More impressive: Derek Fisher's 0.4 or Ray Allen's Game 6?

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Derek Fisher: http://youtu.be/Dqd1Rx82bno

Ray Ray: http://youtu.be/tr6XsZVb-ZE




some of the most clutch and improbable shots ever in NBA playoff history

[Smook A.]

Well one of the shots saved a team from losing a championship. That one shot changed history

Im gonna have to go with Ray Allen's shot. So much pressure. Whole world watching. That single shot pretty much changed everything

Fisher's shot was impressive and that won Lakers the game in the playoffs. Even if that shot didn't go in, the series between the Lakers and Spurs would've still been on.

[moe94]

More impressive? Obviously Fisher. More memorable? Ray.

[navy]

More impressive? Obviously Fisher. More memorable? Ray.
This.

Ray Allen just hit a 3 in the corner. Nothing else.

[Magic 32]

Derek Fisher: http://youtu.be/Dqd1Rx82bno

Ray Ray: http://youtu.be/tr6XsZVb-ZE




some of the most clutch and improbable shots ever in NBA playoff history

Ray's shot saved a man's legacy, dignity and possibly his fans sanity.

[NumberSix]

The one that was legitimate.

[Magic 32]

The one that was legitimate.


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[Deuce Bigalow]

Series was tied 2-2 for Fisher

Heat would have been eliminated if Ray's shit missed

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you know what i noticed? you post and reply with pics 100x more often than you do with words...

you must have been one of those kids who did book reports of picture books when you were growing up huh?

[Magic 32]

you know what i noticed? you post and reply with pics 100x more often than you do with words...

you must have been one of those kids who did book reports of picture books when you were growing up huh?

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[gin17]

ray allen was the difference between lebron being a bigtime choker and currently having a chance to still go up the GOAT rankings. he literally saved and defined lebron's career

[moe94]

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:roll:

[Smoke117]

There was nothing improbable about Ray's shot. He's taken that 3pter a million times. What is impressive is his court awareness to step right behind the line without even looking where he was.

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:cheers:

[JebronLames]

Series was tied 2-2 for Fisher

Heat would have been eliminated if Ray's shit missed

If ray missed, wade would have got the rebound, kicked it out to lebron, with lebron hitting a three at the buzzer, with Manu ginobli running into him. Lebron hits the free throw.

So ray didn't save lebron, he cost him the GOAT play.

[Black and White]

If ray missed, wade would have got the rebound, kicked it out to lebron, with lebron hitting a three at the buzzer, with Manu ginobli running into him. Lebron hits the free throw.

So ray didn't save lebron, he cost him the GOAT play.

:sleeping

[Deuce Bigalow]

If ray missed, wade would have got the rebound, kicked it out to lebron, with lebron hitting a three at the buzzer, with Manu ginobli running into him. Lebron hits the free throw.

So ray didn't save lebron, he cost him the GOAT play.
Only reason why Ray had a chance at a 3 was because someone missed a 3 earlier...

[talkingconch]

as a laker fan its gotta be ray allen. He saved Lebrons career.

Fisher's is close (but the difficulty of the shot is greater than Ray's)

[SCdac]

One was a game-winning fall away jumper taken by Fisher in a fraction of a second on a set play (in which the defending champ Spurs could set up their D), following a jaw dropping shot from Tim Duncan over Shaq... while the other was by a three point specialist that sent the game to OT, after some botched plays and FT's by the past-their-time Spurs (which have had a problem closing out games and getting stops for a few seasons). The Allen shot was excellent and fresh on our minds, but by degree of difficulty and improbability, Fisher's was more impressive and will probably be remembered more. Many casual/barely watch fans here in SA know of Fisher by name, he still gets the boos after nearly 10 years.

[Killbot]

Ray Allen. NBA finals pressure + moving back behind the 3-pt line without looking down and taking a 3 pointer in a matter of a second = more impressive.

[NumberSix]

Ray Allen = literally the greatest shot in NBA history.

[SCdac]

Ray Allen. NBA finals pressure + moving back behind the 3-pt line without looking down and taking a 3 pointer in a matter of a second = more impressive.

If you examine the footage, he actually did look down to his left to see where he was standing in relation to the line, while he was already moving out to the perimeter before he caught the ball (enticing Bosh to swing the ball to him).

Still, impressive awareness and shot, no less. I'm not debating that.

you can clearly see Allen looking down to see where he's standing at at the 39 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFQy-qmyotc

[Boston C's]

One was a game-winning fall away jumper taken by Fisher in a fraction of a second on a set play (in which the defending champ Spurs could set up their D), following a jaw dropping shot from Tim Duncan over Shaq... while the other was by a three point specialist that sent the game to OT, after some botched plays and FT's by the past-their-time Spurs (which have had a problem closing out games and getting stops for a few seasons). The Allen shot was excellent and fresh on our minds, but by degree of difficulty and improbability, Fisher's was more impressive and will probably be remembered more. Many casual/barely watch fans here in SA know of Fisher by name, he still gets the boos after nearly 10 years.

I agree with everything you said except that fishers shot will be remembered more...Allens shot is arguably the biggest shot in nba history fishers shot was great and all but it was in the second round on a series that was tied 2-2...if he misses they have another game but if allen misses on the biggest stage of all there is no other game thats the series right there...so that shot literally saved a championship and altered so many legacies...fishers shot may be remembered more in san antonio but everyone everywhere else will remember the allen shot much more then the fisher shot

[Killbot]

If you examine the footage, he actually did look down to his left to see where he was standing in relation to the line, while he was already moving out to the perimeter before he caught the ball (enticing Bosh to swing the ball to him).

Still, impressive awareness and shot, no less. I'm not debating that.

you can clearly see Allen looking down to see where he's standing at at the 39 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFQy-qmyotc

Looks to me he looks to the side rather than look down and uses that as an indication of how far he needs to go. Still, I never noticed that he took a glance, so I was wrong on that one.

[sbw19]

Both shots were out-of-this-world outstanding timing-wise. The greatest compliment I can give Fisher though is that I'm positive he'd have hit Ray Allen's shot if he had to shoot it.

[rmt]

The difference between Duncan having 5 rings and 4 FMVPs and Lebron winning 1/4 Finals (and labelled a choker) or having 2 rings/2 FMVPs and all this GOAT talk.

Missing the Fisher shot just has the Spurs holding home court.

[livinglegend]

0.4? :oldlol: He actually took like 3 seconds to make that shot.

[SCdac]

I agree with everything you said except that fishers shot will be remembered more...Allens shot is arguably the biggest shot in nba history fishers shot was great and all but it was in the second round on a series that was tied 2-2...if he misses they have another game but if allen misses on the biggest stage of all there is no other game thats the series right there...so that shot literally saved a championship and altered so many legacies...fishers shot may be remembered more in san antonio but everyone everywhere else will remember the allen shot much more then the fisher shot

It's all personal opinion. Honestly to me it's too early to say it's arguably the "biggest shot in NBA history" (TD and Lebron were already proven champions, they were just trying to add notches to the belt).. because we haven't even seen one playoff game since then, and I think we can collectively agree that attention spans are laughably short in this internet, youtube era. We're still talking about Fisher's shot on an open NBA forum so that's saying something. Allen's shot took the game to OT (kept them in it, but didn't win the game outright), while Lebron James also had a great 4th quarter and LJ went to work in the next 53 minutes of basketball. The controversy surrounding the shot and degree of difficulty (less than 1 second to shoot) has helped Fisher's remain in our memory banks. Something about Allen's shot was huge but seemed normal within the context of close playoff games (normal to me at least, seen hundreds of nailbiters), and given the Spurs were vulnerable and not a defensive stalwart anymore. I can respect people taking either one though, both clutch as a mofo

[red1]

Ray Allen = literally the greatest shot in NBA history.
Agreed. Arguably the greatest play in nba history

[kobebeangoat]

Ray Allen = literally the greatest shot in NBA history.
:roll:

[K.Koscik]

Agreed. Arguably the greatest play in nba history

This was the clutchest single shot in nba history IMO. a miss directly costs them the championship but the make directly leads to a game 7, all this while being in the finals.

But I'll take MJ's game 6 against the jazz in 98 in the last 24 seconds of the game. Everyone remembers "the shot" but many people forget that play began with Jordan stripping Karl Malone when he had the chance to make it a 3 point game (and likely a Jazz win). Suddenly there he is flying down the court and hitting the game winner.

Considering that was his send off for the chicago bulls and that game winner won them the finals, that has to be worthy of GOAT play talk

[ripthekik]

Fisher won a playoff game with that shot, while ray saved his team and lebron's career. Lebron would have been known to be the biggest loser who can't even win with a stacked team if ray had missed.

Are these two shots really comparable? Op please:facepalm

[NumberSix]

This was the clutchest single shot in nba history IMO. a miss directly costs them the championship but the make directly leads to a game 7, all this while being in the finals.

But I'll take MJ's game 6 against the jazz in 98 in the last 24 seconds of the game. Everyone remembers "the shot" but many people forget that play began with Jordan stripping Karl Malone when he had the chance to make it a 3 point game (and likely a Jazz win). Suddenly there he is flying down the court and hitting the game winner.

Considering that was his send off for the chicago bulls and that game winner won them the finals, that has to be worthy of GOAT play talk
Ray's was literall a do or die shot though. Even if Malone scored, CHI had a chance to tie. Even if they lose, there's another game. If Ray missed..... season over.

[Heavincent]

Ray Allen cemented his legacy as one of the 3 most clutch players ever.

[AintNoSunshine]

Well one of the shots saved a team from losing a championship. That one shot changed history

Im gonna have to go with Ray Allen's shot. So much pressure. Whole world watching. That single shot pretty much changed everything

Fisher's shot was impressive and that won Lakers the game in the playoffs. Even if that shot didn't go in, the series between the Lakers and Spurs would've still been on.


Fisher's miracle shot prevented his team from going down 0-3 in the real Finals. Ray's shot although extremely clutch and impressive, only tied the game up with seconds left and an overtime to play.

Fisher's shot was greater IMO.

[Leftimage]

The two are diametrically opposed... Fisher's shot was 100% flukey & Ray's shot was 100% pro skill.

[Boston C's]

Fisher's miracle shot prevented his team from going down 0-3 in the real Finals. Ray's shot although extremely clutch and impressive, only tied the game up with seconds left and an overtime to play.

Fisher's shot was greater IMO.

Look at the alternative of rays shot though if he misses the spurs are world champs and fishers shot if missed would not have meant the lakers being down 0-3 the series was tied at 2 if he missed the lakers would have been down 3-2 and going back to L.A

[zoom17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpwHFKnME60:lol

[I<3NBA]

Ray Allen ran 3 steps backward, without looking down while he was backing down, and then hit the shot. he knew where the 3 point line was, how much to step back without being out of bounds, all the while having his shot still contested.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Only reason why Ray had a chance at a 3 was because someone missed a 3 earlier...
Only reason Ray had a chance to tie the game is because someone made a 3 earlier :coleman:

[talkingconch]

Ray Allen ran 3 steps backward, without looking down while he was backing down, and then hit the shot. he knew where the 3 point line was, how much to step back without being out of bounds, all the while having his shot still contested.

um i think we're confusing things here ITT.

Fisher's shot = greater difficulty

Ray allens = Difficult but not as difficult as Fishers.

Ray allens = more impressive because of the impact on Lebron's Career and how he literally saved it. You think if he had missed, after the finals people would be saying 'oh shit ray allen lost in the finals!'' No. It woulda been about Lebron.

[ripthekik]

Only reason Ray had a chance to tie the game is because someone made a 3 earlier :coleman:
and also missed 2 shots and had 2 turnovers in a one minute span :roll: :roll: :roll:

[gin17]

Fisher's miracle shot prevented his team from going down 0-3 in the real Finals. Ray's shot although extremely clutch and impressive, only tied the game up with seconds left and an overtime to play.

Fisher's shot was greater IMO.
which situation would you rather avoid, down 0-3 or lose the series? i don't get you :confusedshrug:

[ripthekik]

Fisher's miracle shot prevented his team from going down 0-3 in the real Finals.
where do lebron stans come up with these crap? It was game 5, and the series was tied 2-2. If he had missed, Spurs would have had the lead 3-2. Plenty of ball to be played.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[nzahir]

Fisher won a playoff game with that shot, while ray saved his team and lebron's career. Lebron would have been known to be the biggest loser who can't even win with a stacked team if ray had missed.

Are these two shots really comparable? Op please:facepalm

That stacked team was the biggest letdown in the whole entire playoffs and lebron was almost a 1 man team. That was rays first point of the game. Your memory must be really short minded if you dont remember lebron single handedly putting the team on his back in the 4th and carrying them back into the game. Wade had 2 good games those whole finals and was a joke against indiana.

[nzahir]

and also missed 2 shots and had 2 turnovers in a one minute span :roll: :roll: :roll:
And had the greatest 1 man comeback in a finals game in the 4th q..why dont you talk about all the shots he made in the 4th, and how he hit the 1st three? Why dont you talk about nobody showing up that whole game and how that was rays 1st shot after he missed multiple wide open ones? O wait is it cuz your an idiot? Murdered :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

And had the greatest 1 man comeback in a finals game in the 4th q..why dont you talk about all the shots he made in the 4th, and how he hit the 1st three? Why dont you talk about nobody showing up that whole game and how that was rays 1st shot after he missed multiple wide open ones? O wait is it cuz your an idiot? Murdered :oldlol:
gorandragon back with his 5th alt :facepalm

He started scoring early in the 4th when the other team was up by 15. Did you also forget that he was MIA from quarters 1-3? He was vintage 2011 lebron. Even lebron stans in the game thread gave up on him. Then he scored a few points where the score wasn't anywhere close, cool. As soon as the game got close, he started missing shots and choking with turnovers like old times. Missing the last three til Ray saved him.

:confusedshrug:

[iTare]

gorandragon back with his 5th alt :facepalm

He started scoring early in the 4th when the other team was up by 15. Did you also forget that he was MIA from quarters 1-3? He was vintage 2011 lebron. Even lebron stans in the game thread gave up on him. Then he scored a few points where the score wasn't anywhere close, cool. As soon as the game got close, he started missing shots and choking with turnovers like old times. Missing the last three til Ray saved him.

:confusedshrug:
You can't actually believe that....right?

[ripthekik]

You can't actually believe that....right?
When people talk about game 6 these days, do you think anyone talks about lebron's "run" ? Hell, they even forgot his choking at the end of the game. That's fine. Do remember that the only thing people will talk about in this game is Ray Allen's shot. That was a franchise-defining, career-saving shot that altered the history of the NBA, propelling someone who was top 15+ to close to top 10.

That shot is being disrespected by being compared to a 0.4 shot, though impressive, game 5 buzzer beater with the series tied at 2-2.

One is an impressive buzzer beater. Another is a career, franchise, NBA altering shot.

[avonbarksdale]

ray allen's is the best shot in the history of the nba

[iTare]

When people talk about game 6 these days, do you think anyone talks about lebron's "run" ? Hell, they even forgot his choking at the end of the game. That's fine. Do remember that the only thing people will talk about in this game is Ray Allen's shot. That was a franchise-defining, career-saving shot that altered the history of the NBA, propelling someone who was top 15+ to close to top 10.

That shot is being disrespected by being compared to a 0.4 shot, though impressive, game 5 buzzer beater with the series tied at 2-2.

One is an impressive buzzer beater. Another is a career, franchise, NBA altering shot.
Ray Allen's shot WILL always be the highlight of that game, always.

But come on, RIP. It doesn't mean LeBron didn't have a crazy run. He had what? 16 points? They were down by double digits in an elimination game ....in the FINALS. He also had a triple double; was it a flawless triple double? No ,he turned the ball over in crucial moment and it was definitely looking bad. But he still asked for the ball and made a three even though he had just missed his first attempt. He didn't back down from the moment. He looked shook but he still did what he had to do. Just go look at the play by play of that fourth quarter. Dude stepped up and got them to where they needed to be. The shot Ray Allen made definitely saved the day, along with the way people will remember LeBron's career. Just please don't try to downplay what LeBron did that quarter just because a three point god did what he does best.

You as a Lakers fan should know that role players can be very important in late game situations. :cheers:

[DaSeba5]

Ray Allen's shot. If he doesn't make that shot, the Heat lose in the Finals. It's just that simple.

[Spaulding]

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:applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

gorandragon back with his 5th alt :facepalm

He started scoring early in the 4th when the other team was up by 15. Did you also forget that he was MIA from quarters 1-3? He was vintage 2011 lebron. Even lebron stans in the game thread gave up on him. Then he scored a few points where the score wasn't anywhere close, cool. As soon as the game got close, he started missing shots and choking with turnovers like old times. Missing the last three til Ray saved him.

:confusedshrug:
Damn who would've known ripthekik didn't even watching the biggest game of the year :biggums:

[ripthekik]

Ray Allen's shot WILL always be the highlight of that game, always.

But come on, RIP. It doesn't mean LeBron didn't have a crazy run. He had what? 16 points? They were down by double digits in an elimination game ....in the FINALS. He also had a triple double; was it a flawless triple double? No ,he turned the ball over in crucial moment and it was definitely looking bad. But he still asked for the ball and made a three even though he had just missed his first attempt. He didn't back down from the moment. He looked shook but he still did what he had to do. Just go look at the play by play of that fourth quarter. Dude stepped up and got them to where they needed to be. The shot Ray Allen made definitely saved the day, along with the way people will remember LeBron's career. Just please don't try to downplay what LeBron did that quarter just because a three point god did what he does best.

You as a Lakers fan should know that role players can be very important in late game situations. :cheers:
Look at the play-by-play for the last 3 minutes of the game. Tell me what you think again.

[fpliii]

Look at the play-by-play for the last 3 minutes of the game. Tell me what you think again.
Welcome back homie. Why were you banned?

[Dbrog]

ray allen's is the best shot in the history of the nba

mmmm...idk. Is it really better than Horry's shot to beat the Kings (Lakers don't 3-peat if he misses)? or Elliot's Memorial Day Miracle vs the Blazers? Horry's game winner in OT G7 in 2005 to prevent the Pistons from repeating? or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdgxyC1ehA)? Not even including any of the MJ Bulls Role Player shots.

[finchyyy]

Ray Allen's is much more impressive. Fisher's was a flukey shot, the only thing flukey about Ray's was the offensive board. Ray had MUCH more pressure on him too, if he misses, it's game over and congrats Spurs. If Fisher misses it's just oh well, he missed a shot that no one really expected to go in. Also, the fact Allen's shot was in the Finals and Fisher's was in the WCSF's has to count for Allen. But yeah, both crazy shots, but Ray's is just a better shot that meant a lot more.

[oarabbus]

gorandragon back with his 5th alt :facepalm

He started scoring early in the 4th when the other team was up by 15. Did you also forget that he was MIA from quarters 1-3? He was vintage 2011 lebron. Even lebron stans in the game thread gave up on him. Then he scored a few points where the score wasn't anywhere close, cool. As soon as the game got close, he started missing shots and choking with turnovers like old times. Missing the last three til Ray saved him.

:confusedshrug:

Uhh... :biggums:

That's not what I remember... I remember LeBron being relatively clutch in the plays leading up to the Allen 3, catching the Heat up. Yes, he did miss a 3 immediately before (which led to Allen's 3 though) but before that, he made a 3. And I think he scored a basket or maybe an and 1, prior to that 3 he did make.

And I'm a Warriors fan. I have absolutely no pro-Lebron bias, but this post is just factually incorrect.

[ripthekik]

Uhh... :biggums:

That's not what I remember... I remember LeBron being relatively clutch in the plays leading up to the Allen 3, catching the Heat up. Yes, he did miss a 3 immediately before (which led to Allen's 3 though) but before that, he made a 3. And I think he scored a basket or maybe an and 1, prior to that 3 he did make.

And I'm a Warriors fan. I have absolutely no pro-Lebron bias, but this post is just factually incorrect.
oh yea?
A simple search brought me this:

6:13- tie game (82-82)
5:28 - lebron makes 1 of 2 free throws (82-85)
4:45- lebron makes driving layup (84-87)
4:01- lebron misses 17 foot shot (84-87)
3:17- lebron offensive charge, turnover (84-87)
1:27- parker makes 26 foot jumper over lebron to tie the game (89-89)
:39- lebron turnover (91-89)
:28- lebron bad pass, turnover (93-89)
:23- lebron misses 26 foot 3 (94-89)
:20- mike miller offensive board, lebron makes 3 pointer (94-92)
:07- lebron misses 26 foot 3 pointer (95-92)
:05- ray allen hits 3 to tie the game.

How clutch is lebron :oldlol:

[ihoopallday]

oh yea?
A simple search brought me this:

6:13- tie game (82-82)
5:28 - lebron makes 1 of 2 free throws (82-85)
4:45- lebron makes driving layup (84-87)
4:01- lebron misses 17 foot shot (84-87)
3:17- lebron offensive charge, turnover (84-87)
1:27- parker makes 26 foot jumper over lebron to tie the game (89-89)
:39- lebron turnover (91-89)
:28- lebron bad pass, turnover (93-89)
:23- lebron misses 26 foot 3 (94-89)
:20- mike miller offensive board, lebron makes 3 pointer (94-92)
:07- lebron misses 26 foot 3 pointer (95-92)
:05- ray allen hits 3 to tie the game.

How clutch is lebron :oldlol:
:04- Ripthekik goes into a mental breakdown

Game 7:
:00 (88-95)- Heat win championship. Ripthekik on suicide watch :(

[Smoke117]

The fact of the matter is that Derek Fisher was lucky and Ray Allen did what he does. If you are going to bet on who would make their shot it would be an overwhelming Ray 99:1.

[Harison]

Fisher's shot was absurdly clutch Hail-Marry type, Ray just sank a 3PT he usually does. Fisher wins this round as far as shots difficulty concerned, hands down.

However Ray saved his team from loosing the Finals and to some extent Lebron's legacy. Ray wins one, and historically its way more important than Fisher's.

[K.Koscik]

Ray's was literall a do or die shot though. Even if Malone scored, CHI had a chance to tie. Even if they lose, there's another game. If Ray missed..... season over.

thus making Ray Allen's shot more clutch. But MJ stealing the ball from Malone directly resulting in his go ahead shot to give his team the championship is a more impressive basketball play than chris bosh getting an offensive rebound and hitting ray allen for a 3.

the stakes being higher for the heat doesn't make it the most impressive play ever. try and tell me that a team has never won a game in the playoffs because of an offensive rebound not being secured resulting in a three pointer to win (Allen's didn't even win the game just saved it).

plus, if you wanna argue "luck" the heat only even had the opportunity to tie because tim duncan choked tough on a bunny that he rarely ever misses. Jordan produced his own luck by making a huge defensive play essentially stealing the last possession from the Jazz and then finished business right there, no questions asked.

definitely one of if not the most impactful shots ever, but lets not blow out of proportion what ray allen actually did - what he usually does. spot up and hit threes.

[finchyyy]

thus making Ray Allen's shot more clutch. But MJ stealing the ball from Malone directly resulting in his go ahead shot to give his team the championship is a more impressive basketball play than chris bosh getting an offensive rebound and hitting ray allen for a 3.

the stakes being higher for the heat doesn't make it the most impressive play ever. try and tell me that a team has never won a game in the playoffs because of an offensive rebound not being secured resulting in a three pointer to win (Allen's didn't even win the game just saved it).

plus, if you wanna argue "luck" the heat only even had the opportunity to tie because tim duncan choked tough on a bunny that he rarely ever misses. Jordan produced his own luck by making a huge defensive play essentially stealing the last possession from the Jazz and then finished business right there, no questions asked.

definitely one of if not the most impactful shots ever, but lets not blow out of proportion what ray allen actually did - what he usually does. spot up and hit threes.

The bunny that Duncan missed was in Game 7, not Game 6 where Ray hit that shot. The only reason they had the chance to tie Game 6 was because of missed free throws by Kawhi and Manu, and 2 offensive rebounds by Bosh.

[aj1987]

oh yea?
A simple search brought me this:
11:44.0- M. Chalmers makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft (assist by L. James) (75-68)
11:06.0- L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft (75-70)
10:26.0- M. Miller makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft (assist by L. James) (77-73)
9:39.0- L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim (79-75)
9:00.0- Offensive rebound by L. James
8:59.0- L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim (80-77)
8:23.0- L. James misses 2-pt shot from 1 ft (82-77)
7:56.0- L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft (82-79)
6:44.0- T. Duncan misses 2-pt shot from 5 ft (block by L. James) (82-80)
6:34.0- L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft (82-82)
6:13- tie game (82-82)
5:28 - lebron makes 1 of 2 free throws (82-85)
4:45- lebron makes driving layup (84-87)
4:01- lebron misses 17 foot shot (84-87)
3:32.0- Defensive rebound by L. James (84-87)
3:17- lebron offensive charge, turnover (84-87)
1:27- parker makes 26 foot jumper over lebron to tie the game (89-89)
:39- lebron turnover (91-89)
:28- lebron bad pass, turnover (93-89)
:23- lebron misses 26 foot 3 (94-89)
:20- mike miller offensive board, lebron makes 3 pointer (94-92)
:07- lebron misses 26 foot 3 pointer (95-92)
:05- ray allen hits 3 to tie the game.

How clutch is lebron :oldlol:

Pretty clutch. 7-10 for 16 points, a couple of assists, rebounds, and blocks as well.

[fandarko]

This.

Ray Allen just hit a 3 in the corner. Nothing else.

These are two different shots.

Fisher's shot was a buzzer beater to win a game already lost. A shot that has completely eclipsed Duncans' own incredible buzzer beater a few seconds earlier. Historical shot without a doubt. IN that sense, Fisher's shot was a no pressure shot, nobody would blame him hadn't he hit it.

Allen's was a high pressure, rallying shot. He did have more time, but if you watch it closely, you just can feel Allen's made it akin to a robot; he hit such a shot (picture perfect) thousands of times in practice and I don't genuinly thing he really felt awful pressure. He was hired that year to hit that shot. That is precisely why they took him, they knew he was going to give them that when needed.

Fisher's shot was more spectacular and improbable. Allen's wasn't that spectacular but is equally memorable. The contexts are different though.

[Andrei89]

Pretty clutch. 7-10 for 16 points, a couple of assists, rebounds, and blocks as well.

Ethered

:lol :lol

[mistergreens]

Ray's shot saved a man's legacy, dignity and possibly his fans sanity.

Why do people think Lebron's legacy would be ruined if it didn't go in? Lebron already won a title (so no Dan Marino or Charles Barkley) talk, and still had about 10 years left in the league. Sure it would have been devastating to that season, but my god, people act like Lebron's first title never happened.

[JohnFreeman]

More impressive? LeBrons game 7 or Ripthekiks meltdown?

[ripthekik]

Pretty clutch. 7-10 for 16 points, a couple of assists, rebounds, and blocks as well.
So clutch.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/i3uv6h.jpg
:lol

[FaceBack]

here's logic, Ray's is more impressive because he "saved someone else's legacy," not because he saved his team's season. You guys are only picking Ray Allen because it kept LeBron on his throne. 1)His shot didn't win the game and 2) he had no time to think about any bogus pressure.

[riseagainst]

Derek Fisher's was more of an impossible shot. .4 seconds, srsly.

Allen's shot gave me a heart attack.