Bus Driver gets spit on, Beats spitter, than gets fired.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sayg2Uf0U1Q

I wish people in america would evaluate cases on case by case bases, instead of applying zero tolerance blanket rules.

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.

[ace23]

Damn he really gave that ***** the work. :roll:

[Myth]

Damn.

[Myth]

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.

:biggums:

[bagelred]

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.

:biggums:

[L.Kizzle]

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.
:biggums:

[Andrei89]

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.

Although the guy deserved to be punched in the face, cmon man, the bus driver went all psychotic on him.

:biggums: :biggums:

[oarabbus]

I feel the bus driver should not have been fired.

:biggums:


Did you see that ass beating? Yeah, your job is gone after something like that.

[MMM]

i can't see the video but if someone is spits on you don't you have some right to self defense. Obviously when self defense comes into play it becomes tricky in determining exactly how much force is necessary.

[Rake2204]

This was an unfortunate incident from both sides, though it was refreshing to hear the victim's father speak reasonably and with limited bias.

[gts]

The bus driver sucker punches him in the back of the head and continues to beat the guy in the back of the head.

That no self defense.

That going donkey kong.

and KyleKong knows Donkey Kong

[MavsSuperFan]

:lol i guess I should take this opinion to the unpopular opinions thread

But yeah I sympathize with the bus driver. I felt the spitter was at fault.

[Akrazotile]

Damn that was a badass wuppin.


I have zero problem with the driver doing it, however the company does have to fire him because you simply can't risk having him act that way in a situation where he might misunderstand what is going on and attack the wrong person or do something like that without legitimate justification.

Basically you have to fire him as a future preventative measure, not as a punishment for this specific incident.

[Akrazotile]

You really think beating someone to that extent over spitting is justifiable?


Yeah.

Don't spit on people.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You really think beating someone to that extent over spitting is justifiable?

If another male spit in your face, you're telling me you wouldn't beat the brakes off of him?

How DONT you overreact to that? :confusedshrug:

[Sarcastic]

That ass was beat senseless. Sarcastic out there laughing.

For real, this is beyond worldstar beatdown. That ass was destroyed. Like I'd take my chances with a literal lion than this dude.


Nice to know that you're always thinking of me.


With regards to this issue, the bus driver absolutely deserved to be fired. But at the same time, the kid who spit needs to know, and now has probably learned that there can be repercussions for one's actions. Spit, speak, or turn off the wrong person, and you may get your ass beat.

[MadeFromDust]

He's trained to call for transit police to arrest the savage. Spitting on someone does not warrant self-defense other than blocking the sputum. If he's not on duty then by all means escalate it with a beat-down to teach the spitter a lesson. He was on duty though. Firing allows him more freedom of personal defense.

[iamgine]

The father is so glad someone taught his kid a lesson :lol

[Myth]

The bus driver sucker punches him in the back of the head and continues to beat the guy in the back of the head.

That no self defense.

That going donkey kong.

Wasn't just a sucker punch. He smashed him in the back of the head with a wheel stop.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Lets get this guy to fight George Zimmerman

[Rasheed1]

I can understand getting spit in the face would make you los it, but you need to be fired..

the company simply cannot employ drivers who have video of them beating the sh*t out of customers..

you beat up a customer, you get fired..

He probably wont be able to ever drive a bus anywhere in the USA again in his life

[dude77]

getting spit on is pretty low .. he deserved that beat down .. I bet he won't be doing that again ..

I can see the driver losing it but he really needed to restrain himself there .. now he's out of a job .. a pretty good one I'm assuming with benefits

[Just2McFly]

KyleKong, please explain to me how does one get "sucker punched " if they spit on a man?

[GoRapz]

Damn that bus driver WHOOPED that niqqa. Wtf was the kid expecting though? Did he really think the bus driver was going to let the kid sleep in the bus terminal until he was refreshed and ready to go? :facepalm :lol

[Rasheed1]

I think the driver is wrong when he yells at the guy and kicks his belongings off the bus..

That sets the stage for the guy to spit in his face..

Spitting in someone's face is vile, and I don't blame the driver for snapping and whupping the guy's ass once he does that, but the driver should have handled the situation better before it got to that point

I ride the bus from time to time and I have seen how rude drivers can treat customers. they have to remember they are representing a company and they are responsible for what happens on the bus.

[Akrazotile]

I think the driver is wrong when he yells at the guy and kicks his belongings off the bus..

That sets the stage for the guy to spit in his face..

Spitting in someone's face is vile, and I don't blame the driver for snapping and whupping the guy's ass once he does that, but the driver should have handled the situation better before it got to that point

I ride the bus from time to time and I have seen how rude drivers can treat customers. they have to remember they are representing a company and they are responsible for what happens on the bus.


Yeah, this was actually the starting point of the thing. I understand the dudes frustration but he really should have just radioed for security to come and handle it. Honestly once he made the call the kid probably would have just gotten up and got off.

You can't touch a passengers belongings just cause he won't get off. I mean, in theory you should be able to because the kid is being a jackass, but technically you just can't.

Ultimately... I'm still glad the kid ended up getting his ass beat.

[dude77]

he really should have just radioed for security to come and handle it

this pretty much sums it up

[Rasheed1]

this pretty much sums it up


exactly.. security is paid to remove the guy & even kick the guy's ass if they need to.. the driver is paid to drive the bus

these jobs can be stressful, and sometimes people need to remember what their jobs are & just let others handle the jobs they are paid to do

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think the driver is wrong when he yells at the guy and kicks his belongings off the bus..

That sets the stage for the guy to spit in his face..

Spitting in someone's face is vile, and I don't blame the driver for snapping and whupping the guy's ass once he does that, but the driver should have handled the situation better before it got to that point

I ride the bus from time to time and I have seen how rude drivers can treat customers. they have to remember they are representing a company and they are responsible for what happens on the bus.


he really should have just radioed for security to come and handle it

True. If it ever escalated to the point in the vid, though...call me crazy, but I just dont know how you restrain yourself. :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

this pretty much sums it up


Actually your avatar and this story kind of go hand in hand.

If there had been no video footage of this and that young dude had pulled out a weapon and shot the driver who was attacking him, then what?

Would people say "Dude, he was 61 years old! No way he could have been a real threat to you. And seriously, you should have just gotten off quietly. If you hadn't spit you'd never have been attacked! You are at fault for defending yourself legally with a weapon because you provoked him!"


I mean not to bring the whole trayvonz thing into this thread, except to just make the point that.... basically the motivation for every "zimmerman is guilty" believer was race/revenge, not common sense. That's all. :confusedshrug:

[oarabbus]

exactly.. security is paid to remove the guy & even kick the guy's ass if they need to.. the driver is paid to drive the bus

these jobs can be stressful, and sometimes people need to remember what their jobs are & just let others handle the jobs they are paid to do


This guy gets it.

To people asking, the point is the bus driver shouldn't have let the situation escalate to getting spit on in the first place, he shoulda just hit up security. If you say it's unfair, think about it this way - the driver something to lose (his job) and the hungover dude had nothing to lose.

[Akrazotile]

This guy gets it.

To people asking, the point is the bus driver shouldn't have let the situation escalate to getting spit on in the first place, he shoulda just hit up security. If you say it's unfair, think about it this way - the driver something to lose (his job) and the hungover dude had nothing to lose.


Except a few teeth.

[Draz]

I'd take my chances with Floyd Mayweather

[RidonKs]

exactly.. security is paid to remove the guy & even kick the guy's ass if they need to.. the driver is paid to drive the bus
think about it from the driver's perspective

he wants his break. this asswipe won't let him take it. who knows where he is. maybe its a busy terminal or maybe he's at some waystation in the middle of nowhere. security is going to take time to get there, again who knows how long. this is a public transit system. 10 minutes? 15? that right there is the whole break! and he's certainly not going to get that "break time" back on good faith from his bosses, he's got another bus route to cover. aaaaand so he doesn't get his break lol



a spit in the face is sorta the ultimate non-violent insult though. there's a reason you mostly only hear it these days as a metaphor. i wonder if i'd go as bonkers as this guy did... certainly not on the job, in that case you gotta suck it up and think about tomorrow. but everyday circumstance? yea i'd probably flip, at least i hope i would.

[Rasheed1]

think about it from the driver's perspective

he wants his break. this asswipe won't let him take it. who knows where he is. maybe its a busy terminal or maybe he's at some waystation in the middle of nowhere. security is going to take time to get there, again who knows how long. this is a public transit system. 10 minutes? 15? that right there is the whole break! and he's certainly not going to get that "break time" back on good faith from his bosses, he's got another bus route to cover. aaaaand so he doesn't get his break lol

He's got all the break he needs now.. :lol a permanent break

I understand your point and I also sympathize with the driver to a degree.. But I also understand that workers need to maintain a sense of perspective..

What job can a worker whoop a customer's ass and not get fired? there aren't many jobs .. I cant think of any

you just need to put your ego aside (and your yearning for break time) and follow the proper protocol when on the job.. We say it about athletes all the time on this board, but it goes for regular workers too.. Be a professional... Like Jalen Rose says on his podcast... "Don't get fired" :lol







in the face is sorta the ultimate non-violent insult though. there's a reason you mostly only hear it these days as a metaphor. i wonder if i'd go as bonkers as this guy did... certainly not on the job, in that case you gotta suck it up and think about tomorrow. but everyday circumstance? yea i'd probably flip, at least i hope i would.

a spit in the face is worse than a punch in the face IMO... its non-violent, but twice as disrespectful.. It makes you snap on instinct..

you don't even spit on a dog.. to walk by and casually spit in a guy's face? :biggums: WAR!!!!

but that is all the more reason why the driver needs to be a professional from the start..

Don't create a situation where you wind up f*cking up the customers.. you have everything to lose ultimately

[RidonKs]

Like Jalen Rose says on his podcast... "Don't get fired"
mr busdriver aint gettin no mo checks


yea of course he should get fired. were it a shove, even a single punch throw out of instinct... maybe i'd agree. i was primarily responding to the "call security" response which might not be as obvious as people think, again from the drivers perspective.




still though... maybe his reaction is what makes mr busdriver the principled man and us just a couple saps pretending at it. he responds instinctively to what we both agree is about the vilest most degrading act you can perpetrate on another by going savage mode. rightfully so. whereas we say, but what he SHOULD... even better, what I WOULD have done is shut up and smile and keep working.

supposedly our livelihood, our literal means of survival, is provided by our superiors for whatever we happen to do between 9 and 5. or so the system maintains. and that's how we're supposed to believe it works. lose the job, lose the bread.

and yet this bus driver, if he's dedicated and determined and maybe if he stays just bitter enough as a result of these rather unfortunate recent events, may well find a job he likes just as well, maybe even one that pays as well. and even if it pays less, he'll look back on this life changing incident where more people saw his face than the whole rest of his life combined... and he'll probably feel pretty good about it. :confusedshrug:

[Myth]

think about it from the driver's perspective

he wants his break.

Well, he got his break now.

There wasn't even a threat of calling security/cops. That should have been done before going off, and if the guy doesn't then you make the call. Anybody who has worked with people have been screwed out of a break. No reason to go berserk because of it.

Both were way way WAY in the wrong. There is no person in the right here.

[BrownEye007]

Damn that was a badass wuppin.


I have zero problem with the driver doing it, however the company does have to fire him because you simply can't risk having him act that way in a situation where he might misunderstand what is going on and attack the wrong person or do something like that without legitimate justification.

Basically you have to fire him as a future preventative measure, not as a punishment for this specific incident.
Using that logic companies should just fire all of their employees so that nothing can ever go wrong.

[dude77]

This reminds me so much of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejfS2R8FoQ


holy shit :roll:

'you goin' to hell now' .. then baaaaam lol ..

lol@her saying you're going to jail now after getting her ass beat

[PHX_Phan]

Lol how do you feel he shouldn't be fired? Spitting is a pretty big insult but he was wailing on the guy and dude wasn't even in a position to defend himself. Not only was that an overreaction but dude is right in front of a camera at work. Of course he's fired. :lol

[tomtucker]

i can't see the video but if someone is spits on you don't you have some right to self defense. Obviously when self defense comes into play it becomes tricky in determining exactly how much force is necessary.

yeah, you can only spit back

[ace23]

This reminds me so much of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejfS2R8FoQ
Been too long since I've seen this.

Hit her with Fight Night Round 3 haymaker. Lol

[LJJ]

Why was it too excessive? Lessons learned I think.

[tomtucker]

This reminds me so much of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejfS2R8FoQ


http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120413112554/streetfighter/images/7/72/Ryu-shoryukens.gif

[RidonKs]

Well, he got his break now.

There wasn't even a threat of calling security/cops. That should have been done before going off, and if the guy doesn't then you make the call. Anybody who has worked with people have been screwed out of a break. No reason to go berserk because of it.

Both were way way WAY in the wrong. There is no person in the right here.
my point is threatening to call security or police does nothing to solve his problem about which he would be threatening to call security or police. either way, he has to stay on the damn bus. nobody's giving golden moral stars to anybody here, just considering what probably ran through his head.

and do people really think moving buddy's stuff off the bus was such a bad move? i mean, it got the dude up. so it worked. after that, well everybody done ****ed up. but up to that point, i don't think he made any outlandish decisions here. he made the calls i'd like to think i'd make.... up to the point he goes bananas and wallops the asshole.

just ramblin here though lol, exceptional situations like these, who knows how you react

[Draz]

Regardless of how late of a reaction the bus driver made upon being spat on he had the right to defend himself. Although one can argue his anger and rage defending himself took a toll when he continued to merciless become the offender. You're allowed to defend yourself to the extent of taking control. After being in complete control and becoming the aggressor you can and will be pinned down for it. Unless both parties come to an outside agreement that it shouldn't of ever happened I see the bus driver being fired for good and facing some serious penalties.

[Keno]

I would've did the same. **** you spitting in my face for.

[East_Stone_Ya]

drunk or not he deserved it

[Rasheed1]

my point is threatening to call security or police does nothing to solve his problem about which he would be threatening to call security or police. either way, he has to stay on the damn bus. nobody's giving golden moral stars to anybody here, just considering what probably ran through his head.

and do people really think moving buddy's stuff off the bus was such a bad move? i mean, it got the dude up. so it worked. after that, well everybody done ****ed up. but up to that point, i don't think he made any outlandish decisions here. he made the calls i'd like to think i'd make.... up to the point he goes bananas and wallops the asshole.

just ramblin here though lol, exceptional situations like these, who knows how you react


You don't threaten to call security… You call them for real, and let them remove the guy

He shouldn't have touched the guy's stuff.. That is what got everything going in the wrong direction.. Yes, moving his stuff was a bad idea. What if the guy pulls out gun and shoots the driver?

Im sure there is strict protocols on how to deal with unruly customers.. People sleeping on the bus is a fairly common occurrence.. The driver had to had to know better

Funny thing is, Ive never seen (or heard of) a woman do that.. I have seen mean women bus drivers, but i have never seen a woman bold enough to kick a man's belongings off the bus..

[HylianNightmare]

12 years and no other incidents? Poor driver must've been fed the f up