Chris Paul.

The gap in scoring, which is enormous, makes up for LeBron's superior assist numbers.

LeBron 2009 was superior to LeBron 2010 tbh

[rhythmic]

No doubt, Durant is having a legendary season.

[Kblaze8855]

Here are the seasons in the 3 point era that have an argument over Durant's. This doesn't mean they're better, it just means they're in the discussion.

Durant '14
Jordan '88
Jordan '90
Jordan '93
Jordan '96
Paul '09
LeBron '09
LeBron '13
LeBron '10
Robinson '94
Shaq '00
Shaq '01
Garnett '04
Bird '86
Bird '88
Duncan '02
Duncan '03
Magic '88
Magic '89
Magic '90
Wade '09

So that is roughly 20 seasons that are comparable. Does this mean Durant is a better player than 1991 Michael Jordan? No, he's just having a better regular season than the one Jordan had.

According to advanced metrics, Durant ranks #1 in WSp48, #4 in PER, #2 in ORTg, and #1 in TS%.

Regular season alone, it's probably only behind Magic '90, Jordan '88, Jordan '90, Jordan '93, and Shaq '00. Equal or above the rest.

So....MJ in 92 puts up 30/6/6 on 50 something shooting and wins 67 games it has no case over Durant....but the next year they have their worst year of the dynasty years...MJ has to shoot more in many unexpected close games and losses(He had a 64 point loss that year)...it has an argument to be better though he was at times being criticized that year for falling back into habits many felt held the Bulls back?

89 he puts up 33/8/8 with 3 steals a game....no argument though.


Hakeem puts up 26/13/4 assists...with more than 4 blocks a game and 2 steals. Shoots 53%...leads a team of straight up role players to 55 wins. Fininishes ahead of Jordan in the MVP race(In a year you say Jordan has a case to be over current Durant)...but hes got no argument at all. And it may not have been one of his top 3 seasons....he put up 24/14/5 blocks and 2 steals one season and had TWO quadruple doubles doing it and it doesnt even justify a mention? Id assume it was because of his record....but then you have Wade on there when he won 43 games.

Drob has a case for 94....but not for 95 when he actually won the MVP and people were saying he was better than ever leading a 62 win team doing 28/11/3 blocks and 2 steals. Sure he was even more productive in 94 but not one person in 95 would have said he was having a worse year. Shit his second season he did 26/13 4 blocks and 2 steals leading his team to 55 wins while shooting 55%. But no case at all?

Bird puts up 28/9/8 with 2 steals shoots 53/40/91...not arguable...but 86 and 88 are....when ive heard it said by people around him that he was BETTER than 86 in 87 having to carry more of the load with Walton hurt.

31/15 leading a team that has nothing else but an old Elvin Hayes(Think Malone on the Lakers) to the playoffs....hes traded the next year...they win 14 games. He powered that team to the finals one year. And goes to philly and puts up 25/15 on a 65 win team that goes on to nearly sweep the playoffs(not that that counts) and that also has no case. Which id assume was because they were too talented....but the Bird and Magics team arent?

Moses never has a case.

Magic in 90 does...when he beat Barkley in an MVP race closer than it ever was. Barkley got way more first place votes than Magic! He was leading a team with current east talent to 50 something wins vs teams with 80s east talent. And if you dont think his numbers were exceptional enough...that amazing season was probably his 4th or 5th best numbers wise...

There are so many guys you have to just ignore or pretend they only had one year as great as the one you listed to keep the list short. Which says nothing about cutting the list off at the 3 point era as if the league cut 300 guys and built a new league overnight. It was the same players....there is no reason not to count Kareem. He won an MVP in the 3 point era in what you could argue was his 11th best season.

There are just dozens and dozens of years you must find a way to ignore to keep the list as short as you seem to want it. The part about the 30/9/8 Lebron season only having crazy assists because of Mo Williams being limited was amusing....you are just gonna straight ignore that Westbrook is out and not taking away 20 shots a night that Durant is now getting a portion of?

I know youre a fan and all. But you dont see me pretending Kareem doesnt count or Moses wasnt owning the league to prop up Michael Jordan.

Durant is having a season to deserves mention with the greats.

But we dont have to pretend only 20 equal or greater ones happened. The league is nearly 70. Its no insult. A lot of dominant guys have come and gone and most of them had a bunch of years on the highest levels they reached. The number starts to climb. Doesnt mean Durant isnt murdering everyone in his path right now. Kareems greatness takes nothing from Durant and Durants takes nothing from him.

[Jacks3]

Hes having a all time great season but we gotta see what happens in the playoffs.. been too many times a player has dominated regular season but flopped in the POs which pretty much erases/downplays what they did in the regular season.

Dirk in 07 and Rose in 11 come to mind:D
:lol

[smoovegittar]

He's pretty incredible this year.

I still don't think they beat the Pacers