Micheal dunn convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder, but hung jury on murder

[MavsSuperFan]

http://newday.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/17/dunn-convicted-of-attempted-murder-hung-jury-on-murder-in-loud-music-trial/

I dont know if you guys followed this case, but imo it is much worse than the zimmerman/trayvon case. In that I think this case was much more clearly murder.

Basics iirc: Dunn was at a gas station. Heard kids playing music loudly at other stall (dunn described it as "thug music"). Went up to them and told them to turn it down. (witness testimony here) supposedly he was rude, the kids called him a cracker., he said (according to a witness) "now you aren't going to talk to me like that". and then he shot into the kids car multiple times.

1 kid died, jordan davis.

Later dunn claimed that he thought he saw one of the kids pulling a gun and was shooting in self defense.

Anyways the trial happens and he gets convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder (the 3 teens/young adults that werent killed), 1 count of shooting into an occupied car. The attempted murder has a statutory minimum of 20 years per conviction.

But at least one jury member refused to convict on murder. so we have a hung jury. The prosecutors have implied that they are prepared to go through the whole trial process again with a new jury.

[Akrazotile]

If they called him a cracker, that is a hate crime and self defense was necessary.


Case dismissed.

[Go Getter]

http://newday.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/17/dunn-convicted-of-attempted-murder-hung-jury-on-murder-in-loud-music-trial/

I dont know if you guys followed this case, but imo it is much worse than the zimmerman/trayvon case. In that I think this case was much more clearly murder.

Basics iirc: Dunn was at a gas station. Heard kids playing music loudly at other stall (dunn described it as "thug music"). Went up to them and told them to turn it down. (witness testimony here) supposedly he was rude, the kids called him a cracker., he said (according to a witness) "now you aren't going to talk to me like that". and then he shot into the kids car multiple times.

1 kid died, jordan davis.

Later dunn claimed that he thought he saw one of the kids pulling a gun and was shooting in self defense.

Anyways the trial happens and he gets convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder (the 3 teens/young adults that werent killed), 1 count of shooting into an occupied car. The attempted murder has a statutory minimum of 20 years per conviction.

But at least one jury member refused to convict on murder. so we have a hung jury. The prosecutors have implied that they are prepared to go through the whole trial process again with a new jury.


What does it take to convict someone of murdering a black teen in FL? Seems like a video taped assassination with eye-witnesses, a signed confession, motive, and a murder weapon wouldn't be enough.

[DonDadda59]

What does it take to convict someone of murdering a black teen in FL? Seems like a video taped assassination with eye-witnesses, a signed confession, motive, and a murder weapon wouldn't be enough.

That's America's asshole right there. Outside of Miami and Disney, Florida is as backward a place as you'll find in America. It's a justifiable death sentence to be Black and walking home or playing music too loud for someone's personal liking now in that State. :facepalm

At least this guy will spend considerable time in jail, for attempted murder... but not for the actual murder he committed. I guess it's better than him being free to terrorize women and fight rappers as a 'celebrity'.

[Dictator]

He got 60 years, good.

[MavsSuperFan]

That's America's asshole right there. Outside of Miami and Disney, Florida is as backward a place as you'll find in America. It's a justifiable death sentence to be Black and walking home or playing music too loud for someone's personal liking now in that State. :facepalm

At least this guy will spend considerable time in jail, for attempted murder... but not for the actual murder he committed. I guess it's better than him being free to terrorize women and fight rappers as a 'celebrity'.
The prosecutors are committed to retrying the case.
Its mostly likely one person on the jury that sympathized with dunn and refused to convict. On the retrial I think they will get a conviction for at least murder 2

[Akrazotile]

That's America's asshole right there. Outside of Miami and Disney, Florida is as backward a place as you'll find in America. It's a justifiable death sentence to be Black and walking home or playing music too loud for someone's personal liking now in that State. :facepalm

At least this guy will spend considerable time in jail, for attempted murder... but not for the actual murder he committed. I guess it's better than him being free to terrorize women and fight rappers as a 'celebrity'.


I think it's frustrating for both sides. I mean honestly, southern white people have a culture that they were all born and raised in, and has been that way for hundreds of years. So maybe they just don't want to live with people wearing absurdly oversized clothes who are often loud and obnoxious (talking bout black youths in particular) and play music at huge decibel levels in unintelligible jive slang. I say this as someone who listens to rap myself, but I don't blame other people who live in a community and don't want an increasingly infringing cultural takeover. In fact most old BLACK people don't want that chit either. It just is what it is. It's no different than France banning the wearing of cult-like burqas amongst their hordes of migrating muslims.


And let's not pretend it's a safe little stroll in the park for a white guy in suspenders and a bow tie to go walking through the hood late at night. Statistically that dude is in FAR greater danger than a black dude anywhere in Florida.

These ****ing kids don't have parents to knock some sense into them and not let them go around embarrassing themselves lookin like modern day minstrel performers on some lil wayne facepalmniglit chit ready to rob a convenience store or stick someone up for their cell phone


I'm not takin either side here and I'm especially not justifying the violence but it's not like anyone should be surprised when old, southern white men react disdainfully toward such a foreign and bizarre culture.


Suddenly people who wanna preserve their own culture and communities these days and tell people who wanna be different to do it elsewhere are the 'bad guys'. Its pathetic. World has turned beta, straight up. These cool little poser liberals get their jollies from being 'mister accepting' but its all just a ploy for self esteem cause they got nothin else to be proud of in their lives. No identity.



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[MavsSuperFan]

He got 60 years, good.
To be clear I am not sure if those 3 sentences will run consecutively or concurrently.

But the prosecution is going to retry the case.

[qrich]

All it takes is one juror, and the defense played their cards correctly to get that juror for the Murder charge.

I just don't get, for the life of me, how they found him guilty of attempting to kill the rest, but not the one he actually killed?

What killed Dunn in the trial, though, was the fact that he never contacted the authorities nor anyone else, but went back to his place, ordered a pizza and went to a bar to get drinks. Him testifying helped getting the mistrial for the murder charge, and with a new jury, I'm expecting more of the same.

State should just try to get the three 20-year sentences to run consecutively and not concurrently and not waste time and money by getting another mistrial for the murder charge. 1/12 is all Dunn needs.

[Im so nba'd out]

went to google to see what he looks like....pure scumbag just look at him
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/9/95/20070428062644!Cracker.snack.bread.jpg

[oarabbus]

What does it take to convict someone of murdering a black teen in FL? Seems like a video taped assassination with eye-witnesses, a signed confession, motive, and a murder weapon wouldn't be enough.

You probably also have to not be in or near your vehicle, home, or other owned/rented property because they'll just call it Stand your Ground.


And yeah, this case is ****ed. Guy claims "it was them or me" and a kid pulled out a shotgun... no shotgun found anywhere...

[oarabbus]

It's no different than France banning the wearing of cult-like burqas amongst their hordes of migrating muslims.


And let's not pretend it's a safe little stroll in the park for a white guy in suspenders and a bow tie to go walking through the hood late at night. Statistically that dude is in FAR greater danger than a black dude anywhere in Florida.

These ****ing kids don't have parents to knock some sense into them and not let them go around embarrassing themselves lookin like modern day minstrel performers on some lil wayne facepalmniglit chit ready to rob a convenience store or stick someone up for their cell phone


I'm not takin either side here and I'm especially not justifying the violence but it's not like anyone should be surprised when old, southern white men react disdainfully toward such a foreign and bizarre culture.


Suddenly people who wanna preserve their own culture and communities these days and tell people who wanna be different to do it elsewhere are the 'bad guys'. Its pathetic. World has turned beta, straight up. These cool little poser liberals get their jollies from being 'mister accepting' but its all just a ploy for self esteem cause they got nothin else to be proud of in their lives. No identity.






You had one good point about the lack of parenting but you sandwiched it between so much bullsh1t, it's almost unbelievable.

You also made that sh1t up about it statistically being more dangerous for a white guy than a black guy in Florida. Want to actually check the homicide and assault rates and get back to us on that one?

[Myth]

the kids called him a cracker., he said (according to a witness) "now you aren't going to talk to me like that".

2:10 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

[Rasheed1]

I don't see how you convict on attempted murder but not murder I.. especially since no gun was found and the witnesses (including his fiancee) do not corroborate his story of fearing for his life.

If I pull a gun and start shooting into a car full of people? I planned to kill them.. Thats premeditation.. it wasn't akin to a car accident where my reckless behavior led to people dying..

[oarabbus]

I don't see how you convict on attempted murder but not murder I.. especially since no gun was found and the witnesses (including his fiancee) do not corroborate his story of fearing for his life.

If I pull a gun and start shooting into a car full of people? I planned to kill them.. Thats premeditation.. it wasn't akin to a car accident where my reckless behavior led to people dying..


It doesn't really make sense, does it? One thing I know. If it was a black man who shot into a car full of white kids, killing one... he'd be on death row already. Unanimous verdict, 10 minute deliberation case closed.

[longtime lurker]

I don't see how you convict on attempted murder but not murder I.. especially since no gun was found and the witnesses (including his fiancee) do not corroborate his story of fearing for his life.

If I pull a gun and start shooting into a car full of people? I planned to kill them.. Thats premeditation.. it wasn't akin to a car accident where my reckless behavior led to people dying..

Because the whole criminal justice system is broken. Its completely biased against minorities(black males in particular) and before any of you start complaining Zimmerman's own attorney was on CNN saying the exact same thing. Prosecutors are so used to prosecuting black males that apparently they don't know how to try white males plus there's the inherent bias the jury. It's amazing to think that at least one person convicted on attempted murder, but on the actual murder he wasn't sure :wtf:

I'm curious to see what the verdict in that movie texting case. It seems like its open season on young black males in Florida

[Real Men Wear Green]

So, he attempted murder, someone died, but he did not commit murder. Well done. Anyway with a 60 year sentence (assuming that's right) it amounts to the same as a murder conviction.

[Rasheed1]

Because the whole criminal justice system is broken. Its completely biased against minorities(black males in particular) and before any of you start complaining Zimmerman's own attorney was on CNN saying the exact same thing. Prosecutors are so used to prosecuting black males that apparently they don't know how to try white males plus there's the inherent bias the jury. It's amazing to think that at least one person convicted on attempted murder, but on the actual murder he wasn't sure :wtf:

I'm curious to see what the verdict in that movie texting case. It seems like its open season on young black males in Florida


Oh, that man is cooked, he can forget about seeing the outside of a jail cell again..

But it might take and acquittal & some outrage at this situation to get people to understand exactly how heinous these gun crimes are

[CelticBaller]

went to google to see what he looks like....pure scumbag just look at him
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/archive/9/95/20070428062644!Cracker.snack.bread.jpg
A face only a mother could love

[qrich]

So, he attempted murder, someone died, but he did not commit murder. Well done. Anyway with a 60 year sentence (assuming that's right) it amounts to the same as a murder conviction.

He just attempted to kill them, he didn't want to, hence the no murder charge.

But really, it depends on if those 20 years per charge is concurrent or consecutive. Not sure on it either way. If its consecutive, a retrial for the murder portion will just be a waste of time and money as odds are, 1/12 will hang it again.

[tontoz]

Who would complain about loud music at a gas station? Just fill up and drive away dumbass.

It just seems like he was just looking for a reason to use his gun. Can't believe he wasn't convicted of murder but I am sure he will be really popular with the inmates. He will probably end up getting what he deserves.

[MavsSuperFan]

He just attempted to kill them, he didn't want to, hence the no murder charge.

But really, it depends on if those 20 years per charge is concurrent or consecutive. Not sure on it either way. If its consecutive, a retrial for the murder portion will just be a waste of time and money as odds are, 1/12 will hang it again.
I dont think its that complex. 1 juror probably just sympathized with Dunn. that juror is probably a racist and doesnt want to punish dunn for killing a black teen who listens to rap music (i am making an assumption it was rap music, I dont know for sure)

One key point is that dunn was not found innocent or acquitted. Guilty verdicts require unanimous decisions. One juror is enough to prevent a guilty verdict. Prosecution failed to screen out a juror that would have never convicted in this case under any circumstance.

[qrich]

I dont think its that complex. 1 juror probably just sympathized with Dunn. that juror is probably a racist and doesnt want to punish dunn for killing a black teen who listens to rap music (i am making an assumption it was rap music, I dont know for sure)

:facepalm @ thinking that was serious, in the slightest along with the ending.

[DonDadda59]

Michael Dunn Sentenced To Life In Prison For 'Loud Music' Killing Of Jordan Davis

Posted: 10/17/2014 11:59 am EDT Updated: 1 hour ago

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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP)