How does Lebron losing this year affect his legacy?

[Connor B]

Does it take him out of the GOAT race, or could he still be in contention if he got to 6 or more even if it weren't in a 3-peat? Some people would say even if he does get to 6 it doesn't matter as much because he's lost in the finals and never 3-peated like Jordan did.

What does Lebron losing for you do to his legacy, or does it do nothing assuming he could recover and win another 3-4 before he retires?

[NumberSix]

It doesn't......


But it doesn't matter because Heat are 3-peating.

[TheReal Kendall]

It wouldn't affect his legacy at all.

Why people think it would?

[livinglegend]

it wont since they are not the favorites to win it all this year.

[red1]

if he loses this year then we can safely strip the 2012 and 2013 championship when comparing to other players

[kamil]

What legacy?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Win or lose, he's still better than "Kirby" all time.

[Milbuck]

It doesn't. OKC and Indiana are just better teams. Yeah he's been pretty underwhelming this season, but what else can you expect after 3 straight finals? He's getting worn down.

[Quizno]

the heat are still gonna win this year. their only competition is the pacers who they can definitely beat and then they just have to win one series against the western champs, whoever that may be. it's just 2 rounds of competitive basketball, the heat have as good a chance to win as anybody

[Black and White]

It won't affect his legacy at all. But if he stinks it up in the finals like 2011 then its a different story

[AnaheimLakers24]

he over achieved already so nothing will happen. he already proved to the haters he can barely win with two other superstars. hes not trying to prove he can win it 1 or less stars and he doesnt have to because not everyone can

also hes declining so you cant fault him for not being able to hold on to the best player in thw world title. his stacked team cant compare to the younger teams with hunger and heart.

[coin24]

He'll still be the biggest choker and front running loser of all time:oldlol:

[coin24]

2007: swept in finals, no show
2009: raped by magic
2010: disgracefully quit on team vs celtics
2011: biggest finals choke of all time
2012: refs
2013: no show in the finals, Ray Allen miracle

So if the heat don't win it all this year it'll be business as usual for bran, his stans (espn) will find a small meaningless stat to tell us he's still better than Jordan :oldlol:

[KirbyPls]

If the Heat unfortunately can't three-peat, Lebron will have to settle for merely being better than Kobe's ever been.

[Cold soul]

It won't affect his legacy unless he plays like he did in 2011 Finals.

[Solefade]

2007: swept in finals, no show
2009: raped by magic
2010: disgracefully quit on team vs celtics
2011: biggest finals choke of all time
2012: refs
2013: no show in the finals, Ray Allen miracle

So if the heat don't win it all this year it'll be business as usual for bran, his stans (espn) will find a small meaningless stat to tell us he's still better than Jordan :oldlol:

2000-2002: shaq/robert horry carried him (refs in 2002)
2006: choked
2009-2010: derek fisher/pau/refs


guess kobe got 0 rings too

:confusedshrug:

[JebronLames]

2000-2002: shaq/robert horry carried him (refs in 2002)
2006: choked
2009-2010: derek fisher/pau/refs


guess kobe got 0 rings too

:confusedshrug:
Forgot some

2008: outplayed by Paul pierce
2011: swept
2012: 3 hof teammates. 8th seed.
2013 : ???

[Solefade]

Forgot some

2008: outplayed by Paul pierce
2011: swept
2012: 3 hof teammates. 8th seed.
2013 : ???

good lookin out :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

It doesn't, unless he gets outplayed significantly by Paul George, or Kevin Durant in the NBA Finals. I think if KD lead OKC over Miami, while being the singular dominant player in the series it would be huge. A 3x loss in the Finals would not look good on Bron's resume.

If KD out performed him he'd already have half the number of rings as LeBron, half the Finals MVPs with time in front of him to win more regular season MVPs @ only 25 years old.

The possibility for Durant to eclipse LeBron's resume would be on the table. That's the only thing I could see affecting things. Bron however could shoot up more with another ring, particularly if it takes a legendary performance to get past Indiana.

[gts]

Re: How does Lebron losing this year affect his legacy?

On ISH or in the real world?

[NumberSix]

It doesn't, unless he gets outplayed significantly by Paul George, or Kevin Durant in the NBA Finals. I think if KD lead OKC over Miami, while being the singular dominant player in the series it would be huge. A 3x loss in the Finals would not look good on Bron's resume.

If KD out performed him he'd already have half the number of rings as LeBron, half the Finals MVPs with time in front of him to win more regular season MVPs @ only 25 years old.

The possibility for Durant to eclipse LeBron's resume would be on the table. That's the only thing I could see affecting things. Bron however could shoot up more with another ring, particularly if it takes a legendary performance to get past Indiana.
Why? It's the best you can possibly do in the years you don't win the title.

What's a better resume?
3 time champion, 8 time finals loser

Or

3 time champ, 8 time 1st round loser

[grantz]

His legacy right now is going on the momentum of two consecutive championships. If he wins a third and a finals MVP, I would consider him top 10 easily.

If he falls short and loses this year there are going to be some very tough questions on whether he can get back to championship form. With only maybe 2-3 more years in his peak prime, who knows if he can get a championship during that time.

[coin24]

2000-2002: shaq/robert horry carried him (refs in 2002)
2006: choked
2009-2010: derek fisher/pau/refs


guess kobe got 0 rings too

:confusedshrug:

What? Lebron has 2 rings genius, and this thread is about Lebrons legacy not kobes.
Those are just the facts. Lebron underperforms on the big stage..

[zoom17]

What? Lebron has 2 rings genius, and this thread is about Lebrons legacy not kobes.
Those are just the facts. Lebron underperforms on the big stage..

You got owned:oldlol:

[KirbyPls]

What? Lebron has 2 rings genius, and this thread is about Lebrons legacy not kobes.
Those are just the facts. Lebron underperforms on the big stage..

Right? If only Lebron could have shot 6-24 in the biggest game of his life before being bailed out with 15 free throws in the fourth quarter and shooting 41% in the same series, then he could be a big stage performer.

[coin24]

You got owned:oldlol:

:facepalm

[coin24]

Right? If only Lebron could have shot 6-24 in the biggest game of his life before being bailed out with 15 free throws in the fourth quarter and shooting 41% in the same series, then he could be a big stage performer.

Bran was busy hiding in games 1-5 and bricking late game 3s in game 6..
Even his stans were jumping ship he was playing that pathetically..:roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Forgot some

2008: outplayed by Paul pierce
2011: swept
2012: 3 hof teammates. 8th seed.
2013 : ???


you're talking about Lebron right? :roll:

[zoom17]

I think you meant to say Lebron :roll:

Kobe kept leaving Ray Allen open in that series.

[Illuminati]

2007: swept in finals, no show
2009: raped by magic
2010: disgracefully quit on team vs celtics
2011: biggest finals choke of all time
2012: refs
2013: no show in the finals, Ray Allen miracle

So if the heat don't win it all this year it'll be business as usual for bran, his stans (espn) will find a small meaningless stat to tell us he's still better than Jordan :oldlol:

2000 15ppg average, team STILL wins the championship, carried.
2003 lose because of chucking, Shaq averaging 27 on 55% and 15rpg, Kobe 32 on 43% :facepalm
2004 again, lose to the pistons because of chucking, Shaq averaged 27ppg on 63% and 11rpg, Kobe 22ppg on 38% (113 points on 113 shots:roll:)
2005 missed the playoffs in his prime
2006 choked a series away after being up 3-1
2008 get blown out on the elimination game, the biggest blow out in nba finals history
2009 bailed out by Fisher
2010 bailed out by Artest, 6-24 in Game 7
2011 swept by Mavs
2012 choked vs okc
2013 most stacked team in recent memory, almost missed the playoffs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2005 missed the playoffs in his prime
2009 bailed out by Fisher
2010 bailed out by Artest, 6-24 in Game 7
2012 choked vs okc
2013 most stacked team in recent memory, almost missed the playoffs.
:rolleyes:

[Illuminati]

:rolleyes:

??

[Solefade]

What? Lebron has 2 rings genius, and this thread is about Lebrons legacy not kobes.
Those are just the facts. Lebron underperforms on the big stage..


don't bring that weak ass shit in here son :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

It wouldn't affect his legacy at all.

Why people think it would?

It absolutely would. Only 2 titles in 4 years with a loaded roster like this with pretty weak competition until this year...

Combining that with the 11 finals and it effectively keeps him out of any top 5 discussions

If he wins this year...it shoots him up the all time rankings...it's huge. definitely has more to gain than he does lose...

[Solefade]

It absolutely would. Only 2 titles in 4 years with a loaded roster like this with pretty weak competition until this year...

Combining that with the 11 finals and it effectively keeps him out of any top 5 discussions

If he wins this year...it shoots him up the all time rankings...it's huge. definitely has more to gain than he does lose...


you still think this is a really loaded roster? they're not even the favorites this year...

they def got some good pieces and bosh has been playing well, but d.wade has been a huge ? every championship year (12 & 13) because of his knees. a team that requires lebron to score 35ppg and lead them in assists/rebounding in order for them to win isn't that stacked my man

[nzahir]

2000 15ppg average, team STILL wins the championship, carried.
2003 lose because of chucking, Shaq averaging 27 on 55% and 15rpg, Kobe 32 on 43% :facepalm
2004 again, lose to the pistons because of chucking, Shaq averaged 27ppg on 63% and 11rpg, Kobe 22ppg on 38% (113 points on 113 shots:roll:)
2005 missed the playoffs in his prime
2006 choked a series away after being up 3-1
2008 get blown out on the elimination game, the biggest blow out in nba finals history
2009 bailed out by Fisher
2010 bailed out by Artest, 6-24 in Game 7
2011 swept by Mavs
2012 choked vs okc
2013 most stacked team in recent memory, almost missed the playoffs.

Lol we all know kobe isnt even a top 10, barely even top 15 player of all time.
:lol
Guy took a shot at lebron and got killed.:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

2000 15ppg average, team STILL wins the championship, carried.
2003 lose because of chucking, Shaq averaging 27 on 55% and 15rpg, Kobe 32 on 43% :facepalm
2004 again, lose to the pistons because of chucking, Shaq averaged 27ppg on 63% and 11rpg, Kobe 22ppg on 38% (113 points on 113 shots:roll:)
2005 missed the playoffs in his prime
2006 choked a series away after being up 3-1
2008 get blown out on the elimination game, the biggest blow out in nba finals history
2009 bailed out by Fisher
2010 bailed out by Artest, 6-24 in Game 7
2011 swept by Mavs
2012 choked vs okc
2013 most stacked team in recent memory, almost missed the playoffs.

2001/2002? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Illuminati]

2001/2002? :roll: :roll: :roll:

2001 - Carried by Shaq in the Finals.
2002 - Bailed out by refs in the WCF.

[Magic 32]

2001 - Carried by Shaq in the Finals.
2002 - Bailed out by refs in the WCF.

After game 1:

27ppg, 9rpg, 6apg 44%FG

This rivals your hero's epic battle with Boris Diaw. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

??
2005 - Injured / Coaching Change

2006 - Terrible Supporting Cast

2008 - Pau Gasol on Milk Carton in Finals

2009 - The reason they won

2010 - The reason they won, but w/ more help from Gasol

2011 - Injured / Pau Gasol on Milk Carton

2012 - No bullets left in the holster, 42 pts in elimination game / Paul Gasol on Milk Carton

2013 - Nash was 98 years old, injured. Pau Gasol on Expired Milk Carton. Howard 75% of what he was previously. Most stacked? @ 34 years old he carried them all season, albeit selfishly.

[Magic 32]

2005 - Injured / Coaching Change

2006 - Terrible Supporting Cast

2008 - Pau Gasol on Milk Carton

2009 - The reason they won

2010 - The reason they won, but w/ more help from Gasol

2011 - Injured / Pau Gasol on Milk Carton

2012 - No bullets left in the holster, 42 pts in elimination game / Paul Gasol on Milk Carton

2013 - Nash was 98 years old, injured. Pau Gasol on Expired Milk Carton. Howard 75% of what he was previously. Most stacked? @ 34 years old he carried them all season.

http://www.michaeljordan.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/michael_jordan_kobe%20_bryant.jpg

[Illuminati]

After game 1:

27ppg, 9rpg, 6apg 44%FG

This rivals your hero's epic battle with Boris Diaw. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Excluding game 5:

34ppg, 17rpg, 6apg 58%FG

#carried.

[Magic 32]

Excluding game 5:

34ppg, 17rpg, 6apg 58%FG

#carried.

Kobe carried = Lebron carrying

[Illuminati]

2005 - Injured / Coaching Change

Still played more than half the season, no excuse.


2006 - Terrible Supporting Cast

LeBron also had a terrible supporting cast, but he never lost in the first round let alone miss the playoffs, in his prime.


2008 - Pau Gasol on Milk Carton in Finals

25ppg on barely 40% shooting & 4 turnovers per game, for a superstar, isn't that great either.


2009 - The reason they won

Pau Gasol shutting down prime Howard and out playing him played a bigger role.
Howard vs. Cavs: 26ppg on 65%, 13rpg
Howard vs. Lakers: 15ppg on 48%, 15rpg

Pau 19ppg on 60%, 9rpg.


2010 - The reason they won, but w/ more help from Gasol

Gasol lead the entire playoffs in win shares.


2011 - Injured / Pau Gasol on Milk Carton

They got swept by a hungry Dirk/Mavs team, but Kobe's 22ppg/3rpg/3apg didn't help either.


2012 - No bullets left in the holster, 42 pts in elimination game / Paul Gasol on Milk Carton

Kobe choked two games away they had no case losing.


2013 - Nash was 98 years old, injured. Pau Gasol on Expired Milk Carton. Howard 75% of what he was previously. Most stacked? @ 34 years old he carried them all season, albeit selfishly.

Give LeBron that team, they would be contending, not struggling to make the playoffs.

[Solefade]

2005 - Injured / Coaching Change

2006 - Terrible Supporting Cast

2008 - Pau Gasol on Milk Carton in Finals

2009 - The reason they won

2010 - The reason they won, but w/ more help from Gasol

2011 - Injured / Pau Gasol on Milk Carton

2012 - No bullets left in the holster, 42 pts in elimination game / Paul Gasol on Milk Carton

2013 - Nash was 98 years old, injured. Pau Gasol on Expired Milk Carton. Howard 75% of what he was previously. Most stacked? @ 34 years old he carried them all season, albeit selfishly.


lol if you're going to respond to illuminati then you should be addressing the kobetard that initiated this retardedness too

[Magic 32]

Still played more than half the season, no excuse.


During the second half of the season, Kobe was pointing at the floor during games, directing the triangle offense.



LeBron also had a terrible supporting cast, but he never lost in the first round let alone miss the playoffs, in his prime.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/wizthree420.jpg




25ppg on barely 40% shooting & 4 turnovers per game, for a superstar, isn't that great either.

Better than Lebron.




Pau Gasol shutting down prime Howard and out playing him played a bigger role.
Howard vs. Cavs: 26ppg on 65%, 13rpg
Howard vs. Lakers: 15ppg on 48%, 15rpg
Pau 19ppg on 60%, 9rpg.


:hammerhead:



Gasol lead the entire playoffs in win shares.


:hammerhead:

[sportjames23]

2007: swept in finals, no show
2009: raped by magic
2010: disgracefully quit on team vs celtics
2011: biggest finals choke of all time
2012: refs
2013: no show in the finals, Ray Allen miracle

So if the heat don't win it all this year it'll be business as usual for bran, his stans (espn) will find a small meaningless stat to tell us he's still better than Jordan :oldlol:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[coin24]

lol if you're going to respond to illuminati then you should be addressing the kobetard that initiated this retardedness too

Responding with your alt:lol