Replace Paul George with John Wall on the Pacers

[Milbuck]

Paul George stats per game:

22.2 points
6.4 rebounds
3.4 assists
1.8 steals
0.3 blocks
.438 FG%
.370 3PT%
.856 FT%
20.4 PER


John Wall stats per game:

19.8 points
4.3 rebounds
8.5 assists
2.0 steals
0.5 blocks
.420 FG%
.321 3PT%
.836 FT%
19.8 PER


Would the Pacers improve or regress with John Wall instead of Paul George? I think although they'd lose a bit of individual scoring (not much), they'd gain a true playmaker, someone that can run their offense much more effectively and efficiently than anyone else they have right now. Their defense at the point guard position would arguably be better with Wall, but they'd lose an elite wing defender to guard Lebron, KD, Melo, etc, which would definitely hurt. Overall I think their defense takes a hit simply because of PG's ability to stay with star SFs, but they would improve even more on offense with Wall running an efficient offense and getting everyone easier buckets.

What do you guys think? Overall, would the Pacers improve or regress with John Wall instead of Paul George?

[IncarceratedBob]

Pacers would be the same, maybe even better. George's defense has been overrated thanks to Hibberts presence in the paint. Wall would give them a whole other level, Granger could serve as a poor mans PG.

[Milbuck]

Pacers would be the same, maybe even better. George's defense has been overrated thanks to Hibberts presence in the paint. Wall would give them a whole other level, Granger could serve as a poor mans PG.
This is what I think the biggest thing would be. A clutch-situation scorer like PG is incredibly valuable, but I think Wall would improve everyone's offensive game. They would be one of the highest powered offenses with West, Hibbert, Granger, Stephenson, Scola, Hill, etc. being fed by Wall.

You don't think losing that elite defender to guard Lebron/KD/Melo would hurt that much though? Granger is still a good filler, but he isn't really close to PG on that end of the floor.

[MichaelCorleone]

Good thread, I think they keep the 1st seed still. John Wall has improved quite a lot, and one aspect of the game he surprised me in is his mentality and attitude, I always thought him playing with Cousins in the past will affect his view of the game. But watching him play, he's driven enough to be a star.

Though Paul George is still a rising superstar, I say it's a toss up for the Pacers GM if the trade is proposed.

[Rubio2Gasol]

They would be much worse.

[MichaelCorleone]

They would be much worse.
Chemistry?

Only thing I'm holding back on is having Lance Stephenson that clown playing with Wall, essentially forming a dance group.:facepalm

[qrich]

Besides chemistry, I think they would be slightly worse/on par as to what they are right now. Hill could slide over and play a decent amount at the two as well as Granger not being an atrocious replacement at the three.

[Rubio2Gasol]

1. The Pacers suck in transition and John Wall isn't going to change that. More than likely he'll just be detached from Hibbert and West.

3. The Pacers lack consistent perimiter scoring

4. John Wall is not a perimeter scorer.

5. They have no one to guard Melo/Lebron/Durant.

[MichaelCorleone]

Besides chemistry, I think they would be slightly worse/on par as to what they are right now. Hill could slide over and play a decent amount at the two as well as Granger not being an atrocious replacement at the three.
We can't say for sure yet, both George and Wall for breaking out so it's a toss up.

But having Wall influenced by Stephenson on the team is a no no for me. Lance the clown will make the Pacers a cheerleading team.:facepalm

[All Net]

George impact defensively is very big for what pacers do. Think people forget this.

Wall is having a top season though.

[ImKobe]

George impact defensively is very big for what pacers do. Think people forget this.

Wall is having a top season though.

Wall is also a decent defender :confusedshrug:

And Hibbert is the heart of that defense.

[LONGTIME]

1. The Pacers suck in transition and John Wall isn't going to change that. More than likely he'll just be detached from Hibbert and West.

3. The Pacers lack consistent perimiter scoring

4. John Wall is not a perimeter scorer.

5. They have no one to guard Melo/Lebron/Durant.

They don't have anyone who can do that now.

[ImKobe]

They don't have anyone who can do that now.

Seriously, Lebron had his best series of the Playoffs against Indy. PG can't do anything against Bron/Durant.

[All Net]

Wall is also a decent defender :confusedshrug:

And Hibbert is the heart of that defense.
In the middle he is but George is still a Top defender who can handle different matchups. Wall is limited in one position defensively

[wally_world]

Wouldn't work. Terrible spacing on the floor. DWest might thrive abit more with Wall, but Lance's role gets majorly reduced. Pacers lose their wing defense which is key in the East (against LeBron, Melo, Derozan, Pierce etc). Wall also struggles in the halfcourt (not that PG is elite, but he can create his own shot better).

[Bibby4Three]

Pacers would be better. Wall would thrive with those bigs. PG is overrated and until he proves it to me in the playoffs with a monster game I don't trust him.

Guy always got the pass while KD and LBJ caught shit for mediocre games.

[El Gato Negro]

Point guards are a dime a dozen in this league. the pacers are better off with PG, wall would make them worse.

[avonbarksdale]

Point guards are a dime a dozen in this league. the pacers are better off with PG, wall would make them worse.


agreed, they are already elite without an elite pg, id rather have an elite wing player/defender

[Dr. Ice]

Easily regress.

Without paul george they lose a wing defender, by losing a wing defender hibbert's already below average pnr d gets completely exposed since he no longer has the great help he gets from PG and the other forwards, leading to a chain reaction on that end of the court.

Also, have fun with that offensive spacing.

[Lebron23]

Pacers would be better. Wall would thrive with those bigs. PG is overrated and until he proves it to me in the playoffs with a monster game I don't trust him.

Guy always got the pass while KD and LBJ caught shit for mediocre games.


He's been struggling lately, but The Pacers are still winning. I'd still pick Melo over George.

[Boarder Patrol]

This is actually a cool idea. They'd get Granger back in the starting lineup who is getting his shot back, finally, and it opens up more minutes for Copeland, so their perimeter shooting would only regress a little. They'd get a true playmaker too.

I'd say overall they get a little worse but are still a contender.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

more like replace george hill with john wall

dynasty

[PsychoBe]

ridiculous thread. the pacers dont need one player to be their playmaker/scorer/facilitator which is what these ball-dominant and cancerous pgs do to teams on the offensive end. they completely mess up offensive systems. and john wall does not have the same defensive impact as paul george by any stretch of the imagination. pg averages virtually 2 steals a game and can guard 1-4. he is the team's best perimeter defender and the most consistent when playing the passing lanes and he can play well off the ball too. he is what kobe was in his prime if kobe was purely focused on the defensive end which pg does.

pg is a defender that can score, not a scorer than can defend.

[ralph_i_el]

both teams regress in the short term. Wizards have nobody else that can be trusted to handle the ball. Pacers don't have great shooting especially if they give up PG.

[Dro]

Wouldn't work. Terrible spacing on the floor. DWest might thrive abit more with Wall, but Lance's role gets majorly reduced. Pacers lose their wing defense which is key in the East (against LeBron, Melo, Derozan, Pierce etc). Wall also struggles in the halfcourt (not that PG is elite, but he can create his own shot better).
:applause:

[Sharmer]

They would be much worse.


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[Sarcastic]

They'd be quite a lot better. Wall is much bigger upgrade over Hill, than George is over Granger.

Hibbert and Vogel is what makes the Pacers good. George is just lucky to get all the credit.


Wall
Stevenson
Granger
West
Hibbert

That squad would be vicious.

[sketchy]

With this trade, the Pacers (a team that sometimes struggles to score) lose their best perimeter scorer, shot creator, and second best defender and best wing defender in the league for John Wall (love the guy, he's great), a distributor that thrives on defense (can only defend other guards) and the fast break. Indiana is one of the slowest teams in the league, they inevitably end up in the half court where Wall can't shoot the 3 ball. No thanks, bad fit.

Not to mention Danny Granger is done. Anyone that thinks he could be a decent fill in for PG in extended minutes hasn't watched him play much this season.

With that being said, the Wizards don't get much better with PG instead of Wall. Another bad fit.

[UK2K]

PG > Wall up until Jan.

Wall >>>>> PG since Jan.

[sketchy]

ridiculous thread. the pacers dont need one player to be their playmaker/scorer/facilitator which is what these ball-dominant and cancerous pgs do to teams on the offensive end. they completely mess up offensive systems. and john wall does not have the same defensive impact as paul george by any stretch of the imagination. pg averages virtually 2 steals a game and can guard 1-4. he is the team's best perimeter defender and the most consistent when playing the passing lanes and he can play well off the ball too. he is what kobe was in his prime if kobe was purely focused on the defensive end which pg does.

pg is a defender that can score, not a scorer than can defend.
this.

[Milbuck]

:confusedshrug:

[Legends66NBA7]

So...

Wall
Stephenson
Turner
West
Hibbert


Nah, I think their current squad is just fine. The Pacers have the number 1 defense in the league for a reason and it's because of a total team effort. Wall and Stephenson would handle the ball too much IMO for it to work for the Pacers.

Plus, a George/Stephenson/Turner/Hill defensive lineup is more versatile come playoff time on the perimeter.

[Yankstar]

Funny now Wall is tearing up the NBA and PG is off banging hookers in his spare time. :roll:

[Dro]

And yet Id still rather have PG than John Wall...Game is not all about offense...

[imdaman99]

I like them both, I'd just prefer Wall more for the Knicks.

But with the current Pacers, it's gotta be Paul George. Hill is not that good, but he's not that much a liability. Who would they plug in at SF with the current team? All I know is that I better not see George dapping Lebron in the middle of a playoff game anymore :facepalm

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, PG just fits better because the Pacers were built into a team that fits very well. It would be hard to just remove PG and replace him with someone else.

It would be interesting if Indiana got Wall in the 2010 draft instead of PG and then could have built around him. They could have kept Kawhi Leonard in 2011 instead of trading him to the Spurs.

[Dro]

I like them both, I'd just prefer Wall more for the Knicks.

But with the current Pacers, it's gotta be Paul George. Hill is not that good, but he's not that much a liability. Who would they plug in at SF with the current team? All I know is that I better not see George dapping Lebron in the middle of a playoff game anymore :facepalm
Also, pulling up for fadeaways and jacking 3's has to stop...When he was playing within the offense, he would get 20,5, 7 and you wouldn't even notice...Now he is forcing everything...

[Rubio2Gasol]

Nah, I will say this though, Wall is a more valuable asset.

But you can't have Wall running Hibbert, West Scola, Bynum and these guys, that;s just stupid. No shoothers either.

They need a point, but to replace Hill or Stephenson, not PG.

[WallIn]

And yet Id still rather have PG than John Wall...Game is not all about offense...

Yet Wall is top 5 in steals :facepalm

[Dro]

Yet Wall is top 5 in steals :facepalm
Yes, because steals = defense...Also, don't put words in my mouth. You're just a John Wall fan who ASSUMED something ELSE because of what I said. My comment doesn't mean Wall is not good at defense, in fact he is. My comment could mean that I think PG's defense is elite, which it is. No reason to be offended...