Why did everything start?

[Ass Dan]

I understand the big bang and all of that, but how did all the galaxies come into play, how did everything become what it is today, and why and what caused it (I guess this is more the why)? What was before the big bang, and what started that reality?

Again this is not a human-centric question, we are a mere spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm, my question is how did everything, all the galaxies come to be. I know the big bang is the mechanism for what we see now, but what fostered that, what went on before, what are the outer limits (or is everything on a perpetual ellipsoid, and if it is on an ellipsoid what is outside of that?).

Why does anything exist really?

I am somewhat brain-boggled.

[L.Kizzle]

Jupiter

[IamRAMBO24]

I understand the big bang and all of that, but how did all the galaxies come into play, how did everything become what it is today, and why and what caused it (I guess this is more the why)? What was before the big bang, and what started that reality?

Again this is not a human-centric question, we are a mere spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm, my question is how did everything, all the galaxies come to be. I know the big bang is the mechanism for what we see now, but what fostered that, what went on before, what are the outer limits (or is everything on a perpetual ellipsoid, and if it is on an ellipsoid what is outside of that?).

Why does anything exist really?

I am somewhat brain-boggled.

Kant devised 2 reasoning on time:

1. If the universe had a beginning, then there would be an infinite set of beginnings before it.

2. If it had no beginning, it would be infinite in and of itself.

The big bang theory is just nothing more than a narrow view of the universe; I'm pretty sure once they figure out the science of it, they'll start questioning what lead to it .. then what lead to that .. and so on and so forth.

Kant is right; Stephen Hawking is nothing more than a handicap who can't see the bigger picture.

[RoseCity07]

Since time didn't exist before the big bang, nothing existed. No one really knows what happened before that point. I think all we know is that the universe is expanding so there had to be a start (big bang). No one really knows. My theory is that our minds are might not be capable of understanding. The great thing about science is that it will always search for that answer.

When I say incapable, I mean like how a animal doesn't understand how a computer works but can still see it work. It has no f*cking idea how the software works or about atomic particles and electricity.

[JohnFreeman]

They have a picture of the beginning of the universe..can't find it doe

[dr.hee]

I understand the big bang and all of that, but how did all the galaxies come into play, how did everything become what it is today, and why and what caused it (I guess this is more the why)? What was before the big bang, and what started that reality?

Again this is not a human-centric question, we are a mere spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm, my question is how did everything, all the galaxies come to be. I know the big bang is the mechanism for what we see now, but what fostered that, what went on before, what are the outer limits (or is everything on a perpetual ellipsoid, and if it is on an ellipsoid what is outside of that?).

Why does anything exist really?

I am somewhat brain-boggled.

Basically nobody knows. The Big Bang explains what we're seeing today, but we have no clue about the moment before everything started to expand. So the best explanation is probably

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9hqiuFSbj1qzdk4i.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

Dr Hee,

You are my biggest troll and yet you won't ever engage me in a full on intellectual debate. This proves 2 things:

1. I am bothering you in some sort of way: the theories I set forth is too hard for your elementary mind to comprehend.

2. You are simply too stupid to fight back from an intellectual standpoint, hence why you are trolling to reaffirm your belief system.

Take me on homeboy; that's all I ask. Pound for pound, you won't win. As is, copping out and trolling is nothing more than a desperate attempt at making your beliefs relevant.

[Patrick Chewing]

Clearly due to evolution and global warming.

[DonDadda59]

My theory is that our minds are might not be capable of understanding. The great thing about science is that it will always search for that answer.

When I say incapable, I mean like how a animal doesn't understand how a computer works but can still see it work. It has no f*cking idea how the software works or about atomic particles and electricity.

What makes you say that? Just because humans don't have the full picture now doesn't mean we won't eventually. Scientists just proved the standard model is correct after proving the existence of the until recently hypothetical 'god particle'. It was just announced that they are building an even more powerful collider that will give more insight into subatomic particle structure, function, etc.

We now have a clearer picture of the big bang, particle physics, etc. It's no longer just theoretical. It's not like the scientists working on solving these puzzles are dogs looking at computers... they built the colliders, satellites, etc.

And there are plenty of people studying what happened before the big bang. The BBC had a great documentary about M theory/parallel universes. Here's a snippet (The whole thing is online somewhere, don't feel like looking for it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQvu4NygAc

[dr.hee]

Clearly due to evolution and global warming.

Agree. Also...

http://anongallery.org/img/5536/tide-goes-in-tide-goes-out-aliens.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

http://r.ddmcdn.com/w_622/u_0/gif/before-the-beginning-07.jpg

[dr.hee]

And there are plenty of people studying what happened before the big bang. The BBC had a great documentary about M theory/parallel universes. Here's a snippet (The whole thing is online somewhere, don't feel like looking for it)

While I absolutely admire people who are smart enough to deal with that stuff, it gets a bit murky to me if theoretical physics is stepping into realms where it's getting more and more problematic to empirically test a hypothesis. I know there have been some suggestions of clues pointing towards the existence of other universes based on some anomalies (that's how the word is pronounced btw...looking at you, Rambo!) in the cosmic microwave background, but it's kinda shaky as far as I've read.

[JohnFreeman]

Watch some Vsauce bro

[IamRAMBO24]

While I absolutely admire people who are smart enough to deal with that stuff, it gets a bit murky to me if theoretical physics is stepping into realms where it's getting more and more problematic to empirically test a hypothesis. I know there have been some suggestions of clues pointing towards the existence of other universes based on some anomalies (that's how the word is pronounced btw...looking at you, Rambo!) in the cosmic microwave background, but it's kinda shaky as far as I've read.

:applause: :rockon:

You're improving Hee; keep making posts like these, so you won't sound so f*ckin stupid, thanks.

[dr.hee]

:applause: :rockon:

You're improving Hee; keep making posts like these, so you won't sound so f*ckin stupid, thanks.

You're welcome. Did you learn how to spell "anomaly" by now? Might be useful the next time you're telling us crispy cream donuts are actually alien spacecraft. Or are you busy right now being alpha by playing on your PS4?
:cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

"Time" has no place in matters of the universe. Time is a fabrication of man to distinguish things and attempt to understand things and give things meaning and purpose.

There is no before or after in the universe. There is just what we consider to be the "present" moving in cycles (circular) in repeating formation.

[DonDadda59]

While I absolutely admire people who are smart enough to deal with that stuff, it gets a bit murky to me if theoretical physics is stepping into realms where it's getting more and more problematic to empirically test a hypothesis. I know there have been some suggestions of clues pointing towards the existence of other universes based on some anomalies (that's how the word is pronounced btw...looking at you, Rambo!) in the cosmic microwave background, but it's kinda shaky as far as I've read.

Not too well versed on string theory but as far as I know the discovery of the higgs can bolster the case for it since its model contains the particle. Our friend Stephen Hawkins mentioned that it may be possible to test the supersymmetry theory with the hadron collider but the newer model with higher energy tests may be better suited.

[JohnFreeman]

God made everything
/thread

lolololololololololololololol

[Jello]

read hume.

[magic chiongson]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Answer_to_Life.png/220px-Answer_to_Life.png

[fiddy]

Why is never the right question, you should ask "what made everything start"

[JohnFreeman]

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/morgan-freeman-god.jpg

[pauk]

http://thebulanadiblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/god_of_the_universe_1557653339-1680x0.jpg

[oarabbus]

Kant devised 2 reasoning on time:

1. If the universe had a beginning, then there would be an infinite set of beginnings before it.

2. If it had no beginning, it would be infinite in and of itself.

The big bang theory is just nothing more than a narrow view of the universe; I'm pretty sure once they figure out the science of it, they'll start questioning what lead to it .. then what lead to that .. and so on and so forth.

Kant is right; Stephen Hawking is nothing more than a handicap who can't see the bigger picture.

Cool eurocentrism brah but "Turtles all the way down". These two reasonings are actually explicitly stated and contemplated in Hindu mythology, for one. I'm sure that's not the only ancient mythology/religion to do so and surely there are other philosophers who have stated something similar and predate Kant.


Anyway OP watch this video (the guy can be strange to some people but stick with it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q and while no one knows the answer to your question, this video does make you think about the universe in a very unique way.

[Ass Dan]

"Time" has no place in matters of the universe. Time is a fabrication of man to distinguish things and attempt to understand things and give things meaning and purpose.

There is no before or after in the universe. There is just what we consider to be the "present" moving in cycles (circular) in repeating formation.

I understand where you are going with this but if not 'time' then we need another metric for the extension of existence post big bang.

While time is a human metric, it is an undeniable entity in any discussion regardless of how it is appropriated.

There had to be a day one, there had to be something before.

Perhaps searching for these answers is part of the human condition, perhaps we are ill equipped as bit players in this (our entire 7 billion being a spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm) to fully comprehend because our vantage point is skewed.

what is going on outside the dust storm, what is the reason for setting it off, what lead to that and why?

[RoseCity07]

What makes you say that? Just because humans don't have the full picture now doesn't mean we won't eventually. Scientists just proved the standard model is correct after proving the existence of the until recently hypothetical 'god particle'. It was just announced that they are building an even more powerful collider that will give more insight into subatomic particle structure, function, etc.

We now have a clearer picture of the big bang, particle physics, etc. It's no longer just theoretical. It's not like the scientists working on solving these puzzles are dogs looking at computers... they built the colliders, satellites, etc.

And there are plenty of people studying what happened before the big bang. The BBC had a great documentary about M theory/parallel universes. Here's a snippet (The whole thing is online somewhere, don't feel like looking for it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQvu4NygAc

Just for clarification I'm not saying we think like dogs. We are obviously better thinkers. We have language and writing which is a great tool for developing ideas. I'm saying that it's possible that the answer might not ever be found. Whatever happened before the big bang seems to outside of anything we experience. I hope someone does figure it all out but I don't know how that will happen.

I guess I don't know enough about physics and what these experiments are trying to answer. Science is the key to finding the answers though.

[step_back]

God made everything
/thread

lolololololololololololololol

Reminded me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqSas2uFKw

[MightyWhitey]

I understand the big bang and all of that, but how did all the galaxies come into play, how did everything become what it is today, and why and what caused it (I guess this is more the why)? What was before the big bang, and what started that reality?

Again this is not a human-centric question, we are a mere spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm, my question is how did everything, all the galaxies come to be. I know the big bang is the mechanism for what we see now, but what fostered that, what went on before, what are the outer limits (or is everything on a perpetual ellipsoid, and if it is on an ellipsoid what is outside of that?).

Why does anything exist really?

I am somewhat brain-boggled.
Why do people say stuff like this??? First off on this planet Earth we are the only intelligent life able to create substantial technologies that make space travel possible. Stretch that out to the rest of the galaxy. We're no "mere spec". On the evolutionary scale of things we are king dingaling. I won't speculate on life that may or may not exist in the universe and you shouldn't either by insinuating we are "a mere spec". That insults the great minds on this planet that helped our thinking move along and evolve to what it is today.

[eriX]

heres another question

if one day we find out the beginning of the universe and eventually find a way to duplicate such beginnings, do we not become god?

maybe thats how we are made :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

what is the reason for setting it off, what lead to that and why?

Your initial mistake is the assumption that there is a reason and answer to 'why?'. That's where people fill in Jehovah/Allah/Yahweh, Vishnu, Zeus, etc.

Whats the reason or purpose of a baby contracting inoperable malignant cancer? Just something that happens. Life/existence/etc could be the same.



Just for clarification I'm not saying we think like dogs. We are obviously better thinkers. We have language and writing which is a great tool for developing ideas. I'm saying that it's possible that the answer might not ever be found. Whatever happened before the big bang seems to outside of anything we experience. I hope someone does figure it all out but I don't know how that will happen.

I guess I don't know enough about physics and what these experiments are trying to answer. Science is the key to finding the answers though.

I understood what you were getting at with your analogy, I just think it's incredibly short sighted, especially given the advancements and discoveries we've made in the last 2 years or so. The standard model of physics is no longer just theoretical, the final piece of the puzzle, the 'god particle' was proven to exist and that opens up a new field of study in physics.

Just because we can't answer certain questions at this very moment does not mean we won't. At the pace it's moving, we might have these answers within our lifetimes.

There's always been a philosophical battle between those who want to question and explore and those who say things are impossible and just want to bury their heads in the sand. If societies follow the latter, they remain woefully behind in human mental evolution. Reminds me of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV1xOpE1svk

[Dresta]

What makes you say that? Just because humans don't have the full picture now doesn't mean we won't eventually. Scientists just proved the standard model is correct after proving the existence of the until recently hypothetical 'god particle'. It was just announced that they are building an even more powerful collider that will give more insight into subatomic particle structure, function, etc.

We now have a clearer picture of the big bang, particle physics, etc. It's no longer just theoretical. It's not like the scientists working on solving these puzzles are dogs looking at computers... they built the colliders, satellites, etc.

And there are plenty of people studying what happened before the big bang. The BBC had a great documentary about M theory/parallel universes. Here's a snippet (The whole thing is online somewhere, don't feel like looking for it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crQvu4NygAcNot quite: there are some physicists who think quarks are divisible, and then that even what makes up quarks may be divisible, prompting the theory that particles may actually be infinitely divisible. This is something our minds can't really comprehend.

[Jailblazers7]

Not quite: there are some physicists who think quarks are divisible, and then that even what makes up quarks may be divisible, prompting the theory that particles may actually be infinitely divisible. This is something our minds can't really comprehend.

****, physics is some trippy shit. Stuff like that blows my mind.

As for the OP, I think people waste too much time on the "why" question. I think that line of thought usually just ends up in some BS answer because there will never be an overarching reason why things exist. I have found that I am much more appreciative of the things and people around me since I started viewing my own (and all of our) existence more as a cosmic accident than a gift from "god."

[Dresta]

Yer, i think the great minds of humanity have been pretty unified in considering themselves 'mere specs' :lol

[ace23]

OP is 9.

[Nick Young]

http://m.memegen.com/efgb8n.jpg

[Nick Young]

:roll: You think humanity is relevant to anything. We suck, we'll be forgotten, and we'll all die.
What if all the other aliens are jealous of our swag and thats why they always coming to check us out, and also too afraid to come say hello doe?

What if we just underestimating ourselves and all the other alien species have concluded we are the master race? What if we really are the greatest species in the universe? What then my ninja?

[ace23]

This is something our minds can't really comprehend.
Whose minds?

[Dresta]

Whose minds?
The human mind. The concept is completely paradoxical to it.

[ace23]

The human mind. The concept is completely paradoxical to it.
Explain. I'm understanding it pretty well.

[oarabbus]

Not quite: there are some physicists who think quarks are divisible, and then that even what makes up quarks may be divisible, prompting the theory that particles may actually be infinitely divisible. This is something our minds can't really comprehend.


Unless you are speaking of string theory, the general consensus is that "quarks and leptons are the ultimate constituents of matter".

I certainly have not heard any credible physicist claim infinite divisibility. There is no convincing argument that anything can be smaller than the Planck length, so we have a limit after which "divisibility" becomes utterly meaningless. Even in string theory, the Planck length is the ultimate minimum. Not that our brains cannot comprehend it, but physically divisibility is meaningless at or below the Planck length.

[Dresta]

Recent evidence from particle collision experiments is believed to suggest that quarks and electrons do have internal structure and are not in fact elementary [6]. Clearly no particles can be absolutely structureless and dimensionless, though they may well be smaller than can currently be measured. As Bohm points out, between the shortest distance now measurable in physics (10-16 cm) and the shortest distance in which current notions of spacetime are believed to have meaning (10-33 cm), there is a vast range of scale in which an immense amount of yet undiscovered structure could be contained. This range is roughly equal to that which exists between our own size and the known 'elementary' particles [7]. 10-33 cm is called the Planck length, and physicists believe that on this scale the fabric of space becomes an effervescing froth of spacetime bubbles. But while this may be the smallest distance that has any meaning for us, there is no reason to assume that the concept of space has absolutely no meaning beyond it. As Bohm says, the Planck length is only a limit on the applicability of our ordinary notions of space and time, and it is quite arbitrary to suppose that there is nothing beyond this limit at all [8]. Instead of bringing us to a 'rock bottom' level of reality, 10-33 cm may merely bring us to the bottom level of our own physical world.

meaningless to us does not = meaningless. And i think that was actually my point.


Explain. I'm understanding it pretty well.
It's got nothing to do with 'understanding' the human mind is simply incapable of comprehending something that is not finite. You can understand the theory without being able to literally comprehend the reality.

[MadeFromDust]

Intelligent Design

[oarabbus]

meaningless to us does not = meaningless. And i think that was actually my point.


It's got nothing to do with 'understanding' the human mind is simply incapable of comprehending something that is not finite. You can understand the theory without being able to literally comprehend the reality.

No; the concept of divisibility is meaningless at below the planck length.


Recent evidence from particle collision experiments is believed to suggest that quarks and electrons do have internal structure and are not in fact elementary [6]. Clearly no particles can be absolutely structureless and dimensionless, though they may well be smaller than can currently be measured. As Bohm points out, between the shortest distance now measurable in physics (10-16 cm) and the shortest distance in which current notions of spacetime are believed to have meaning (10-33 cm), there is a vast range of scale in which an immense amount of yet undiscovered structure could be contained. This range is roughly equal to that which exists between our own size and the known 'elementary' particles [7]. 10-33 cm is called the Planck length, and physicists believe that on this scale the fabric of space becomes an effervescing froth of spacetime bubbles. But while this may be the smallest distance that has any meaning for us, there is no reason to assume that the concept of space has absolutely no meaning beyond it. As Bohm says, the Planck length is only a limit on the applicability of our ordinary notions of space and time, and it is quite arbitrary to suppose that there is nothing beyond this limit at all [8]. Instead of bringing us to a 'rock bottom' level of reality, 10-33 cm may merely bring us to the bottom level of our own physical world.

That is the writer's assertion about Bohm's work, and Bohm was known for saying outlandish things sometimes. Also, the Planck length being the smallest meaningful measure of distance does not preclude other "layers" of reality, even if what Bohm is saying is true. This is what M-theory and Yang-Mills theory and other forms of string theory are based on. The general consensus remains that it is the ultimate length limit. Bohm made that remark offhandedly; Stephen Hawking speaks of god or a higher power, but what is important is their work, and neither Bohm nor anyone else has found any evidence that the universe can exist beneath the Planck length.


Not quite: there are some physicists who think quarks are divisible, and then that even what makes up quarks may be divisible, prompting the theory that particles may actually be infinitely divisible. This is something our minds can't really comprehend.

From someone's interpretation of a physicist's casual statement, the above does not follow. I'd hope you had another source, particularly original published work by a respected physicist on the matter.



Bohm also died in 1992 and the state of particle/subatomic physics has progressed substantially since then.

[Milbuck]

http://thebulanadiblog2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/god_of_the_universe_1557653339-1680x0.jpg
That's actually a really cool picture.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I understand the big bang and all of that, but how did all the galaxies come into play, how did everything become what it is today, and why and what caused it (I guess this is more the why)? What was before the big bang, and what started that reality?

Again this is not a human-centric question, we are a mere spec of bacteria on a grain of sand in a dust storm, my question is how did everything, all the galaxies come to be. I know the big bang is the mechanism for what we see now, but what fostered that, what went on before, what are the outer limits (or is everything on a perpetual ellipsoid, and if it is on an ellipsoid what is outside of that?).

Why does anything exist really?

I am somewhat brain-boggled.
Do we still don't know why people sleep or why cats purr... no ones ever going to figure out why the universe exists.

[oarabbus]

Do we still don't know why people sleep or why cats purr... no ones ever going to figure out why the universe exists.

Recently there has been evidence that sleep is necessary in order to remove waste from the brain by draining fluid http://www.nih.gov/news/health/oct2013/ninds-17.htm


And I'm pretty sure you can look up why a cat purrs.

I mean yeah, I highly doubt people will ever figure out why the universe exists, but that wasn't a good way to portray it :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31/1397899_635025459874102_1062725459_o.jpg

That little spec of dust is Earth....all the Good, all the Bad that we have done...on a spec of dust...

pretty F'ing cool...


Not sure when it started....but hopefully it last awhile.

[DonDadda59]

That little spec of dust is Earth....all the Good, all the Bad that we have done...on a spec of dust...


That's being way too generous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U

[AI3Anthony]

God.

[Swaggin916]

Just study physics if you really want to know OP... there are so many variants and all anybody cares about in the field is that you can prove your shit and that it's relevant to everyone. There are many people with abstract ideas who say that we trap ourselves in this physical reality when there is really so much more... So much more where? How can you show me what you are talking about? Unless you can prove to me that what you are experiencing is something that I AM experiencing (not can experience)... then it's just your experience.

The whole goal of science is to raise our consciousness collectively... and the only way to do that is come up with stuff that includes everyone. I'm not saying that sixth senses aren't possible and there isn't much more to this universe than we humans and our tools (that are just representations of ourselves) are capable of understanding and experiencing... but we can only do as much our limitations allow.

[ROCSteady]

What if all the other aliens are jealous of our swag and thats why they always coming to check us out, and also too afraid to come say hello doe?

What if we just underestimating ourselves and all the other alien species have concluded we are the master race? What if we really are the greatest species in the universe? What then my ninja?

:applause: this post has me geekin.

Dem nikkas in ID4 tried to take over our shit and place giant vessels and obliterate our major cities.

Little did they know Goldblum had that 90s Mac. Swag, indeed.

I heard they comin back for a sequel. What will we do to show off then?

[Bandito]

Dr Hee,

You are my biggest troll and yet you won't ever engage me in a full on intellectual debate. This proves 2 things:

1. I am bothering you in some sort of way: the theories I set forth is too hard for your elementary mind to comprehend.

2. You are simply too stupid to fight back from an intellectual standpoint, hence why you are trolling to reaffirm your belief system.

Take me on homeboy; that's all I ask. Pound for pound, you won't win. As is, copping out and trolling is nothing more than a desperate attempt at making your beliefs relevant.
Somebody is living rent free in your mind.