2015 nba finals. game 7. lakers vs heat. kobe has chance to catch MJ

[kennethgriffin]

lakers down 2.

under a minute left.

kobe has wide open layup

does this happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3NvhxKicJY

[kennethgriffin]

scratch that...


a wide open layup and a wide open tip in


and being defended by a guy 5 inches shorter*

[Mure]

This dude is delusional. Ignored.

[Milbuck]

Man, you gotta stop. Kobe is one of the greatest players of all time but you're not doing him any justice.

[BlazerRed]

Now you're going at Tim Duncan? No shame man, no shame :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

does this happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3NvhxKicJY
:lol

[215Philly]

3 Fmvp

[Deuce Bigalow]

3 Fmvp
01

[kennethgriffin]

This dude is delusional. Ignored.

:biggums: jan 2014 alt ignores me? :(

[Trollsmasher]

Kobe bricks the layup, Pau tips it in to win his 3rd FMVP:applause:

[215Philly]

01
3 :sleeping

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe bricks the layup, Pau tips it in to win his 3rd FMVP:applause:


i'd take that.. but common.. has kobe ever missed a clutch layup in the playoffs? i dunno maybe he has once.. but i cant remember

i just cant seem to be able to picture kobe missing in that situation. i would bet my life and my families lives on him making that shot under those circumstances

it would be like the regulation shot vs the suns to send it into OT back in 2006


that shot was rediculously difficult. it was a sideways buzzer beating over the hip 1 handed floater that went above the backboard and swished ... i still to this day have never seen another floater identical to that one

kobe would be able to throw it in with his knee or elbow if he had to..

[215Philly]

Kobe bricks the layup, Pau tips it in to win his 3rd FMVP:applause:
:roll: :roll:

[DMAVS41]

i'd take that.. but common.. has kobe ever missed a clutch layup in the playoffs? i dunno maybe he has once.. but i cant remember

i just cant seem to be able to picture kobe missing in that situation. i would bet my life and my families lives on him making that shot under those circumstances

it would be like the regulation shot vs the suns to send it into OT back in 2006


that shot was rediculously difficult. it was a sideways buzzer beating over the hip 1 handed floater that went above the backboard and swished ... i still to this day have never seen another floater identical to that one

kobe would be able to throw it in with his knee or elbow if he had to..

probably...considering he's 7 of 29 or some shit on playoff game winners for his career.

[kennethgriffin]

3 :sleeping


technically duncan has 2 fmvps..

1999 is actually asterisk'd in the nba record books for being a lockout season and not the same as a full season... and anything done that year must be put into a class by itself

[kennethgriffin]

probably...considering he's 7 of 29 or some shit on playoff game winners for his career.

i made a thread not too long ago explaining game winning shot percentage.. take a look and re think your stance on the subject.. i'm quite intelligent you know

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=323592

[215Philly]

technically duncan has 2 fmvps..

1999 is actually asterisk'd in the nba record books for being a lockout season and not the same as a full season... and anything done that year must be put into a class by itself
3 is 3, Deal with it :sleeping

[DMAVS41]

i made a thread not too long ago explaining game winning shot percentage.. take a look and re think your stance on the subject.. i'm quite intelligent you know

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=323592

That isn't how they measure it.

It's any shot made in the final 24 seconds to tie or take the lead. So even if a team goes onto lose after a player makes a shot under the above criteria...they still get credit for it.
http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/

My bad...he's 7 of 27

[CeilingFan#1]

scratch that...


a wide open layup and a wide open tip in


and being defended by a guy 5 inches shorter*

Which is it? Wide open or defended?

[retaxis]

Tim Duncan is a great player, a great role model, an educated man and has a big heart.

There is absolutely no reason to 'hate' on someone like him unless you are some insecure little sh1t.

[ImKobe]

Tim Duncan is a great player, a great role model, an educated man and has a big heart.

There is absolutely no reason to 'hate' on someone like him unless you are some insecure little sh1t.

Not hating on him, teasing the spur fans and Kobe haters. Duncan is a class act, but him never getting criticized for coming short in a Game 7 of the Finals is never brought up by the media or the fans. All I hear is the Ray Allen 3.

[fragokota]

lay off the crack OP...

[T_L_P]

Not hating on him, teasing the spur fans and Kobe haters. Duncan is a class act, but him never getting criticized for coming short in a Game 7 of the Finals is never brought up by the media or the fans. All I hear is the Ray Allen 3.

Again, man, nobody says shit when Duncan wins, so why should he be crucified when he doesn't? If it weren't for Duncan, San Antonio would not have even been in a position to tie the game with 1:00 remaining. Have you ever thought of that?

I've literally posted this 5+ times and you've ignored me every time. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Again, man, nobody says shit when Duncan wins, so why should he be crucified when he doesn't? If it weren't for Duncan, San Antonio would not have even been in a position to tie the game with 1:00 remaining. Have you ever thought of that?

I've literally posted this 5+ times and you've ignored me every time. :confusedshrug:

They were in position to win that Game, just like they were in Game 6 when they were up 10 or 8 points in the 4th quarter. They (INCLUDING Tim Duncan) didn't get it done when it mattered the most. They did well enough to put them in a position to win an NBA title, but they didn't CLOSE the deal. The same way Lebron didn't in 2011.

[T_L_P]

They were in position to win that Game, just like they were in Game 6 when they were up 10 or 8 points in the 4th quarter. They (INCLUDING Tim Duncan) didn't get it done when it mattered the most. They did well enough to put them in a position to win an NBA title, but they didn't CLOSE the deal. The same way Lebron didn't in 2011.

You've still ignored my main point, for no apparent reason.

Why should Duncan be crucified when nobody gives him the time of day for his multiple successes? He doesn't crave attention like Kobe or LeBron, and yet you feel like he should be criticized in the same regard?

[Dresta]

Come on, we all know Kobe wouldn't be getting a layup and this would happen:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/kobeselfish.jpg

[BoutPractice]

Tim Duncan has four titles as the man... if Ray Allen misses that three he suddenly has five. He's incredibly close to having as many as seven titles (perhaps even eight if you think they should've won in 2012, but I'm mainly sticking to 2004 and 2006 as obvious "what ifs")... the Spurs are the perfect example of the role of luck in winning championships. One roll can make all the difference, as LeBron can attest.

What isn't luck, however, is the empirical fact that he's led the most consistently successful organization in the NBA for over 16 years. That's right, 16 years. Started as the top and has stayed here ever since. Over a large, genuinely representative sample of games... the Spurs have had the best winning percentage in the league. And most of it is thanks to Duncan. Popovich's record before Tim Duncan arrived to save the franchise was 17-47. History will be very kind to The Big Fundamental, all the numbers stack up in his favour. Kareem too was "boring" to watch, but the results he ended up with just speak for themselves. Duncan's legacy is somewhere between this era's Russell and Kareem... the ultimate winner like Russell - not quite as clutch (though I can point to a few well-known "unclutch" Russell plays), but with more longevity than Russell, and in that respect more like Kareem, the superstar big that just won't die.

I know it's a somewhat controversial claim at this stage, but I do think that if you look strictly as resumes... Duncan has among the very best in the history of the game. Near the very top. His career is almost... unimpeachable. There's no hole, he has an answer for every criticism you could use against a player right in his resume. It all just adds up perfectly.

[ninephive]

Here's your answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQDsZljAOY

[ninephive]

Which is it? Wide open or defended?
Hahahahah so true. In his delusion, he can't even make a logical point.

[T_L_P]

Tim Duncan has four titles as the man... if Ray Allen misses that three he suddenly has five. He's incredibly close to having as many as seven titles (perhaps even eight if you think they should've won in 2012, but I'm mainly sticking to 2004 and 2006 as obvious "what ifs")... the Spurs are the perfect example of the role of luck in winning championships. One roll can make all the difference, as LeBron can attest.

What isn't luck, however, is the empirical fact that he's led the most consistently successful organization in the NBA for over 16 years. That's right, 16 years. Started as the top and has stayed here ever since. Over a large, genuinely representative sample of games... the Spurs have had the best winning percentage in the league. And most of it is thanks to Duncan. Popovich's record before Tim Duncan arrived to save the franchise was 17-47. History will be very kind to The Big Fundamental, all the numbers stack up in his favour. Kareem too was "boring" to watch, but the results he ended up with just speak for themselves. Duncan's legacy is somewhere between this era's Russell and Kareem... the ultimate winner like Russell - not quite as clutch (though I can point to a few well-known "unclutch" Russell plays), but with more longevity than Russell, and in that respect more like Kareem, the superstar big that just won't die.

I know it's a somewhat controversial claim at this stage, but I do think that if you look strictly as resumes... Duncan has among the very best in the history of the game. Near the very top. His career is almost... unimpeachable. There's no hole, he has an answer for every criticism you could use against a player right in his resume. It all just adds up perfectly.

:bowdown:

[ImKobe]

You've still ignored my main point, for no apparent reason.

Why should Duncan be crucified when nobody gives him the time of day for his multiple successes? He doesn't crave attention like Kobe or LeBron, and yet you feel like he should be criticized in the same regard?

No one gives him the time of the day? The guy is ranked top 10 all-time by everybody, the Spurs are one of the most respected franchises in NBA history. The guy gets all the praise in the world for being productive at his age and he was hyped up in the Finals by all fans on NBA Forums, even on ISH. And when a top 10 all-time player couldn't make a wide open layup to tie the Game in the last minute of a Finals elimination game, he's supposed to be criticized for it.

Duncan has many "stans", you are one of them. San Antonio has a huge fanbase and he's getting praised daily.

[T_L_P]

No one gives him the time of the day? The guy is ranked top 10 all-time by everybody, the Spurs are one of the most respected franchises in NBA history. The guy gets all the praise in the world for being productive at his age and he was hyped up in the Finals by all fans on NBA Forums, even on ISH. And when a top 10 all-time player couldn't make a wide open layup to tie the Game in the last minute of a Finals elimination game, he's supposed to be criticized for it.

Duncan has many "stans", you are one of them. San Antonio has a huge fanbase and he's getting praised daily.

I'm talking about ESPN making more out of Kobe's awful return this season than Duncan's sustained excellence. I'm talking about people choosing to give Duncan his props without full recognition (see TV rating for his Finals appearances). Of course he was talked about when he made last year's Finals...but was he when he dragged that Spurs team to a 'ship in 2003?

But what it really comes down to is what Tim wants. Like I said, he doesn't crave the attention like Kobe or LeBron. When Parker won the Finals MVP in 2007, nobody was happier for him than Tim. What do you think Kobe's reaction would have been if Pau won the Finals MVP in 2010? That's what separates him from the Kobe's and LeBron's.

They get all the attention when they're winning (and they bask in it), so it is only right they get the same, negative attention when they're losing, or, as you wrongfully put it, 'choking'.

[BoutPractice]

No one gives him the time of the day? The guy is ranked top 10 all-time by everybody, the Spurs are one of the most respected franchises in NBA history. The guy gets all the praise in the world for being productive at his age and he was hyped up in the Finals by all fans on NBA Forums, even on ISH. And when a top 10 all-time player couldn't make a wide open layup to tie the Game in the last minute of a Finals elimination game, he's supposed to be criticized for it.

Duncan has many "stans", you are one of them. San Antonio has a huge fanbase and he's getting praised daily.

Duncan does have fans, but they tend to be a different kind of person than the typical Kobe stan. They tend to be more quiet, more moderate in expressing their thoughts - they're less prone to making wild claims. In a sense that's Duncan's problem when it comes to his reputation. Every day the crazies are putting Kobe in the top 3 and Duncan somewhere near the tail end of the top 10... but few Duncan fans will argue that Duncan is top 5, for instance, even though he arguably has more of a case than Kobe. Few people ever attempt to make that argument, and it does have legs - I could easily make it, but see, something in me prevents me from going too far, from being too extreme, an inhibition Kobe stans typically don't have. Still I'd say it's at least worth having a conversation about TD being underrated from time to time... Yet I have no illusions: Kobe stans will always dominate the conversation and set the terms of the discourse because of their exaggerated opinions.

[LoneyROY7]

No need to worry OP...that scenario won't come close to happening.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe bricks the layup, Pau tips it in to win his 3rd FMVP:applause:


:lol This exactly haha. Pau tips it in