Sixers trading Spencer Hawes to Cleveland for two 2nd rd picks

[GOBB]

The Cleveland Cavaliers have acquired center Spencer Hawes from the Philadelphia 76ers in exchange for forward Earl Clark, center Henry Sims and two second round draft picks, Cavaliers Acting General Manager David Griffin announced tonight from Cleveland Clinic Courts.

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=15259

[novocaine]

i like Hawes...sixers making room for noel.

[JohnFreeman]

:biggums: wow..nice for CLE

[GOBB]

i like Hawes...sixers making room for noel.

considering Noel is only playing by himself. Hasnt engaged in any 3 on 3, 5 on 5 scrimmages? Yeah making room. Or maybe they were trading Hawes for something considering he is a FA at seasons end. And maybe package this picks in another deal be in the future.

I'm going with the latter.

[SHABBA]

Sixers :coleman:

[Meticode]

I hate centers that shoot 4 threes at a game and shoots 45% from the field overall. Oh well.

[Meticode]

Zach Lowe on Tweeter is saying the Cavs have to be sending something other than picks to Sixers for Hawes. FYI Possibly Zeller maybe?

[niko]

Sixers need salary, they are under the minimum. A lot under because they were under prior to this.

[Meticode]

Looks like the Cavs are trying to move Zeller after getting Hawes. Sucks, I've grown to like Zeller a lot.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I fux with this

[Meticode]

I fux with this
The one positive is he'll help spread the floor.

[GOBB]

Looks like the Cavs are trying to move Zeller after getting Hawes. Sucks, I've grown to like Zeller a lot.

One softy with another softy. Give us Waiters! :lol

[Dr.J4ever]

Per woja :confusedshrug:

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
One down two(2) to go with ET and Young.
Hey Gobb, do you read Liberty Ballers? Real funny stuff with Michael Levin and trading these two for a bucket of dildos:lol

[Meticode]

One softy with another softy. Give us Waiters! :lol
Woj reporting something else going to Philly besides 2 picks.

[Uncle Drew]

Woj reporting something else going to Philly besides 2 picks.
Hopefully Gee.

[JohnFreeman]

Should have done Deng maybe a pick for Turner and Hawes

[Meticode]

Hopefully Gee.
Him or Clark I have no issue being traded.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The one positive is he'll help spread the floor.
I know nothing about him really, is he a good PnR or Pick and Pop player?

[Godzuki]

not bad since he's a decent passing big man that can post distribute when their offense is dysnfunctional. he should at least add that dimension to their offense which they don't really have now.

2 2nd rounders likely won't bite you too hard in the ass later

[Jasper]

Hawes and Waiters could be a great combo...

Always thought Hawes was under appreciated...

Sneaky rebounder, and a stretch..... redefining a lack luster low poster player into a NBA long career :rockon:

[Meticode]

I thought Hawes was older, but he's only 25.

[NattyPButter]

Will be pissed if giving away Zeller. He spreads the floor already and hustles. Don't need MB giving away AB mins either.

[JohnFreeman]

Isn't Hawes are really good defender?

[Meticode]

Will be pissed if giving away Zeller. He spreads the floor already and hustles. Don't need MB giving away AB mins either.
Zeller doesn't spread the floor. He can hit the mid-range J sometimes, but spread the floor he doesn't do.

[Meticode]

Isn't Hawes are really good defender?
I don't know, but Zach Lowe on Tweeter posted this:

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/436514164853702656

[JohnFreeman]

I don't know, but Zach Lowe on Tweeter posted this:

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/436514164853702656
Maybe he wasn't happy with Philly?

[Dr.J4ever]

Isn't Hawes are really good defender?
No, Hawes can't defend his own shadow. He shoot the 3, can pass the ball, and post up a little.

[jbryan1984]

I don't know if I wanna give up on Tyler just yet. He had to be rushed into playing his rookie year cause of injuries, he just recently started playing this year since Bynum is gone. I realize he played his senior year in college and there is a strong possibility he may have already reached his ceiling but I would rather have him over Hawes.

[JohnFreeman]

No, Hawes can't defend his own shadow. He shoot the 3, can pass the ball, and post up a little.
I swear I heard somewhere he was a really good defender. People were saying Lee should play defense like him? I am wrong though obviously

[Meticode]

Tweeter is saying if the Cleveland is sending back anything else it's going to be Clark or Gee probably. Or there has to be a 3rd team involved. Doesn't work out financially if you do Hawes for two 2nd rounders.

[Meticode]

I don't know if I wanna give up on Tyler just yet. He had to be rushed into playing his rookie year cause of injuries, he just recently started playing this year since Bynum is gone. I realize he played his senior year in college and there is a strong possibility he may have already reached his ceiling but I would rather have him over Hawes.
I told RBA this last night that it sucks we're exploring trades with some major parts of our team when we are in the mist of our longest winning streak in 4 years. Jack is on the block, Deng is on the block, Zeller is on the block apparently. Gee/Clark.

[Dr.J4ever]

Maybe he wasn't happy with Philly?
He was okay in Philly, but 76ers are into heavy tanking mode. I can tell you Cav fans Hawes is underrated. He can sometimes give 15/12/4 on a good night. I'm not kidding, but he can't defend at all.

On 2nd thought, he can block shots a little when he's in the mood.

[JohnFreeman]

He was okay in Philly, but 76ers are into heavy tanking mode. I can tell you Cav fans Hawes is underrated. He can sometimes give 15/12/4 on a good night. I'm not kidding, but he can't defend at all.

On 2nd thought, he can block shots a little when he's in the mood.
I think he was probably un happy with the tanking, he could be good for the cavs

[Meticode]

Switching to Deng thread. Wizards are in talks with trading for Deng. This could be interesting.

[Godzuki]

I told RBA this last night that it sucks we're exploring trades with some major parts of our team when we are in the mist of our longest winning streak in 4 years. Jack is on the block, Deng is on the block, Zeller is on the block apparently. Gee/Clark.


they've played some of the worst teams in the league for that winning streak...

[PleezeBelieve]

Varejao is hurt more than what they're saying. Zeller stays IMO

[PleezeBelieve]

they've played some of the worst teams in the league for that winning streak...
They've won four of those games without Varejao. Streak is legit. You hatin

[Meticode]

they've played some of the worst teams in the league for that winning streak...
Yes, but it's been 4 years. They didn't play crappy teams in that stretch before this time?

[Meticode]

I wonder how many picks the Cavs have left. If you include Deng and Hawes they've given up 4 second rounders and a mid-late first rounder probably.

[Uncle Drew]

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Please Gee.

[Meticode]

It's either Gee, Clark or Miles. So Sixers got one of the three players back as well. All of them can expire after this year.

[Godzuki]

They've won four of those games without Varejao. Streak is legit. You hatin


i don't hate on the Cav's. i'm a underdog, back-runner team fan.

[PleezeBelieve]

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Please Gee.
Clark + Sims IMO

[el gringos]

Wow. That's all he was worth? I guess they were sure he wouldn't return but isn't it surprising that the 76'rs didn't get some player(s) for him?


How is it a positive move to give away assets?

[Meticode]

Wow. That's all he was worth? I guess they were sure he wouldn't return but isn't it surprising that the 76'rs didn't get some player(s) for him?


How is it a positive move to give away assets?
Sixers are getting two 2nd round picks and either Gee, Clark or Miles. Sixers are in tank mode and are trying to get greatly under the minimum tax hold. They were already under it before the Hawes trade.

[boozehound]

Sixers need salary, they are under the minimum. A lot under because they were under prior to this.
That doesnt matter. You can be under salaried, you just split the difference between your existing players. Which I am sure they love. No need to lose that flexibility when you pay the same either way.

[jbryan1984]

Hopefully its Clark and or/Sims.

[Uncle Drew]

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[sketchy]

What does this mean for Hawes as a fantasy option? Lol. You guys think he will start for Cle?

[PleezeBelieve]

Low-key,Wojo and Aldridge been battling out for premier inside NBA for two years now.

[PleezeBelieve]

What does this mean for Hawes as a fantasy option? Lol. You guys think he will start for Cle?
Yes. He shoots and is the best rim protector on the team now.

Varejao to the bench and Zeller as the 3rd big

[bagelred]

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/tanks/drive-tank-001.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

Low-key,Wojo and Aldridge been battling out for premier inside NBA for two years now.
I like both of them

[MJ(Mean John)]

Tweeter is saying if the Cleveland is sending back anything else it's going to be Clark or Gee probably. Or there has to be a 3rd team involved. Doesn't work out financially if you do Hawes for two 2nd rounders.

Lol
Twitter.

[Kujo]

Cavs really needed Spencer Hawes? I wonder if this means Varaejao will be out longer than expected.

[Meticode]

I'm fine with the trade. But Hawes is on the last year of his contract. Not sure what happens after this.

[sketchy]

Yes. He shoots and is the best rim protector on the team now.

Varejao to the bench and Zeller as the 3rd big
Cool cool. Thanks. That's what I was thinking.

[Meticode]

Cavs really needed Spencer Hawes? I wonder if this means Varaejao will be out longer than expected.
This or they just want more floor spacing which has been a major issue when Varejao and Thompson are on the floor at the same time. I would expect Hawes and Thompson would start, then Varejao would come off the bench. If they move Zeller I would assume Bennett gets some time at PF so they can keep the floor stretched.

[PleezeBelieve]

I'm fine with the trade. But Hawes is on the last year of his contract. Not sure what happens after this.
You best believe the Cavs will be taking a center with their first round pick.

[Dr.J4ever]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2014/2/20/5429640/trade-rumor-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-spencer-hawes-sixers

Some additional info from Philly's point of view

[Meticode]

The Cavs officially have sent Clark + two 2nd rounders to Philly. Another player is involved. It's either Gee, more than likely Henry Sims though.

[sketchy]

You best believe the Cavs will be taking a center with their first round pick.
If they do, do you think they'll re-sign Hawes and move him to PF?

[El Gato Negro]

I wonder how many picks the Cavs have left. If you include Deng and Hawes they've given up 4 second rounders and a mid-late first rounder probably.
I assume they got Orlando 2nd round and Memphis 2nd round this year. that leaves the cavs with our own picks plus Miami and Memphis first rounders in 2015.

[El Gato Negro]

Not that the cavs need more young 2nd round talent but they better be able to sign one of these guys they gave up picks for.

[Meticode]

If they do, do you think they'll re-sign Hawes and move him to PF?
No. The team is pretty committed to Tristan Thompson. He's struggled to start the season, but during the last 4 games he's averaging 17PPG/13RPG/1.25SPG on 59% shooting.

[Uncle Drew]

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Crap.

[Meticode]

I assume they got Orlando 2nd round and Memphis 2nd round this year. that leaves the cavs with our own picks plus Miami and Memphis first rounders in 2015.
Thanks for the information.

[Godzuki]

You best believe the Cavs will be taking a center with their first round pick.


hawes is considered a up and coming star player tho. giving up 2 2nd rounders and scrub could mean he's their future center.

[Meticode]

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Crap.
Why the edit to crap?

[Uncle Drew]

Why the edit to crap?
Because I really liked Sims.

[Meticode]

hawes is considered a up and coming star player tho. giving up 2 2nd rounders and scrub could mean he's their future center.
:biggums:

[PleezeBelieve]

Not that the cavs need more young 2nd round talent but they better be able to sign one of these guys they gave up picks for.
I don't think Cavs want to sign Deng. Think they want a purer shooter at the SF position, that is if LeBron doesn't come back

These moves are all short-term efforts to make a playoff push.

[PleezeBelieve]

I called it

[Meticode]

Because I really liked Sims.
I don't care either way. He showed he can give quality minutes, but nothing I care about. A 6'10" center that shoots 40% from the field? You can have him. No room for him anyway with Varejao, Thompson, Bennett, Zeller ahead of him.

[Marcus Thornton]

So is this a not so much of a win - not so much of a win situation?

[PleezeBelieve]

LMAO @ liking Sims. Philly will cut him at the end of the season anyway

[sketchy]

No. The team is pretty committed to Tristan Thompson. He's struggled to start the season, but during the last 4 games he's averaging 17PPG/13RPG/1.25SPG on 59% shooting.
Nice. Yeah I really like what TT can do, if only he could maintain consistency. Always plays hard though. Good dude.

[Meticode]

So is this a not so much of a win - not so much of a win situation?
Cavaliers got what they wanted. A big that can spread the floor. That's what Hawes is. Whether it works out or not will remain to be seen.

[Meticode]

Nice. Yeah I really like what TT can do, if only he could maintain consistency. Always plays hard though. Good dude.
That's been his biggest problem. His motor is there, it's just the consistency. Part of it is no plays are ran for him, and part of that is becuase he's limited offensively. He's improved offensivley this season developing a little floater/hook and he faces up to the basket a lot more now. He can have games like I just mentioned at 17/13, then for 2-3 games he averages 5PPG on 40% shooting.

I really want him to work out because.

[Uncle Drew]

So, what's next. A move for Barnes?

[Meticode]

So, what's next. A move for Barnes?
No clue. I just know Deng is being shopped by himself. They can't trade another player with Deng. Jack is being shopped with Sacremento and the Warriors involved in that. Zeller is being shopped as well.

My guess is they move another big-man. With acquiring Hawes it clogs our front court. My assumption would be they move Zeller so Hawes/Thompson can start. And bring Varejao/Bennett off the bench so both units can have spacing.

But what do I know? Mike Brown is coaching the team.

[DukeDelonte13]

i'm really not happy about this. I hate Hawes. Maybe i'm irrational about it but whatever. I just dislike soft bigmen who can't play a lick of D. Defensive schemes will help cover his deficiencies.

Clark and Sims were probably both being cut at the end of the season anyways.

Not thrilled about this. I think those seconds could have been used in a deal for something more useful.

[Marcus Thornton]

Cavaliers got what they wanted. A big that can spread the floor. That's what Hawes is. Whether it works out or not will remain to be seen.
Actually, now that I think of it, this move is solid for the Cavs. Gives them 2 mil more shed at the end of the season and gives them a better opportunity to sign Hawes for a more long term deal.

[PleezeBelieve]

Spencer Hawes has 16 games this season where he has scored 16 or more points.

Cavs get exactly what they need here.

[GOBB]

Thank you for the 2 second rd picks in 2014 Cavs! :pimp:

[Godzuki]

:biggums:

he is a lot better than a lot of people in this thread are giving him credit for.

he's had a few triple doubles i think, and has had some massive lines like 28/16/5~ lines at times....

last year or two he's been getting a lot of hype as a upcoming star Center, but its Philly basement team hype which doesn't really get as noticed i guess.

he'll be at the least better than the black hole and malcontent Bynum was.

[PleezeBelieve]

i'm really not happy about this. I hate Hawes. Maybe i'm irrational about it but whatever. I just dislike soft bigmen who can't play a lick of D. Defensive schemes will help cover his deficiencies.

Clark and Sims were probably both being cut at the end of the season anyways.

Not thrilled about this. I think those seconds could have been used in a deal for something more useful.
You're off base on this one. Philly as a whole don't play defense. Hawes can't be held totally liable for that.

At the end of the day, Hawes role on the Cavs will be different than his role in Philly where he was the only real big with scoring punch on the whole team.

[GOBB]

Hawes is not a defender. You're an idiot if you think he's protecting Cavs rim.

[CeltsGarlic]

Spencer is really under appreciated here. Dude is an amazing passer, with great court vision, can score with ease, and is alright on defense. Great deal for Cavs.

[Fudge]

See, Cleveland, THIS is how you make a big move. :applause:

[Marcus Thornton]

See, Cleveland, THIS is how you make a big move. :applause:
This is considered a big move? Man, the trade deadline really needs to pick up.

[GOBB]

Spencer is really under appreciated here. Dude is an amazing passer, with great court vision, can score with ease, and is alright on defense. Great deal for Cavs.

Low post defender? No
Help defender? No
Rim protector? No
Pick n roll defender? No

Can score with ease? He cant put the ball on the floor, cant shoot off the dribble, not much of a back to the basket scorer. Where is he scoring with ease?

He is however a good passer, good shooter. Face up big, but to say he can score easily is not the case. Cavs must have another deal or two up their sleeve.

[aboss4real24]

Cavs might sneak up on ppl

Kyrie W8trs Deng Thompson jack varejo

BENNET FINALLY Coming around n starting to atleast resemble a 1st ovrl Pick jus a lil bit

now u add hawes whos a 7 foot big who can stretch the floor , and is a decent rebr



Team has to much talent to fail

[El Gato Negro]

Low post defender? No
Help defender? No
Rim protector? No
Pick n roll defender? No

Can score with ease? He cant put the ball on the floor, cant shoot off the dribble, not much of a back to the basket scorer. Where is he scoring with ease?

He is however a good passer, good shooter. Face up big, but to say he can score easily is not the case. Cavs must have another deal or two up their sleeve.
I rarely watch the sixers is hawes a legit 7 feet tall? or just listed as 7'

[GOBB]

Hawes is a legit 7 footer


Cavs have their own, Orlando and Memphis 2nd rd picks. Anyone know what picks Cavs traded?


See, Cleveland, THIS is how you make a big move. :applause:

Well played. :oldlol:

[Godzuki]

I rarely watch the sixers is hawes a legit 7 feet tall? or just listed as 7'

\he's a big big, and thats where i think his defense isn't going to be that bad. like Kaman size big, and i'd say better defender than Kaman who is awful tho. these type Centers tend to at least give other star Centers some issues so long as they can stay between them and the rim.

either way i think Cav's got a steal with this. he's better than most Centers they'd draft out of the box, and will be for years to come.

the biggest thing to me is he can be a focal post point of their offense where as TT doesn't ever pass out. and the Cav's offense is awful against good D teams. they're so dysfunctional without a legit focal point to their offense other than their guards 1v1'ing, which is what they always fall back on against good pressure teams.

i'd say he's at the least a LOT better than Bargnani for whatever thats worth.

[alenleomessi]

bullock for zeller could also happen

[CeltsGarlic]

Low post defender? No
Help defender? No
Rim protector? No
Pick n roll defender? No

Can score with ease? He cant put the ball on the floor, cant shoot off the dribble, not much of a back to the basket scorer. Where is he scoring with ease?

He is however a good passer, good shooter. Face up big, but to say he can score easily is not the case. Cavs must have another deal or two up their sleeve.

Well, to be fair, I saw like only couple of sixers games this year, and he seemed like a decent scorer, with some creative moves. He was also moving well on defense, not leaving any holes etc.

Obviously youve seen more of him, so I stand semi corrected.

[El Gato Negro]

Thanks for answering my question and the info Gobb and Godzuki.:cheers:

[Uncle Drew]

Trade involving Zeller is close.

[alec613]

This is considered a big move? Man, the trade deadline really needs to pick up.

If you read the old threads, you'd understand

[Twiens]

Damnit there goes his fantasy value, he's been a beast all year for me.

[PleezeBelieve]

Hawes is not a defender. You're an idiot if you think he's protecting Cavs rim.
You don't know basketball. You're a clown.Your entire team doesn't lay defense.

[PleezeBelieve]

\he's a big big, and thats where i think his defense isn't going to be that bad. like Kaman size big, and i'd say better defender than Kaman who is awful tho. these type Centers tend to at least give other star Centers some issues so long as they can stay between them and the rim.

either way i think Cav's got a steal with this. he's better than most Centers they'd draft out of the box, and will be for years to come.

the biggest thing to me is he can be a focal post point of their offense where as TT doesn't ever pass out. and the Cav's offense is awful against good D teams. they're so dysfunctional without a legit focal point to their offense other than their guards 1v1'ing, which is what they always fall back on against good pressure teams.

i'd say he's at the least a LOT better than Bargnani for whatever thats worth.
TT is getting better passing on the move. He's only 22

[PleezeBelieve]

Trade involving Zeller is close.
Griffin making common sense moves that I would make!! Cavs need to get more than Bullock for Zeller tho

[FatComputerNerd]

I'll be pretty upset if we trade Zeller.

He's shown so much promise lately...and we need a "Z" on the team!

[El Gato Negro]

I'll be pretty upset if we trade Zeller.
I agree, he's been playing good this year.

[Uncle Drew]

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Love for Jack. Do it Griffin!

[KyrieTheFuture]

If this trade deadline gets Jack off the squad I'll call this whole season a success

[Jailblazers7]

I'll be pretty upset if we trade Zeller.

He's shown so much promise lately...and we need a "Z" on the team!

I think it makes sense if its a Zeller for Bullock deal. Cavs get a big wing who can shoot while also opening minutes for Bennett. It is pretty obvious that Bennett is the better player and they have a lot invested in him. Looks like Zeller is just the odd man out.

Sixers on the other hand are just unloading and collecting picks. I have to imagine that Turner or Thad will be moved plus picks in order to get a first rounder that will be used to target someone. Maybe even move that Pelicans pick up higher in the lotto. Maybe move up to get Garry Harris so that the starting backcourt could look something like MCW/Harris/Wiggins.

[Meticode]

We really need to move a big right now. Officially a clog jam now. Hawes, Thompson, Varejao, Zeller and Bennett all in the front court.

[ProfessorMurder]

MCW is going to put up even more stats for my fantasy team now. Yay.

[AirTupac]

Isn't Hawes are really good defender?

He's an awful defender, putrid. Also Philly has like 9 2nd round picks now :oldlol:

[Kukoc]

We really need to move a big right now. Officially a clog jam now. Hawes, Thompson, Varejao, Zeller and Bennett all in the front court.


Nah we good. We need to make the play offs this year.

How many hours till the trade deadline?

[Meticode]

Nah we good. We need to make the play offs this year.

How many hours till the trade deadline?
It's officially over. More trades will be reported in, but word is we didn't make any other moves. So the Cavs wanted to explore Deng and move Jack. Neither of those happened apparently. Now we have a clogged front court and Zeller or Bennett are going to lose minutes yet again, and everyone wanted Jack moved and he's not apparently. Unless something else gets announced.

[NattyPButter]

we need a new GM now. Idiot just cost AB mins

[FatComputerNerd]

Maybe we will see AB at the 3-spot more now. I know it sounds like a reach but he has dropped a good bit of weight and shown a nice jumper lately so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

Either way, you can never have too many bigs, especially with Varejao out and injury prone.

[Meticode]

we need a new GM now. Idiot just cost AB mins
I think ultimately it costs Zeller minutes. It sucks since he's bene playing so well lately. Bennett will play back-up PF/SF probably now because Clark is gone not too remember.

[NattyPButter]

Maybe we will see AB at the 3-spot more now. I know it sounds like a reach but he has dropped a good bit of weight and shown a nice jumper lately so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

Either way, you can never have too many bigs, especially with Varejao out and injury prone.

That would be setting him up for failure. He's not a 3 and should only play the 4.

[NattyPButter]

I think ultimately it costs Zeller minutes. It sucks since he's bene playing so well lately. Bennett will play back-up PF/SF probably now because Clark is gone not too remember.

MB would rather play Zeller over AB. Look how many times he put Zeller in with AV instead of putting in Bennett. He just don't like rookies. I still hate the fact that the team has givin up 4 2nd round picks for rentals. Deng isn't gonna stay and Hawes will probably walk too.

[Kukoc]

It's officially over. More trades will be reported in, but word is we didn't make any other moves. So the Cavs wanted to explore Deng and move Jack. Neither of those happened apparently. Now we have a clogged front court and Zeller or Bennett are going to lose minutes yet again, and everyone wanted Jack moved and he's not apparently. Unless something else gets announced.


Yeah true that. Didnt even think about the minutes.

[Kukoc]

MB would rather play Zeller over AB. Look how many times he put Zeller in with AV instead of putting in Bennett. He just don't like rookies. I still hate the fact that the team has givin up 4 2nd round picks for rentals. Deng isn't gonna stay and Hawes will probably walk too.


Yeah that is true. Not a good coach with rookies. That is not how it should be.


Wait what? Hawes is also free agent in july?

[HomieWeMajor]

Hawes can be a poor man's Dirk with more rebounding . Good trade for Cleveland

[Droid101]

Second in the league in Center assists. He's a good player.

[Uncle Drew]

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Kyrie/Dion - Hawes pick 'n pops should be fun.

[DukeDelonte13]

MB would rather play Zeller over AB. Look how many times he put Zeller in with AV instead of putting in Bennett. He just don't like rookies. I still hate the fact that the team has givin up 4 2nd round picks for rentals. Deng isn't gonna stay and Hawes will probably walk too.


MB plays Delly and has played him pretty consistently throughout the season. Myth busted.

Zeller plays C and Bennett does not, further, Zeller is a far more effective player then Bennett is at the moment.

But i hate the trade because of exactly what you are saying; it takes minutes away from Zeller and AB.

Who cares if Spencer F*cking Hawes walks? I don't think he will if the cavs offer him money. It's not like we are talking about Dwight Howard here. He'll take what he can get. The guy is a scrub and a defensive liability.

At the end of the day we got an extra floor spacing big for not much. It makes sense on paper, but i just find this move to be off-putting.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm surprised there is such negativity coming from Cavs fans over this trade. We just picked up a young, legit 7-footer who is one of the better shooting big men in the league for scraps.

I understand that this might change the rotations, but also consider that Anderson Varejao hasn't played recently and, if past seasons are any indication, it probably isn't the best idea to rely on him to make it through the last 25+ games and (hopefully) a playoff series.

Even beyond that, even if Varejao does come back, this team needed shooting and I'm not convinced Tyler Zeller or Anthony Bennett are ready to become longterm starters in this league yet. Hopefully, eventually that will happen and I'm glad we didn't trade Zeller with the way he's been playing lately, but it has become pretty clear to me that Tristan/Andy are a bad pairing in the starting lineup because they just get in each others' way.

Starting Hawes with his range will give Tristan the room to roam around and do what he does and, if Andy comes back, he will be great off the bench with the second unit, which should still include Anthony Bennett. I don't really see how this hurts Bennett's minutes at all. He's still the backup PF.

Unfortunately, Zeller's minutes are going to take a major hit, but Hawes is a better player at this stage. There are worse problems to have in this league than too many big bodies to put into the rotation. Plus, Hawes is only signed through this season, so we'll see if this is just a 30 game rental or a longterm piece.

Hawes may become our best outside shooter immediately, though. The guy is shooting 40% from three this year and should provide excellent spacing for Kyrie, Dion and Deng to do their thing. And, hey... if they like what they see and he has good chemistry with our young guys, he's only 25... I'm not seeing a huge downside here.

Good move.

[chips93]

We really need to move a big right now. Officially a clog jam now. Hawes, Thompson, Varejao, Zeller and Bennett all in the front court.

that sounds like a good problem to me

anyways, its not like zeller is so good that he has to get minutes. and andy is pretty injury prone, so its nice to have an extra big in case he goes down.

[HomieWeMajor]

Cleveland are now one of the very few teams in the league who can run a 0 in 5 out offense.

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm surprised there is such negativity coming from Cavs fans over this trade. We just picked up a young, legit 7-footer who is one of the better shooting big men in the league for scraps.

I understand that this might change the rotations, but also consider that Anderson Varejao hasn't played recently and, if past seasons are any indication, it probably isn't the best idea to rely on him to make it through the last 25+ games and (hopefully) a playoff series.

Even beyond that, even if Varejao does come back, this team needed shooting and I'm not convinced Tyler Zeller or Anthony Bennett are ready to become longterm starters in this league yet. Hopefully, eventually that will happen and I'm glad we didn't trade Zeller with the way he's been playing lately, but it has become pretty clear to me that Tristan/Andy are a bad pairing in the starting lineup because they just get in each others' way.

Starting Hawes with his range will give Tristan the room to roam around and do what he does and, if Andy comes back, he will be great off the bench with the second unit, which should still include Anthony Bennett. I don't really see how this hurts Bennett's minutes at all. He's still the backup PF.

Unfortunately, Zeller's minutes are going to take a major hit, but Hawes is a better player at this stage. There are worse problems to have in this league than too many big bodies to put into the rotation. Plus, Hawes is only signed through this season, so we'll see if this is just a 30 game rental or a longterm piece.

Hawes may become our best outside shooter immediately, though. The guy is shooting 40% from three this year and should provide excellent spacing for Kyrie, Dion and Deng to do their thing.

Good move.

Zeller runs the floor much better than Hawes and plays with more energy. It don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hawes is truly the better player. He's a better shooter, but it's going to take him a while to grasp the defense.

I just HATE players that don't give a sh*t about defense. Especially bigmen.

[DukeDelonte13]

i hope MB benches this f*cking stiff. Tyler Zeller embarrassed him two nights ago.

I'm starting to dislike Griffin. I though that phx suns run and gun culture was just reporter fodder but Gilbert better recognize that this f*ck-*ss just traded for one of the hands down most embarrassing defenders in the entire league.

I don't even want th*s asshole putting on a cavaliers jersey. So pissed. :mad:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Zeller runs the floor much better than Hawes and plays with more energy. It don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hawes is truly the better player. He's a better shooter, but it's going to take him a while to grasp the defense.

I just HATE players that don't give a sh*t about defense. Especially bigmen.
So you hate every player on the team?

Jesus Duke calm the **** down.

[RedBlackAttack]

Zeller runs the floor much better than Hawes and plays with more energy. It don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hawes is truly the better player. He's a better shooter, but it's going to take him a while to grasp the defense.

I just HATE players that don't give a sh*t about defense. Especially bigmen.
I think Mike Brown feels like he can turn basically any player into a decent defensive piece. Now, that idea has been challenged this year by the young guys on our team, but it wasn't too long ago that Tyler Zeller was considered a huge liability on that end, too. Hawes hasn't exactly been a part of a team with coaches that really stress defense. MB has a pretty good track record with turning offensive bigs into decent defensive players. If he could do it with Drew Gooden, he can work with Hawes.

I like Tyler and, yes, he's one of the best bigs in the league at running the floor and leaking out on the break. No argument there. But, we've had spacing problems all season because of our lack of shooting. To me, that's one of the main reasons you haven't been seeing Kyrie sucessfully attacking the basket the way he has in the past. Andy and Tristan really clog things up.

This will free those guys up and help our guards. It makes sense in terms of what this roster desperately needed (shooting) and I think it is going to work out better than people think.

I guess we'll find out together.

[RedBlackAttack]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg8s8NqCQAANuct.jpg

Kyrie/Dion - Hawes pick 'n pops should be fun.

Looks like a recipe for an unbelievable pick/pop partner with Kyrie. Good stuff.

[Embers]

Why would you take a loan player like Hawes when..

- You have a ton of options at the C
- He isnt 100% fit
- He wont stay

It seems like a trade for the sake of it really. Im not too sure Philly gain from it either. Why the hell do they want so many 2nd rounders for?

[DukeDelonte13]

Remember once upon a time when Cavs wanted a stretch 4 so bad?

They just had to have floor spacing. Enter Antawn Jamison. It's undeniable that he was a major contributing factor to the loss in that playoff series against the C's. I got images of KG torching him burned into my brain.

I'm normally an extremely optimistic guy when it comes to my favorite team in the whole world, but this just f*cking sucks.

Now we gonna have Kyrie letting pieces of sh*t light him up at the guard spot and Spencer Hawes letting scrubs light him up at the 5. Wonderful. Brilliant move.


My hope and prayer is in the help defense scheme and MB's judgement in benching him.

[bdreason]

Nice move for the Cavs. Hawes has been playing well this season, and he can create some more space on the court for Waiters and Irving.

[RedBlackAttack]

Remember once upon a time when Cavs wanted a stretch 4 so bad?

They just had to have floor spacing. Enter Antawn Jamison. It's undeniable that he was a major contributing factor to the loss in that playoff series against the C's. I got images of KG torching him burned into my brain.

I'm normally an extremely optimistic guy when it comes to my favorite team in the whole world, but this just f*cking sucks.

Now we gonna have Kyrie letting pieces of sh*t light him up at the guard spot and Spencer Hawes letting scrubs light him up at the 5. Wonderful. Brilliant move.


My hope and prayer is in the help defense scheme and MB's judgement in benching him.
Somehow replacing Earl Clark with Spencer Hawes has become the worst move of all-time, it appears. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. No point in arguing about it when the guy has yet to play a game with this team.

[NattyPButter]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg8s8NqCQAANuct.jpg

Kyrie/Dion - Hawes pick 'n pops should be fun.

pick and pop all? all i'm seeing is he's good at shooting at the top of the 3pt line and average in almost every other spot. Then you're not putting in that he'll drink the water here and suck it up.

[andremiller07]

Are they going to start Hawes and Andy together? Cause that gives them good size (Spencer been blocking shots this year), shooting and EXCELLENT passing (probs best passing combo in the NBA in terms of bigs), and they move TT to the bench as the first big of it where imo he should be so he does not have to go against the top bigs.

Hawes gives them another playmaker so if him and Andy start imo that's pretty decent.

[Meticode]

Are they going to start Hawes and Andy together? Cause that gives them good size (Spencer been blocking shots this year), shooting and EXCELLENT passing (probs best passing combo in the NBA in terms of bigs), and they move TT to the bench as the first big of it where imo he should be so he does not have to go against the top bigs.

Hawes gives them another playmaker so if him and Andy start imo that's pretty decent.
I would imagine eventually Hawes and Thompson would be starting together. Andy and Bennett as the second unit.

[bdreason]

I would start Thompson and Hawes. Bring Varejao and Bennett off the bench.

[gyu]

Wow, Hawes is a very solid big man and he's only worth 2 SECOND round picks? Surely a contender like Miami could've snagged him?

[Meticode]

Wow, Hawes is a very solid big man and he's only worth 2 SECOND round picks? Surely a contender like Miami could've snagged him?
Cavs gave up Clark+Sims as well. But those players contracts will be done as well after the season.

[RedBlackAttack]

Wow, Hawes is a very solid big man and he's only worth 2 SECOND round picks? Surely a contender like Miami could've snagged him?
You know how this game is played. The Sixers just basically ensured themselves of a Top 5 pick by unloading their starting SG and C. Hawes is in the last year of his contract, they obviously had no plans to re-sign him (or him there, possibly), so they got what they could while making the team worse for a high draft pick. Meanwhile, they took on no salary, as both Clark and Sims are on non-guaranteed contracts.

It makes all the sense in the world if you look at it from the standpoint of a team just beginning their rebuild.

I do feel like the Cavs got a bargain, but everyone knew this was going to be a buyer's market because of the perceived strength of this draft class.

[DukeDelonte13]

Somehow replacing Earl Clark with Spencer Hawes has become the worst move of all-time, it appears. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. No point in arguing about it when the guy has yet to play a game with this team.


i'm not saying its the worst of all time, I just don't think it was the best use of those assets.

I'm not gonna argue that on paper this trade does make the cavs better, but consider the fact that Earl Clark is a much better defender than hawes and can be used for defensive assignments that Bennett struggles with. Hawes has much better range than Zeller and Bennett but I think his ineptitude on D will nullify any benefit he gives us.

Maybe it's the fact we just traded for a C that Zeller dominated or the fact that this is supposed to a defense first culture growing phase and we just got hawes, i just don't like this deal.

I wanna like this deal. We'll just have to wait and see.

[GOBB]

You don't know basketball. You're a clown.Your entire team doesn't lay defense.

What are you even saying? Nothing much because you cant counter anything I said. Hawes does not play defense. Hawes is not a rim protector. Does he block shots? Yes, being 7'1 with long arms will allow that by default. Did you see the defense displayed by Hawes vs YOUR TEAM? What did Hawes do? He got owned. Guys like Zeller, Plumlee have career days vs him. Dion Waiters dunked over the guy. Somehow because the SIXERS TEAM plays no defense that affects HAWES ATTEMPTING to block Waiters dunk at the rim. Real time it was a joke.

You're an idiot, will always be an idiot.

Edit: He also avg 8.5rpg, for a team that has no one challenging him for rebounds he's a BEAST on the glass!

[CavaliersFTW]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


... At least we didn't give up much but damn, Hawes is a scrub I seriously hope we get rid of him soon after he's going to bring our team down. The guy is the slowest human in the NBA right now. In the few games I've seen he looked absolutely horrid.

[Meticode]

What are you even saying? Nothing much because you cant counter anything I said. Hawes does not play defense. Hawes is not a rim protector. Does he block shots? Yes, being 7'1 with long arms will allow that by default. Did you see the defense displayed by Hawes vs YOUR TEAM? What did Hawes do? He got owned. Guys like Zeller, Plumlee have career days vs him. Dion Waiters dunked over the guy. Somehow because the SIXERS TEAM plays no defense that affects HAWES ATTEMPTING to block Waiters dunk at the rim. Real time it was a joke.

You're an idiot, will always be an idiot.

Edit: He also avg 8.5rpg, for a team that has no one challenging him for rebounds he's a BEAST on the glass!
I can't believe you wasted all this time replying to him.

[GOBB]

I can't believe you wasted all this time replying to him.

Haven't posted in awhile. I need to hit my quota.

[El Gato Negro]

Hawes is a legit 7 footer


Cavs have their own, Orlando and Memphis 2nd rd picks. Anyone know what picks Cavs traded?



Well played. :oldlol:
The picks ended up being the Memphis and Cleveland ones. glad they held onto to Orlando pick even tho its a second rounder it's sure to be the highest one they had.

[El Gato Negro]

Sixers cut Clark already no surprise there.

[RedBlackAttack]

Sixers cut Clark already no surprise there.
Earl's nice run with the Lakers last year is beginning to look like his only career highlight. I wanted it to work here... I really did. He's just not very good at playing basketball relative to other NBA players.

[DukeDelonte13]

Earl's nice run with the Lakers last year is beginning to look like his only career highlight. I wanted it to work here... I really did. He's just not very good at playing basketball relative to other NBA players.


he was a major disappointment. I thought he was on the up and up.