Is Kevin Durant more valuable than prime Shaq?

[RoseCity07]

I'm being serious here. I saw prime Shaq play and I'm starting to wonder who is more valuable here. Durant's efficiency from 3 and the free throw line more than make up for the fact that Shaq dominated the paint. Also consider that the league is caters to guard like players.

Who would you take if you had to pick right now?

[zoom17]

I'm being serious here. I saw prime Shaq play and I'm starting to wonder who is more valuable here. Durant's efficiency from 3 and the free throw line more than make up for the fact that Shaq dominated the paint. Also consider that the league is caters to guard like players.

Who would you take if you had to pick right now?

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[moe94]

http://img2.joyreactor.com/pics/comment/gif-animals-sphere-hunter-702622.gif

[Jameerthefear]

...

[Fudge]

:oldlol: @ you trying to desperately give Durant a bad name around here. I could see right through your scummy ass, boy.

[JohnFreeman]

:biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm being serious here. I saw prime Shaq play and I'm starting to wonder who is more valuable here. Durant's efficiency from 3 and the free throw line more than make up for the fact that Shaq dominated the paint. Also consider that the league is caters to guard like players.

Who would you take if you had to pick right now?
Shaq without hesitation or thinking twice about it.

[secund2nun]

Shaq and it's not even close. Shaq is a much better rebounder, his scoring is elite, and Shaq was a good defender he finished 2nd in DPOY once. Also Shaq was a good passer. Durant get hid on role players on defense.

[NumberSix]

KDs value = happy meal

LeBron's value = entire value menu half price

[DonDadda59]

Call me when Durant leads OKC to a 3peat and turns into a 40/20 threat in the finals.

A random month and change stretch in the middle of the regular season is a legitimate candidate for MDE doe.

[Milbuck]

I could just say stop, OP's a f@g, **** OP, all that stuff. I won't though.

OP really is a f@g though. There's not a doubt in my mind that he sucks off large sweaty migrant workers for spare change. Change which he uses to get into men's bathhouses.

[JohnFreeman]

Prime Shaq can't be guarded by Chalmers

[RoseCity07]

Why is this being looked at as a troll thread. I'm dead serious. I didn't expect this reaction. I expected "Durant by little" or "Shaq and it's not even close".

I'm looking at the numbers for Durant and it's really unprecedented. I'd choose Durant over prime Shaq. Durant isn't going to miss free throws at the end of the game. He's gets you easy buckets. He is dominating the game right now.

[AintNoSunshine]

:oldlol: When you're trolling next time, try to not make it so obvious

[inclinerator]

on this current streak i would say so, putting up monster numbers and beating all the good teams. If he can do this for a whole year it's certainly debatable

[CavaliersFTW]

Why is this being looked at as a troll thread. I'm dead serious. I didn't expect this reaction. I expected "Durant by little" or "Shaq and it's not even close".

I'm looking at the numbers for Durant and it's really unprecedented. I'd choose Durant over prime Shaq. Durant isn't going to miss free throws at the end of the game. He's gets you easy buckets. He is dominating the game right now.
He also isn't going to scare the living shit out of his opponents.

[retaxis]

Show me the rings Durant show me the rings.

[El Gato Negro]

Nope

[fpliii]

C'mon, Shaq's peak is one of the GOATs.

[DonDadda59]

Why is this being looked at as a troll thread. I'm dead serious. I didn't expect this reaction. I expected "Durant by little" or "Shaq and it's not even close".

I'm looking at the numbers for Durant and it's really unprecedented. I'd choose Durant over prime Shaq. Durant isn't going to miss free throws at the end of the game. He's gets you easy buckets. He is dominating the game right now.

Seeing as how it's February and KD is sitting on 0 'ships... how about we wait until June 2016 before we answer. If KD has 3 'ships, 3 finals MVPs and ATG playoff/finals runs then we can revisit this question.

How's that sound?

[sd3035]

prime shaq over anyone in the history of the game if you want to win a few titles, who cares if he'll suck and be fat after a few years

[JohnFreeman]

I'll take the one with the MVPS and Rings

[moe94]

Shaq summed up

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-18676-Shaq-Disrespectful-Dunk-gif-nzTL.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1124320/durantft.gif

Durant summed up

[HomieWeMajor]

When you're shooting 60% on two's why do you need to shoot threes ?

[Mure]

:biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

KDs better offensively. Shaqs overall better due to his intimidating defense in the paint

[JohnFreeman]

KDs better offensively. Shaqs overall better due to his intimidating defense in the paint
:biggums:

[zoom17]

Shaq summed up

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-18676-Shaq-Disrespectful-Dunk-gif-nzTL.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1124320/durantft.gif

Durant summed up

poor white guy he got molested:roll:

[RoseCity07]

When you're shooting 60% on two's why do you need to shoot threes ?

A lot of NBA teams, like my Blazers, are living off the concept that you don't need to be efficient as long as you make 3's. The two point shot at 60% isn't as valuable as a lower efficiency from 3.

[moe94]

KDs better offensively. Shaqs overall better due to his intimidating defense in the paint

:biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Also

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=curryed01&p2=onealsh01
:lol :lol :lol :lol

[fpliii]

KDs better offensively. Shaqs overall better due to his intimidating defense in the paint
:biggums:

[moe94]

Also

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=curryed01&p2=onealsh01
:lol :lol :lol :lol

Confirmed LAZ alt

[DonDadda59]

poor white guy he got molested:roll:

You show some respect :no:

That 'poor white guy' is Mr. Chris Dudley aka the man who poked Tim Duncan in the eye in the '99 finals, allowing the Knicks to win one game. There should be a statue of him in Times Square.

[nzahir]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

:facepalm :banghead:

[navy]

Prime Shaq was a monster.

[dazzer87]

OP for real.......comparing Kd to Shaq.......:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: I reallly believe most here on this forum started watching bb couple of years ago....

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:biggums:
:biggums:
Much better shooter
better scorer
more efficient allaround
better playmaker/passer

Shaqs much better in the post but his FT shooting hurts his overall offensive game:biggums:

[dazzer87]

KDs better offensively. Shaqs overall better due to his intimidating defense in the paint
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

:biggums:
Much better shooter
better scorer
more efficient allaround
better playmaker/passer

Shaqs much better in the post but his FT shooting hurts his overall offensive game:biggums:

Wow KD shoots better than a center? Who would have thought? :hammerhead:
You pass that ball to Shaq in the paint, he is scoring. Stop it

[fpliii]

:biggums:
Much better shooter
better scorer
more efficient allaround
better playmaker/passer

Shaqs much better in the post but his FT shooting hurts his overall offensive game:biggums:
C'mon homie we're talking about the Big Diesel here.

:no:

[moe94]

:biggums:
Much better shooter
better scorer
more efficient allaround
better playmaker/passer

Shaqs much better in the post but his FT shooting hurts his overall offensive game:biggums:

You are a straight retard for this one, Taro. :facepalm

[tpols]

You forgot Shaq was a liability in close games with hack a shaq while Durant is infinitely more valuable in the clutch.

[Milbuck]

You are a straight retard for this one, Taro. :facepalm
No, don't call him Taro. He doesn't deserve a nickname after that post.

[zoom17]

KD fans getting exposed:oldlol:

[navy]

You forgot Shaq was a liability in close games with hack a shaq while Durant is infinitely more valuable in the clutch.
Like vs Memphis?

[RoseCity07]

KD fans getting exposed:oldlol:

I'm a KD fan now? You're not really considering this question. I saw Prime Shaq play. I watched all 7 games of the WCFs in 2000. Not to mention the many first round match ups against the Lakers and Portland. I've seen both play and Durant is on that level right now.

[JohnFreeman]

Like vs Memphis?
Durant played some good D on Chalmers in the 2012 finals bro :oldlol:

[FireDavidKahn]

*****, you crazy? Prime Shaq was only second to Jordan.

[tpols]

Like vs Memphis?

What happened? Didnt see that game.. If Durant missed some clutch shots in one regular season game it doesnt take away what hes done in the clutch over and over now for years doe.

Durant can put games on ice and take over 4th quarters.. Shaq had to be hidden and cost his team offensive efficiency with his bricks from the line when they needed pts most.

Part of why he needed frobe who was the leading fourth Q playoff scorer for the whole 3peat.. if KD had a Kobe level talent hed be 3peating too.

[DonDadda59]

I'm a KD fan now? You're not really considering this question. I saw Prime Shaq play. I watched all 7 games of the WCFs in 2000. Not to mention the many first round match ups against the Lakers and Portland. I've seen both play and Durant is on that level right now.

Right now? As in mid February, a few days before the all star break?

Durant right now is on Playoff prime Shaq's level? Right now?

Word?

[HomieWeMajor]

I'll tell you one thing though. If KD ever decided to add about 70-80 pounds of fat then he would be the most unstoppable force ever.

[moe94]

What happened? Didnt see that game.. If Durant missed some clutch shots in one regular season game it doesnt take away what hes done in the clutch over and over now for years doe.


:biggums:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Kobe stans spreading their propaganda to bring down Shaq again :rolleyes:

[tpols]

:biggums:
realize hes talkin last years playoffs.. which doesnt even have to be addressed. WB went down.. Snaq wasnt winning shit if his second best dropped.

[moe94]

realize hes talkin last years playoffs.. which doesnt even have to be addressed. WB went down.. Snaq wasnt winning shit if his second best dropped.

I thought you were a smart dude because you usually are but if you're not trolling and flat out serious and trying to argue Durant is better than prime Shaq then WOW!

[DaSeba5]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/shocked-will-smith.gif

[tpols]

I thought you were a smart dude because you usually are but if you're not trolling and flat out serious and trying to argue Durant is better than prime Shaq then WOW!

KD>>>

[sportjames23]

I'm being serious here. I saw prime Shaq play and I'm starting to wonder who is more valuable here. Durant's efficiency from 3 and the free throw line more than make up for the fact that Shaq dominated the paint. Also consider that the league is caters to guard like players.

Who would you take if you had to pick right now?


Dis nikka here...


:biggums:

[Trollsmasher]

What happened? Didnt see that game.. If Durant missed some clutch shots in one regular season game it doesnt take away what hes done in the clutch over and over now for years doe.

Durant can put games on ice and take over 4th quarters.. Shaq had to be hidden and cost his team offensive efficiency with his bricks from the line when they needed pts most.

Part of why he needed frobe who was the leading fourth Q playoff scorer for the whole 3peat.. if KD had a Kobe level talent hed be 3peating too.
Nah, Durant is a career sub 40% clutch shooter from the field and his FT% takes a big drop in clutch time too. He also has a history of choking in the playoffs

You can't really trust the guy to win the game

[RoseCity07]

Nah, Durant is a career sub 40% clutch shooter from the field and his FT% takes a big drop in clutch time too. He also has a history of choking in the playoffs

You can't really trust the guy to win the game

I'm rooting for Lebron to win MVP but come on now...

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b8/b2/43/b8b243ad704038d7952d076b22393185.jpg

[DMAVS41]

It's Shaq...although if we are talking about current Durant...it's closer than people think.

But it's still Shaq

[Jameerthefear]

Wow. People are falling for this obvious troll thread?

[RoseCity07]

Wow. People are falling for this obvious troll thread?

Not a troll thread. I've been thinking about posting this thread for a week now. Jameer, seriously, are you a retard or something, like did you ride the small bus with the wheel chair mod?

[NumberSix]

Not a troll thread. I've been thinking about posting this thread for a week now. Jameer, seriously, are you a retard or something, like did you ride the small bus with the wheel chair mod?
Short bus with flat tires.

[reppy]

I go with Shaq 11 times out of 10.

Shaq would put your entire front line in foul trouble. You're pretty much in the penalty the entire game because of him.

Teams out West were stock piling 7 footers to throw at Shaq.

Durant is great, but Shaq was just plain scary for several years. I'm also ignoring the impact he made defensively just by having his big body down in the middle.

[noob cake]

You forgot Shaq was a liability in close games with hack a shaq while Durant is infinitely more valuable in the clutch.

Game won't be close with Shaq in game

[Jameerthefear]

Not a troll thread. I've been thinking about posting this thread for a week now. Jameer, seriously, are you a retard or something, like did you ride the small bus with the wheel chair mod?
yeah ok u r retarded and ur posts aren't worth reading.

[Connor B]

Not a troll thread. I've been thinking about posting this thread for a week now. Jameer, seriously, are you a retard or something, like did you ride the small bus with the wheel chair mod?

I believe you aren't trolling. That being said, you wouldn't take prime Shaq, 35/15 threat every single game, over Durant? Especially in this league where your best center is Dwight Howard? Shaq would destroy most teams. Durant is unbelievable but Shaq in his prime was a physical anomally...you don't pass one of five best centers of all time in his prime up. There are other good shooters who can make up for Durant not being there.

[RoseCity07]

I believe you aren't trolling. That being said, you wouldn't take prime Shaq, 35/15 threat every single game, over Durant? Especially in this league where your best center is Dwight Howard? Shaq would destroy most teams. Durant is unbelievable but Shaq in his prime was a physical anomally...you don't pass one of five best centers of all time in his prime up. There are other good shooters who can make up for Durant not being there.

That's my point. Look at what a joke Dwight is today. The league has gotten softer by the year. In the playoffs Durant can give you 50 and get to the free throw line. I'm not discounting Shaq but I think I'm taking Durant right now.

Key phrase: right now.

We have yet to see what Durant does this year. It's ramping up to be a legendary playoff for Durant.

[Cold soul]

Shaq and it's not even close. This must be a troll thread. Durant not even close to being on same planet as peak Shaq.

[gin17]

i was trying to find the white text, but it seems like you're seriously considering this question...

[NumberSix]

Deuxrant's value = monopoly money

[Ancient Legend]

Peak Shaq would probably be taken #1 in the Draft, even over MJ just because he would make his team a contender faster.

[knicksman]

I think so..I can see Durant surpassing MJ and MJ>>>>shaq so yearh youre right OP

[sportjames23]

I think so..I can see Durant surpassing MJ and MJ>>>>shaq so yearh youre right OP


:biggums:

[JohnFreeman]

I think so..I can see Durant surpassing MJ and MJ>>>>shaq so yearh youre right OP
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2013/05/Gagging.gif

[Andrei89]

Shaq was the ultimate beast.

His peak was one of the highest ever seen in the NBA.

I would take prime Shaq over anybody not named Michael Jordan.

[knicksman]

Usually the greatest scorers end up as the GOATS. Its the hardest skill to learn that even the great LeBron james couldn't be elite at it. :lol So if youre the best at the hardest then that means youre the best. And I see Durant as a better scorer than Jordan that's why he predicted Durant to sneak through the backdoor.

[JohnFreeman]

Usually the greatest scorers end up as the GOATS. Its the hardest skill to learn that even the great LeBron james couldn't be elite at it. :lol So if youre the best at the hardest then that means youre the best. And I see Durant as a better scorer than Jordan that's why he predicted Durant to sneak through the backdoor.
:biggums:

[Bandito]

Durant get hid on role players on defense.
get hid
get hid
get hid
get hid
get hid






:facepalm

[knicksman]

:biggums:


I know brah..I know sheeps needs rings to know who the best player is just how you guys judge players through stats. While we genius through eye test.

[JohnFreeman]

I know brah..I know sheeps needs rings to know who the best player is just how you guys judge players through stats. While we genius through eye test.
In English?

[knicksman]

In English?

u dumb??:biggums:

[IGOTGAME]

A lot of NBA teams, like my Blazers, are living off the concept that you don't need to be efficient as long as you make 3's. The two point shot at 60% isn't as valuable as a lower efficiency from 3.
Big difference between good and great. You aren't winning titles that way.

[sportjames23]

Usually the greatest scorers end up as the GOATS. Its the hardest skill to learn that even the great LeBron james couldn't be elite at it. :lol So if youre the best at the hardest then that means youre the best. And I see Durant as a better scorer than Jordan that's why he predicted Durant to sneak through the backdoor.


:biggums:

[knicksman]

:biggums:


johnfreeman's alt:biggums:

[Mr Exlax]

I have been on the internet for a while now. Seen some of the most bizzare things. Read some very very very......outside the box posts. I gotta give it to you OP. This is hands down without a doubt the dumbest fukcing thing I've ever read. Good ass job. :rockon:

[sportjames23]

johnfreeman's alt:biggums:


Feb 2011 :facepalm

[scotty00007]

One month peak play from Durant and Kobe and Durant stan's have become not only obnoxious but obscene.

For Christ's sake stop now, lebron was the first NBA player in the social networking and media era, Durant is the second. Much more of this and Durant will become no longer the loved underrated underdog, he will be seen as obnoxious as these stan's.

Please let him three peat or win two or three MVP, before you start "taking" him over prime shaq or thinking he could pass mj.

Trolling or not it's absolutely ridiculous and you will all look like fools if he is not a winner.

That's the other thing, remember what people said about lebron after they gave him 7/8 years to win... Durant could enter that territory.

[Mr Exlax]

One month peak play from Durant and Kobe and Durant stan's have become not only obnoxious but obscene.

For Christ's sake stop now, lebron was the first NBA player in the social networking and media era, Durant is the second. Much more of this and Durant will become no longer the loved underrated underdog, he will be seen as obnoxious as these stan's.

Please let him three peat or win two or three MVP, before you start "taking" him over prime shaq or thinking he could pass mj.

Trolling or not it's absolutely ridiculous and you will all look like fools if he is not a winner.

That's the other thing, remember what people said about lebron after they gave him 7/8 years to win... Durant could enter that territory.


While I agree with your comment, I couldn't help but notice the Join Date and the few amount of posts. Makes me think you have an alt that you use troll. Am I close?

[scotty00007]

While I agree with your comment, I couldn't help but notice the Join Date and the few amount of posts. Makes me think you have an alt that you use troll. Am I close?

Sorry man not even close.
I hate trolling and like respectable arguments and opinions. Serious basketball talk.

I joined long ago and always lurked never bothering to post as I'm usually on my phone so typing ain't fun.

But as time has moved on I find it almost impossible to post anyway as posters like Pegasus, 9er, Sikk, knicksman, joyner... they shit out so much rubbish and trolling What's the point in even offering an insightful opinion.

So I'll just keep lurking for a laugh

[SHAQisGOAT]

:biggums:

Ban pls

[SpecialQue]

I'm being serious here. I saw prime Shaq play and I'm starting to wonder who is more valuable here. Durant's efficiency from 3 and the free throw line more than make up for the fact that Shaq dominated the paint. Also consider that the league is caters to guard like players.

Who would you take if you had to pick right now?

This is the era we're living in now, folks. Enjoy.

[oarabbus]

u dumb??:biggums:


:facepalm Stop being an idiot

[Mr Exlax]

Sorry man not even close.
I hate trolling and like respectable arguments and opinions. Serious basketball talk.

I joined long ago and always lurked never bothering to post as I'm usually on my phone so typing ain't fun.

But as time has moved on I find it almost impossible to post anyway as posters like Pegasus, 9er, Sikk, knicksman, joyner... they shit out so much rubbish and trolling What's the point in even offering an insightful opinion.

So I'll just keep lurking for a laugh

:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

Sorry man not even close.
I hate trolling and like respectable arguments and opinions. Serious basketball talk.

I joined long ago and always lurked never bothering to post as I'm usually on my phone so typing ain't fun.

But as time has moved on I find it almost impossible to post anyway as posters like Pegasus, 9er, Sikk, knicksman, joyner... they shit out so much rubbish and trolling What's the point in even offering an insightful opinion.

So I'll just keep lurking for a laugh
Damn. I like you.

[Manila]

No

[fragokota]

No

[j3lademaster]

Prime Shaq had the most impact on the league of any player I've ever seen. I remember contenders signing scrubs as long as they were 6'8 270+ just to hack Shaq and absorb fouls. Rules were changed for him for christ sake.

That being said, I don't think the question is too laughable. Shaq needed a Wade or Kobe to close tight playoff games, something Durant can prove he doesn't need.

[Clyde]

oh you kids and your funny thread topics.

[DonDadda59]

Prime Shaq had the most impact on the league of any player I've ever seen. I remember contenders signing scrubs as long as they were 6'8 270+ just to hack Shaq and absorb fouls. Rules were changed for him for christ sake.

That being said, I don't think the question is too laughable. Shaq needed a Wade or Kobe to close tight playoff games, something Durant can prove he doesn't need.

That's how you can tell who watched the games and who's just pretending they did.

I distinctly remember the top west teams using their late picks in the draft to get guys who were nothing but 6 fouls for their hack-a-shaq strategy. They didn't care if the guys could even dribble a basketball. Only had to be tall enough to play C. Dude terrorized the league to the point that teams were handing out relatively lucrative contracts to scrubs who would've never seen an NBA court up close... just so they had their 6 fouls.

But we're supposed to take this thread seriously? :biggums:

Only a handful of players Historically have caused seismic shifts in how the game is played/officiated and opposing team strategies. Shaq is one of them. Durant, a special player no doubt, is most clearly not.

[Black and White]

What is this shit??? LOL!!!!!

[NumberSix]

What is this shit??? LOL!!!!!

I don't believe you.

[oarabbus]

That's how you can tell who watched the games and who's just pretending they did.

I distinctly remember the top west teams using their late picks in the draft to get guys who were nothing but 6 fouls for their hack-a-shaq strategy. They didn't care if the guys could even dribble a basketball. Only had to be tall enough to play C. Dude terrorized the league to the point that teams were handing out relatively lucrative contracts to scrubs who would've never seen an NBA court up close... just so they had their 6 fouls.

But we're supposed to take this thread seriously? :biggums:

Only a handful of players Historically have caused seismic shifts in how the game is played/officiated and opposing team strategies. Shaq is one of them. Durant, a special player no doubt, is most clearly not.


Well they stopped calling the rip through a shooting foul because of him :D

[ihoopallday]

I'd draft prime Shaq over any player in NBA history. It just wasn't fair how dominate this guy was.

[HomieWeMajor]

NSFW : https://vine.co/v/bVPYhPEAdZT

[NumberSix]

NSFW : https://vine.co/v/bVPYhPEAdZT
***** + dick could only = ****.

[MavsSuperFan]

at his peak shaq>>>>>>>> peak lebron

its a joke to compare him with durant. I am a durant stan

[MavsSuperFan]

KDs value = happy meal

LeBron's value = entire value menu half price
Shaq's value = A meal at per se for free

[oarabbus]

I'd draft prime Shaq over any player in NBA history. It just wasn't fair how dominate this guy was.

Dominant*

[jstern]

Troll thread???

It's interesting to see human nature in action here. Like most who argue for KD have a KD avatar, or are big Kobe fans. That is so interesting and shows how bias humans are.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Troll thread???

It's interesting to see human nature in action here. Like most who argue for KD have a KD avatar, or are big Kobe fans. That is so interesting and shows how bias humans are.

Or that most Lebron fans have Lebron avatars and are big Kobe/Laker haters. That is so interesting and shows how bias humans are.

[jstern]

Or that most Lebron fans have Lebron avatars and are big Kobe/Laker haters. That is so interesting and shows how bias humans are.

Am I saying otherwise? Noticed I said human which would include Lebron stans. Lebron just doesn't apply to this particular thread.

[IMObjective]

OP, you can't just be looking at skills when comparing those 2 players. You said you saw prime Shaq play, don't you remember the impact he had on the league? Durant does not inspire fear in his opponents the way Shaq did. It was kind of unfair when Shaq played, there was just no physical way to stop the guy from putting the ball through the hoop. The difficulty that refs had differentiating between a defensive and offensive foul was historic. A true superman. Kind of disrespectful of Dwight to take the same nickname, honestly.

And Shaq had some serious skills too. GOAT aesthetic dunker for me, more than Jordan, VC, Dr J, Dominique, Kobe, Lebron, etc. The way it seemed like he barely moved, the quick snap of the ball through the hoop, so effortless. His dunks were as unstoppable as Kareem's sky hook.