Too be honest, I have to admit that Kobe is more clutch...

[Derivative]

...than Kendrick Perkins.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/ScreenShot2013-10-17at121453PM_zps35aae77b.png

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/bP4X0vS_zps6ba0d8c5.jpg

[Warfan]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Kendrick-Perkins.jpg

[TylerOO]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[zoom17]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Kendrick-Perkins.jpg

:oldlol:

[Smook A.]

Every NBA player is more clutch than Perk.

LoL even im more clutch

[Smook A.]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Kendrick-Perkins.jpg
This guy has fish lips

[navy]

Kendrick Perkins is a clutch mother ****er doe.

[KyleKong]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1890145/perkins.gif


http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Kendrick-Perkins-laughs.gif

[freshperry]

Honestly clutch doesn't even mean 10 seconds or less... that is some ESPN hype they want you to believe. I feel like coaches think more in the mindset of, "If i need a bucket , can player X get me points?" This scenario just happens to occur a lot more at the latter stages of the game..

[I<3NBA]

i've always wondered why if Kobe was so clutch, all the memorable Lakers game winners during their championship runs were made by Fisher, Horry, and Artest.

[TheMarkMadsen]

"final 10 seconds"

so all the clutch shots hit under with 6 minutes to go, 5 minutes to go, 2 minutes to go minute to go, or with 30 seconds, 20 seconds, 15 seconds, 11 seconds.. those shots weren't clutch?

[aj1987]

http://i.imgur.com/wFxJMch.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

"final 10 seconds"

so all the clutch shots hit under with 6 minutes to go, 5 minutes to go, 2 minutes to go minute to go, or with 30 seconds, 20 seconds, 15 seconds, 11 seconds.. those shots weren't clutch?

With ESPN , I find there is always a fixed criteria.

[Derivative]

"final 10 seconds"

so all the clutch shots hit under with 6 minutes to go, 5 minutes to go, 2 minutes to go minute to go, or with 30 seconds, 20 seconds, 15 seconds, 11 seconds.. those shots weren't clutch?


http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/bP4X0vS_zps6ba0d8c5.jpg

Here's final 24 seconds.

Doesn't matter if it's final 5 minutes, final 3 minutes, final 24 seconds, or final 10 seconds, Kobe's FG% will always be significantly lower

[zoom17]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/bP4X0vS_zps6ba0d8c5.jpg

Here's final 24 seconds.

Doesn't matter if it's final 5 minutes, final 3 minutes, final 24 seconds, or final 10 seconds, Kobe's FG% will always be significantly lower

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KyleKong]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/bP4X0vS_zps6ba0d8c5.jpg

Here's final 24 seconds.

Doesn't matter if it's final 5 minutes, final 3 minutes, final 24 seconds, or final 10 seconds, Kobe's FG% will always be significantly lower
http://media.giphy.com/media/Xpenk1cvTdFUA/giphy.gif

[cos88]

http://imageshack.com/a/img854/6528/lswr.gif (https://imageshack.com/i/nqlswrg)

[DonDadda59]

I never needed stats to know Bean was ridiculously overrated as a clutch player. The eye test is all you need.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/bP4X0vS_zps6ba0d8c5.jpg

Here's final 24 seconds.

Doesn't matter if it's final 5 minutes, final 3 minutes, final 24 seconds, or final 10 seconds, Kobe's FG% will always be significantly lower

And this is supposed to mean.. :confusedshrug:

Do you even know where these stats are coming from?

http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/

they count Kobe as "missing" a game winning shot with 20 seconds left in game 1 of the final :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QwnJwrgCCY

which never happened, it was a turnover while trying to pass.. not a shot.

bball reference counts it as a turnover http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200106060LAL.html#q4

In that same game Kobe hits a shot to cut the lead to 2 with 34 seconds to go in OT, but that wasn't clutch right?


And they did it again.. they count Kobe as "missing" a game winning shot in game 7 of the 2002 WCF :facepalm

watch it for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aR_Wo8D7vw&list=PL5E0B514871AF8EAD

:rolleyes:

[Derivative]

And this is supposed to mean.. :confusedshrug:

Do you even know where these stats are coming from?

http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/

they count Kobe as "missing" a game winning shot with 20 seconds left in game 1 of the final :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QwnJwrgCCY

which never happened, it was a turnover while trying to pass.. not a shot.

bball reference counts it as a turnover http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200106060LAL.html#q4

In that same game Kobe hits a shot to cut the lead to 2 with 34 seconds to go in OT, but that wasn't clutch right?

and you think those types of counting errors don't happen to other players?

[TheMarkMadsen]

and you think those types of counting errors don't happen to other players?


And they did it again.. they count Kobe as "missing" a game winning shot in game 7 of the 2002 WCF :facepalm

watch it for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aR_Wo8D7vw&list=PL5E0B514871AF8EAD

:rolleyes:

[Warfan]

Was trying to see if OPs numbers were right and found this

http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-vs-lebron-whos-more-clutch/

Decent breakdown

[Fazotronic]

Was trying to see if OPs numbers were right and found this

http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-vs-lebron-whos-more-clutch/

Decent breakdown
thx



Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)



Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (* NBA Record)

LeBron is clearly the better player when it pertains to game 7s

Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)

LeBron is also clearly the better player when facing elimination.

Game 7 of their most recent NBA Finals

Kobe in game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals: 23 points, 6 for 24 shooting (0 for 6 from 3pt range), 25% FG, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 4 turnovers

LeBron in game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals: 37 points, 12 for 23 shooting (5 for 7 from 3pt range), 52% FG, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 2 turnovers.

[Derivative]

thx


lol ethered

[Bless Mathews]

Was trying to see if OPs numbers were right and found this

http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-vs-lebron-whos-more-clutch/

Decent breakdown
Slayed. Fucc a Kobe.

Tim hardaway - fOnkiest point guard ever. :applause:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

This thread should be stickied just so whenever kobe stans try claim his clutchness 1 link and they are done

[BoutPractice]

It's an incredibly small sample size. Say LeBron makes the next one, his percentage becomes the same as Jordan... if he misses Jordan will look like he's much more clutch. All because of one shot. When one shot affects the result so much, as a rule of thumb, the sample size is not large enough.

[Andrei89]

Was trying to see if OPs numbers were right and found this

http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-vs-lebron-whos-more-clutch/

Decent breakdown

Holy shit that Ether!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OP should add Warfan link to the first post.

[NumberSix]

This guy has fish lips
Perfect for fishdicks.

[zoom17]

thx

:lebronamazed:

[IMObjective]

Aw, this hurts. I also hate that picture with kobe most shots missed this most shots missed that....

But he still played a huge part in every one of those 5 championships and that's all that matters to me.

[Fazotronic]

Aw, this hurts. I also hate that picture with kobe most shots missed this most shots missed that....

But he still played a huge part in every one of those 5 championships and that's all that matters to me.

i don't think this would be this big of a issues if (some) fans wouldn't make him the god of basketball which he clearly isn't.

[Jameerthefear]

Did Kobe stans just get LAUGHED out of another thread? Is this becoming a regular occurrence now... everyone just owning Kobe stans on regular occasion. I love it.

[Magic 32]

Did Kobe stans just get LAUGHED out of another thread? Is this becoming a regular occurrence now... everyone just owning Kobe stans on regular occasion. I love it.

You're the expert.

June 2011 -> February 2014

14.299/33 = 433 posts per month

14 posts per day

1 post every two hours, for 33 months.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/9QS0q3mGPGg/hqdefault.jpg

[Jameerthefear]

You're the expert.

June 2011 -> February 2014

14.299/33 = 433 posts per month

14 posts per day

1 post every two hours, for 33 months.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/9QS0q3mGPGg/hqdefault.jpg
Ad hominem lmaooo. Kobe stans have ran out of ammo! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Demitri98]

Breaking: the Pope is catholic.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You're the expert.

June 2011 -> February 2014

14.299/33 = 433 posts per month

14 posts per day

1 post every two hours, for 33 months.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/9QS0q3mGPGg/hqdefault.jpg
So yeah maybe Jameer posts a lot, but where's your counter to the LeBron/Kobe clutch argument? Or are you admitting defeat by using ad hominem?

[buddha]

i'd bet money that 80% of LeBron's clutch shots are layups.

[Andrei89]

i'd bet money that 80% of LeBron's clutch shots are layups.



So?

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Magic 32]

So yeah maybe Jameer posts a lot, but where's your counter to the LeBron/Kobe clutch argument? Or are you admitting defeat by using ad hominem?


If this "tip in" counts as a missed shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuZr5AN-bsM&t=7m14s

then I don't care about these graphs. I want to judge those shots by seeing them on vid.

And Kobe would never do this to protect his clutch FG%:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUtsYNTRgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzWRS6GaXhA&t=5m43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89XqDgD-M_E

[Illuminati]

thx
:eek:

[Illuminati]

i'd bet money that 80% of LeBron's clutch shots are layups.

LOL. So now game-winners only count if it's a fade away 3 pointer over 3 defenders.

[Magic 32]

LOL. So now game-winners only count if it's a fade away 3 pointer over 3 defenders.

No, but I would rather see a superstar take a fadeaway over 3 defenders than do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUtsYNTRgw

[aj1987]

If this "tip in" counts as a missed shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuZr5AN-bsM&t=7m14s

then I don't care about these graphs. I want to judge those shots by seeing them on vid.

And Kobe would never do this to protect his clutch FG%:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUtsYNTRgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzWRS6GaXhA&t=5m43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89XqDgD-M_E
To be fair, he made the right play in the Mavs and Jazz games. Haslem was wide open and he's usually money from that spot. Wade also was like 13-20 for 36 points that game and was killing the Mavs. Celtics? That's actually inexcusable. Dude HAS to take that shot.

ASG? Seriously? They don't count that shit toward clutch stats.

[Magic 32]

To be fair, he made the right play in the Mavs and Jazz games. Haslem was wide open and he's usually money from that spot. Wade also was like 13-20 for 36 points that game and was killing the Mavs. Celtics? That's actually inexcusable. Dude HAS to take that shot.

ASG? Seriously? They don't count that shit toward clutch stats.

Not every "pass up" is on youtube.

You get the picture.

[Magic 32]

here's some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdIEgO2PUqE :lol

Two of those were insanely difficult catch-and-shoot situations, dictated by a poor inbound pass by Ariza (2009 vs Jazz) and a badly drawn up play (2010 vs Suns).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgyqpwwMpLw&t=7m20s

The Nuggets game? Maybe he was just worn down after doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA48FNlQjzE&t=2m42s

[aj1987]

Two of those were insanely difficult catch-and-shoot situations, dictated by a poor inbound pass by Ariza (2009 vs Jazz) and a badly drawn up play (2010 vs Suns).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgyqpwwMpLw&t=7m20s

The Nuggets game? Maybe he was just worn down after doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA48FNlQjzE&t=2m42s
Keep the excuses coming, brah.

[Magic 32]

Keep the excuses coming, brah.

Keep the blind hate coming.

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe fans are just grasping at straws now :roll:

[Magic 32]

Kobe fans are just grasping at straws now :roll:

http://i.giflike.com/mCNaRm9_sg.gif
http://i.giflike.com/av3APRg_sg.gif

[Leftimage]

http://i.imgur.com/kUQPjRp.png

:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[aj1987]

Keep the blind hate coming.
What hate? Did you see me hating on anyone in this thread?

[Uncle Drew]

As a matter of fact, Perkins is very clutch.

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52fbef4ea2b56/52fbef4e9d57c-perkins1.gif

Great defensive play down the stretch....

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52fbefecee738/52fbefece9919-perkins2.gif

...Leading to this clutch basket on the offensive end. KD had 41 that game, but the MVP was clearly GOATkins.

[Magic 32]

As a matter of fact, Perkins is very clutch.

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52fbef4ea2b56/52fbef4e9d57c-perkins1.gif

Great defensive play down the stretch....

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52fbefecee738/52fbefece9919-perkins2.gif

...Leading to this clutch basket on the offensive end. KD had 41 that game, but the MVP was clearly GOATkins.

http://i.imgur.com/8I6HX.gif

[AKA AAP 23]

In any context of clutch, Kobe fails miserably. Last 10 seconds, 24 seconds, game winning shots, game tying shots, last 5 minutes of a close game, 4th quarter, NBA Finals, etc. You can attribute it to two things.

1. Absolutely horrible decisions.

If the team is down by 1 in the final possession, it's extremely common for Kobe to chuck up one of his anti-clutch 25 foot fadeaway 3, with his eyes closed and fingers crossed, over a double team. In Kobe's mind, it looks more heroic than driving it in (which he is scared to do in the clutch), taking a midrange J, or passing it to an open teammate (which is never an option for him). He even has the refs to bail him out just in case he is capable of making a smart decision when the game is on the line.

2. Mental weakness.

Kobe could definitely learn a lot from LeBron in this aspect of basketball.

[Magic 32]

or passing it to an open teammate (which is never an option for him).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fe9KqCIJ5A&t=5m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s4DUjHUBXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t54Rn1GSZ6E&t=0m32s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6V1-UraQAs&t=10m10s

That took about 10 seconds.

The crap you write about stems mostly from the 05-07 period, when Kobe failed to trust Brian Cook, Smush Parker and Kwame Brown in the clutch.

Shame on him.

[Derivative]

:banana: :banana: