Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady; Are they HOF worthy?

[MavsSuperFan]

Personally for me I think VC is borderline, but both should make it.

McGrady is easily an HOFer imo. For a little stretch it was between him and kobe as the best wing player in the nba

Vince Carter
8

[L.Kizzle]

Yes, every day of the week.

[NumberSix]

They would be if they had both stayed in Toronto. That could have been a championship team.

[SpecialQue]

Both are piece of shit career losers. They deserve nothing but shame.

[moe94]

Vince Carter deserves to be in the hall. Jury is out on T-Mac. He was arguably the best perimeter player in the league for a single season. Is that enough?

[NumberSix]

Vince Carter deserves to be in the hall. Jury is out on T-Mac. He was arguably the best perimeter player in the league for a single season. Is that enough?
No.

[Euroleague]

No.

[kNicKz]

Both are piece of shit career losers. They deserve nothing but shame.
sarcasm?

[secund2nun]

Both are piece of shit career losers. They deserve nothing but shame.

No different than Kobe without an elite front court.

[PsychoBe]

No different than Kobe without an elite front court.

or lebron without wade and bosh.

well, we all knew what happened with them too...

[Uncle Drew]

Tracy was 25 seconds away from a ring though. :(

[Legends66NBA7]

You've got to add Vince's gold medal to the list too. Lead the team in scoring.

And yes, both are worth of the HOF.

[miggyme1]

Vince Carter deserves to be in the hall. Jury is out on T-Mac. He was arguably the best perimeter player in the league for a single season. Is that enough?



the tmac hater returns!

[fpliii]

TMac, definitely. I think Vince gets in too.

[DStebb716]

They're both HOFers to me. If I had to choose one it's Vince.

[JellyBean]

Without a doubt they are HOF worthy.

[D.J.]

Vince is an icon. He made basketball popular in Canada. He had a 10 year stretch averaging:


25.7/5.8/3.9
27.6/5.5/3.9
24.7/5.2/4.0
20.6/4.4/3.3
22.5/4.8/4.8
24.5/5.2/4.2
24.2/5.8/4.3
25.2/6.0/4.8
21.3/6.0/5.1
20.8/5.1/4.7


McGrady had an 8 year stretch averaging:


26.8/7.5/4.6
25.6/7.9/5.3
32.1/6.5/5.5
28.0/6.0/5.5
25.7/6.2/5.7
24.4/6.5/4.8
24.6/5.3/6.5
21.6/5.1/5.9


McGrady has 2 All-NBA 1st teams and 3 selections for the 2nd team. Vince oddly enough only has 1 2nd team and 1 3rd team. But Vince is an icon for Canada. Both are HOF'ers and if only one of them is first ballot, it's probably Vince.

[MavsSuperFan]

Wow people think vince had a better career than tmac?
His playoff success was in a really weak east.

[NattyPButter]

they done more then some of the guys that are in the HOF.

[DaSeba5]

As somebody said, there are people worse than them in it, so I'd say yes. Carter, especially, was an icon in Canada.

[moe94]

Wow people think vince had a better career than tmac?
His playoff success was in a really weak east.
The same East T-Mac spent all his best years?

[JohnFreeman]

Carter is HOF off that dunk contest alone

[Vragrant]

I'd say they are borderline, but they'll get in. I realize after following the NFL hall of fame how much hard it is to get in other sports. A guy like Terrell Davis who is a 2 time superbowl champ/1 Superbowl MVP/1 regular season league MVP and rushed for over 2000 years doesn't even make the top15 finalists.

If the NFL HOF was like the basketball hall they'd be rolling out the red carpet for him.

[truhooper]

Vince: yes
Tmac: borderline

[RoundMoundOfReb]

TMac, definitely. I think Vince gets in too.
Vince, definitely. I think TMac gets in too.

[Cold soul]

I think they both get in eventually.

[houston]

Without a doubt they are HOF worthy.


if reggie miller in they both in

[Alan Ogg]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 38387
2. Karl Malone* 36928
3. Michael Jordan* 32292
4. Kobe Bryant 31700
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 31419
6. Julius Erving* 30026
7. Moses Malone* 29580
8. Shaquille O'Neal 28596
9. Dan Issel* 27482
10. Elvin Hayes* 27313
11. Hakeem Olajuwon* 26946
12. Oscar Robertson* 26710
13. Dominique Wilkins* 26668
14. George Gervin* 26595
15. John Havlicek* 26395
16. Dirk Nowitzki 26179
17. Alex English* 25613
18. Kevin Garnett 25582
19. Reggie Miller* 25279
Rick Barry* 25279
21. Jerry West* 25192
22. Artis Gilmore* 24941
23. Patrick Ewing* 24815
24. Paul Pierce 24641
25. Tim Duncan 24547
26. Allen Iverson 24368
27. Ray Allen 24240
28. Charles Barkley* 23757
29. Robert Parish* 23334
30. Adrian Dantley* 23177
31. Elgin Baylor* 23149
32. Vince Carter 22822
33. LeBron James 22405
34. Clyde Drexler* 22195
35. Gary Payton* 21813
36. Larry Bird* 21791
37. Hal Greer* 21586
38. Walt Bellamy* 20941
39. Bob Pettit* 20880
40. David Robinson* 20790

Every single player with as many points is or will be a HOFer. That said, I say no to both.

[smoovegittar]

No and No.

[MichaelCorleone]

No brainer, yes to both.

Vince because goat dunker.

Tracy because 13 in 33.

[SexSymbol]

Not a chance for t-mac, Maybe Vince for being such an icon

[MichaelCorleone]

Not a chance for t-mac, Maybe Vince for being such an icon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-8FksMVAdU

[mr.big35]

they are both hof basketball hall of fame is easier to get in than other sports

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Not a chance for t-mac, Maybe Vince for being such an icon
so a player who was better at hos peak than Kobe ever was and got fcked over by injuries shouldnt make the HoF???:biggums:
maybe lets exclude Kobe too, for front running and raping:coleman:

[MichaelCorleone]

maybe lets exclude Kobe too, for front running and raping:coleman:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[hitmanyr2k]

Vince Carter isn't a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd ballot HOF'er. For all of the tools he had to work with if all he has to hang his hat on is a dunk contest and scoring a lot of points on bad teams then he should be on that 5+ year waiting list to get in. McGrady at least has some accolades (All-NBA teams) and was Top 3 at his position for many years. He's not 1st ballot either but should get in eventually, and much faster than Vince.

[SexSymbol]

so a player who was better at hos peak than Kobe ever was and got fcked over by injuries shouldnt make the HoF???:biggums:
maybe lets exclude Kobe too, for front running and raping:coleman:
It's hard to put T-Mac's peak on a shitty team up there with Kobe's, when Kobe had a better year then T-mac had while he was peaking.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

It's hard to put T-Mac's peak on a shitty team up there with Kobe's, when Kobe had a better year then T-mac had while he was peaking.
no, he actually didnt:facepalm

[PsychoBe]

no, he actually didnt:facepalm

no one is going to let someone in the HOF for one season. that literally makes no sense. doesn't matter how high he "peaked" if he never made it out of the first round of the playoffs.

[AirFederer]

Yes no doubt

[SexSymbol]

no, he actually didnt:facepalm
Of course he did, Kobe put up almost the same numbers and better in some cases on a contender, while T-Mac was just playing on a shitty team that had no hope of contending, that's why he put up some stats.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

no one is going to let someone in the HOF for one season. that literally makes no sense. doesn't matter how high he "peaked" if he never made it out of the first round of the playoffs.
if your a top 5 perimeter player of all time level TALENT and didnt bust then yes, youll make it:no:

[PsychoBe]

if your a top 5 perimeter player of all time level TALENT and didnt bust then yes, youll make it:no:

not true at all. t-mac was a great player but the injuries ruined him, just like penny and so many others. he was a great player but i dont want it to be put out there that having a great couple of seasons with no post season success should warrant a hof berth. though it always saddens me to see t-mac's emotional interview.

http://files.myopera.com/jaddict/blog/1178442446-0McGrady350300.jpg

he stormed out because deep down he knew that he failed....and that was the hard for him to swallow.

[DMV2]

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Personally for me I think VC is borderline, but both should make it.

McGrady is easily an HOFer imo. For a little stretch it was between him and kobe as the best wing player in the nba

Vince Carter
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[Overdrive]

T-Mac might go the Bernard King route. Vince Carter will get in, I'm pretty sure.

[moe94]

It's hard to put T-Mac's peak on a shitty team up there with Kobe's, when Kobe had a better year then T-mac had while he was peaking.

03 T-Mac > 03 Kobe

[Marlo_Stanfield]

03 T-Mac > 03 Kobe
:applause: :applause:

[PsychoBe]

kobe bryant 2002-2003:

30.3/6.6/5.1/2.1/0.7

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/los-angeles-lakers/players/kobe-bryant/profile/03/12/182

tracy mcgrady 2002-2003:

32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.7

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html

but...03 t-mac > kobe?

:applause:

[moe94]

That's 04 T-Mac, genius.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

That's 04 T-Mac, genius.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PsychoBe]

good thing i cite my sources.

[moe94]

What does that even mean, dummy? Are you implying a single person on this site is unaware of that place? Really?

You're still going to suggest he had a better season? Really? I mean, when you got agendas, you got agendas but have some humility. 03 T-Mac is better, offensively. No shame in that. You're treating this like it's some controversial issue when it was a real debate back then. Stop being silly.

[PsychoBe]

What does that even mean, dummy? Are you implying a single person on this site is unaware of that place? Really?

You're still going to suggest he had a better season? Really? I mean, when you got agendas, you got agendas but have some humility. 03 T-Mac is better, offensively. No shame in that. You're treating this like it's some controversial issue when it was a real debate back then. Stop being silly.

i said that because i was corrected. that's why i changed it.

you made a bold assertion that 03 t-mac was indisputably better than 03 kobe, but when i put the numbers in front of you, now it's a debate.

i'm not knocking t-mac for anything, but nobody is going to give him a hof berth just because he "peaked higher than kobe".

at the end of the day t-mac doesn't necessarily have much of a lasting legacy, but years down the line revisionist history may allow him to sneak his way into the hof. it happened for bernard king so it could happen for him.

[Element]

What does that even mean, dummy? Are you implying a single person on this site is unaware of that place? Really?

You're still going to suggest he had a better season? Really? I mean, when you got agendas, you got agendas but have some humility. 03 T-Mac is better, offensively. No shame in that. You're treating this like it's some controversial issue when it was a real debate back then. Stop being silly.

03 Kobe>>>>>>any T-Mac defensively

[moe94]

That is true. Goes without saying.^

It was always a debate because it's a damn opinion. You're grasping now. If I say x is better than y, it's always a subjective statement, thus always up for debate.

[PsychoBe]

That is true. Goes without saying.^

It was always a debate because it's a damn opinion. You're grasping now. If I say x is better than y, it's always a subjective statement, thus always up for debate.

i was being facetious and i know you were too, unfortunately not everyone is as intelligent as you are so i had to do everyone a favor and post the numbers before the "if t-mac was with shaq" arguments and non-sense starts flailing around, as if t-mac didn't have a good thing with vince already before literally forcing his way out of toronto.

[moe94]

Not an argument you want to explore while defending Kobe doe