Howard won't make the HoF

[moe94]

Do you believe this? You can't possibly believe this, right? His resume is already better than half the HoF.

5x first team selection
5x rebounding leader
3x DPotY
2x blocks leader
Finals appearance as best player
18/13 career stats

You're delirious if you think he's not first ballot.

[BasedTom]

It's the Hall of Fame, not the "Hall of Achievement" or "Hall of Champions," so yeah I can see him making it one day.

[AnaheimLakers24]

he will obviously. but will probably get inducted 30+ years after he retires

[HylianNightmare]

of course he will

[LAZERUSS]

There are too many crappy players in the basketball HOF for him not to make it.

[SexSymbol]

Well, look at the context.
He won DPOYs in the era of no center, and now that the center position is coming together nicely, he's fallin further and further apart in the current rankings while still being in his prime
18/13 is not something so incredibly spectacular, especially when he's shooting 50 % from FT

[NumberSix]

3peat DPOY is an HOF lock.

[Illuminati]

Only people who preach that he's not are most definitely Kobe stans and salty Lakers fans.

[moe94]

Well, look at the context.
He won DPOYs in the era of no center, and now that the center position is coming together nicely, he's fallin further and further apart in the current rankings while still being in his prime
18/13 is not something so incredibly spectacular, especially when he's shooting 50 % from FT

Your rationalization is bad era? :oldlol:

He's not in his best years because 2011 Howard is, by far, the best big in the league.

[Nikola_]

Even Rose will be in HOF, but Howard wont?:facepalm:

[cos88]

he was a hof even 3 years ago.

[Milbuck]

he was a hof even 3 years ago.
That's not saying much considering he hasn't done jack shit in the past 3 years..

[moe94]

That's not saying much considering he hasn't done jack shit in the past 3 years..

If anything, he hurt his great legacy. :D

[YouGotServed]

His stats are there. Only butt hurt Laker fans and Dwight haters think he won't make it. Good reality check, tho.

[Milbuck]

If anything, he hurt his great legacy. :D
:oldlol: He really did though. He honestly could've taken 2010-2011 and 2012-2013 off, at the very least his image would be better.

[Xoush]

Ye he will get inducted foso

[gts]

He should, how's he compare stats wise to other HOF ers?

On my phone so I can not lok but what does basketball reference say? anything above 85 percent is a sure thing

[navy]

He should have stayed in Orlando.

[SHAQisGOAT]

He'll make it. Especially when looking at guys already in (then when you also look at some snubs :facepalm).

[Smook A.]

If he consistently puts up around 18/13 every season he'll definitely make the hall of fame. Right now he's only 28 and has plenty of years left

[Jameerthefear]

He definitely will. Just think if he never got hurt. Man. He'd be averaging 25-26 easy.

[imdaman99]

He'll make it, but only because this is a weak era for big men.

Reminds me of a poor man's Zo, which is pretty good but not great.

[fpliii]

He'll make it, unquestionably first ballot. I still think he's bitchmade, but he's a tremendous talent. He might not be the best center in every era, but he would still be legitimately great.

[mr.big35]

he will make it easily. its not like baseball hall of fame where it is impossible to make it

[longtime lurker]

There are too many crappy players in the basketball HOF for him not to make it.

Exactly. If Vince Carter can make the hall of fame Howard will make it

[L.Kizzle]

There are too many crappy players in the basketball HOF for him not to make it.
Name these "crappy" players?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kevin Willis is a player who was putting up 19 & 12 on a 57 win team and nobody gave a shit.

What makes him better than Kevin Willis? The difference is Willis played in an era of historically great big men (Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley) while Howard plays in an era of historically weak big men.

[moe94]

That was his peak!

Howard AVERAGES that for a career and you think they're comparable.


Exactly. If Vince Carter can make the hall of fame Howard will make it

Carter peaked at 28/5.5/4 on 46% shooting

That would probably make him the best SG today, so far from crap.

[Mr Exlax]

I wouldn't be surprised if he had his retirement press conference and HOF induction at the same time. He's in there like swimwear.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That was his peak!

Howard AVERAGES that for a career and you think they're comparable.



Carter peaked at 28/5.5/4 on 46% shooting

That would probably make him the best SG today, so far from crap.


That wasn't his peak, he didn't even make the all star team..

Willis had consecutive seasons of 18/16, 18/13, 19/12, 17/11, 17/11.

He also played until he was 44 so he his career averages aren't that impressive

[Jameerthefear]

Kevin Willis is a player who was putting up 19 & 12 on a 57 win team and nobody gave a shit.

What makes him better than Kevin Willis? The difference is Willis played in an era of historically great big men (Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley) while Howard plays in an era of historically weak big men.
Dwight is a definite HOFer. Put him in an era where he could be more physical and he'd be even better.

[L.Kizzle]

Kevin Willis is a player who was putting up 19 & 12 on a 57 win team and nobody gave a shit.

What makes him better than Kevin Willis? The difference is Willis played in an era of historically great big men (Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley) while Howard plays in an era of historically weak big men.
He's been the best center in the league the past 6 season and will be the best for years to come. A ten year stretch of being the best at your position will get you in. His competition is weak, so he is doing what he is supposed to do, which is be the best at his position.

[fpliii]

That wasn't his peak, he didn't even make the all star team..

Willis had consecutive seasons of 18/16, 18/13, 19/12, 17/11, 17/11.

He also played until he was 44 so he his career averages aren't that impressive
I don't remember Willis being a defender of note. Like him or not, Dwight is a great player on that end. Maybe not the best in any given season, but by any measure (reputation, advanced metrics, raw stats) he's an elite defensive player.

[PsychoBe]

Dwight is a definite HOFer. Put him in an era where he could be more physical and he'd be even better.

more physical against who? shaq? kareem? hakeem? robinson? rik smits? moses malone?

are we forgetting that dwight's offensive capabilities are next to none for a big? if dwight understood the type of player he was, which was a defensive big and not an offensive one, then he'd be much better off.

[Mr Exlax]

He scores though. If he sucked on offense then teams wouldn't double team him in the post. He wouldn't average the number of points he does if he sucked on offense. You can say it's all on dunks or trash buckets, but even then that takes skill. If it didn't every center in the NBA would be putting up his same numbers.

[PsychoBe]

He scores though. If he sucked on offense then teams wouldn't double team him in the post. He wouldn't average the number of points he does if he sucked on offense. You can say it's all on dunks or trash buckets, but even then that takes skill. If it didn't every center in the NBA would be putting up his same numbers.

it's about offensive versatility. he can do whatever he wants in the regular season but in the playoffs where all the easy baskets are taken away he will struggle like he always has.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He's been the best center in the league the past 6 season and will be the best for years to come. A ten year stretch of being the best at your position will get you in. His competition is weak, so he is doing what he is supposed to do, which is be the best at his position.


He should be DOMINATING this weak era of centers if he's some top 12 big man of all time like people talk about him being.

I remember a few years ago there was a thread about him being better than Patrick Ewing :oldlol:

The concensus on ISH is that a big man is the most important player on the court and has the most impact, if Dwight is such a great big man while playing in an admittedly WEAK era for big men, then he should be at the top of the league dominating, but he's not. A great big man in a weak big man era should strike fear in opponents..he doesn't..

If 27 year old Ewing, Barkley or Malone were playing in this league right now they'd be strikning fear in every team they play, with their team in the top 3 contenders of who might win a title.

[KyrieTheFuture]

If Dwight is not a Hall of Famer, then not one center who's been drafted since 2000 is either.

[Mr Exlax]

it's about offensive versatility. he can do whatever he wants in the regular season but in the playoffs where all the easy baskets are taken away he will struggle like he always has.

Teams are still gonna double team him. He's still gonna score. He's still gonna create open shots for his teammates. Other than last season, I can't remember him being shut down in a playoff series.

[PsychoBe]

Teams are still gonna double team him. He's still gonna score. He's still gonna create open shots for his teammates. Other than last season, I can't remember him being shut down in a playoff series.

we'll see this season. i'm willing to give dwight a second chance in my eyes seeing that him and his team are putting it all together. he was injured in the pacers post season and did make it to the finals so he has that to boast but he still leaves a lot to be desired in the post.

i've said some harsh things about dwight and i'll be willing to take it all back if he at least makes it past the 2nd round depending on who he faces. if he faces okc then i wouldn't blame him if he lost that series honestly, but it'll depend on his performance as well but i'm not trying to make excuses for him either. i'll hold him accountable when appropriate.

[secund2nun]

He is a lock for HOF. He is one of the best players of his era. Anyone who doesn't have him in the HOF either hates him or doesn't understand the game of bball so they underrate centers.

[Mr Exlax]

we'll see this season. i'm willing to give dwight a second chance in my eyes seeing that him and his team are putting it all together. he was injured in the pacers post season and did make it to the finals so he has that to boast but he still leaves a lot to be desired in the post.

i've said some harsh things about dwight and i'll be willing to take it all back if he at least makes it past the 2nd round depending on who he faces. if he faces okc then i wouldn't blame him if he lost that series honestly, but it'll depend on his performance as well but i'm not trying to make excuses for him either. i'll hold him accountable when appropriate.

I will agree with you that he still needs lots of work in the post. I don't think he'll ever be thorough down there though. He's just too stiff. The footwork just isn't there. He'll be good enough to be a positive impact for his team though. He got a lot better after he worked with Hakeem the first time. He was good for 2 seasons but then the back surgery happened. Last season he came back early and was just out of shape. Everything about him was different. Add to that that he was not giving 100% effort. I think he's gonna do good though. Teams that don't double him are gonna get their asses spanked. Perkins got lucky lol.

[Collie]

Yeah he will. Even guys like Tim Hardaway are making the HOF.

[Smoke117]

Well, look at the context.
He won DPOYs in the era of no center, and now that the center position is coming together nicely, he's fallin further and further apart in the current rankings while still being in his prime
18/13 is not something so incredibly spectacular, especially when he's shooting 50 % from FT

Not one of the centers right now comes close to being as dominant as Dwight was defensively in Orlando.

[Alan Ogg]

He'll quite easily make it. Who is saying he won't? That's just retarded.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He will make it. Easily.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah he will. Even guys like Tim Hardaway are making the HOF.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

What makes him different than a Dave Bing type player from a different era?

[Black Mamba's B]

He definitely will. Just think if he never got hurt. Man. He'd be averaging 25-26 easy.

He will get in the HOF

But Howard was never capable of averaging 25 plus points per game. From an offensive standpoint, he is terrible. He is just a great athlete.

[Jameerthefear]

He will get in the HOF

But Howard was never capable of averaging 25 plus points per game. From an offensive standpoint, he is terrible. He is just a great athlete.
Yes he was. He averaged 23 ppg on 59% shooting in 2011. He definitely was capable.

[Black Mamba's B]

Yes he was. He averaged 23 ppg on 59% shooting in 2011. He definitely was capable.

He doesn't have the offensive versatility.

[Collie]

You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

What makes him different than a Dave Bing type player from a different era?

It's not a bad thing. I love Timbug, but if he's getting in, then Dwight is getting in.

[ImKobe]

I think Dwight is already pretty much a lock with the accolades that he does have, one of the greatest rebounders and shot blockers ever, especially at his size and has led a team to a Finals. I think he will win a ring as a journeyman at like 35-36 years old like Zo did with Miami and will make it 1st ballot HOF.

He's having a 10th straight season, where he's averaging double digit rebounds and points, career 18 ppg scorer on 58% shooting, not that bad of a career, imo.

[Jameerthefear]

He doesn't have the offensive versatility.
He doesn't have the versatility to average 2 more points? He was shooting 59% If he shot better from the line he would get that easy.

[Black Mamba's B]

He doesn't have the versatility to average 2 more points? He was shooting 59% If he shot better from the line he would get that easy.
Then why hasn't he done it? What is he 28? Year 10 for him in the league? Especially in the weak era of bigs, I think he just relied on his athleticism.. his athleticism has dipped a lil bit and he just doesn't, never had the skill set to do so.

[Cold soul]

Howard will make it.

[Jameerthefear]

Then why hasn't he done it? What is he 28? Year 10 for him in the league? Especially in the weak era of bigs, I think he just relied on his athleticism.. his athleticism has dipped a lil bit and he just doesn't, never had the skill set to do so.
That's why I said if he never got hurt. He definitely could have done it. You're acting like it wasn't possible for him to literally put the ball in the hoop one more time per game.

[riseagainst]

he will make it in..... it's not hard making it into the basketball HoF. It's not that impressive as compared to other sports' HoFs.

[navy]

Howard should have never forced a trade to the Lakers.