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Hamtaro CP3KDKG
02-12-2014, 05:19 AM
2 different players
1 for O
1 for D
let see em:applause:

FKAri
02-12-2014, 05:26 AM
When Wilt averaged 119 ppg in 1921. That's gotta be the best offensive season ever.

As for defense? LeGod ofc. Pick any season cuz hes da best. Those chase down blocks; that denial on Pau. Nobody like that ever. GOAT

JohnFreeman
02-12-2014, 05:28 AM
1961-62 - Big O averaging a triple double

Milbuck
02-12-2014, 05:47 AM
Offense: 1987 Magic

Defense: 1994 Hakeem

OldSchoolBBall
02-12-2014, 10:26 AM
Offense: Jordan '90

Defense: Hakeem '93 or '94

ArbitraryWater
02-12-2014, 10:28 AM
Offense? LeBron 2009/2010.

30 PPG and 9 APG. So if we simply add it up it gives us a total of 39. Now you factor in 50% shooting, and you got a great mix of the 2 while playing efficient.

Adjusted for pace&competition it surely beats Oscar's 31&11..

kshutts1
02-12-2014, 12:36 PM
I don't see how offense is a question.

Wilt. Pick a year.

Defense? Probably Russell, but I don't have any evidence to make or support a claim. Kareem had some disgusting stats too, though.

sd3035
02-12-2014, 12:41 PM
obviously Wilt for offense

Fazotronic
02-12-2014, 12:50 PM
obviously Wilt for offense

oh are we in the 50's again?

NumberSix
02-12-2014, 12:56 PM
Offense? LeBron 2009/2010.

30 PPG and 9 APG. So if we simply add it up it gives us a total of 39. Now you factor in 50% shooting, and you got a great mix of the 2 while playing efficient.

Adjusted for pace&competition it surely beats Oscar's 31&11..
You might wanna re-check your math. I don't think its possible to assist on 1-pointers.

pudman13
02-12-2014, 12:58 PM
Defense is impossible to quantify because blocks and steals weren't counted until the 70s. Russell and chamberlain would have some pretty amazing block totals, and I bet Jerry West would have held some steal records.

kshutts1
02-12-2014, 12:58 PM
oh are we in the 50's again?
1950s, 2000s, 3010s, doesn't matter. He's the best.

PHILA
02-12-2014, 05:24 PM
Offense: 1988 Bird
Defense: 1964 Russell

Pointguard
02-12-2014, 06:51 PM
It only makes sense to answer this according to what you seen. In that regards:

Offense Magic's '87 season
Defense Garnetts '08 season

inclinerator
02-12-2014, 08:55 PM
2014 k durant offense

and limiting westbrook to 0 ppg

Joyner82reload
02-12-2014, 09:05 PM
Offense? LeBron 2009/2010.

30 PPG and 9 APG. So if we simply add it up it gives us a total of 39. Now you factor in 50% shooting, and you got a great mix of the 2 while playing efficient.

Adjusted for pace&competition it surely beats Oscar's 31&11..

LOL. 2010 LeBron wasn't even better than Durant this year in terms of offense

Smoke117
02-12-2014, 10:36 PM
People always pick the wrong Hakeem seasons for his prime defensively. His best defensive season is 1990 and his best defense in general was played 88-91. He was elite no matter what but that was his most dominate stretch and easily his single most dominant season.

SHAQisGOAT
02-12-2014, 10:57 PM
Call it for pure offense, I'm going with 87 Magic, for the ability to score very efficiently while displaying GOAT passing, for keeping everyone involved and making teammates and team better, for knowing how to control the pace and what to do, plus keeping it up in the post-season.
If we're talking about dominant scoring it would strictly be something by Shaq, Kareem, Jordan or Wilt.
If we're talking about all-around offense I'm going with one of Bird's years.. GOAT-level shooting from anywhere in any way, great post-game, ability to bang down low and grab offensive boards too, could drive and had great touch with either hand, GOAT-level passing, made teammates better, could set screens and run the pick-n-roll, tremendous IQ and terrific off-ball game, plus didn't need to be as ball dominant as other superstars to dominate, impactful in numerous ways and could work with just about any type of player. Say, what KD's currently doing on offense but with better passing, more toughness, better offensive rebounding, higher IQ and understanding of the game, plus more all-around, versatile.

For defense, pick one of Bill Russell's best defensive seasons and there you go. Hakeem comes 2nd.
If we're talking about versatily and all-around defense, 1977 Bobby Jones deserves a huge mention, could guard all types of forwards, some centers and some guards, while always doing a great job at it, protected the paint, played passing lanes, created turnovers, one of the best at blocking who he was guarding, could deny the ball, smart - all-defensive 1st with most votes, 2nd in dws, 1st in drtg (with his team), 6th in steals, 9th in blocks, 2nd in ws/48.

fpliii
02-12-2014, 11:00 PM
Offense: 1988 Bird
Defense: 1964 Russell
These are actually exactly my picks.

LAZERUSS
02-15-2014, 12:07 PM
Offense: 1988 Bird
Defense: 1964 Russell

Russell's '64 season is generally ranked as the greatest defensive season ever. Using Defensive Win Shares, his 16.0 is the highest season, by far, in NBA history.

And while his defense went beyond one-on-one matchups, it is still interesting to look at what Chamberlain, with no help at all, accomplished against him. The two went at it in eight regular season games, and then five more times in the Finals. This may have been Chamberlain's most consistent season against Russell in their ten years in the league together.

In those 13 games, Wilt's low point total was 22 points, and his high total, achieved twice, was 35. He scored 30+ points in eight of the 13 games (and BTW, in three of his five Finals games.)

And in those 13 contests, he shot over 50% from the field nine times. His worst shooting perfomances were 11-25 and 12-28. His best games were 13-20 and 15-22.

In his eight regular season H2H's, Wilt averaged 29.2 ppg, 26.9 rpg, 3.7 apg, and shot .524 from the field against Russell. Keep in mind that the NBA averaged 111.0 ppg on a .433 eFG% that season.

In his five Finals games against Russell, Chamberlain averaged 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, and shot .517 from the field. However, NBA scoring and efficiency dropped to 105.8 ppg and .420 shooting in the post-season.

Overall, in those 13 games, and against a peak Russell in the greatest defensive season in NBA history...

29.2 ppg, 27.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and on a .521 eFG% (in a league that shot a combined .430 in the season.)

longhornfan1234
02-15-2014, 12:23 PM
Russell's '64 season is generally ranked as the greatest defensive season ever. Using Defensive Win Shares, his 16.0 is the highest season, by far, in NBA history.

And while his defense went beyond one-on-one matchups, it is still interesting to look at what Chamberlain, with no help at all, accomplished against him. The two went at it in eight regular season games, and then five more times in the Finals. This may have been Chamberlain's most consistent season against Russell in their ten years in the league together.

In those 13 games, Wilt's low point total was 22 points, and his high total, achieved twice, was 35. He scored 30+ points in eight of the 13 games (and BTW, in three of his five Finals games.)

And in those 13 contests, he shot over 50% from the field nine times. His worst shooting perfomances were 11-25 and 12-28. His best games were 13-20 and 15-22.

In his eight regular season H2H's, Wilt averaged 32.9 ppg, 26.9 rpg, 3.7 apg, and shot .524 from the field against Russell. Keep in mind that the NBA averaged 111.0 ppg on a .433 eFG% that season.

In his five Finals games against Russell, Chamberlain averaged 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, and shot .517 from the field. However, NBA scoring and efficiency dropped to 105.8 ppg and .420 shooting in the post-season.

Overall, in those 13 games, and against a peak Russell in the greatest defensive season in NBA history...

31.5 ppg, 27.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and on a .521 eFG% (in a league that shot a combined .430 in the season.)


Take Wilt's cawk out of your mouth.

PsychoBe
02-15-2014, 12:24 PM
Russell's '64 season is generally ranked as the greatest defensive season ever. Using Defensive Win Shares, his 16.0 is the highest season, by far, in NBA history.

-wilt fellatio statement-

that was all you needed to say. the rest is blatant attention seeking which you need to stop. it's asinine at this point.

BoutPractice
02-15-2014, 12:28 PM
Season I actually followed game by game:
Offense: Shaq 2000
Defense: Garnett 2008

SHABBA
02-15-2014, 12:29 PM
Russell's '64 season is generally ranked as the greatest defensive season ever. Using Defensive Win Shares, his 16.0 is the highest season, by far, in NBA history.

And while his defense went beyond one-on-one matchups, it is still interesting to look at what Chamberlain, with no help at all, accomplished against him. The two went at it in eight regular season games, and then five more times in the Finals. This may have been Chamberlain's most consistent season against Russell in their ten years in the league together.

In those 13 games, Wilt's low point total was 22 points, and his high total, achieved twice, was 35. He scored 30+ points in eight of the 13 games (and BTW, in three of his five Finals games.)

And in those 13 contests, he shot over 50% from the field nine times. His worst shooting perfomances were 11-25 and 12-28. His best games were 13-20 and 15-22.

In his eight regular season H2H's, Wilt averaged 32.9 ppg, 26.9 rpg, 3.7 apg, and shot .524 from the field against Russell. Keep in mind that the NBA averaged 111.0 ppg on a .433 eFG% that season.

In his five Finals games against Russell, Chamberlain averaged 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, and shot .517 from the field. However, NBA scoring and efficiency dropped to 105.8 ppg and .420 shooting in the post-season.

Overall, in those 13 games, and against a peak Russell in the greatest defensive season in NBA history...

31.5 ppg, 27.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and on a .521 eFG% (in a league that shot a combined .430 in the season.)
:coleman:

LAZERUSS
02-15-2014, 03:12 PM
Greatest offensive seasons would be almost any of Wilt's 60-68 seasons. Then after that, players like MJ, Kareem, and Kobe would be in the conversation.

And defensively, a mid-60's Chamberlain was on par with Russell, and probably surpassed him in '67 and '68.

Odinn
02-15-2014, 03:20 PM
Season I actually followed game by game:
Offense: Shaq 2000
Defense: Garnett 2008
That kinda approach will get us more accurate results.

Offensive: 1999-00 Shaq
Defensive: It's hard to pick single best season of Ben Wallace.

LAZERUSS
02-15-2014, 03:30 PM
McAdoo ran away with the NBA scoring title in his 74-75 season, at 34.5 ppg on a .512 FG%...and in a league that averaged 102.6 ppg on a .457 eFG%. A mid-70's McAdoo was among the greatest offensive players of all-time.

LAZERUSS
02-15-2014, 04:14 PM
Chamberlain's 64-65, 65-66, and 66-67 seasons were probably the most dominant ever against HOF peers. He absolutely destroyed EVERY center he faced in those years, including HOFers Willis Reed, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, and Bill Russell, (and including post-season play), by unfathomable margins in scoring, rebounding, passing, and FG%'s.

sd3035
02-15-2014, 04:22 PM
Wilt in both categories in the 60s

steve
02-15-2014, 07:01 PM
That kinda approach will get us more accurate results.

Offensive: 1999-00 Shaq
Defensive: It's hard to pick single best season of Ben Wallace.

'04 was probably his defensive peak or when he put up his absolute best numbers. He was going to be my pick and I don't think people quite appreciate what a defensive monster he was during his prime, especially when consider he played 38 minutes a game despite being a drain in certain offensive situations.

SamuraiSWISH
02-15-2014, 07:25 PM
How about 1 for both offense, and defense?

MJ - '88
MJ - '89
MJ - '90
MJ - '91
MJ - '92
MJ - '93

Papaya Petee
02-15-2014, 07:31 PM
LOL. 2010 LeBron wasn't even better than Durant this year in terms of offense
:roll:

30 PPG 9 APG vs 32 PPG 6 APG