Will Durant get a pass from ISH, fans, and/or the media...

[KirbyPls]

if he doesn't win the chip and FMVP this year?

He's the clear MVP (objectively) and is playing amazing, and most here are saying he's overtaken Lebron at the world's best. In addition, his team has a great record and is statistically dominant on both sides of the court, while missing its second best player who will return for the playoffs. Most here have anointed him the game's best player. Will he, or should he, get a pass if he doesn't win it all?

[TheMarkMadsen]

he's 25 dude

Lebron didn't win a ring on 60+ win teams and left in free agency to make things easier and he still gets a pass

so yes

[DaSeba5]

Yes. People have a double standard here. Durant is not hated... yet. The only agenda against Durant are LeBron stans, and maybe upset Kobe stans. Only LeBron gets bashed for losing a series at a young age.

[Solefade]

he's 25 dude

Lebron didn't win a ring on 60+ win teams and left in free agency to make things easier and he still gets a pass

so yes


yet you're the same guy blasting lebron for getting swept in the finals at 23 lol

[KirbyPls]

he's 25 dude

Lebron didn't win a ring on 60+ win teams and left in free agency to make things easier and he still gets a pass

so yes

Mark,

I know you hate Lebron, but did he really get a pass in 2009 or 2010?

[Illuminati]

LeBron got hate for not winning at 24 years old. Durant is currently 25. So no, he shouldn't get a pass.

[JohnFreeman]

Not from me.

[Joyner82reload]

LeBron got hate for not winning at 24 years old. Durant is currently 25. So no, he shouldn't get a pass.

Wrong. LeBron got blasted because he single handedly lost his teams those series in 2007, 2008, and 2010. That's why he was blasted.

Also it all comes down to how he plays. If Durant plays at the same level he is now, it will be impossible to blame him for his team losing, if they did.

[Solefade]

Wrong. LeBron got blasted because he single handedly lost his teams those series in 2007, 2008, and 2010. That's why he was blasted.

Also it all comes down to how he plays. If Durant plays at the same level he is now, it will be impossible to blame him for his team losing, if they did.


how was lebron responsible for those losses for scoring 30+ppg in those series he lost? (with the exception of 2007) lol

[nzahir]

Wrong. LeBron got blasted because he single handedly lost his teams those series in 2007, 2008, and 2010. That's why he was blasted.

Also it all comes down to how he plays. If Durant plays at the same level he is now, it will be impossible to blame him for his team losing, if they did.

Lmfao are you ****ing retarded? Kill yourself please. Single handedly lost those series? He has arguably the goat playoff numbers and with terrible supporting cast after terrible supporting cast. Not 1 all star(mo will was added on b/c of multiple injuries, sucked, choked in the playoffs, and lbj made him decent). We all saw how bad the cavs were w/o lebron...from 50-60 wins to 1st pick for multiple years. Someone ban him please. Prob a kobe or durant stan too.

[JohnFreeman]

Wrong. LeBron got blasted because he single handedly lost his teams those series in 2007, 2008, and 2010. That's why he was blasted.

Also it all comes down to how he plays. If Durant plays at the same level he is now, it will be impossible to blame him for his team losing, if they did.
Those Cleveland teams were terrible. I know you only started watching basketball since 2012 so it's all good

[TheMarkMadsen]

Mark,

I know you hate Lebron, but did he really get a pass in 2009 or 2010?

:biggums:

[TheMarkMadsen]

yet you're the same guy blasting lebron for getting swept in the finals at 23 lol

:confusedshrug:

[KirbyPls]

:biggums:

So the 2010 "quit on Cleveland" narrative never happened? Also, he gets blamed for the Magic series after averaging 38-8-8. So yeah, try to keep up.

[Joyner82reload]

how was lebron responsible for those losses for scoring 30+ppg in those series he lost? (with the exception of 2007) lol

Not sure if srs...

2007 everyone already knows

2008 LeBron shot 36% from the field and AVERAGED over 6 turnovers per game that series. Cleveland actually won the series in total points, coming out +5 for the series, but lost in 7 to Boston. In 2 of those losses, LeBron combined to go 8-42(19 FG%) with 18 turnovers.

2010 Cleveland was up 2-1 on Boston with HCA and then this proceeded to happen.

Game 4 LeBron 22 points and 7 turnovers 7-18 shooting
Cleveland loses

Game 5 LeBron 15 points and 3 turnovers 3-14 shooting
Cleveland loses

Game 6 LeBron 27 points and 9 turnovers 8-21 shooting
Cleveland loses

21.3 ppg 6.3 TOV 34 FG% in 3 straight losses

[Joyner82reload]

Lmfao are you ****ing retarded? Kill yourself please. Single handedly lost those series? He has arguably the goat playoff numbers and with terrible supporting cast after terrible supporting cast. Not 1 all star(mo will was added on b/c of multiple injuries, sucked, choked in the playoffs, and lbj made him decent). We all saw how bad the cavs were w/o lebron...from 50-60 wins to 1st pick for multiple years. Someone ban him please. Prob a kobe or durant stan too.

I excluded 2009, when he played tremendously. LeBron played like GARBAGE in the 2007, 2008, and 2010 series when they lost.

[andgar923]

Let's stop with this non-sense regarding 'legacy' and 'hate'.

If Durant doesn't win the title it will ONLY hurt his legacy IF he performs sucky. If he kills it yet they lose it won't be on him, there's only so much he could've done.

But if he plays sucky then of course it's his fault and he should get the blame. Will it hurt his legacy? perhaps not, he's still young he still has a chance and what he's done so far this season is basically historic. He'd have to be very sucky.

[Solefade]

Not sure if srs...

2007 everyone already knows

2008 LeBron shot 36% from the field and AVERAGED over 6 turnovers per game that series. Cleveland actually won the series in total points, coming out +5 for the series, but lost in 7 to Boston. In 2 of those losses, LeBron combined to go 8-42(19 FG%) with 18 turnovers.

2010 Cleveland was up 2-1 on Boston with HCA and then this proceeded to happen.

Game 4 LeBron 22 points and 7 turnovers 7-18 shooting
Cleveland loses

Game 5 LeBron 15 points and 3 turnovers 3-14 shooting
Cleveland loses

Game 6 LeBron 27 points and 9 turnovers 8-21 shooting
Cleveland loses

21.3 ppg 6.3 TOV 34 FG% in 3 straight losses

wtf is this cherry picking shit?

he averaged 27/9/7 on 45% for the entire series :facepalm

[Dr Hawk]

Absolutely

[JohnFreeman]

I excluded 2009, when he played tremendously. LeBron played like GARBAGE in the 2007, 2008, and 2010 series when they lost.
He played well in 2010. 29.1 pts|9.3 rebounds|7.6 ast|1.7 blks|1.7 stls on 50% fg and 40% from three

[Joyner82reload]

He played well in 2010. 29.1 pts|9.3 rebounds|7.6 ast|1.7 blks|1.7 stls on 50% fg and 40% from three

Your'e talking about his entire playoff run. I'm talking about the SERIES his team lost in

Also it's easy to see who was around here back in 2010. LeBron was CRUSHED, even by his own fans.

[Solefade]

Your'e talking about his entire playoff run. I'm talking about the SERIES his team lost in

Also it's easy to see who was around here back in 2010. LeBron was CRUSHED, even by his own fans.


sorry dude but your boyfriend doesn't get a pass if he loses again when he's favored to win. like lebron, he'll get grilled for losing even if he performs to his usual standard.

[JohnFreeman]

Your'e talking about his entire playoff run. I'm talking about the SERIES his team lost in

Also it's easy to see who was around here back in 2010. LeBron was CRUSHED, even by his own fans.
You know that Boston team was pretty good?

[outbreak]

durant gets a pass for this year because he didn't claim he's going to win a championship for cleveland, 7 for miami and didn't leave to join up with another 2 star players in a televised press conference without informing cleveland first. At no point has Durant said "this gonna be easy"

[Joyner82reload]

You know that Boston team was pretty good?

No it wasn't. That Boston team was supposed to be swept by Cleveland, hell most didn't think they had a chance at even staying within 20 of the Cavaliers. They overachieved

[TheMarkMadsen]

sorry dude but your boyfriend doesn't get a pass if he loses again when he's favored to win. like lebron, he'll get grilled for losing even if he performs to his usual standard.

If KD gets eliminated in a series and plays as bad as Lebron did in games 5

you would never let him live it down

[Solefade]

durant gets a pass for this year because he didn't claim he's going to win a championship for cleveland, 7 for miami and didn't leave to join up with another 2 star players in a televised press conference without informing cleveland first. At no point has Durant said "this gonna be easy"


i assumed you started watching bball in 2011 but lebron was getting grilled before he went to miami and did that whole decision shit

[Solefade]

No it wasn't. That Boston team was supposed to be swept by Cleveland, hell most didn't think they had a chance at even staying within 20 of the Cavaliers. They overachieved

that's the same team that took lakers to 7 games in the finals, the game that lakers got bailed out by the refs with like 20 FTs in the 4th qtr smh

[nzahir]

Your'e talking about his entire playoff run. I'm talking about the SERIES his team lost in

Also it's easy to see who was around here back in 2010. LeBron was CRUSHED, even by his own fans.
lmfao i guess your small brain cant comprehend STATS. Lebrons last game as a cavalier, even though he "quit".
27, 19, 10 , 3 steals, 1 block...has kd even had a game that good in the playoffs?

Now please do either of the two, kill yourself or leave the forum and stop watching basketball.

[Solefade]

If KD gets eliminated in a series and plays as bad as Lebron did in games 5

you would never let him live it down


i would only do it out of spite to the people who penalized lebron for losing in the previous years too :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

i would only do it out of spite to the people who penalized lebron for losing in the previous years too :oldlol:


pointing out how badly he played which directly led to his teams losing the series (08,10,11) is not "penalizing" him

[JohnFreeman]

that's the same team that took lakers to 7 games in the finals, the game that lakers got bailed out by the refs with like 20 FTs in the 4th qtr smh
Yeah they were such a bad team :rolleyes:

[Fudge]

LeBron stans at it again or what?

Shit maynes, give it a rest. KD=DA BESS.

[Solefade]

pointing out how badly he played which directly led to his teams losing the series (08,10,11) is not "penalizing" him

lol? if we're going to blame him for losing then maybe we should give him medals for being the ONLY reason the cavs were relevant/in the playoffs




inb4 bbbbut mo williams and shaq!

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron stans at it again or what?

Shit maynes, give it a rest. KD=DA BESS.
Fudge is back

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4uwn0hns71rtqrgyo1_400.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

lol? if we're going to blame him for losing then maybe we should give him medals for being the ONLY reason the cavs were relevant/in the playoffs




inb4 bbbbut mo williams and shaq!


how are we not going to blame him for losing when he shoots 35% and averages 5 turnovers per game in a series that went 7 games? :confusedshrug:

[Solefade]

how are we not going to blame him for losing when he shoots 35% and averages 5 turnovers per game in a series that went 7 games? :confusedshrug:


you're talking about 2008? maybe because the celtics were really ****ing good at defense?

if you are gonna go as far as to blame the guy that initiates the offense, scores the majority of the teams points, leads team in rebounding/blocks/stls/assists, and guards the other team's best player then are you willing to admit that it was kobe's fault they lost or "choked" in the finals then? or are you going to blame Pau for this? :roll:

[JT123]

he's 25 dude

Lebron didn't win a ring on 60+ win teams and left in free agency to make things easier and he still gets a pass

so yes
:facepalm Lebron has NEVER gotten a pass for not winning in 09 and 10. Stop trying to rewrite history to fit your agenda.

[nzahir]

Fudge is back

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4uwn0hns71rtqrgyo1_400.gif
dont worry he lives in OKC...HHAHAHAHAHAHA sucks

[TheMarkMadsen]

you're talking about 2008? maybe because the celtics were really ****ing good at defense?

if you are gonna go as far as to blame the guy that initiates the offense, scores the majority of the teams points, leads team in rebounding/blocks/stls/assists, and guards the other team's best player then are you willing to admit that it was kobe's fault they lost or "choked" in the finals then? or are you going to blame Pau for this? :roll:


holy shit, the guy who constantly bags on Kobe for any failure he's ever had is taken back by somebody blaming the "guy who initiates the offense" while shooting 35% and creating 5 turnovers a game,

so no matter how poorly a player plays we aren't allowed to critisize them if they "initiate" the offense? :lol

so then why do you constantly take shots at KD for his Memphis series w/o WB?

And no, anybody watching the 2008 finals wouldn't blame Kobe, no all stars on the team, Vladimir Radmanovic was a starter and our back up big men consisted of Luke Walton & Ronny Turiaf and Pau Gasol was on a milk carton while simultaneously being found just long enough to be dicked on in the paint on almost every possession

[Fudge]

dont worry he lives in OKC...HHAHAHAHAHAHA sucks
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/6/47qh.jpg

You dumb, bro?

[Solefade]

holy shit, the guy who constantly bags on Kobe for any failure he's ever had is taken back by somebody blaming the "guy who initiates the offense" while shooting 35% and creating 5 turnovers a game,

so no matter how poorly a player plays we aren't allowed to critisize them if they "initiate" the offense? :lol

so then why do you constantly take shots at KD for his Memphis series w/o WB?

And no, anybody watching the 2008 finals wouldn't blame Kobe, no all stars on the team, Vladimir Radmanovic was a starter and our back up big men consisted of Luke Walton & Ronny Turiaf and Pau Gasol was on a milk carton while simultaneously being found just long enough to be dicked on in the paint on almost every possession

first off, I hardly bag Kobe, my only problem is with the Kobetards. Kobe's actually one of my favorite guys I enjoy watching in the NBA. he plays very differently from lebron but it's interesting to me. And obviously we're all allowed to criticize whoever plays poorly but SOLELY blaming lebron for the cavs losing to the 08 celtics is fvcking ridiculous.

KD played like shit against the grizzlies and got swept by them...who then went on to get swept by the Spurs :rolleyes: he doesn't get a pass for that and nor will he get a pass this season if he loses again

and you're gonna act like kobe's 26/5/5 on 40% with 3 TO/g isn't pretty close to what lebron was doing with a MUCH better team? it almost sounds like you're arguing that the 08 lakers were worse than the 08 cavs :roll:

i know you hate lebron but you're being extremely hypocritical here without even realizing it

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

if he doesn't win the chip and FMVP this year?

He's the clear MVP (objectively) and is playing amazing, and most here are saying he's overtaken Lebron at the world's best. In addition, his team has a great record and is statistically dominant on both sides of the court, while missing its second best player who will return for the playoffs. Most here have anointed him the game's best player. Will he, or should he, get a pass if he doesn't win it all?

get a pass for what? Dude is going to win within the next 3 years. Not really sure what you are asking. If he doesn't win then yeah we will say he didn't win?

[TheMarkMadsen]

first off, I hardly bag Kobe, my only problem is with the Kobetards. Kobe's actually one of my favorite guys I enjoy watching in the NBA. he plays very differently from lebron but it's interesting to me. And obviously we're all allowed to criticize whoever plays poorly but SOLELY blaming lebron for the cavs losing to the 08 celtics is fvcking ridiculous.

KD played like shit against the grizzlies and got swept by them...who then went on to get swept by the Spurs :rolleyes: he doesn't get a pass for that and nor will he get a pass this season if he loses again

and you're gonna act like kobe's 26/5/5 on 40% with 3 TO/g isn't pretty close to what lebron was doing with a MUCH better team? it almost sounds like you're arguing that the 08 lakers were worse than the 08 cavs :roll:

i know you hate lebron but you're being extremely hypocritical here without even realizing it


uhmmm no.


and yes, the Lakers weren't that much worse than the 08 Cavs, Pau & Odom both played like shit for the WCF & the finals. No Bynum, Ariza out and injured

Vladmir Radmanovic starting, Luke Walton the 6th man..

[SpecialQue]

Absolutely no one in the world gives a shit about your opinion. Not even your mom, even though she pretends otherwise.

[Solefade]

uhmmm no.


and yes, the Lakers weren't that much worse than the 08 Cavs Pau & Odom both played like shit for the WCF & the finals. No Bynum, Ariza out and injured

Vladmir Radmanovic starting, Luke Walton the 6th man..


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[AintNoSunshine]

depends on how he plays...

[All Net]

Yes because Miami are still the title favourites.

If he loses early? That's different.. But if he loses to the favourites? Why should he get killed for that?

[Nash]

He will get shitted on. He has another superstar and a bunch of quality players around in a team performing great.

I mean, even Melo who is in no position to win a championship is getting all kinds of shit talked about him.