How come SG never go #1?

[moe94]

Combo guards that lean to PG don't count.

[JohnMax]

because they need Gasol, Shaq, Bosh or Lebron to carry them

[RightToCensor]

You never build around a young 2 guard. Teams build around a PG or Big.

[AnaheimLakers24]

cause 90% of the time you'll end up with someone like jamal crawford. no thansk

[LeGOAT]

Because basketball is for big people

[NumberSix]

Because historically, it's the weakest position. The list of all time greats who were SGs is short. You might struggle to even find 5 of them.

[Milbuck]

Because in the vast majority of drafts with a good-great SG, there was a player from another position that looked like they were more NBA-ready, a safer pick, had a higher ceiling, more gifted, etc. Obviously this might not have been true, but it's the way GMs thought at the time of the draft.

Wade - Lebron
MJ - Hakeem
Kobe - high school risk
Drexler - Sampson
Reggie - D-Rob
TMac - Duncan
Harden - Blake, despite how laughable it is to say that dirty flopping idiot Beardsley Mc****face deserved to go #1 in any draft aside from a draft of ugly, fat, smelly floppers most likely to someday play for the Beijing Ducks.

[HOoopCityJones]

because they need Gasol, Shaq, Bosh or Lebron to carry them

Damn, the dude asked a legit question and your first reaction is to turn this into a DWade/Kobe detractors thread.

[Smook A.]

Teams want to build around bigs. That's why Hakeem Olajuwon was chosen over Michael Jordan

[BuffaloBill]

because all the good SGs are PGs


john wall, derrick rose, allen iverson all went #1 and they are SG really

[kNicKz]

You never build around a young 2 guard. Teams build around a PG or Big.

meh, Lakers/Bulls did it successfully

[LeGOAT]

Because historically, it's the weakest position. The list of all time greats who were SGs is short. You might struggle to even find 5 of them.
Yup. Only truly special sgs are players like MJ, Wade and West, maybe big O if you wanna count him as a 2. Then there's players like Ray Allen, Miller, Iverson who were great players but not someone who you want to build a championship team around

[Milbuck]

because all the good SGs are PGs


john wall, derrick rose, allen iverson all went #1 and they are SG really
John Wall is in no way a SG..

[justin12140]

because all the good SGs are PGs


john wall, derrick rose, allen iverson all went #1 and they are SG really
lol? JW and AI play nothing alike

[BuffaloBill]

John Wall is in no way a SG..


naturally he is. he has learned to play PG well(like lebron) but he is a shooting guard first

[BuffaloBill]

lol? JW and AI play nothing alike


what does that have to do with anything? :wtf:

[LeGOAT]

what does that have to do with anything? :wtf:
Because you grouping him with tweener guards like Rose and Iverson when he plays much more like a traditional 1

[moe94]

You people with arguments surrounding "not easy to build around" or "bigs" are missing the fact that PG have been going 1 recently since Iverson. Elite PG have won less than elite SG in the last 30 years.

[Milbuck]

naturally he is. he has learned to play PG well(like lebron) but he is a shooting guard first
He has not learned to do it, he's got fantastic vision as it is. This isn't a Westbrook situation where he was forced to play a new position. The guy was capable of running offenses from the start, he's naturally a great passer with elite PG vision. Slashing =/= shoot-first SG :confusedshrug:

[K Xerxes]

Teams want to build around bigs. That's why Hakeem Olajuwon was chosen over Michael Jordan

In retrospect, I don't see much wrong with choosing Hakeem over Jordan. In fact, were they to do the whole draft again knowing what every player would become, I feel like Houston would still legitimately consider choosing Hakeem again.

Many of the decisions to take big men (or others) over the 2 guards make sense, some even in hindsight.

[AnaheimLakers24]

You people with arguments surrounding "not easy to build around" or "bigs" are missing the fact that PG have been going 1 recently since Iverson. Elite PG have won less than elite SG in the last 30 years.
elite pgs are overrated and in no way will lead you anywhere as the 1st option


these guys will be losers untill they take a backseat
cp3
irving
wall
rose
curry

[BuffaloBill]

He has not learned to do it, he's got fantastic vision as it is. This isn't a Westbrook situation where he was forced to play a new position. The guy was capable of running offenses from the start, he's naturally a great passer with elite PG vision. Slashing =/= shoot-first SG :confusedshrug:


there are a lot of non PGs with good vision though. I'm not saying he's not a PG, my point was that a majority of the best players coming out of college that would be suitable for the SG position end up falling into PG or SF positions because players that are really good are usually good at things other than just scoring.

[PsychoBe]

elite pgs are overrated and in no way will lead you anywhere as the 1st option


these guys will be losers untill they take a backseat
cp3
irving
wall
rose
curry

this "pg-era" is fool's gold. the last pg to legitimately lead his team to a title was isiah thomas almost 30 years ago. you can't have your best scorer be your primary playmaker and ball handler, that's almost cancerous to a team. oscar robertson's style of play was actually frowned upon in his heyday by many contemporaries because his style of play never translated into much winning at all.

[Milbuck]

elite pgs are overrated and in no way will lead you anywhere as the 1st option


these guys will be losers untill they take a backseat
cp3
irving
wall
rose
curry
Wall, Rose (healthy), CP3 have no place on that list.

Pre-injury CP3 was absolutely capable of being a #1 on a championship squad, no questions asked. The dude was an absolute genius of a PG. I still think he can do it, the Clippers are in a good spot right now under Doc. Blake and DJ have been beasts this year, and they could be dangerous in the playoffs.

Wall is still improving. Under a good coach and a competent organization, he could definitely be a #1 on a championship squad. He's averaging around 20/4/9/2 and he's only 23. If you take PG off the Pacers and put in Wall, you think the Pacers have zero chance of winning it all? In fact, they might even be better with an elite slasher like Wall who has elite vision/passing and can run an offense.

2010-2011 Rose was 22 years old, and the Bulls still made the ECF. That same Bulls team or one with similar talent level with a mature, more experienced Rose with a better jumper could absolutely win a chip.

[PsychoBe]

Wall, Rose (healthy), CP3 have no place on that list.

Pre-injury CP3 was absolutely capable of being a #1 on a championship squad, no questions asked. The dude was an absolute genius of a PG. I still think he can do it, the Clippers are in a good spot right now under Doc. Blake and DJ have been beasts this year, and they could be dangerous in the playoffs.

Wall is still improving. Under a good coach and a competent organization, he could definitely be a #1 on a championship squad. He's averaging around 20/4/9/2 and he's only 23. If you take PG off the Pacers and put in Wall, you think the Pacers have zero chance of winning it all? In fact, they might even be better with an elite slasher like Wall who has elite vision/passing and can run an offense.

2010-2011 Rose was 22 years old, and the Bulls still made the ECF. That same Bulls team or one with similar talent level with a mature, more experienced Rose with a better jumper could absolutely win a chip.

you bring up cp3 as if he has seen basketball beyond a second round sweep, or wall as if he has even seen the post-season period (it's a different beast entirely). rose needed more time but unfortunately he wasn't gifted any, so it is what it is.

[Legends66NBA7]

Iverson is a SG IMO, not a combo.

Any other SG's gone first ?

[NumberSix]

You people with arguments surrounding "not easy to build around" or "bigs" are missing the fact that PG have been going 1 recently since Iverson. Elite PG have won less than elite SG in the last 30 years.
Are you sure?

Elite PGs:
Magic
Isiah
Parker
Kidd (not elite at the time)


Elite SGs:
Jordan
Kobe
Wade
Manu (debatable)
Allen (maybe not "elite" at the time)



I dunno. Kinda close. Neither side is exactly stacked with #1 picks either.

[theoneneo]

Yup. Only truly special sgs are players like MJ, Wade and West, maybe big O if you wanna count him as a 2. Then there's players like Ray Allen, Miller, Iverson who were great players but not someone who you want to build a championship team around

I see what you did there ya fckn hater :lol

Leaving off the second greatest shooting guard of all time, shame on you!

[moe94]

At the time of winning, the SG list blows out the PG list. In fact, it blows it out of the water, regardless.

[ImKobe]

Because no one builds a team around a SG. It's the same reason MJ wasn't picked #1 in 84. History shows that the teams, who build their rosters around bigs (Russell,Wilt,Kareem,Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan) are more successful in the long run. There are only a couple exceptions like the 90s Bulls and the 00-10 Lakers with Kobe. Only 2 franchises in NBA history have won multiple titles led by a SG. Heat are an exception with Wade winning one in 06.

[wakencdukest]

Because no one builds a team around a SG. It's the same reason MJ wasn't picked #1 in 84. History shows that the teams, who build their rosters around bigs (Russell,Wilt,Kareem,Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan) are more successful in the long run. There are only a couple exceptions like the 90s Bulls and the 00-10 Lakers with Kobe. Only 2 franchises in NBA history have won multiple titles led by a SG. Heat are an exception with Wade winning one in 06.





And both of those were coached by Phil Jackson, running the triangle offense. Will that ever happen again? Probably not.

[mr.big35]

because sgs are not known for the all round game. they are just for the offensive game.

[ImKobe]

And both of those were coached by Phil Jackson, running the triangle offense. Will that ever happen again? Probably not.

Sadly I think not. I'm surprised Phil still hasn't gotten a role in the Lakers franchise though, Jimbo must really hate the man or something. I'd love Phil in the Pat Riley role.

[HOoopCityJones]

Sadly I think not. I'm surprised Phil still hasn't gotten a role in the Lakers franchise though, Jimbo must really hate the man or something. I'd love Phil in the Pat Riley role.

Jim isn't very smart, hell look how long it took him to wise up on the Bynum for Dwight Howard deal. There was a time Jim would of never traded Bynum for anyone short of Lebron James.