Nikola Vucevic or Steven Adams?

[Jameerthefear]

Right now.

[JohnFreeman]

Adams

[Fudge]

If Adams got 32+ MPG, Adams fairly easily.

[Jameerthefear]

Anyone who says Adams has to be mentally handicapped btw.

[Johnny Jones]

Adams. Stay salty Jameer :roll: :applause: :bowdown:

[RightToCensor]

Mr. Double Double Vuvevic

Orlando does a great job at developing Centers. Imagine if Ewing was still with the Magic and could tutor Vuce.

[cos88]

Psychiatrist: hentai or real woman?
Jameerthequeer: hentai

[KendrickPerkins]

If Adams got 32+ MPG, Adams fairly easily.
Agreed. Steven Adams.

[Jameerthefear]

Mr. Double Double Vuvevic

Orlando does a great job at developing Centers. Imagine if Ewing was still with the Magic and could tutor Vuce.
:applause:
Only thing I'd like to see more out of him is more post play and better defense. Vucevic's 30/20 against MIA shits on Adam's whole career.

[Fudge]

Vucevic was out for fcking THREE weeks from a CONCUSSION at one point. :oldlol:

Weak, loser mentality right there. Embarrassing.

[moe94]

Is this a serious question? Adams is overrated as hell if this thread is genuine.

[Jameerthefear]

Is this a serious question? Adams is overrated as hell if this thread is genuine.
He is. Dude averages 3 ppg. Not to mention he plays with the 2nd best player in the NBA so he gets easy looks on putbacks. I made this thread to see if people were stupid enough to pick Adams.

[SHABBA]

Vucevic obviously for now.

[Legends66NBA7]

Not really fair to gauge a rookie to a 3rd year player getting more playing time and starting.

I'd rank that their rookie seasons are pretty neck and neck. Seems that Adams has already gotten to play in every game and more than Vucevic did in his rookie year already. This goes to show better coaching, use and develop your talent around with the better players. Adams seems to be the better defensive player and much more durable, while Vucevic is the better rebounder. Can't really comment on their offensive game too much, but I would trust Vucevic a little bit more from what I've seen.

Eventually, we'll see if Adams can become a solid piece or not in the future. If his development is solid in the off season, he should start over Perkins immediately.

[JohnMax]

I noticed Drummond didn't dominate as easily when Adams was on the court in Allstars game

[Fudge]

I noticed Drummond didn't dominate as easily when Adams was on the court in Allstars game
:applause:

Yup. That's when you know. Vucevic would've gotten fcking destroyed by Dre.

[Uncle Drew]

Agreed. Steven Adams.
:oldlol:

You boss.

[Jameerthefear]

Not really fair to gauge a rookie to a 3rd year player getting more playing time and starting.

I'd rank that their rookie seasons are pretty neck and neck. Seems that Adams has already gotten to play in every game and more than Vucevic did in his rookie year already. This goes to show better coaching, use and develop your talent around with the better players. Adams seems to be the better defensive player and much more durable, while Vucevic is the better rebounder. Can't really comment on their offensive game too much, but I would trust Vucevic a little bit more from what I've seen.

Eventually, we'll see if Adams can become a solid piece or not in the future. If his development is solid in the off season, he should start over Perkins immediately.
But Vucevic is the obvious better player right now though, right? Vucevic shows more potential right now than Adams and he's in his 3rd year. He just needs to be more assertive on the block and play better defensively.

[HylianNightmare]

As much as I think vuc is overrated is much better than adam at this point

[Legends66NBA7]

But Vucevic is the obvious better player right now though, right? Vucevic shows more potential right now than Adams and he's in his 3rd year. He just needs to be more assertive on the block and play better defensively.

Yes, he's better now. Adams has the potential to be better, but so does Vucevic like you said. To be honest, I feel concerned when young players aren't durable early on. I had a similar feeling with Jonas Valanciunas when he missed a month and change with a hand injury last season. I like both players, though. Really wish them the best.

[Jameerthefear]

Yes, he's better now. Adams has the potential to be better, but so does Vucevic like you said. To be honest, I feel concerned when young players aren't durable early on. I had a similar feeling with Jonas Valanciunas when he missed a month and change with a hand injury last season. I like both players, though. Really wish them the best.
Vucci missed that much time because we're tanking.

[Legends66NBA7]

Vucci missed that much time because we're tanking.

I would blame that on bad coaching then. Even if your tanking, you develop the players. What is Jacque Vaughn doing ?

[Jameerthefear]

I would blame that on bad coaching then. Even if your tanking, you develop the players. What is Jacque Vaughn doing ?
I made a thread about that a week or so ago. I think that we're trying to showcase veterans so much that we underdevelop our rookies at times. Earlier this year Andrew Nicholson was playing outstanding and then around December his minutes just dropped off completely for no reason at all. Oladipo starts sometimes and he doesn't start others. Moe Harkless had trouble getting minutes when he came back too. When younger players don't get consistent minutes they tend to hold the ball a lot and take shots they wouldn't have otherwise taken because they want to do something. Then when that happens Vaughn benches them again. It needs to change. Jameer should not be playing 33 MPG at 32 years old.

[Legends66NBA7]

I made a thread about that a week or so ago. I think that we're trying to showcase veterans so much that we underdevelop our rookies at times. Earlier this year Andrew Nicholson was playing outstanding and then around December his minutes just dropped off completely for no reason at all. Oladipo starts sometimes and he doesn't start others. Moe Harkless had trouble getting minutes when he came back too. When younger players don't get consistent minutes they tend to hold the ball a lot and take shots they wouldn't have otherwise taken because they want to do something. Then when that happens Vaughn benches them again. It needs to change. Jameer should not be playing 33 MPG at 32 years old.

Yeah, that's a tank move. But this is how tanks back fire, you don't develop the younger guys that can give you more energy. I can see why, the losing can cause frustration and discouragement to their confidence and like you mentioned, they would tend to get theirs since they are playing for themselves.

Out of all the players I wish Nicholson got more playing time. He's from my city (Mississauga), so he's a big deal for a lot of us around the area into basketball.

[Fudge]

Nicholson > Vucevic

[Le Shaqtus]

Vuc and it's not even close :roll:

[Milbuck]

I think the better question is, why the **** would you make a thread asking the question if you think it's not even worth a discussion?

[r0drig0lac]

Vucevic >> all >>> adams

[Jameerthefear]

Vuc and it's not even close :roll:
:rockon:

[Miller for 3]

Adams plays defense and is a top 6 player on the best team in the league as a rookie in a foreign country where he barely understands the language

Vucci man is a statpadder on one of the worst teams in the league who scores all of his points while his team is down 20-30 points each game. Not to mention he is in his 3rd season and should have great chemistry with his teammates, but he doesn't becuz he plays no defense and ballhogs

Adams, too easy

[Jameerthefear]

Adams plays defense and is a top 6 player on the best team in the league as a rookie in a foreign country where he barely understands the language

Vucci man is a statpadder on one of the worst teams in the league who scores all of his points while his team is down 20-30 points each game. Not to mention he is in his 3rd season and should have great chemistry with his teammates, but he doesn't becuz he plays no defense and ballhogs

Adams, too easy
This is literally top 10 worst post I have ever read. Ever.

[Boarder Patrol]

Why would you ask this question if people who don't answer your way are mentally handicapped? You've become worse than Euroleague.

Vuc now, Adams in the future.

[Jameerthefear]

People who say Adams in the future - What type of potential has Adams shown that makes you say this? Oh right there is none.

[Boarder Patrol]

People who say Adams in the future - What type of potential has Adams shown that makes you say this? Oh right there is none.

Ability to defend.

[Jameerthefear]

Ability to defend.
So that's it? The margin isn't even big either. According to ISH, Adams ability to defend very very very slightly better than Vucevic makes him the better potential player. Got it.

[Fudge]

:facepalm

Remember, Vuc was a complete nobody on the Sixers his rookie year. Remember that, young blood.

And Defense >>>>> Offense.

You didn't know?

[Genaro]

I don't know why the is thread worthy. Obviously Vuc is better right now.
Another bad thread from a bad poster, I see.

[Boarder Patrol]

Vucevic offensive rating: 103
Adams offensive rating: 106

Vuvevic defensive rating: 103
Adams defensive rating: 100

Adams win shares per 48: .122
Vucevic win shares per 48: .106

(Adams: rookie, Vucevic: 3rd year)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[buddha]

Vucevic was out for fcking THREE weeks from a CONCUSSION at one point. :oldlol:

Weak, loser mentality right there. Embarrassing.

it's called tanking, but Steven Adams for sure.

[Jameerthefear]

Vucevic offensive rating: 103
Adams offensive rating: 106

Vuvevic defensive rating: 103
Adams defensive rating: 100

Adams win shares per 48: .122
Vucevic win shares per 48: .106

(Adams: rookie, Vucevic: 3rd year)

:roll: :roll: :roll:
You don't compare two players using defensive rating dumbass. The maker said so himself.
Did you really use offensive rating and win shares to try to prove a point? Holy shit you might just be retarded.

[Milbuck]

Vucevic's ceiling is a poor man's Kostas Koufos. I'll take Adams.

[navy]

Adams honestly looks like he is ready to become a beast. Vuc is only good against Miami.

[Jameerthefear]

Adams honestly looks like he is ready to become a beast. Vuc is only good against Miami.
Based on what? Getting putback layups? Lmao.
"Vucevic is only good against Miami"
You don't watch the Magic.

[salwan]

Adams plays defense and is a top 6 player on the best team in the league as a rookie in a foreign country where he barely understands the language



:biggums: you realize they speak english in New Zealand?

[navy]

Based on what? Getting putback layups? Lmao.
"Vucevic is only good against Miami"
You don't watch the Magic.
Well maybe it's becase he plays on the same team as Kendrick Goatkins:confusedshrug:

[moe94]

:biggums: you realize they speak english in New Zealand?

Sheep isn't English. :facepalm

[Boarder Patrol]

You don't compare two players using defensive rating dumbass. The maker said so himself.
Did you really use offensive rating and win shares to try to prove a point? Holy shit you might just be retarded.

The one with 14K+ posts on a forum is the one with issues not me. Stats be damned, Adams in his rookie year is a better defender than Vuc has ever been, and defense is twice as important as offense from a center.

[Jameerthefear]

The one with 14K+ posts on a forum is the one with issues not me. Stats be damned, Adams in his rookie year is a better defender than Vuc has ever been, and defense is twice as important as offense from a center.
Stop posting. Better defense based on what?

[moe94]

Adams' supposed potential is more overrated than Giannis and Jonas combined.

[Fudge]

So, i'm pretty sure most of the posters that replied has said Adams. :applause:

Pat yourselves on the back, smart ones.

[Boarder Patrol]

Stop posting. Better defense based on what?

You've already said you won't listen to statistics.

[dunksby]

So that's it? The margin isn't even big either. According to ISH, Adams ability to defend very very very slightly better than Vucevic makes him the better potential player. Got it.
Why did you post this thread? You think Vuc is not even comparable to Adams skills wise, so what are you trying to achieve? I think LBJ shits on Evan Turner and one should not even compare them, so naturally I have to post a thread asking people whom they would pick. I also expect people to respect my high intelligence and all agree with me.

[salwan]

Sheep isn't English. :facepalm

coming from a guy in Toronto? you should be ashamed of yourself, Sir:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

You've already said you won't listen to statistics.
Alright you're beyond help. Only place you belong is my IL :applause:

[Fudge]

Why did you post this thread? You think Vuc is not even comparable to Adams skills wise, so what are you trying to achieve? I think LBJ shits on Evan Turner and one should not even compare them, so naturally I have to post a thread asking people whom they would pick. I also expect people to respect my high intelligence and all agree with me.
To try and prove me wrong by looking at the opinions of others. :oldlol:

[Boarder Patrol]

Alright you're beyond help. Only place you belong is my IL :applause:

Opponent's PER when they're guarded by Vucevic: 19.8.

when they're guarded by Adams: 16.5.

[dunksby]

To try and prove me wrong by looking at the opinions of others. :oldlol:
Adams>Vuc

[Boarder Patrol]

Just refusal to admit his troll thread backfired when it's almost unanimously agreed that Adams is better than Vuc. :roll:

Again, I'd take Vuc right now (well, if I need defense, maybe not...), Adams 100% for the future.

[Boarder Patrol]

Adams>Vuc

This.

[Jameerthefear]

Alright. Any other posters I have to own?

[Fudge]

Adams>Vuc
:applause:

[Jameerthefear]

Alright then. Unanimously decided by smart posters (people not on my ignore list) that Vucevic>>>>Adams. :applause: :rockon: :rockon: :applause: Good shit. Good to see a Magic player getting so much respect.

[moe94]

coming from a guy in Toronto? you should be ashamed of yourself, Sir:roll:

It was a joke. :biggums:

Canada > NZ and that isn't even up for debate. If Canada is the US's irrelevant brother, New Zealand is Australia's retarded pet that should have been put down years ago. Even their flag is derivative.

[Fudge]

Alright then. Unanimously decided by smart posters (people not on my ignore list) that Vucevic>>>>Adams. :applause: :rockon: :rockon: :applause: Good shit. Good to see a Magic player getting so much respect.
You gave up, bro.

0/10

[Miller for 3]

Alright then. Unanimously decided by smart posters (people not on my ignore list) that Vucevic>>>>Adams. :applause: :rockon: :rockon: :applause: Good shit. Good to see a Magic player getting so much respect.

:eek:

Epic meltdown incoming. The ignoring facts and stats was a warning sign, but now the delusion is setting in. Soon his alt accounts will flood this thread agreeing with him. This is how it always starts. RIP Jameerthefear, you are headed down the pauk/Euroleague road.

[Boarder Patrol]

Alright. Any other posters I have to own?

You didn't disprove a single one of my arguments :confusedshrug:

:biggums: at thinking you owned me. I proved Adams is the better defender.

Adams > Vuc. Thread backfire.

[RightToCensor]

Congrats Vuce.:applause:

Better luck next year OKC Fans.... wait that sounds familiar.




































http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3851938/kevin-durant-crying-o.gif

[Milbuck]

:roll: Jameer's sinking lower and lower every day, taking punches left and right. Meltdown is coming sooner than expected.

[Boarder Patrol]

:eek:

Epic meltdown incoming. The ignoring facts and stats was a warning sign, but now the delusion is setting in. Soon his alt accounts will flood this thread agreeing with him. This is how it always starts. RIP Jameerthefear, you are headed down the pauk/Euroleague road.

He's already as bad as Euroleague. Do you see him already shouting "IGNORE LIST" just like Euro? :oldlol:

He's headed down a bad, bad path.

[moe94]

Ganging up on one user isn't a meltdown.

[Le Shaqtus]

Bunch of morons in here :lol

Only thing Adams is better at is getting elbowed in the face.

[Jameerthefear]

Congrats Vuce.:applause:

Better luck next year OKC Fans.... wait that sounds familiar.




































http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3851938/kevin-durant-crying-o.gif
DAMN. :roll:

[Boarder Patrol]

Jameer just backing other posters after all his arguments have been thoroughly rebuked :lol

[Jameerthefear]

Wait wait wait. I thought OKC wasn't stacked though? I though Durant does it all himself. I thought Lebron was the one with the super stacked team.

[Milbuck]

Wait wait wait. I thought OKC wasn't stacked though? I though Durant does it all himself. I thought Lebron was the one with the super stacked team.
Only an insecure Lebron stan would start leaping to that gif and starting a KD-Bron debate to avoid the argument at hand.

[Jameerthefear]

Bunch of morons in here :lol

Only thing Adams is better at is getting elbowed in the face.
Real shit. :applause:

[Fudge]

Ganging up on one user isn't a meltdown.
Babysteps, bro.

This is a meltdown waiting to happen.

Alright then. Unanimously decided by smart posters (people not on my ignore list) that Vucevic>>>>Adams. Good shit. Good to see a Magic player getting so much respect.

[moe94]

Only an insecure Lebron stan would start leaping to that gif and starting a KD-Bron debate to avoid the argument at hand.

Damn.

Jameer taking straight bullets

[CJ Mustard]

My god Steven Adams is overrated. Just goes to show most NBA fans only watch contenders.

[Jameerthefear]

My god Steven Adams is overrated. Just goes to show most NBA fans only watch contenders.
No kidding.

[FireDavidKahn]

Is this a serious question for right now? Vucevic is so much better than Adams at this point.

[Le Shaqtus]

My god Steven Adams is overrated. Just goes to show most NBA fans only watch contenders.

Or don't know basketball in general.

[Olacinco]

Lol @ this hole thread

Adams has potential to be a defensive specialist and that's it.. Like a very very very poor mans Noah

Vucevic has potential to me an all star caliber center.

Adams will never get a 20 rebound game yet alone a 29 one like vucci did 2 years ago

[Le Shaqtus]

Lol @ this hole thread

Adams has potential to be a defensive specialist and that's it.. Like a very very very poor mans Noah

Vucevic has potential to me an all star caliber center.

Adams will never get a 20 rebound game yet alone a 29 one like vucci did 2 years ago

I don't think he'll be an all star calibur player but he's definitely better than Adams.

[Black and White]

Jameer, whats the point of this thread? Its incredibly unfair comparing a starting rotation player to a rookie off the bench, Vucevic is better right now but in 3-4 years we can revisit this debate.

This is just as bad as your Arron Afflalo v Kobe (injured) thread. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

My god Steven Adams is overrated. Just goes to show most NBA fans only watch contenders.

Well, most NBA fans will want to see better talent and teams.

Also, if Adams does potentially become better it will be because of the coaching staff and system he's around.

[Jameerthefear]

Jameer, whats the point of this thread? Its incredibly unfair comparing a starting rotation player to a rookie off the bench, Vucevic is better right now but in 3-4 years we can revisit this debate.

This is just as bad as your Arron Afflalo v Kobe (injured) thread. :facepalm
bla bla bla. better than kobe vs lebron

[Black and White]

bla bla bla. better than kobe vs lebron

Make it fair though, compare Vucevic to a starting centre, maybe Larry Sanders?

[Jameerthefear]

Make it fair though, compare Vucevic to a starting centre, maybe Larry Sanders?
This thread also helps me know who to add to my ignore list.

[Black and White]

This thread also helps me know who to add to my ignore list.

Did I say Adams was better? No

[Jameerthefear]

Did I say Adams was better? No
Duh.

[PsychoBe]

mods lock this thread. and if the op continues to mercilessly troll these users who are trying to start an honest debate then i shall report him. he has been warned.

[Fudge]

Adams = Franchise changer

[Joyner82reload]

You take Vucevic because he's a sure thing right now, and will be a top 10 NBA center(low end of top 10) for a long time. Although he's a terrible defender, and not that efficient offensively.

Adams ceiling is much higher than Vucevic's. Adams can be a 15/12/3 block center in the league and a DPOY type defender. His hustle/strength is off the charts, and if he develops he will be Joakim Noah minus the passing.

[finchyyy]

Adams definitely has potential, but Vucevic is pretty far ahead of him at the moment. Would take him in a heartbeat.

[Black and White]

Duh.

But there is no question that in a few years he can become better, he has great hustle and work ethic.

[Jameerthefear]

Steven Adams 3.3 ppg convinces me that he can become an elite offensive player. trust me.

[Boarder Patrol]

Steven Adams 3.3 ppg convinces me that he can become an elite offensive player. trust me.

What did Afflalo's 3.7 PPG tell you in his rookie year?

[Fudge]

What did Afflalo's 3.7 PPG tell you in his rookie year?
/thread

[Black and White]

What did Afflalo's 3.7 PPG tell you in his rookie year?


Ether :eek:

[BlazerRed]

Adams plays defense and is a top 6 player on the best team in the league as a rookie in a foreign country where he barely understands the language

Vucci man is a statpadder on one of the worst teams in the league who scores all of his points while his team is down 20-30 points each game. Not to mention he is in his 3rd season and should have great chemistry with his teammates, but he doesn't becuz he plays no defense and ballhogs

Adams, too easy

I'm sorry but that's the hardest I've laughed in a while :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

Bump.

[Boarder Patrol]

Trust me everyone. Adams is better.

I have seen the youtube highlights.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Steven Adams 3.3 ppg convinces me that he can become an elite offensive player. trust me.



What did Afflalo's 3.7 PPG tell you in his rookie year?



Bump.

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[Milbuck]

Trust me everyone. Adams is better.

I have seen the youtube highlights.
:oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1f6jqk6iD1r6hffko1_500.gif
It's the exception not the rule. Do I really have to explain this to you?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Trust me everyone. Adams is better.

I have seen the youtube highlights.


another ether :lol

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OQraOUT5bxM/UjKA5YU0haI/AAAAAAAAOO0/akWAcmgqmPQ/s640/britney_oops-3.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's the exception not the rule. Do I really have to explain this to you?

you got ether'd, never responded, then bumped the thread yourself

embarrassing :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

you got ether'd, never responded, then bumped the thread yourself

embarrassing :roll:
I just responded to him. You are pitiful tbh.

[Boarder Patrol]

I just responded to him. You are pitiful tbh.


Where?

Unless you consider "exception not the rule" a legitimate response :hammerhead:

[Fudge]

Jameer stays takin the L on here. :oldlol:

Lawd Adamz.

[Jameerthefear]

Fudge looking straight up fvcking retarded for his earlier sayings :roll: Good shit.

[G-train]

Right now.

in a no-holds barred match?

Stone Cold Steve Adams 3:16

[TheMarkMadsen]

Fudge looking straight up fvcking retarded for his earlier sayings :roll: Good shit.

you are such a candy ass jabroni :oldlol: