The Definition of Overrating: Kobe a Starting All-Star, Duncan Not A Reserve

[ninephive]

While yet again anchoring the 3rd best team in the NBA.

[navy]

Kobe is an Allstar because his stans are stupid and voted for him, not because anyone actually thinks he's a good player at the moment.

[Uncle Drew]

No ASG for Timmy is a blessing in disguise anyway, the man needs some rest.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe being a starter only made it more likely for Duncan to make the team as a reserve when he was replaced. Forgive them Kobe for they know not what they do.

[gts]

That's OK the coaches will fix the error and name him a reserve, they know what's up

[Bush4Ever]

There is a ridiculous amount of inertia to all-star game voting anyway.

Who cares? It is a glorified exhibition game that many of the old pros would probably prefer to miss anyway.

[HOoopCityJones]

What about when Duncan made the Team the year it shoulda went to one of the Gasol's or K.Love.

I think Pop was Coaching that game.

[ArbitraryWater]

What about when Duncan made the Team the year it shoulda went to one of the Gasol's or K.Love.

I think Pop was Coaching that game.


Before 2013 he made it 2011 the last time... Pau did make it, however timmy didnt deserve it.

[rmt]

What about when Duncan made the Team the year it shoulda went to one of the Gasol's or K.Love.

I think Pop was Coaching that game.

Well, how about Duncan not getting DPOY last year? Gasol got it because MEM was a great defensive team - disregarding that he plays with both Tony Allen and Mike Conley. Anyway, won't dwell on that. Spurs got them back in the playoffs.

[Manila]

Really don't like Kobe. Overrated, same with melo.

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe is an all star. People actually LIKE to watch him play. Nobody cares about Duncan

[Milbuck]

The ****ing fans voted Kobe in. This may come as a shocker to you, but Kobe is substantially more popular than Timmy. Kobe wouldn't have been on the roster either if it wasn't for his fans.

This isn't thread worthy.

[scm5]

The ****ing fans voted Kobe in. This may come as a shocker to you, but Kobe is substantially more popular than Timmy. Kobe wouldn't have been on the roster either if it wasn't for his fans.

This isn't thread worthy.

Exactly this.

People vote in the players they want to see for the ASG, how is that overrating someone?

Do you know what the ASG is or the definition of "overrated" is?

I think you might be confusing being an All-Star with All-NBA Team selections.

[T_L_P]

Duncan didn't deserve DPOY over his own teammate Kawhi Leonard. Roy Hibbert defensive impact > Duncans.

Nobody in their right mind would say Duncan deserved DPOY last year. Don't be ridiculous.

Kawhi over Tim. Are you serious?

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/3/20/4126524/tim-duncan-NBA-dpoy-defensive-player-year-DuncanDPOY

[orange_chicken]

Dont hate nikka blame the media and league for hying Kobe while he was their former goldenboy. It's the same as Lebron would get the most vote for 'best player in the world' even though he plays with a superstar team.

[ninephive]

Exactly this.

People vote in the players they want to see for the ASG, how is that overrating someone?

Do you know what the ASG is or the definition of "overrated" is?

I think you might be confusing being an All-Star with All-NBA Team selections.
This is the whole point of the thread. Kobe is so overhyped and overrated that he even makes the All-Star game without playing. People (even some in this forum) still use All-Star appearances when comparing players' greatness and this just goes to show that a popular player can make it without even playing, whereas an underappreciated player doesn't make it even when he anchors one of the best teams in the league.

[oarabbus]

Kobe is an all star. People actually LIKE to watch him play. Nobody cares about Duncan

:coleman:


Duncan didn't deserve DPOY over his own teammate Kawhi Leonard. Roy Hibbert defensive impact > Duncans.

Nobody in their right mind would say Duncan deserved DPOY last year. Don't be ridiculous.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[rmt]

Duncan didn't deserve DPOY over his own teammate Kawhi Leonard. Roy Hibbert defensive impact > Duncans.

Nobody in their right mind would say Duncan deserved DPOY last year. Don't be ridiculous.

Sounds like you didn't watch any Spurs game in the regular season which is what DPOY is based on. Included Hibbert's playoffs since that's probably what you're basing your comments on. Duncan was a big part of why Spurs swept both LAL and MEM - awesome defense on DH, P. Gasol, Zach and M. Gasol.

Duncan/Leonard RS
DRB 8.1 / 4.9
STL 0.7 /1.7
BLK 2.7 / 0.6
DRB% 29.6 / 17.1
STL% 1.2 / 2.7
BLK% 6.4 / 1.3
DRtg 95 / 99
DWS 4.9 / 3.3

Duncan/Hibbert RS
DRB 8.1 / 4.6
STL 0.7 / 0.5
BLK 2.7 / 2.6
DRB% 29.6 / 17.4
STL% 1.2 / 0.9
BLK% 6.4 / 6.7
DRtg 95 / 97
DWS 4.9 / 4.9

Duncan/Hibbert Playoffs
DRB 7.6 / 5.2
STL 0.9 / 0.2
BLK 1.6 / 1.9
DRB% 24.2 / 15.9
STL% 1.3 / 0.2
BLK% 3.5 / 4.4
DRtg 98 / 104
DWS 1.4 / 0.8

[KyrieTheFuture]

All NBA teams are like 100 times better than all star selections

[ihatetimthomas]

This is the whole point of the thread. Kobe is so overhyped and overrated that he even makes the All-Star game without playing. People (even some in this forum) still use All-Star appearances when comparing players' greatness and this just goes to show that a popular player can make it without even playing, whereas an underappreciated player doesn't make it even when he anchors one of the best teams in the league.

This is dumb. Obvious Kobe hater agenda thread but ill still respond. Who doesn't appreciate and respect Duncan as a all time great? Who doesn't consider him one of the best all time? Really, tell me who. Being less popular and not voted into the all star game does not take away from who he is and what he has accomplished. You have to be dumb as **** to not respect him and not getting into this all star game changes nothing.

Grant Hill was voted into the all star game in 05 when he made his comeback. Did that mean people thought he was better than DWade or Gilbert Arenas?

[talamo]

So people still don't understand that the all star game is just a popularity contest and just a show for the fans... who gives a **** how good timmy d is at anchoring defense u think that's what people wanna see in the all-star game?

[davehos]

No ASG for Timmy is a blessing in disguise anyway, the man needs some rest.

Yeah. We folks at InsideHoops know what's best for Timmy.

He should be in the ASG. His stats are just as good, if not better, as Dwight Howard.

[Black and White]

Some of you are overreacting over a popularity contest

[davehos]

Per 36 minutes


Howard


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2013-14 28 HOU NBA C 51 51 1746 7.1 12.3 .579 0.0 0.1 .400 7.1 12.2 .580 5.5 10.1 .541 3.4 9.6 13.0 1.8 1.0 1.9 3.3 3.7 19.7

Duncan


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2013-14 37 SAS NBA C 47 47 1391 7.5 15.3 .491 0.0 0.1 .000 7.5 15.3 .493 3.7 5.3 .702 2.7 9.6 12.3 3.5 0.6 2.6 2.6 2.1 18.8

[Jameerthefear]

Duncan didn't deserve DPOY over his own teammate Kawhi Leonard. Roy Hibbert defensive impact > Duncans.

Nobody in their right mind would say Duncan deserved DPOY last year. Don't be ridiculous.
Stop.

[fpliii]

Duncan didn't deserve DPOY over his own teammate Kawhi Leonard. Roy Hibbert defensive impact > Duncans.

Nobody in their right mind would say Duncan deserved DPOY last year. Don't be ridiculous.
SMH

[Uncle Drew]

Yeah. We folks at InsideHoops know what's best for Timmy.

He should be in the ASG. His stats are just as good, if not better, as Dwight Howard.
So, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Over the last 10 games, Timmy has been averaging over 30 minutes per game. Hell, he played 40 in Washington the other night. At this point in his career, that's too much. So the All-Star break comes as a well deserved rest. There's no point in wasting energy on a game he's not even interested in. Timmy needs to be healthy and rested come playoff time.

[davehos]

So, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Over the last 10 games, Timmy has been averaging over 30 minutes per game. Hell, he played 40 in Washington the other night. At this point in his career, that's too much. So the All-Star break comes as a well deserved rest. There's no point in wasting energy on a game he's not even interested in. Timmy needs to be healthy and rested come playoff time.

I agree with you BUT he is an all-time great player, playing at a high level, and has set a standard for class and sportsmanship.

It's the NBA's loss that Tim Duncan is not in the ASG.

[KrizMiz]

it has nothing to do with overreacting the starting 5 is a popularity contest

if kobe wasnt in the starting 5 he wouldnt get voted in !

[imdaman99]

Kobe is a lot more marketable than Duncan. If you wanna blame someone for no one ever buying a Duncan jersey, blame Pop + San Antonio + Timmy's boring persona. But still he's the GOAT PF :cheers:

[longtime lurker]

While yet again anchoring the 3rd best team in the NBA.

Kobe was voted, but he's not playing because of injury. Tim Duncan could have been voted in by the coaches but he wasn't. I think we know who's really getting overrated here.

[BrownEye007]

So people still don't understand that the all star game is just a popularity contest and just a show for the fans... who gives a **** how good timmy d is at anchoring defense u think that's what people wanna see in the all-star game?
I don't understand why most people don't mind that Kobe is in the game even though he hasn't played most of the season but Kyrie gets a ton of hate for making it this year. And Kyrie was basically the star of the show last year.

[ihatetimthomas]

I don't understand why most people don't mind that Kobe is in the game even though he hasn't played most of the season but Kyrie gets a ton of hate for making it this year. And Kyrie was basically the star of the show last year.

Maybe people don't mind because of Kobe's reputation. You know the guy with 5 rings and incredible longevity and one of the greatest to ever play the game? Kyrie getting hate because hes proven nothing and is regressing from where he was last year. His leadership and loyalty to the Cavs org has taken a serious hit this year too.

Kobe def. didnt deserve to make it but it doesn't take a genius to understand why he is not hated on much for making it.

[Chrono90]

Maybe it's cause of 13 years of hard work and consistency on a great level?

[Smoke117]

This would be only true if the coaches had put in Kobe.