Is it ok to eat school food if im on a diet?

[waseem780]

Im on a diet to shed some weight , and I wanna know if I can still eat my school lunch food. My school lunch food usually is a meal like rice with chicken or some pasta or a sandwhich with a aside of some veggies canned fruit and milk.

[IamRAMBO24]

No.

Be wary of just counting calories. It's all bullsh*t. It's not how low your calorie intake is, it is how your body process that intake. Merely adding calories and trying to beat it through exercise won't work.

This is why fat people never get skinny through exercising and cutting calories.

Bold statement.

But this is the philosopher speaking and you know he's got some ammunition to back up his statements.

Fire away.

[HarryCallahan]

What you on a diet for? Trying to keep your girlish figure?

With a name like Waseem I assume you're black. Nothing wrong with being a big fat black dude. Embrace it homeboy.

[GASOL IS GOAT]

Im on a diet to shed some weight , and I wanna know if I can still eat my school lunch food. My school lunch food usually is a meal like rice with chicken or some pasta or a sandwhich with a aside of some veggies canned fruit and milk.
Do you really have to ask this? School lunch is about the worst thing you can eat. Even the fruit's are drained of their nutrients.

[BrownEye007]

A carton of the schools chocolate milk has about as much sugar a a can of soda.

[gigantes]

the one thing that helped me lose the most weight was cutting out processed grains, like rice, pasta, and the bread in your sandwich.

these foods are a smallish step above eating straight sugar. basically lots of empty calories... little fiber, vitamins and nutrients.

eating food like this basically overloads your blood sugar system, screwing up your insulin response, causing inflammation on your blood vessel walls, and yes... causes excess blood sugar to be quickly stored in your fat cells.

[Bandito]

No because of the reason stated above. Bring your own food. But if are poor or dont want to bring food dont drink any juices or chocolate milk and only drink water. Also canned fruit is full of sugar so dont eat that. They ten to have syrup on it and remember that refined sugar is sweet poison in the body.

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No.

Be wary of just counting calories. It's all bullsh*t. It's not how low your calorie intake is, it is how your body process that intake. Merely adding calories and trying to beat it through exercise won't work.

This is why fat people never get skinny through exercising and cutting calories.

Bold statement.

But this is the philosopher speaking and you know he's got some ammunition to back up his statements.

Fire away.

:biggums: cutting back calories is literally the only way ive known People to lose weight and keep it off.

[gigantes]

:biggums: cutting back calories is literally the only way ive known People to lose weight and keep it off.
well, our friend rambo tries to steer every conversation towards his favorite cartoon character, superkant.


hey, you know pinball can be pretty aerobic when you're really in to a game. i miss that nice little workout, since they aren't many machines where i live now.

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well, our friend rambo tries to steer every conversation towards his favorite cartoon character, superkant.


hey, you know pinball can be pretty aerobic when you're really in to a game. i miss that nice little workout, since they aren't many machines where i live now.

That's true, I don't get into with my body but some people do. I recently sold one, moving that bastard was a decent workout. Good for your core strength I'd say :roll:

[gigantes]

thank god for those little plastic coasters!

[oarabbus]

K-12 School food is honestly one of the worst things you can put in your body. Everything is highly processed, and not well balanced nutritionally. Avoid dat **** as much as possible. It's funny, we feed our kids basically what we feed prisoners.

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K-12 School food is honestly one of the worst things you can put in your body. Everything is highly processed, and not well balanced nutritionally. Avoid dat **** as much as possible. It's funny, we feed our kids basically what we feed prisoners.

I've always thought it odd the kind of crap schools feed kids in america, here most kids bring their own lunches otherwise buy food from a canteen that usually has a bunch of options you find at any other food place. One of the schools I've worked at in the past had the best canteen, chicken snitzel rolls, sweet chilli chicken wraps, was awesome food.

[IamRAMBO24]

:biggums: cutting back calories is literally the only way ive known People to lose weight and keep it off.

Negative.

Losing weight is a mindset, so if all you are doing is counting calories, then good luck with actually losing weight.

Simple question. If most people want to lose weight, is motivated to do it, then how come they have failed miserably counting calories?

Stick around. Here is another Kantian-level discussion coming your way.

[IamRAMBO24]

K-12 School food is honestly one of the worst things you can put in your body. Everything is highly processed, and not well balanced nutritionally. Avoid dat **** as much as possible. It's funny, we feed our kids basically what we feed prisoners.

The educational system is structure like a prison on purpose.

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Negative.

Losing weight is a mindset, so if all you are doing is counting calories, then good luck with actually losing weight.

Simple question. If most people want to lose weight, is motivated to do it, then how come they have failed miserably counting calories?

Stick around. Here is another Kantian-level discussion coming your way.

god your an idiot. People fail because they don't stick to it, this isn't always a will power thing some peoples bodies react differently to a change of diet and some peoples fat cells change after long periods of being obese which makes it harder to get rid of them. Every healthy weight loss program is centred around ways to lower your calorie intake while preventing you from feeling hungry or not enjoying the food you can eat.

I know multiple people who've had success by lowering their calorie intake and exercising regularly. It's not the quickest way to lose weight but it's by far the safest and has the best success to keep the weight off long term as most other fad diets just burn up your bodies energy stores.

[gigantes]

Negative.

Losing weight is a mindset, so if all you are doing is counting calories, then good luck with actually losing weight.

Simple question. If most people want to lose weight, is motivated to do it, then how come they have failed miserably counting calories?

Stick around. Here is another Kantian-level discussion coming your way.
IME the problem is not that counting calories isn't (mostly) useful, it's that it tends to ignore their psychological needs.

there's also a lot of information to be learned and self-training necessary if you want to permanently change your diet.

[oarabbus]

Negative.

Losing weight is a mindset, so if all you are doing is counting calories, then good luck with actually losing weight.

Simple question. If most people want to lose weight, is motivated to do it, then how come they have failed miserably counting calories?

Stick around. Here is another Kantian-level discussion coming your way.


Because they were too weak to stick to their calorie targets. The end.

If your BMR + daily activity level puts you at 2000/calories a day for maintenance, and you eat 1800 calories a day, you WILL lose weight until you reach the point where 1800 calories is your new maintenance.

Lower that to 1700 calories and you lose weight again. That's it.

[dr.hee]

Negative.

Losing weight is a mindset

Negative.

Losing weight is the process of...well...losing weight :lebronamazed:




Because they were too weak to stick to their calorie targets. The end.

If your BMR + daily activity level puts you at 2000/calories a day for maintenance, and you eat 1800 calories a day, you WILL lose weight until you reach the point where 1800 calories is your new maintenance.

Lower that to 1700 calories and you lose weight again. That's it.


This.

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Because they were too weak to stick to their calorie targets. The end.

If your BMR + daily activity level puts you at 2000/calories a day for maintenance, and you eat 1800 calories a day, you WILL lose weight until you reach the point where 1800 calories is your new maintenance.

Lower that to 1700 calories and you lose weight again. That's it.

:applause:

counting calories is the simplified way to do it, of course you can get into all the good fat/bad fat nutrient stuff but at the end of the day if you eat generally healthy food (avoid take away and candy) and eat less calories you should be able to lose weight.

Another problem is that people watch the biggest loser (a recent contestant said their "weekly" weigh in is actually far longer than a week, with 16 days being the quickest "weekly" weigh in during his season) and then get upset and give up when they only lose a couple kg's a week which is a healthy amount to be losing after the initial couple of weeks. People want a miracle weight loss method that loses 10's of kgs a week while being sustainable without any health issues but that just doesn't exist.

[IamRAMBO24]

god your an idiot. People fail because they don't stick to it, this isn't always a will power thing some peoples bodies react differently to a change of diet and some peoples fat cells change after long periods of being obese which makes it harder to get rid of them. Every healthy weight loss program is centred around ways to lower your calorie intake while preventing you from feeling hungry or not enjoying the food you can eat.

I know multiple people who've had success by lowering their calorie intake and exercising regularly. It's not the quickest way to lose weight but it's by far the safest and has the best success to keep the weight off long term as most other fad diets just burn up your bodies energy stores.

This is actually the popular opinion, in fact, most experts will tell you this. I won't argue it will help you lose weight; what I'm more interested in is why is it so hard for people to lose weight knowing this?

If they are motivated, then it goes to reason they will stick to it, but the fact is losing weight has very little to do with cutting out calories but a lot more to do with mentality.

Dieting doesn't work because it is a negative mentality.

Exercise is f*ckin great, but to lose weight, you shouldn't start with it because it is also a negative mentality.

Best way to lose weight? Change your thinking on eating.

For starters, eat only when you are hungry. Sounds simple, but that has a huge implication on losing weight. Too many people eat because they crave food; skinny people who don't exercise only eat when they are hungry.

Therefore, the best way to lose weight is not through counting calories or exercise (although both can help you lose a few pounds), but to change your perception on food itself.

I have the evidence to back it up: if counting calories and duking it out in the gym truly works, then why are people getting fatter?

[oarabbus]

Dieting doesn't work because it is a negative mentality.

Exercise is f*ckin great, but to lose weight, you shouldn't start with it because it is also a negative mentality.

Best way to lose weight? Change your thinking on eating.

For starters, eat only when you are hungry. Sounds simple, but that has a huge implication on losing weight. Too many people eat because they crave food; skinny people who don't exercise only eat when they are hungry.

Therefore, the best way to lose weight is not through counting calories or exercise (although both can help you lose a few pounds), but to change your perception on food itself.

I have the evidence to back it up: if counting calories and duking it out in the gym truly works, then why are people getting fatter?

You have some good points being made here but you just aren't framing them properly.

You are correct, the practice of "counting calories" as we know it in society tends to fail or backfire, and YES what you are saying about a "negative mindset" is a huge component of why diets don't work. The part about changing your perception on food itself, is absolutely true, I will agree with you there.

However, actually counting calories - meaning that you eat below your maintenance level intake - is not fluff. Just like outbreak said, it's the simplified way to do it but it works.

Burning more calories than you put in is the end all be all for losing weight.

[IamRAMBO24]

This methodology is from philosophy.

The thinking is:

1. You have a thought process (imagination and creativity).

2. The thought process is what alters perception.

Therefore, if you can change the thought process, you can change your reality.

This is why exercise and dieting don't work for many people: they are focusing on the perception.

You can't change your perception if you can't change your thought process.

[oarabbus]

This methodology is from philosophy.

The thinking is:

1. You have a thought process (imagination and creativity).

2. The thought process is what alters perception.

Therefore, if you can change the thought process, you can change your reality.

This is why exercise and dieting don't work for many people: they are focusing on the perception.

You can't change your perception if you can't change your thought process.


:lol typical Rambo.

Yeah you've got the philosophy part down pat but where you're ****ing up is the science part: Expending more calories than you intake makes you lose weight. No philosophy required, that sh1t will hold true whether or not you're dieting, whether or not you're exercising, and most importantly, whether or not you believe in it.

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This is actually the popular opinion, in fact, most experts will tell you this. I won't argue it will help you lose weight; what I'm more interested in is why is it so hard for people to lose weight knowing this?

If they are motivated, then it goes to reason they will stick to it, but the fact is losing weight has very little to do with cutting out calories but a lot more to do with mentality.

Dieting doesn't work because it is a negative mentality.

Exercise is f*ckin great, but to lose weight, you shouldn't start with it because it is also a negative mentality.

Best way to lose weight? Change your thinking on eating.


For starters, eat only when you are hungry. Sounds simple, but that has a huge implication on losing weight. Too many people eat because they crave food; skinny people who don't exercise only eat when they are hungry.

Therefore, the best way to lose weight is not through counting calories or exercise (although both can help you lose a few pounds), but to change your perception on food itself.


I have the evidence to back it up: if counting calories and duking it out in the gym truly works, then why are people getting fatter?

nice work back tracking :applause: . now you admit lowering calores causes you to lose weight? Regardless of what method you use your still lowering the calories which is what has an effect. As I said the programs that work lower your calories while trying to make you feel full and like your not eating bland crap. At the end of the day it's the lowering calories that makes you lose weight the mentality just helps people stick to it. And no not every skinny person only eats when hungry, some people have faster metabolisms, some people expend more energy in a day, some people have different types of fats and different cells in their body. Your trying to simplify a biological problem with new age bullshit.

changing your mentality is crucial in sticking to a lower calorie diet yes, but the mentality change isn't what causes you to lose weight.

[IamRAMBO24]

However, actually counting calories - meaning that you eat below your maintenance level intake - is not fluff. Just like outbreak said, it's the simplified way to do it but it works.

Burning more calories than you put in is the end all be all for losing weight.

It is fluff.

If you have failed to change your thought process on eating, then cutting out calories and exercising would be a waste of time.

Your body will find a way to regain that weight once you've lost it and it will tell you not to exercise because it is too much work and you won't have time.

You can't change by duking it out; your mind will fight you to retain that thought process, so you are only fighting yourself when you are not focusing on the thing that truly matters.

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It is fluff.

If you have failed to change your thought process on eating, then cutting out calories and exercising would be a waste of time.

Your body will find a way to regain that weight once you've lost it and it will tell you not to exercise because it is too much work and you won't have time.

You can't change by duking it out; your mind will fight you to retain that thought process, so you are only fighting yourself when you are not focusing on the thing that truly matters.

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[IamRAMBO24]

changing your mentality is crucial in sticking to a lower calorie diet yes, but the mentality change isn't what causes you to lose weight.

Mindset has everything to do with losing weight.

I understand it is the popular opinion to hit the gym and cut back on the calories, but it doesn't work because your mind is already set on your cravings and your weight. For example, if you like to eat and you are at 200 pounds, then your mind has already condition itself that you like to eat and that you are comfortable at 200 pounds.

Once the mind is set, it will do everything in it's power to keep it that way. This is why people who diet will regain the weight; this is why people who hit the gym, will feel tired and unmotivated within less than a week. Their mind is fighting them.

[dr.hee]

Mindset has everything to do with losing weight.

I understand it is the popular opinion to hit the gym and cut back on the calories, but it doesn't work because your mind is already set on your cravings and your weight. For example, if you like to eat and you are at 200 pounds, then your mind has already condition itself that you like to eat and that you are comfortable at 200 pounds.

Once the mind is set, it will do everything in it's power to keep it that way. This is why people who diet will regain the weight; this is why people who hit the gym, will feel tired and unmotivated within less than a week. Their mind is fighting them.

Hitting the gym and cutting back calories worked for me :confusedshrug:

GTFO with that pseudo intellectual bullshit :oldlol:

[Jello]

Does anyone take rambo seriously anymore? I thought it was general forum opinion that he's a dumbass. I mean why make the distinction. If you set your mind to exercising and eating right then you will lose weight. Your change of mindset isn't what causes you to lose weight, the physical act is what causes you to lose weight. Stop separating the two you dumbass kuntian.

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Does anyone take rambo seriously anymore? I thought it was general forum opinion that he's a dumbass. I mean why make the distinction. If you set your mind to exercising and eating right then you will lose weight. Your change of mindset isn't what causes you to lose weight, the physical act is what causes you to lose weight. Stop separating the two you dumbass kuntian.

:bowdown:

[IamRAMBO24]

:lol typical Rambo.

Yeah you've got the philosophy part down pat but where you're ****ing up is the science part: Expending more calories than you intake makes you lose weight. No philosophy required, that sh1t will hold true whether or not you're dieting, whether or not you're exercising, and most importantly, whether or not you believe in it.

Philosophy > Science

The mind (philosophy) is more powerful than the body (science). In fact, the mind is what changes the body and makes it it's little b*tch.

This is why Jordan said basketball is 90% mental and 10% physical.

Think about that.

The most physical specimen on earth is saying mentality is more important than body.

Like I said before: every great argument has a genius to back it up.

[dr.hee]

Philosophy > Science

The mind (philosophy) is more powerful than the body (science).

:roll:

[oarabbus]

Hitting the gym and cutting back calories worked for me :confusedshrug:

GTFO with that pseudo intellectual bullshit :oldlol:



Nah bro that may have contributed but it was definitely your mindset :lol

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Philosophy > Science

The mind (philosophy) is more powerful than the body (science). In fact, the mind is what changes the body.

This is why Jordan said basketball is 90% and 10% physical.

Think about that.

The most physical specimen on earth is saying mentality is more important than body.

Like I said before: every great argument has a genius to back it up.


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[dr.hee]

Nah bro that may have contributed but it was definitely your mindset :lol

Absolutely. I changed my perception of food :hammerhead:

My body was conditioned to be happy at 85 kilos, but I avoided a negative mindset to not allow it to find a way to get back to the old weight. Mind > difference between calories coming in and being metabolized.

[oarabbus]

Philosophy > Science

The mind (philosophy) is more powerful than the body (science).


Maybe you should philosophize yourself a car so you can drive to work and get a job. Or philosophize a C-section for a woman the next time the baby isn't coming out right.

Science, creating worthless bullsh1t like automobiles, medicine, and agriculture for millenia :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

Maybe you should philosophize yourself a car so you can drive to work and get a job. Or philosophize a C-section for a woman the next time the baby isn't coming out right.

Science, creating worthless bullsh1t like automobiles, medicine, and agriculture for millenia :oldlol:

Insults.

I'm disappointed.

With such a gifted mind, I'm sure you can take on my premise.

As is, you're just like the others. Dresta making you his little b*tch has made you soft.

Sad.

:facepalm

[dr.hee]

Maybe you should philosophize yourself a car so you can drive to work and get a job. Or philosophize a C-section for a woman the next time the baby isn't coming out right.

Science, creating worthless bullsh1t like automobiles, medicine, and agriculture for millenia :oldlol:

Wrong.

Creation means ideas. Ideas ARE PHILOSOPHY. Therefore philosophy > science. Refute my premise. This is a grown man's discussion, so do your homework before entering an interlectual conversation with a great philosophicist like myself. You should of come better prepared. I expected better from a gifted mind like you. Hopefully this was just an anamoly, and you'll improve from now on.

[Jello]

Insults.

I'm disappointed.

With such a gifted mind, I'm sure you can take on my premise.

As is, you're just like the others. Dresta making you his little b*tch has made you soft.

Sad.

:facepalm
There weren't any insults in his post. Less philosophy, more hooked on phonics

[IamRAMBO24]

difference between calories coming in and being metabolized.

Absolutely.

Mindset = change in eating habits.

Eating habits = change in calorie intake.

You can't lower the intake without the change in mindset.

[dr.hee]

You can't lower the intake without the change in mindset.

Worked for me :confusedshrug:

[oarabbus]

Absolutely.

Mindset = change in eating habits.

Eating habits = change in calorie intake.

You can't lower the intake without the change in mindset.

Are you saying you have to decide to eat less, in order to eat less? You aren't saying anything at all. Even if that were the case, why are Africans and Asians (not the ones in the US) so skinny? Different cultural mindset? :lol


Wrong.

Creation means ideas. Ideas ARE PHILOSOPHY. Therefore philosophy > science. Refute my premise. This is a grown man's discussion, so do your homework before entering an interlectual conversation with a great philosophicist like myself. You should of come better prepared. I expected better from a gifted mind like you. Hopefully this was just an anamoly, and you'll improve from now on.

:roll: :roll:

:applause:

That was fantastic.

[IamRAMBO24]

There weren't any insults in his post. Less philosophy, more hooked on phonics

Oarubus (or whatever the f*ck his name) is getting soft.

Insults are a sign of weakness. His confidence is dwindling after that thread where Dresta handed him a good ole fashion a*s whooping with the side dish.

You know you don't have much of an argument (and admitting defeat) when you result to trolling without a proper rebuttal. *cough* Hee *cough also*

[dr.hee]

Before that simpleton Rambo is writing another long ass essay, here's the amazing way I was able to lose weight without changing my mindset on food. It's even simpler than Rambo's mind...

I still like the same stuff I always did...sweet things and fatty things. The only thing I did in order to cut down calories was to replace unhealty stuff that's tasting sweet and fatty with healthy stuff that's still tasting sweet and fatty. End of story. Easy as f*ck and working well.

In short...mindset before losing weight: "Give me sweet and fatty". Mindset after losing weight: "Give me sweet and fatty."

Nothing more to it confusedshrug:

[IamRAMBO24]

Worked for me :confusedshrug:

Doubt it.

Somewhere before you wanted to lose the weight, I'm pretty sure you were dead set on doing it.

You can't change the body if you can't change the mind. The subconscious mind is an irony, a contradiction. Duking it out is telling it that you're gonna fight it; sure some people can win with pure hard work, but very few will since it is their daddy.

Subconscious mind > conscious mind

[Jello]

Oarubus (or whatever the f*ck his name) is getting soft.

Insults are a sign of weakness. His confidence is dwindling after that thread where Dresta handed him a good ole fashion a*s whooping with the side dish.

You know you don't have much of an argument (and admitting defeat) when you result to trolling without a proper rebuttal. *cough* Hee *cough also*
wat

[dr.hee]

Doubt it.

Somewhere before you wanted to lose the weight, I'm pretty sure you were dead set on doing it.

You can't change the body if you can't change the mind. The subconscious mind is an irony, a contradiction. Duking it out is telling it that you're gonna fight it; sure some people can win with pure hard work, but very few will since it is their daddy.

Subconscious mind > conscious mind

Nope. Didn't change anything except replacing calorie heavy stuff with healthier products that give me comparable tasting sensations. Why? Because I'm lazy as f*ck. Who gives a shit about mindset if I'm automatically losing weight because of the stuff I'm eating while retaining every kind of taste I liked before? As easy as it gets. The only thing that's changed are the products I'm using to create the same kinds of tastes. And I always did a lot of sports, so working out is fun for me.

Just as I said, your pseudo intellectual bullshit doesn't apply here. Sorry.

[oarabbus]

Nope. Didn't change anything except replacing calorie heavy stuff with healthier products that give me comparable tasting sensations. Why? Because I'm lazy as f*ck. That way, I don't even have to try. Who gives a shit about mindset if I'm automatically losing weight because of the stuff I'm eating while retaining every kind of taste I liked before? As easy as it gets.


I think it's literally causing him pain that you lost weight through the sound principles of science instead of philosophizing about the change in mindset that is a necessary prerequisite to stimulate the subconsious mind to lose weight.

[dr.hee]

I think it's literally causing him pain that you lost weight through the sound principles of science instead of philosophizing about the change in mindset that is a necessary prerequisite to stimulate the subconsious mind to lose weight.

Okay, I gotta admit...I was trolling the whole time. You can't lose weight by using healthy products that taste just as good as unhealty ones and doing sports you always liked. It's impossible, and you fell for it. That ether, I'm living rent free in your head.

The truth is...I've spent the last year in uninterrupted contemplative self reflection, losing a substantial amount of weight by not leaving this pose for a whole year

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In other news...Rambo is a fat f*ck and rationalizing his inability to get his ass away from his laptop.

[IamRAMBO24]

I think it's literally causing him pain that you lost weight through the sound principles of science instead of philosophizing about the change in mindset that is a necessary prerequisite to stimulate the subconsious mind to lose weight.

"Basketball is 90% mental and 10% physical." - Jordan

I'm sure you've heard of this quote before and prob just brush it off as something that is irrelevant since you are under the belief system that the mind has very little to do with the body.

But why did he say it?

Think more about this.

He is one of the most physically fit athlete in history.

Why didn't he just say "YO JUSTA DUKE IT OUT IN THE GYMZ AND YOUZ WILL BE LIKE MEEEZ OH YESSIR MAKE SURE YOU CUT BACK ON DEM CALORIES!!!"

Surely if it's just about the gym and calories, it would go to reason he would say basketball is 90% physical and 10% mental. Correct?

[dr.hee]

"Basketball is 90% mental and 10% physical." - Jordan

I'm sure you've heard of this quote before and prob just brush it off as something that is irrelevant since you are under the belief that the mind has very little do with the body.

But why did he say it?

Think more about this.

He is one of the most physically fit athlete in history.

Why didn't he just say "YO JUSTA DUKE IT OUT IN THE GYM AND YOU WILL BE LIKE MEEEZ OH YESSIR MAKE SURE YOU CUT BACK ON DEM CALORIES!!!"

Surely if it's just about the gym and calories, it would go to reason he would say basketball is 90% physical and 10% mental. Correct?

Source for the Jordan quote?

Also, no matter where you got this from...why are you comparing this stuff? Are you brain damaged? Serious question.

[oarabbus]

"Basketball is 90% mental and 10% physical." - Jordan

Bunch of irrelevant sh1t
[/B]

Dude none of that has anything to do with OPs question about his high school's food and losing weight

[tpols]

Does anyone take rambo seriously anymore? I thought it was general forum opinion that he's a dumbass. I mean why make the distinction. If you set your mind to exercising and eating right then you will lose weight. Your change of mindset isn't what causes you to lose weight, the physical act is what causes you to lose weight. Stop separating the two you dumbass kuntian.
The mindset is what keeps the physical act occurring in the long term.. hes kinda right

[IamRAMBO24]

Source for the Jordan quote?

Also, no matter where you got this from...why are you comparing this stuff? Are you brain damaged? Serious question.

1. Jordan had a mindset.

2. That mindset was what drove him to be the greatest.

3. Without that mindset, he wouldn't work as hard as he did.

Telling someone to just exercise and cut their calories is skipping the most important factor: mindset.

For that person to actually be successful at excercising and cutting calories they need the mindset even before they set their foot on the treadmill or subscribe to Jenny Craig.

You can't just skip the starting point and expect success. Sure some people might succeed, but through duking it out they were finally able to change the mindset and keep on going.

If they failed to change the mindset, they will regain the weight and give up exercise altogether.

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Dude none of that has anything to do with OPs question about his high school's food and losing weight
your not viewing the response with the correct mindset hence your existing mindset is stopping your current thoughts from being processed the way you want them to. Your body is literally fighting your brain and preventing you from understanding how the post relates to eating school food and losing weight. It's so simple if you just change your mindset.

[IamRAMBO24]

your not viewing the response with the correct mindset hence your existing mindset is stopping your current thoughts from being processed the way you want them to. Your body is literally fighting your brain and preventing you from understanding how the post relates to eating school food and losing weight. It's so simple if you just change your mindset.

Dr Hee > You

In the mocking department. At least Hee has wit; you're just copying his style and lack the creativity.

I am quite flatter to have such great posters feel so threaten by me to stoop this low with childish mockery.

Thanks.

The both of you have indirectly propped me up.

[Bandito]

Before that simpleton Rambo is writing another long ass essay, here's the amazing way I was able to lose weight without changing my mindset on food. It's even simpler than Rambo's mind...

I still like the same stuff I always did...sweet things and fatty things. The only thing I did in order to cut down calories was to replace unhealty stuff that's tasting sweet and fatty with healthy stuff that's still tasting sweet and fatty. End of story. Easy as f*ck and working well.

In short...mindset before losing weight: "Give me sweet and fatty". Mindset after losing weight: "Give me sweet and fatty."

Nothing more to it confusedshrug:
Not a bad idea, I guess you eat way more fruits now.:applause:

[Bandito]

Why are people feeding the troll? IamRambo is just circling the same argument to show he's right. he doesn't even answer to the posts, he just picks the things he wants to answer and leave it at that.

[IamRAMBO24]

Why are people feeding the troll? IamRambo is just circling the same argument to show he's right. he doesn't even answer to the posts, he just picks the things he wants to answer and leave it at that.

Incorrect.

The discussion is pretty simple:

1. I believe you have to change the mindset to lose weight.

2. My opponents believe you have to cut calories and hit the gym if you want results.

3. I counter the argument with a simple question: how can you cut the calories or be successful in the gym without the proper mindset to begin with?

4. I then formulated a conclusion: focus on the mind and not the body.

5. Not only did I have the evidence to back up my argument, but I also had a supporting credible source (Jordan) to lend full credibility to my premise.

6. As a result, the opposition is trolling because they can't argue pound for pound worth a f*ck.

[oarabbus]

your not viewing the response with the correct mindset hence your existing mindset is stopping your current thoughts from being processed the way you want them to. Your body is literally fighting your brain and preventing you from understanding how the post relates to eating school food and losing weight. It's so simple if you just change your mindset.

:lol of course, it all makes sense now

[outbreak]

:lol of course, it all makes sense now

why are you laughing? my attempt a mockery wasn't funny it was lame and hee > me.

[Bandito]

Incorrect.

The discussion is pretty simple:

1. I believe you have to change the mindset to lose weight.

2. My opponents believe you have to cut calories and hit the gym if you want results.

3. I counter the argument with a simple question: how can you cut the calories or be successful in the gym without the proper mindset to begin with?

4. I then formulated a conclusion: focus on the mind and not the body.

5. Not only did I have the evidence to back up my argument, but I also had a supporting credible source (Jordan) to lend full credibility to my premise.

6. As a result, the opposition is trolling because they can't argue pound for pound worth a f*ck.
Andrew Bynum trumps your logic though. He is a NBA player but doesn't have the mindset to be one though. Explain that.

My sister doesn't have the mindset to hit the gym all year and she's fat.

But she always go for three months and quit because she doesn't have the mindset, but she loses weight because she goes to the gym, pick up weight and do cardio, every year from Jan to march (approximately, this year she started end of Jan and she is already on her way to call it quits) and then quits.

No mindset but she loses weight. Losing weight is not that hard, you just need discipline in order to keep it away, a lot of discipline.

[IamRAMBO24]

hee > me.

Yup.

Stop copying Hee. Trust me, he's been trolling me for quite some time now and I know his style.

You're just a wannabee. I'm pretty sure you saw one of his post and you were like, "HOLY SHITZ! HE SO FUNNY! I NEEDSA BE LIKE HIM!"

Come up with your own persona.,

Lame.

[IamRAMBO24]

Andrew Bynum trumps your logic though. He is a NBA player but doesn't have the mindset to be one though. Explain that.

Bynum is no Jordan.

Premise refuted.

Try again.

[Bandito]

Bynum is no Jordan.

Premise refuted.

Try again.
But he is better than most of the STARTING centers in the NBA, premise refuted yet again. ALso read my edit.

[Bandito]

My sister doesn't have the mindset to hit the gym all year and she's fat.

But she always go for three months and quit because she doesn't have the mindset, but she loses weight because she goes to the gym, pick up weight and do cardio, every year from Jan to march (approximately, this year she started end of Jan and she is already on her way to call it quits) and then quits.

No mindset but she loses weight. Losing weight is not that hard, you just need discipline in order to keep it away, a lot of discipline.


Posted it again...stop answering so fast breh! I always edit my posts...

[IamRAMBO24]

My sister doesn't have the mindset to hit the gym all year and she's fat.

But she always go for three months and quit because she doesn't have the mindset, but she loses weight because she goes to the gym, pick up weight and do cardio, every year from Jan to march (approximately, this year she started end of Jan and she is already on her way to call it quits) and then quits.

No mindset but she loses weight. Losing weight is not that hard, you just need discipline in order to keep it away, a lot of discipline.


Posted it again...stop answering so fast breh! I always edit my posts...

You said it: discipline.

That is a mindset.

You defeated your argument by contradicting yourself without knowing.

:facepalm

To recover from this embarrassment, explain to me how discipline doesn't start with mindset.

I'm dying for this explanation.

[Bandito]

You said it: discipline.

That is a mindset.

You defeated your argument by contradicting yourself without knowing.

:facepalm

To recover from this embarrassment, explain to me how discipline doesn't start with mindset.

I'm dying for this explanation.
Again you ignore everything about the example I use about my sister in order to refute your argument.:facepalm


I see what you did there...exactly what I've said before. You ignore everything that refute your arguments. And I don't think I ever said you're wrong, because I do agree with you.

But that doesn't mean you can't lose weight just by doing exercise and dieting for a couple of months. Losing weight to be skinny it's easy. It's keeping it that way now that is hard.

[IamRAMBO24]

Again you ignore everything about the example I use about my sister in order to refute your argument.:facepalm


I see what you did there...exactly what I've said before. You ignore everything that refute your arguments. And I don't think I ever said you're wrong, because I do agree with you.

But that doesn't mean you can't lose weight just by doing exercise and dieting for a couple of months. Losing weight to be skinny it's easy. It's keeping it that way now that is hard.

I only deal with logic. This means I will only focus on your point and ignore the rubbish you try to rationalize.

You said your sister was able to discipline herself to lose that weight. So explain to me how that is not a mindset.

Skip the bullsh*t homeboy and focus on the points.

[Bandito]

I only deal with logic. This means I will only focus on your point and ignore the rubbish you try to rationalize.

You said your sister was able to discipline herself to lose that weight. So explain to me how that is not a mindset.

Skip the bullsh*t homeboy and focus on the points.
Discipline don't last three months but a lifetime boy. My point is doing things halfheartedly will work to an extent. In her case she lost some pounds and then got it back because she quit eating healthy and exercising for the rest of the year.

Read between the lines. You call yourself a philosopher don't you?

That is why you don't skip school:facepalm

[gigantes]

dr. hee, come on. the challenge as always is to see which ways rambo (and life) is correct, avoiding the narcissistic detours as a part of the process.


step it up, brokowski.

[dr.hee]

dr. hee, come on. the challenge as always is to see which ways rambo (and life) is correct, avoiding the narcissistic detours as a part of the process.


step it up, brokowski.

It was like 2 a.m. over here, just wanted to have some fun. Writing stupid stuff on ISH effectively prevented me from studying. Cool. So if I f*ck up exams, I can thank Rambo for that, lol. Education is a prison anyway. Just ask Benjamin Bloom. So it's for the best probably.

Maybe the answer is some pseudo profound shit like..."Everything is 100% mental and 100% physical.". Sounds good to me. But my mindset could be wrong to begin with.

[gigantes]

maybe you're just tired.

maybe we all are.

[russwest0]

dieting is simple, just find the balance of calorie restriction that doesn't but your body in starvation mode.

don't know why fatasses have a hard time doing this, they eat a shitton of food for 6 days of week and get guilty and starve themselves for one day as if that helps

[IamRAMBO24]

It was like 2 a.m. over here, just wanted to have some fun. Writing stupid stuff on ISH effectively prevented me from studying. Cool. So if I f*ck up exams, I can thank Rambo for that, lol. Education is a prison anyway. Just ask Benjamin Bloom. So it's for the best probably.

Maybe the answer is some pseudo profound shit like..."Everything is 100% mental and 100% physical.". Sounds good to me. But my mindset could be wrong to begin with.

If you want to succeed in school, then change your mindset about education.

1. Don't try to understand anything; focus on the key topics, vocabs, and notes and memorize that sh*t. Repitition. Repitition. And more repitition. Don't spend an extra ounce of energy trying to understand it. Textbooks are written in a way to prevent you from understanding, so read books from other sources if you want to understand the higher concepts and ideas. This will take extra effort, but once you understand it, memorization comes easy. If you don't want to do that, then just use repitition and mnemonics. Visualization helps wonders with memorization too, so apply that.

2. Don't see it as a time to play with your new sense of freedom. Treat it as a new career where you have to show up and give your 100%. Oftentimes, most of us are under this spell that college is all about partying and slacking off. To be successful, you have to be serious about it. Society actually wants you to slack off and treat it nonchalantly with their propaganda in movies and television. They don't give a f*ck what you do in 12th grade to set you up with the slacker mentality when you go off to college, so don't fall for this sh*t. The system doesn't want you to succeed, so know their game and beat them at it.

3. College is easy. It is only hard because we have a misconception of it. Correct your mindset and show up to class.

[dr.hee]

If you want to succeed in school, then change your mindset about education.

1. Don't try to understand anything; focus on the key topics, vocabs, and notes and memorize that sh*t. Repitition. Repitition. And more repitition. Don't spend an extra ounce of energy trying to understand it. Textbooks are written in a way to prevent you from understanding, so read books from other sources if you want to understand the higher concepts and ideas. This will take extra effort, but once you understand it, memorization comes easy. If you don't want to do that, then just use repitition and mnemonics. Visualization helps wonders with memorization too, so apply that.

2. Don't see it as a time to play with your new sense of freedom. Treat it as a new career where you have to show up and give your 100%. Oftentimes, most of us are under this spell that college is all about partying and slacking off. To be successful, you have to be serious about it.

3. College is easy. It is only hard because we have a misconception of it. Correct your mindset and show up to class.

You've never been to college, right? At least not in Europe, where I'm at. But still...amazingly insightful post. Will take me years to digest all the substance probably. If I'm able to retain the information. Repitition is the key to that. I will repit your post daily. Repition, repitition, repitition. That's even more impotent then good grammer.

[IamRAMBO24]

You've never been to college, right? At least not in Europe, where I'm at. But still...amazingly insightful post. Will take me years to digest all the substance probably. If I'm able to retain the information. Repitition is the key to that. I will repit your post daily. Repition, repitition, repitition. That's even more impotent then good grammer.

I dominated highschool and college. I knew the system. It didn't want me to be smart; it didn't want me to succeed, so all I had to do was focus on what it wanted and beat it at its own game.

1. If I wanted to understand something, I would hit up barnes n nobles to read real authors who were passionate about the subject.

2. Instead of going to the 12th grade, I took night classes to get the extra units and graduated within less than a month while my classmates f*cked off in their senior year, lost their motivation, and then entered college being nothing more than slackers feeding off of their financial aid, scholarship, and student loans on drugs and booze.

3. I knew the system wanted me to fail in my senior year, so I took great strides to tough it out and made sure I didn't.

[DonD13]

No.

Be wary of just counting calories. It's all bullsh*t. It's not how low your calorie intake is, it is how your body process that intake. Merely adding calories and trying to beat it through exercise won't work.

This is why fat people never get skinny through exercising and cutting calories.

Bold statement.

But this is the philosopher speaking and you know he's got some ammunition to back up his statements.

Fire away.

this.

calories and exercise have nothing to do with getting fat, ad-hoc like.

that's what Obama wants you to think, who is controlled by the aliens.

I mean, just look at the wikipedia article about calories:



In scientific contexts, the term calorie almost always refers to the small calorie. Even though it is not an SI unit, it is still used in chemistry. For example, the energy released in a chemical reaction per mole of reagent is occasionally expressed in kilocalorie per mole.[8][9] This use is largely due to the ease with which it can be calculated in laboratory reactions, especially in aqueous solution; a volume of reagent dissolved in water forming a solution, with concentration expressed in moles per liter (1 liter weighing 1 kg), will induce a temperature change in degrees Celsius in the total volume of water solvent, and these quantities (volume, molar concentration and temperature change) can then be used to calculate kcal/mol. It is also occasionally used to specify energy quantities that relate to reaction energy, such as enthalpy of formation and the size of activation barriers. However, its use is being superseded by the SI joule unit.


I don't expect you guys to see it since you been so brainwashed by the useless education system.

only few brilliant minds like me, Rambo or Kant can see behind the matrix (best movie ever).

[IamRAMBO24]

this.

calories and exercise have nothing to do with getting fat, ad-hoc like.

that's what Obama wants you to think, who is controlled by the aliens.

I mean, just look at the wikipedia article about calories:



I don't expect you guys to see it since you been so brainwashed by the useless education system.

only few brilliant minds like me, Rambo or Kant can see behind the matrix (best movie ever).

Yup.

That is exactly my premise. I have the evidence to back it up:

1. If dieting works, then why do so many people regain the weight?

2. If exercising works, then why do they give up so easily?

It is all about mindset homeboy. The ones who succeed are the ones who changed that mindset and not the other way around.

This is a blatant misconception of losing weight by not only the majority of the population but professional doctors and nutritionists as well.

This is also the reason why the population is getting fatter and not thinner. If the thinking on dieting is correct, then it should work. Simple logic.

The evidences speak for themselves.

[Bandito]

I dominated highschool and college. I knew the system. It didn't want me to be smart; it didn't want me to succeed, so all I had to do was focus on what it wanted and beat it at its own game.

1. If I wanted to understand something, I would hit up barnes n nobles to read real authors who were passionate about the subject.

2. Instead of going to the 12th grade, I took night classes to get the extra units and graduated within less than a month while my classmates f*cked off in their senior year, lost their motivation, and then entered college being nothing more than slackers feeding off of their financial aid, scholarship, and student loans on drugs and booze.

3. I knew the system wanted me to fail in my senior year, so I took great strides to tough it out and made sure I didn't.
This guy:lol

Hes doing exactly what I said. Dont feed the troll.

[Bush4Ever]

Counting calories is true as far as it goes.

But please understand that in both weight loss and general health, not all calories are created equal (so to speak). Different foods signal different information to your body and influence your feelings of hunger and other physical information (controlling for calories taken).

That's why you can knock out 1000 calories of ice cream with ease, but would struggle eating 1000 calories worth of carrots.

You should count calories, but you should focus more on the quality of food you are putting into your body. If you are putting in quality food, it is much easier to not overeat. There is quite a bit of research on this point if you are motivated to look.

[gigantes]

...That is exactly my premise. I have the evidence to back it up:

1. If dieting works, then why do so many people regain the weight?

2. If exercising works, then why do they give up so easily? ...
1. because dieting as commonly conducted seems to be an incomplete attempt to address the full, actual problem.

that doesn't mean that caloric and exercise mgmt are ineffective, though. you need to stop saying that shit, because it's simply not true. what you're really trying to say is that there are complexities to the situation, but that fact still doesn't negate the other reality. stop conflating.


2. exercise solely for the purpose of weight-loss? those who do give it up probably do so because it's just not very fun that way. it becomes oppressive, in fact. but instead of running on treadmills and boring stuff like that, i think people are better off playing some kind of sport, even if it's less aerobic. i.e., get the mind involved in the activity, and exercise becomes lots of fun.

[IamRAMBO24]

1. because dieting as commonly conducted seems to be an incomplete attempt to address the full, actual problem.

that doesn't mean that caloric and exercise mgmt are ineffective, though. you need to stop saying that shit, because it's simply not true. what you're really trying to say is that there are complexities to the situation, but that fact still doesn't negate the other reality. stop conflating.


2. exercise solely for the purpose of weight-loss? those who do give it up probably do so because it's just not very fun that way. it becomes oppressive, in fact. but instead of running on treadmills and boring stuff like that, i think people are better off playing some kind of sport, even if it's less aerobic. i.e., get the mind involved in the activity, and exercise becomes lots of fun.

1. It is ineffective because too many times when people diet they will regain the weight. When they exercise, they will give up. This is why the nutritionists and the government guideline should only focus on the mindset instead of calories in and out. It is a scientific approach and science has failed miserably when it comes to health.

2. Science is the antithesis of health. Sure it has its moments (such as the polio vaccine), but this approach has done more harm to society than actually helping. GMOs, , pharmaceutical drugs, additives and other chemicals in foods, etc. More people are dying because of Science. Let's be real and admit scientist don't know wtf they are talking about when it comes to health. The evidence is in the outcome.

3. People give up exercise because they are not focused on the mind. Science tells them to focus on the body and watch their calories; what these people don't realize is that they can't change their bodies unless they change their mindset first and foremost. You can't start a fire without lighting a match.

[outbreak]

1. It is ineffective because too many times when people diet they will regain the weight. When they exercise, they will give up. This is why the nutritionists and the government guideline should only focus on the mindset instead of calories in and out. It is a scientific approach and science has failed miserably when it comes to health.

2. Science is the antithesis of health. Sure it has its moments (such as the polio vaccine), but this approach has done more harm to society than actually helping. GMOs, , pharmaceutical drugs, additives and other chemicals in foods, etc. More people are dying because of Science. Let's be real and admit scientist don't know wtf they are talking about when it comes to health. The evidence is in the outcome.

3. People give up exercise because they are not focused on the mind. Science tells them to focus on the body and watch their calories; what these people don't realize is that they can't change their bodies unless they change their mindset first and foremost. You can't start a fire without lighting a match.

:sleeping

[gigantes]

1. It is ineffective because too many times when people diet they will regain the weight. When they exercise, they will give up. This is why the nutritionists and the government guideline should only focus on the mindset instead of calories in and out. It is a scientific approach and science has failed miserably when it comes to health.

2. Science is the antithesis of health. Sure it has its moments (such as the polio vaccine), but this approach has done more harm to society than actually helping. GMOs, , pharmaceutical drugs, additives and other chemicals in foods, etc. More people are dying because of Science. Let's be real and admit scientist don't know wtf they are talking about when it comes to health. The evidence is in the outcome.

3. People give up exercise because they are not focused on the mind. Science tells them to focus on the body and watch their calories; what these people don't realize is that they can't change their bodies unless they change their mindset first and foremost. You can't start a fire without lighting a match.
very little of that really adds anything to what i just said, and as an unwanted bonus, you sound more and more like an obsessive psychopath with every post.

is your ulterior mission here to ask for help, because it sure sounds like you are asking for help.

[IamRAMBO24]

very little of that really adds anything to what i just said, and as an unwanted bonus, you sound more and more like an obsessive psychopath with every post.

is your ulterior mission here to ask for help, because it sure sounds like you are asking for help.

Sounds a lot like you are caving in.

[Riley Martin]

Science is the antithesis of health. More people are dying because of Science. Let's be real and admit scientist don't know wtf they are talking about when it comes to health. The evidence is in the outcome.

:facepalm

[gigantes]

Sounds a lot like you are caving in.
then i suggest you listen more accurately.

[IamRAMBO24]

:facepalm

My reasoning is simple and it comes from Hegel:

1. We have a thought process that alters and controls the body; science coins this the subconscious mind. It dictates the impulses and desires.

2. We live in a world of contradictiosn because the impulses fight the conscious mind: when you tell yourself you need to exercise and diet, your subconscious mind will say, "No I am comfortable at this weight and I like to eat," hence why it is nearly impossible to lose weight if you don't change your mindset.

To lose weight, you have to change that mindset first and foremost. Science's biggest blunder is its inability to understand this mindset. Focusing on the body won't help you lose weight no matter how hard you try.

[Jello]

:roll:

[dude77]

I guess y'all have something personal against rambo or something because you're mocking him for nothing .. he's right .. you have to have the right mindset in place to lose weight and keep it off for good .. you have to have the right mindset to do anything and see it through to the end .. this is common fkn sense

[Riley Martin]

I guess y'all have something personal against rambo or something because you're mocking him for nothing .. he's right .. you have to have the right mindset in place to lose weight and keep it off for good .. you have to have the right mindset to do anything and see it through to the end .. this is common fkn sense

He's saying more than have the right mindset. He's saying science is killing people. That any scientific approach to health is worthless and we should essentially disregard the body for the mind/spirit.

[IamRAMBO24]

He's saying more than have the right mindset. He's saying science is killing people. That any scientific approach to health is worthless and we should essentially disregard the body for the mind/spirit.

The advancements of Science in the food industry has done more harm to society than helping. Even in medicine, we're over drugging our kids.

If you look at the facts, it is a fair assessment. We are less healthier today than 100 years ago.

[IamRAMBO24]

He's saying more than have the right mindset. He's saying science is killing people. That any scientific approach to health is worthless and we should essentially disregard the body for the mind/spirit.

The mind controls the body.

The subconscious mind is the body's mind. Philosophy calls this the thought substance. Thought substance dictates reality. Imagination creates reality, therefore to alter the body, you have to change the mindset, and not the other way around.

For example, if you are lazy and find working out is a chore, but you go to the gym anyway to tough it out, most likely you won't last for very long.

On the other hand, if you change your mindset and is determine to do it, then there's really no stopping you.

You can't change yourself by trying to change the body; you gotta change that mindset first.

[dr.hee]

We are less healthier today than 100 years ago.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/images/stories/graphs/us-life-1900-1998.jpg

We are less healthier? You really think people were less unhealthier back then? Then why are we living more longerer today and there are less children dying earlier?

Maybe you're redefining the meaning of "healthier" in order to fit it into your agenda. But still...living today till 80 > dying in your 40s 100 years ago. My grandparents are still alive and remember Germany getting f*cked up by war and it wasn't better back then at all. They're in their 80s, playing video games and watching high definition TV while being healthier and having a higher standard of living than anybody would've imagined 100 years ago. It's just better today. There's a lot you can criticize about the present. But health? Give me a break.

[gigantes]

I guess y'all have something personal against rambo or something because you're mocking him for nothing .. he's right .. you have to have the right mindset in place to lose weight and keep it off for good .. you have to have the right mindset to do anything and see it through to the end .. this is common fkn sense
and my larger point is that it's more than just a mindset. it's a learning process, a series of experiments, mistakes and adjustments.

the idea that you just roll in to a situation and use your same old grab bag of mentalities just sounds idiotic to me. solving significant problems requires more than just attitude.

in the case of a diet, you have to manage the kcals and the exercise AND understand that the process is probably more involved than you realise AND keep learning and studying about the foods you eat, what the detailed consequences are, see how your body reacts, and adjust accordingly.

and probably some more stuff that i'm forgetting.

the main reason i'm annoyed with rambo right now is because he wants to be a lecturer and not a collaborator on this issue (as usual). which is probably why most people around here don't like him. that, and the fact that he keeps trying to bait people in to the same small collection of would-be traps.

kevinNYC recently took rambo up on the kant business, the way he had previously claimed he wanted to be challenged, and then rambo pretty much ran away. i'm always willing to entertain anyone's ideas, but that's not respect points in my book.

i say admit when you're mistaken, try to let go of your ego, become a better person, move on, pay it forward or back. that's the way i respect.

meh.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/images/stories/graphs/us-life-1900-1998.jpg

We are less healthier? You really think people were less unhealthier back then? Then why are we living more longerer today and there are less children dying earlier?

Maybe you're redefining the meaning of "healthier" in order to fit it into your agenda. But still...living today till 80 > dying in your 40s 100 years ago. My grandparents are still alive and remember Germany getting f*cked up by war and it wasn't better back then at all. They're in their 80s, playing video games and watching high definition TV while being healthier and having a higher standard of living than anybody would've imagined 100 years ago. It's just better today. There's a lot you can criticize about the present. But health? Give me a break.

We are less healthier because of what we are eating. I am talking about in the past 20-30 years. Yes I would absolutely say the general population is getting sicker and dying at a faster rate.

Life expectancy doesn't mean sh*t because it doesn't take into consideration chronic and health conditions that will lower the life expectancy.

[IamRAMBO24]

kevinNYC recently took rambo up on the kant business, the way he had previously claimed he wanted to be challenged, and then rambo pretty much ran away. i'm always willing to entertain anyone's ideas, but that's not respect points in my book.



Link?

Rambo never runs from an argument. Period.

[oarabbus]

Link?

Rambo never runs from an argument. Period.


You also ran away in that topic you made about Stephen "Hawkins" being a Kantian. In the end of the topic, I thoroughly shredded your post and false claims about Einstein being heavily influenced by Kant. Mr. Shlver agreed, and you responded to someone else and changed the topic.

[step_back]

Try to cut out junk like soda if you can, however don't starve yourself. In all honesty at your age simply going for a 30/40 min run each night will make you lose weight because you have the beauty of youth on your side. Just keep it up because you want to aim for a healthy lifestyle that carries over into adult life.

I see a lot of middle aged guys at my gym trying to shift years of fat off their body and it almost always ends in failure.

[dr.hee]

Yes I would absolutely say the general population is getting sicker and dying at a faster rate.

Could you elaborate that? How are you defining 1) gettting sicker, 2) dying at a faster rate? Just so we're talking about the same thing.

[IamRAMBO24]

You also ran away in that topic you made about Stephen "Hawkins" being a Kantian. In the end of the topic, I thoroughly shredded your post and false claims about Einstein being heavily influenced by Kant. Mr. Shlver agreed, and you responded to someone else and changed the topic.

Dresta took over the discussion; I generally slide off when he takes over. There was no need for me to engage any further since you were getting your a*s pounded pretty hard.

http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/imported_images/i665.photobucket.com/1270026316_anderson-silva-rape.gif

[Raymone]

This asian dropout is remarkable.

[IamRAMBO24]

Could you elaborate that? How are you defining 1) gettting sicker, 2) dying at a faster rate? Just so we're talking about the same thing.
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13053268-were-getting-sicker-more-americans-have-a-chronic-health-condition?lite

[step_back]

Could you elaborate that? How are you defining 1) gettting sicker, 2) dying at a faster rate? Just so we're talking about the same thing.

I know I'm not Rambo but he is definitely on the right path with diet.

Here is a nut shell idea.

The human body recycles its cells. Everything from tissue in the heart to finger nails. It does this using our own DNA as the blueprint. In order to recycle it needs energy (Calories) and tools (Vitamins, minerals etc) This comes from our food which is why we need a healthy diet. Eating junk food which contains very little nutrients means cells do not have everything it needs to recycle its self. Over a long period of time cells gradually lose their integrity until they eventually corrupt.

A corrupt cell is cancer. I think the rise in cancer is directly linked to poor eating. Obesity is on the rise and so is cancer. I put two and two together.


P.S I have absolutely no credentials at all, this has just come from reading and attending lectures.

[oarabbus]

Dresta took over the discussion; I generally slide off when he takes over. There was no need for me to engage any further since you were getting your a*s pounded pretty hard.

http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/imported_images/i665.photobucket.com/1270026316_anderson-silva-rape.gif


:lol I don't think I'll get a legitimate response out of you but

Stop hiding behind Dresta, not to mention that he was championing Hume and criticizing Kant as well.

The only way you could possibly construe what occurred as me getting "owned" is the part where I manned up and admitted that I didn't know enough about Hume. That's called being a man and acknowledging that you were wrong, where I'm from. Not to mention there were some obvious and glaring flaws in his argument, which I pointed out, and he rectified those. There was an intelligent discussion, the one thing that's true is that you weren't involved in that part.

I can't stop you from running away from arguments but damn, quit hiding behind another poster.


edit: not to mention you never left that thread, you definitely did not "slide off" :oldlol:

[dr.hee]

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13053268-were-getting-sicker-more-americans-have-a-chronic-health-condition?lite

Thanks, that's the first one. What about "dying at a faster rate"?

[Riley Martin]

We are less healthier today than 100 years ago.

Yes I would absolutely say the general population is getting sicker and dying at a faster rate.

Life expectancy doesn't mean sh*t

I disagree on all 3 counts.


http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/31/13053268-were-getting-sicker-more-americans-have-a-chronic-health-condition?lite

"Science" isn't giving people these chronic conditions. Increasingly sedentary lifestyles is, to name one factor. Poor diets. Abusing one's body with recreational substances. If anything, science has allowed people to get away with these things because they'll be able to receive treatment and continue on. If you sat on your ass all day in 1814 and developed type 2 diabetes, it would more likely just give you an early death. But today with the advancements in medicine and science, you probably won't be killed from it. With blood sugar monitoring, insulin therapy, bariatric surgery, prescribed diets and exercise programs you can live with a condition like that today where you could never do so in past centuries.

[IamRAMBO24]

:lol I don't think I'll get a legitimate response out of you but

Stop hiding behind Dresta, not to mention that he was championing Hume and criticizing Kant as well.

The only way you could possibly construe what occurred as me getting "owned" is the part where I manned up and admitted that I didn't know enough about Hume. That's called being a man and acknowledging that you were wrong, where I'm from. Not to mention there were some obvious and glaring flaws in his argument, which I pointed out, and he rectified those. There was an intelligent discussion, the one thing that's true is that you weren't involved in that part.

I can't stop you from running away from arguments but damn, quit hiding behind another poster.


edit: not to mention you never left that thread, you definitely did not "slide off" :oldlol:

Have you read Kant's space and time?

You didn't own sh*t.

[IamRAMBO24]

I disagree on all 3 counts.



"Science" isn't giving people these chronic conditions. Increasingly sedentary lifestyles is, to name one factor. Poor diets. Abusing one's body with recreational substances. If anything, science has allowed people to get away with these things because they'll be able to receive treatment and continue on. If you sat on your ass all day in 1814 and developed type 2 diabetes, it would more likely just give you an early death. But today with the advancements in medicine and science, you probably won't be killed from it. With blood sugar monitoring, insulin therapy, bariatric surgery, prescribed diets and exercise programs you can live with a condition like that today where you could never do so in past centuries.

Poor diets - diets are much poorer because of chemicals in foods from modern production methods.

As a result we are seeing a plethora of diseases that weren't prevalant 30 years ago.

[oarabbus]

Have you read Kant's space and time?

You didn't own sh*t.

:lol I owned you thoroughly, over and over.

See how easy it is? "You got ass raped in that argument" "you didn't own sh*t" yeah anyone can type those words.


http://www.academia.edu/248944/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_I_The _Early_Influence_of_Kants_System_of_Perspectives

http://www.academia.edu/3307162/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_II_Si multaneity_Synthetic_Apriority_and_the_Mystical

Kant provided a rough framework for certain ideas that are espoused in Special Relativity, but certainly did not provide any explicit statements which resulted in the theory of General Relativity.

As stated by Palmquist, Einstein was deeply and heavily into Kant.... as a teenager. Decades before GR/SR were published :lol


Anyway, we're talking about how to lose weight. You can go back to that thread if you want to relive it. You have continued to ignore Dr. Hee calling you out about us dying faster as of today also.



Poor diets - diets are much poorer because of chemicals in foods from modern production methods.

As a result we are seeing a plethora of diseases that weren't prevalant 30 years ago.


Like... Smallpox, Polio, Leprosy, Scurvy, and Malaria (to an extent)?

Oh wait, those were diseases that have been eradicated by science. Oops. How about back in 1918, back before our evil modern scientific methods causing us horrible diseases which weren't "prevalant" (there's your inevitable Rambo-Typo-While-Trying-To-Sound-Smart)


Oh shit actually we had a global flu pandemic which killed over 50 million people back then, and haven't seen anything even relatively on that scale since largely due to the advancement of medicine and illness containment.

[IamRAMBO24]

:lol I owned you thoroughly, over and over.

See how easy it is? "You got ass raped in that argument" "you didn't own sh*t" yeah anyone can type those words.


http://www.academia.edu/248944/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_I_The _Early_Influence_of_Kants_System_of_Perspectives

http://www.academia.edu/3307162/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_II_Si multaneity_Synthetic_Apriority_and_the_Mystical

Kant provided a rough framework for certain ideas that are espoused in Special Relativity, but certainly did not provide any explicit statements which resulted in the theory of General Relativity.

As stated by Palmquist, Einstein was deeply and heavily into Kant.... as a teenager. Decades before GR/SR were published :lol


Anyway, we're talking about how to lose weight. You can go back to that thread if you want to relive it. You have continued to ignore Dr. Hee calling you out about us dying faster as of today also.





Like... Smallpox, Polio, Leprosy, Scurvy, and Malaria (to an extent)?

Oh wait, those were diseases that have been eradicated by science. Oops. How about back in 1918, back before our evil modern scientific methods causing us horrible diseases which weren't "prevalant" (there's your inevitable Rambo-Typo-While-Trying-To-Sound-Smart)


Oh shit actually we had a global flu pandemic which killed over 50 million people back then, and haven't seen anything even relatively on that scale since largely due to the advancement of medicine and illness containment.

The f*ck?

Kant absolutely did lay out the framework for Einstein's science, which was my original argument. Those links don't say sh*t (yes I've read the article); now go read Kant's critique of pure reason on time and space.

[Jello]

Poor diets - diets are much poorer because of chemicals in foods from modern production methods.

As a result we are seeing a plethora of diseases that weren't prevalant 30 years ago.
No diets are much poorer because the poor fat americans are buying those types of foods and eating them. There's plenty of healthy options that science says you should eat. Look at you, a lazy idiot philosopher lounging around on a basketball message board posting your delusional musings. It's sad

[IamRAMBO24]

:lol I owned you thoroughly, over and over.

See how easy it is? "You got ass raped in that argument" "you didn't own sh*t" yeah anyone can type those words.


http://www.academia.edu/248944/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_I_The _Early_Influence_of_Kants_System_of_Perspectives

http://www.academia.edu/3307162/The_Kantian_Grounding_of_Einsteins_Worldview_II_Si multaneity_Synthetic_Apriority_and_the_Mystical

Kant provided a rough framework for certain ideas that are espoused in Special Relativity, but certainly did not provide any explicit statements which resulted in the theory of General Relativity.

As stated by Palmquist, Einstein was deeply and heavily into Kant.... as a teenager. Decades before GR/SR were published :lol


Anyway, we're talking about how to lose weight. You can go back to that thread if you want to relive it. You have continued to ignore Dr. Hee calling you out about us dying faster as of today also.





Like... Smallpox, Polio, Leprosy, Scurvy, and Malaria (to an extent)?

Oh wait, those were diseases that have been eradicated by science. Oops. How about back in 1918, back before our evil modern scientific methods causing us horrible diseases which weren't "prevalant" (there's your inevitable Rambo-Typo-While-Trying-To-Sound-Smart)


Oh shit actually we had a global flu pandemic which killed over 50 million people back then, and haven't seen anything even relatively on that scale since largely due to the advancement of medicine and illness containment.

Science has done more harm than good regarding health. People aren't living longer, they are dying from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer etc. Those are pandemics now.

[IamRAMBO24]

No diets are much poorer because the poor fat americans are buying those types of foods and eating them. There's plenty of healthy options that science says you should eat.

Science created those unhealthy foods. They f*cked up when they decided to flavor cheap meat with chemicals, which created a whole industry that now only feeds americans unhealthy sh*t because it's cheap.

[gigantes]

Link?

Rambo never runs from an argument. Period.
it was that thread in which you two were discussing a book or body of work re: kant.

he looked in to it and declared that you were largely misconstruing the findings.

if you had read his replies, that must ring a bell with you. it was about a week ago. if you still can't remember, i'll research it later.

[Jello]

Science has done more harm than good regarding health. People aren't living longer, they are dying from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer etc. Those are pandemics now.

They are dying because of bad choices. If people stopped buyign unhealthy choices would those manufacturers and fast food restaurants still exist? No you idiot.

[oarabbus]

Rambo, I literally just said he laid out a rough groundwork/framework. You were trying to act like there was no achievement to Einstein's contribution when in reality, it's Lorentz, Maxwell, Heisenberg and others who contributed most of the work, with Kant having contributed a little to the early stages of the theory. The very early, very rough stages of the theory. You could also credit Mozart and Beethoven for Louis Armstrong's work, and there would be some truth in it, but you're missing the important influences.



I guess we should stop discussing anything scientific with you anyways:



A theory is not "an idea." Theory, as used in scientific nomenclature, is the falsifiable, predictive explanation of natural phenomena. Theories are supported by gathering measurements and observations from experiments. For example, the theory of evolution is supported by observations and experiments from various sciences, ie microbiology, molecular biology, biochemistry, thermodynamics, biology/anatomy, zoology, etc. A theory is much more than just an idea.


Ohh look, another thread where Rambo tries to sound smart b/c he skimmed an article!

:sleeping


That's the third thread in which he mixes up hypothesis and theory, I doubt he ever gets it.




Therefore, for anyone to credit everything science comes up with to philosophy or vice-verse is illogical and lacking of basic understanding. The basis of it is simply to fulfill the OP's need to argue.


very little of that really adds anything to what i just said, and as an unwanted bonus, you sound more and more like an obsessive psychopath with every post.

is your ulterior mission here to ask for help, because it sure sounds like you are asking for help.


Does anyone take rambo seriously anymore? I thought it was general forum opinion that he's a dumbass. I mean why make the distinction. If you set your mind to exercising and eating right then you will lose weight. Your change of mindset isn't what causes you to lose weight, the physical act is what causes you to lose weight. Stop separating the two you dumbass kuntian.



:roll: and this guy is trying to tell me I got owned :roll:

[Jello]

Science created those unhealthy foods. They f*cked up when they decided to flavor cheap meat with chemicals, which created a whole industry that now only feeds americans unhealthy sh*t because it's cheap.
More delusional musings. The for profit, capitalistic food industry used scientific methods(chemistry) to mass produce food and the americans CHOSE to buy and eat it. It si purely the responsibility of the fat unhealthy americans for eating that sht.

[IamRAMBO24]

They are dying because of bad choices. If people stopped buyign unhealthy choices would those manufacturers and fast food restaurants still exist? No you idiot.

Correction, they are beginning to make better choices. You can't make a choice when you are unaware of the sh*t they put in your food.

The FDA has a problem labeling some of these foods as a drug or real food. That's how much sh*t they put in it. People are beginning to understand it, but you can't blame them for making the bad choices when the knowledge has been kept hidden the past 30 years, in fact, most of the population are still mislead with the bullsh*t propaganda you are spouting.

Yea .. personal responsibility. That's actually the PR of tobacco companies when very little knowledge of it was known to the public.

[Jello]

Correction, they are beginning to make better choices. You can't make a choice when you are unaware of the sh*t they put in your food.

The FDA has a problem labeling some of these foods as a drug or real food. That's how much sh*t they put in it. People are beginning to understand it, but you can't blame them for making the bad choices when the knowledge has been kept hidden the past 30 years.
Please son. You must be downright retarded to need someone to tell you processed foods that are microwaved and fast food is unhealthy.

[oarabbus]

Correction, they are beginning to make better choices. You can't make a choice when you are unaware of the sh*t they put in your food.

The FDA has a problem labeling some of these foods as a drug or real food. That's how much sh*t they put in it. People are beginning to understand it, but you can't blame them for making the bad choices when the knowledge has been kept hidden the past 30 years, in fact, most of the population are still mislead with the bullsh*t propaganda you are spouting.

Yea .. personal responsibility. That's actually the PR of tobacco companies when very little knowledge of it was known to the public.


Bro. The problem was clearly that they didn't have the right mindset, it has nothing to do with knowledge. You've been saying that all along. Doesn't matter if you put **** food in your body, as long as you have the right weight-loss mindset.

[Raymone]

People aren't living longer

Your stupidity is truly unbounded.

[Jello]

If a fat pos came up to me and said, "science made this food which made me unhealthy." I would laugh in his face and insult him because he's retarded. Maybe not as retarded as rambo, but pretty close.

[dr.hee]

Bro. The problem was clearly that they didn't have the right mindset, it has nothing to do with knowledge. You've been saying that all along. Doesn't matter if you put **** food in your body, as long as you have the right weight-loss mindset.

Be wary of just eating healthy. It's all bullsh*t. It's not how healthy your food is, it is how your body process that intake. Merely eating healthy and exercising won't work.

This is why unhealthy people never get healthy through exercising and eating healty.

Bold statement.

But this is the philosopher speaking and you know he's got some ammunition to back up his statements.

Fire away.

[IamRAMBO24]

Please son. You must be downright retarded to need someone to tell you processed foods that are microwaved and fast food is unhealthy.

Not just unhealthy, it's killing people.

There should be more education on the chemicals they put in the foods we eat; you can't just say it is their choice and leave it at that. Before, we knew very little about tobacco, but when the knowledge came out, more people were able to make better choices.

And guess what, now they are making better choices, it's not because they are a bunch of idiots and just eating unhealthy to kill themselves, it is because the information they needed to know to make an inform choice is hidden.

[Jello]

Not just unhealthy, it's killing people.

There should be more education on the chemicals they put in the foods we eat; you can't just say it is their choice and leave it at that. Before, we knew very little about tobacco, but when the knowledge came out, more people were able to make better choices.

And guess what, now they are making better choices, it's not because they are a bunch of idiots and just eating unhealthy to kill themselves, it is because the information they needed to know to make an inform choice is hidden.
It isn't hidden. Only retards like you think it's hidden because you're stupid. Anyways I'm out. it's a waste of effort arguing with an idiot.

[dr.hee]

It isn't hidden. Only retards like you think it's hidden because you're stupid. Anyways I'm out. it's a waste of effort arguing with an idiot.

Stephen Hawkins > you

:no:

[Bandito]

Not just unhealthy, it's killing people.

There should be more education on the chemicals they put in the foods we eat; you can't just say it is their choice and leave it at that. Before, we knew very little about tobacco, but when the knowledge came out, more people were able to make better choices.

And guess what, now they are making better choices, it's not because they are a bunch of idiots and just eating unhealthy to kill themselves, it is because the information they needed to know to make an inform choice is hidden.
Is not really hidden, they just don't put it in their product.:roll:

You can find how they processed food and other stuff online nowadays.

[IamRAMBO24]

It isn't hidden. Only retards like you think it's hidden because you're stupid. Anyways I'm out. it's a waste of effort arguing with an idiot.

It was hidden 30 years ago; now vast majority of the population are feeling the repercussions.

It was only until this knowledge people were beginning to choose healthier meals.

How many people actually know what tertiary butylhydroquinone (TBHQ) is? Ask anybody. None. Nada.

How the f*ck can the average joe make an inform decision if they don't know what the f*ck is put in their food?

And guess what, once they have that knowledge, they will make the right decision and avoid it. Y'know human nature and all.

[tpols]

Is not really hidden, they just don't put it in their product.:roll:

You can find how they processed food and other stuff online nowadays.

But nobody really knows.. it is hidden. How they run the farms, treat the animals, what they feed the animals and inject into them.. its all behind closed doors.. you got a handful of vegan protestors, but the bulk of the population isnt fully infomred/doesnt care.


Very similar to ciggarettes.. everyone knew they werent good for you even a long time ago. But they didnt know exactly what was wrong with them besides seeing pop getting the black lung. Now that people have full information, their consumption has decreased drastically.

[secund2nun]

If you wanna lose weight ditch all refined sugar and all grains...everything else is fair game...you will lose weight quickly.

[gigantes]

i still don't see you researching the time kevinNYC paddled you, rambo.


need a hand, then?

[IamRAMBO24]

i still don't see you researching the time kevinNYC paddled you, rambo.


need a hand, then?

KevNYC is just an intellectual hack. I mean seriously when was the last time you've seen a seminal thought from him? All he does is cite a news article. That's it. That's all he does.

[gigantes]

KevNYC is just an intellectual hack. I mean seriously when was the last time you've seen a seminal thought from him? All he does is cite a news article. That's it. That's all he does.
and do you know why he does little more than cite articles, moron?


more to the point-- look up the thread if you dare. you got destroyed in front of the public by a person who was merely curious about testing you upon your alleged expertise.


look it up and correct me as you can. if i'm wrong, i'll apologise. i dare you, rambo. let this be a contest upon the gigantes - rambo reputation on ISH!


deal / no deal ?

[IamRAMBO24]

and do you know why he does little more than cite articles, moron?


more to the point-- look up the thread if you dare. you got destroyed in front of the public by a person who was merely curious about testing you upon your alleged expertise.


look it up and correct me as you can. if i'm wrong, i'll apologise. i dare you, rambo. let this be a contest upon the gigantes - rambo reputation on ISH!


deal / no deal ?

Really Kevnyc?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude is an idiot. This is the typical discussion I have with him:

Me: hey KevNYC what is your rebuttal?

Kev: wait let me google a news article. Ok there. That's my rebuttal because I'm too stupid to even put the ideas in my own words. I want you to read this although I didn't write it, but guess what, I agree with it, so IT'S MINE ALL MINEZZZZZ *GAY LAUGHTER*

I don't even know what you are talking about, but seriously, Kevnyc? That's like saying nathanjizzle owned me on a drunk night.

[dr.hee]

KevNYC is just an intellectual hack.

Ad hominem :no:

The philosopher is past his prime?