What makes Americans so free?

[pinhead]

We can all learn alot from the American way of life. How can the rest of us be as free as you?

[chosen_one6]

Because the people run this shit.

/sarcasm

[outbreak]

nothing, their just mind washed enough to believe they are

[Mr. Jabbar]

fast food imo

[jamal99]

http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/190435-bigthumbnail.jpg

[MightyWhitey]

We can all learn alot from the American way of life. How can the rest of us be as free as you?
Because the founding fathers of this great nation made sure we would never be ruled by a King ever again. If you would like a full blown explanation there's a really great book called "A Patriots History of the United States".

[-p.tiddy-]

the US has more "freedoms" than most countries, but true literal "freedom" can only be obtained by extreme wealth IMO

only the extreme wealthy have the freedom to do just about anything they want to do each day...the rest of us are slaves to the dollar

[MightyWhitey]

the US has more "freedoms" than most countries, but true literal "freedom" can only be obtained by extreme wealth IMO

only the extreme wealthy have the freedom to do just about anything they want to do each day...the rest of us are slaves to the dollar
America is a great country because you can strive to be wealthy. And I am no slave to any dollar. Corny sayings like this are uncalled for.

[-p.tiddy-]

America is a great country because you can strive to be wealthy. And I am no slave to any dollar. Corny sayings like this are uncalled for.
maybe "slave" is a strong word, but money is what holds most of us back from doing what we REALLY want to do...

I would have loved to vacation around the world all year long and work on hobbies in my spare time instead of going to work this year...but I can't do that because I need money and so does my family...we are held back from our true desires because of no extreme wealth

(this doesn't mean we aren't happy in life)

[MightyWhitey]

maybe "slave" is a strong word, but money is what holds most of us back from doing what we REALLY want to do...

I would have loved to vacation around the world all year long and work on hobbies in my spare time instead of going to work this year...but I can't do that because I need money and so does my family...we are held back from our true desires because of no extreme wealth

(this doesn't mean we aren't happy in life)
But the fact is you can become wealthy in America. You hold yourself back from not doing what you want to do in life whether recreational or occupational.

[-p.tiddy-]

But the fact is you can become wealthy in America. You hold yourself back from not doing what you want to do in life whether recreational or occupational.

extreme wealth is probably easiest obtained in the US for someone starting with nothing...as far as the major nations go anyway

[KingBeasley08]

Being the GOAT country. Anyone disagrees and

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/were-gonna-free-the-shit-out-of-you.jpg

[CeltsGarlic]

I hope this thread is sarcastic tho. I struggled to see what more usa have to offer compared to europe for example.

I mean, I saw a guy getting sued because of racism as he made a stupid joke in my workplace when i was in us :lol

[outbreak]

:biggums:

you are more jelly than OP

why would i be jealous? I live a comfortable life in australia with little to no crime, various employment options in my field with great health care i barely pay anything for. There's nothing wrong with america but their no more "free" than any other developed nation.

[pinhead]

I hope this thread is sarcastic tho. I struggled to see what more usa have to offer compared to europe for example.

I mean, I saw a guy getting sued because of racism as he made a stupid joke in my workplace when i was in us :lol

You are so jelly because you are not as free.

[rufuspaul]

But the fact is you can become wealthy in America.


You can become well off, even rich, but the true wealth in this country (the means of production) is tightly controlled by the 1% plutocracy. It's nearly impossible to break into that club.

[Lakers Legend#32]

America isn't anymore free that Canada or Western Europe.

[oarabbus]

Not all Americans are so dumb as to buy into the "we are the most free" nation bullsh1t. Some of us can see what's going on. The posturing, involvement in foreign affairs that should not be our concern and the countries don't want us to interfere, shady sh1t with Blackwater/Xe and other PMC, complete farce of a right to privacy regarding the NSA, etc.

However you can still love your country and have a problem with all the bullsh1t that goes on in it, BTW.

[pinhead]

why would i be jealous? I live a comfortable life in australia with little to no crime, various employment options in my field with great health care i barely pay anything for. There's nothing wrong with america but their no more "free" than any other developed nation.

Ha, Americans know the difference between 'their' and 'they're'. Australia's education system is certainly not free enough for you.

[pinhead]

America isn't anymore free that Canada or Western Europe.

Yes they are. They can do things I can only dream of doing. Being free sounds great.

[pinhead]

Interesting you say this...



Was that a typo in your own OP that you didn't even care to correct? Either you're lazy or you're a moron. Pick one. :coleman:

I never said I was perfect.

[-p.tiddy-]

You can become well off, even rich, but the true wealth in this country (the means of production) is tightly controlled by the 1% plutocracy. It's nearly impossible to break into that club.
idk...lots of billionaires out there where not born into it...Gates for example

[outbreak]

Ha, Americans know the difference between 'their' and 'they're'. Australia's education system is certainly not free enough for you.

yeah because a post i've typed in a few seconds is such a great way to judge an entire countries education system. How does any education system be free anyway? Do you mean free as in don't have to pay for it? Or free as in we should be able to do what we want while being educated?

[9erempiree]

Why America is so free?

First off we have the Bill of Rights that is documented in our Constitution. As human beings we have rights that no country or government should exercise against. These are rights that we are born with. These Bill of Rights allows us to stand up against tyranny.

We have the right to choose who our public officials are and have the ability to get one kicked off. Although, the system is really kind of screwed today but the premise and the idea of it is great.

Going back to the Bill of Rights, it also allows us freedom of speech. We are not suppressed of our thoughts or ideas. We are not held back when we are allowed to speak up. This is the best freedom in the world.

Finally, we are a capitalistic society. Yes, it may suck that the rich gets richer but any immigrant from any country in the world can prosper in our country without government intervention unless you are monopolizing, then the government interferes.

We are the best.

[MightyWhitey]

You can become well off, even rich, but the true wealth in this country (the means of production) is tightly controlled by the 1% plutocracy. It's nearly impossible to break into that club.
Too many people say this but need to read up more about this political ploy about "wealth disparity".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303519404579352551767664072

OPINION
James Piereson: The Truth About the 'One Percent'
The typical 'rich' person works for a salary.
By JAMES PIERESON
Updated Feb. 18, 2014 5:38 a.m. ET
'Income inequality" has emerged as the issue du jour in national politics, threatening to displace the unpopular health-care law and the slow-growing economy this election year. Speeches and columns now routinely attack the banks or "the undeserving rich" and call on Washington to do something to redistribute income from the "super rich" to the poor and middle class. Democrats from President Obama to the new mayor of New York City are leading the charge on behalf of the "99%."

This crusade is based on three questionable claims. One is that the wealthy are mostly Wall Street bankers benefitting from rising stock and real estate prices, or executives who pay themselves extravagant salaries. Another claim is that such people unfairly benefit from a system that taxes capital gains at half the highest marginal rate paid by those who earn salaries and wages. Then there is the assertion that the "super rich" have abundant funds that can be taxed to improve the living standards of everyone else.

All of these claims are false. By promoting them, the president and his supporters may hope to distract attention from ObamaCare and the economy. Yet they are igniting hopes they can't possibly fulfill.

In 2010, the latest year for which we have complete data, roughly 119 million households filed tax returns with the IRS, leaving about 1.1 million households in the top 1% of the income distribution. According to this data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, the top 1% received 15% of the national household income (before taxes) in 2010, up from 9% in 1980. A taxpayer needed a taxable income of $307,000 to enter the top 1%, a figure that hardly qualifies as "rich" today, especially in cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles or San Francisco.

According to research on individual tax returns in 2004 and 2005 by Jon Bakija of Williams College, Adam Cole of the Treasury Department and Bradley T. Heim of Indiana University, the top 1% consists primarily of salaried executives at nonfinancial businesses (30%) and secondarily of doctors (14%), people working in finance (13%) and lawyers (8%). Among the "super rich" in the top 0.1% (about 110,000 households), the distribution still favors business executives (41%) over people in finance (18%).

Given these percentages, there were approximately 330,000 salaried non-financial executives in the top 1% and some 45,000 in the top 0.1%. These are numbers far too large to be accounted for by senior executives in the Fortune 500. The vast majority must have earned their salaries in small- and medium-size businesses

[oarabbus]

idk...lots of billionaires out there where not born into it...Gates for example

Only Gates and Larry Ellison, out of all the billionaires, really have enough to be considered a big dog amongst the wealthy though.

[Trollsmasher]

Freedom is bullshit

Humans need to be ruled by a firm hand, otherwise they turn into a pathetic bunch of decadent morons

[9erempiree]

Freedom is bullshit

Humans need to be ruled by a firm hand, otherwise they turn into a pathetic bunch of decadent morons

You are a sheep.:facepalm

[oarabbus]

Freedom is bullshit

Humans need to be ruled by a firm hand, otherwise they turn into a pathetic bunch of decadent morons

Thanks for the contribution, Stalin.

[outbreak]

Why America is so free?

First off we have the Bill of Rights that is documented in our Constitution. As human beings we have rights that no country or government should exercise against. These are rights that we are born with. These Bill of Rights allows us to stand up against tyranny.

We have the right to choose who our public officials are and have the ability to get one kicked off. Although, the system is really kind of screwed today but the premise and the idea of it is great.

Going back to the Bill of Rights, it also allows us freedom of speech. We are not suppressed of our thoughts or ideas. We are not held back when we are allowed to speak up. This is the best freedom in the world.

Finally, we are a capitalistic society. Yes, it may suck that the rich gets richer but any immigrant from any country in the world can prosper in our country without government intervention unless you are monopolizing, then the government interferes.

We are the best.

You are a sheep.:facepalm

[tpols]

Why America is so free?

First off we have the Bill of Rights that is documented in our Constitution. As human beings we have rights that no country or government should exercise against. These are rights that we are born with. These Bill of Rights allows us to stand up against tyranny.

We have the right to choose who our public officials are and have the ability to get one kicked off. Although, the system is really kind of screwed today but the premise and the idea of it is great.

Going back to the Bill of Rights, it also allows us freedom of speech. We are not suppressed of our thoughts or ideas. We are not held back when we are allowed to speak up. This is the best freedom in the world.

Finally, we are a capitalistic society. Yes, it may suck that the rich gets richer but any immigrant from any country in the world can prosper in our country without government intervention unless you are monopolizing, then the government interferes.

We da Bess.

Fixed.

[Trollsmasher]

Thanks for the contribution, Stalin.
Enjoy your freedom which is not freedom anyway and watch the society collaps under itself while you are at it:cheers:

[9erempiree]

I am a real American. That is why people probably think I am a troll because I speak my mind and strongly believe in what I say. You guys just find it overwhelming, which I never took seriously.

That is why I don't take into offense if Euros or others don't understand my facts.

[outbreak]

I am a real American. That is why people probably think I am a troll because I speak my mind and strongly believe in what I say. You guys just find it overwhelming, which I never took seriously.

That is why I don't take into offense if Euros or others don't understand my facts.

You are a true american, you claim your arguments are supported by facts but you just list a bunch of random things you've vaguely read somewhere else and don't understand what you are actually talking about. But by god will you argue your point as far as you possibly can!

[pinhead]

You are a true american, you claim your arguments are supported by facts but you just list a bunch of random things you've vaguely read somewhere else and don't understand what you are actually talking about. But by god will you argue your point as far as you possibly can!

Being jelly will not make you more free. Just bitter.

[9erempiree]

You are a true american, you claim your arguments are supported by facts but you just list a bunch of random things you've vaguely read somewhere else and don't understand what you are actually talking about. But by god will you argue your point as far as you possibly can!

How is it not supported by facts? All I talked about was the Bill of Rights that all Americans have. That is fact.

...because of this Bill of Rights, it allows us to be more free beyond just being able to drink, drive, smoke or doing anything that doesn't break the law.

We are allowed freedoms far more greater than what the law prohibits. Heck, some countries persecute those that speak their minds. Speaking up and having these rights are very powerful.

I am sure most people will trade their lives for the Bill of Rights.

On top of that, we are allowed to open businesses and do what is necessary to make a living. Heck, most 2nd generation people I know are rich here. America gave them the opportunity.

[0000000]

Because freedom is the central of all all American values and ideas and they worked hard at it, obviously they got a lot of things right. They were never perfect, never will be but will always strive to get better and more free, no matter the challenges and obstacles in front.

And the difference between USA and Canada or Western Europe is that USA is a whole lot more individualistic. Whereas it's counterparts were always more community oriented. It is somewhat limiting. Not a whole lot but...it's another bit that makes USA more free although nowadays it may seem completely negligble.

In a sense, I get where OP is coming from even though he is from London and being from there he can't be too envious but I do get him, USA does have all countries in the world beat.

[CeilingFan#1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZF5wpntXsk

[Nick Young]

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

[oarabbus]

Relevant Bill Hicks video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mssKE_b48k

[Raymone]

democracy
no slavery
limited federal power and maintaining states' power
irrevocable voting rights for all genders and races
free market capitalism
relatively minimal government regulations
freedom to own guns
freedom to practice any religion
free speech
freedom of the press
freedom to peacefully assemble and protest
prohibited search & seizure without warrants
rights to due process in a court of law
jury of peers

[9erempiree]

One big thing that people must realize is that, although this is 2014 and due to globalization, most countries do have that freedom like that of USA. England isn't suppressed like other countries but because of America most countries are following suit.

Which brings me to the point of the OP. It seems like his country and other countries are just as free as America, well that is because America have shown by example and other countries are following suit.

If this question was asked 50 years ago, then I would have a huge list why we are much more free than any other country. It is harder now because most countries are just as free as ours because they have followed our path.

We still are more free than others today due to the Bill of Rights.

[mr.big35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

[0000000]

One big thing that people must realize is that, although this is 2014 and due to globalization, most countries do have that freedom like that of USA. England isn't suppressed like other countries but because of America most countries are following suit.

Which brings me to the point of the OP. It seems like his country and other countries are just as free as America, well that is because America have shown by example and other countries are following suit.

If this question was asked 50 years ago, then I would have a huge list why we are much more free than any other country. It is harder now because most countries are just as free as ours because they have followed our path.

We still are more free than others today due to the Bill of Rights.


Agreed. It's why I always say as well. Although nowaydas some of those countries may be even freer and it's time for USA to follow some of their example, like with health care for example.
But I do understand stuff like that are a very touchy subject in the USA and they concern the very identity of the nation.
Quality of life nowadays on average is likely better in Canada and other Western European nations. It's just how it is. But many other factors are involved as well.

[oarabbus]

One big thing that people must realize is that, although this is 2014 and due to globalization, most countries do have that freedom like that of USA. England isn't suppressed like other countries but because of America most countries are following suit.

Which brings me to the point of the OP. It seems like his country and other countries are just as free as America, well that is because America have shown by example and other countries are following suit.

If this question was asked 50 years ago, then I would have a huge list why we are much more free than any other country. It is harder now because most countries are just as free as ours because they have followed our path.

We still are more free than others today due to the Bill of Rights.


Good post.

[step_back]

maybe "slave" is a strong word, but money is what holds most of us back from doing what we REALLY want to do...

I would have loved to vacation around the world all year long and work on hobbies in my spare time instead of going to work this year...but I can't do that because I need money and so does my family...we are held back from our true desires because of no extreme wealth

(this doesn't mean we aren't happy in life)

This is a really interesting post.

I too understand what you're getting at and I often feel that a western philosophy towards work (Capitalism) actually suppresses our feeling of freedom. We heavily judge each other on wealth and material things when really we should judge on personal traits. This means we often over compensate at work and are always looking for ways of making more money to live in bigger houses, drive better cars, wear more expensive clothes etc when really we should be seeking out what freedom really is. Exploration, knowledge, equal rights and life experience.

I love the core of what freedom is. I honestly think we take it for granted and lack perspective on just how important democracy is. Where freedom doesn't exist the living quality is poorer.

[Godzuki]

some people in the US have no clue how good they have it compared to many other country's people.

it always trips me out how some people complain so much about America like we're all so watched, under government tyranny, and stuff like that.

i swear America breeds conspiracy crazies these days who pretend like we're all so oppressed :facepalm

[kNIOKAS]

Good thread for laughs. Just for laughs. For entertainment.

[9erempiree]

People can laugh all they want but thank goodness for the internet where they can freely express themselves.

The difference between me and others? I can go say this to a cop or stand in front of city hall and say it.

[fiddy]

democracy
no slavery
limited federal power and maintaining states' power
irrevocable voting rights for all genders and races
free market capitalism
relatively minimal government regulations
freedom to own guns
freedom to practice any religion
free speech
freedom of the press
freedom to peacefully assemble and protest
prohibited search & seizure without warrants
rights to due process in a court of law
jury of peers

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[9erempiree]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You from Bulgaria dude. You shouldn't laugh at something you know nothing about.

Heck, I respect an American laughing at his post more than someone from Bulgaria and I have nothing against Bulgaria.

[ForeverHeat]

One big thing that people must realize is that, although this is 2014 and due to globalization, most countries do have that freedom like that of USA. England isn't suppressed like other countries but because of America most countries are following suit.

Which brings me to the point of the OP. It seems like his country and other countries are just as free as America, well that is because America have shown by example and other countries are following suit.

If this question was asked 50 years ago, then I would have a huge list why we are much more free than any other country. It is harder now because most countries are just as free as ours because they have followed our path.

We still are more free than others today due to the Bill of Rights.

LOLZERS ask some of the black people 50 years ago exactly how free it was...

[MightyWhitey]

LOLZERS ask some of the black people 50 years ago exactly how free it was...
They had the freedom to protest and great leaders like MLK would emerge.

[IamRAMBO24]

America is not very free. There are too many stupid laws. I've been to a couple of 3rd world countries and they can get away with a lot more stuff than we can.

[MightyWhitey]

:roll:
I don't see what's so funny? Black Americans have been persecuted for their skin color. Leaders like MLK stepped up and protested asking for equality. Today there is a half black president in the White House. You get it now?

[9erempiree]

LOLZERS ask some of the black people 50 years ago exactly how free it was...

Americans didn't oppress the blacks like most people want you to believe. Slavery existed before America.

As a matter of fact there were not blacks on this continent when America was founded. Indians did not ship blacks over here. It was the Europeans that shipped the blacks over here to use as slaves.

It wasn't till America was formally founded and matured as a nation that slavery was abolished. If it wasn't for America abolishing slavery, there would still be slaves.

Actually there are still slaves around this world more prevalent in Asian nations and India. Slavery still exist. America was poisoned with the notion of having slaves in its infancy but we quickly got rid of that.

[fiddy]

You from Bulgaria dude. You shouldn't laugh at something you know nothing about.

Heck, I respect an American laughing at his post more than someone from Bulgaria and I have nothing against Bulgaria.
USA is becoming the 4th Reich. Have fun.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/13/constitution-free-zones-controversial-obama-administration-policy/

[fiddy]

America is not very free. There are too many stupid laws. I've been to a couple of 3rd world countries and they can get away with a lot more stuff than we can.
Hi

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Freedom is bullshit

Humans need to be ruled by a firm hand, otherwise they turn into a pathetic bunch of decadent morons

WIth the exception of mature, self-actualized responsible skilled men.

Yes.

[9erempiree]

Slavery was a mistake because look how many great black Americans were produced from it. Like I said, slavery isn't an American train of thought.

It was taught to us. As we matured as a nation and looked at every race as equals, we quickly abolished it.

Fast forward to today's society, Americans consist of many races and nationalities. We are a great country because of that.

Using slavery as a reason why America is not free, is just not a good argument.

[MightyWhitey]

I don't. Please do more. :bowdown:
Sure. America is not only the most free country but the most technologically innovative country EVER!!! How many more teets does America have to grow for these base countries to suckle on?

[flipogb]

because the anthem says so, thats it really

[step_back]

Americans didn't oppress the blacks like most people want you to believe. Slavery existed before America.

As a matter of fact there were not blacks on this continent when America was founded. Indians did not ship blacks over here. It was the Europeans that shipped the blacks over here to use as slaves.

It wasn't till America was formally founded and matured as a nation that slavery was abolished. If it wasn't for America abolishing slavery, there would still be slaves.

Actually there are still slaves around this world more prevalent in Asian nations and India. Slavery still exist. America was poisoned with the notion of having slaves in its infancy but we quickly got rid of that.

Actually Britain abolished slavery in 1807 long before America. While we may have been the biggest slave trading nation, to claim that it was America that abolished it is completely false.

[fiddy]

Slavery was a mistake because look how many great black Americans were produced from it. Like I said, slavery isn't an American train of thought.

It was taught to us. As we matured as a nation and looked at every race as equals, we quickly abolished it.

Fast forward to today's society, Americans consist of many races and nationalities. We are a great country because of that.

Using slavery as a reason why America is not free, is just not a good argument.
You dont have a nation.

[9erempiree]

Actually Britain abolished slavery in 1807 long before America. While we may have been the biggest slave trading nation, to claim that it was America that abolished it is completely false.
:facepalm :oldlol:

When has 1776 come after 1807?

[IamRAMBO24]

Americans didn't oppress the blacks like most people want you to believe. Slavery existed before America.

As a matter of fact there were not blacks on this continent when America was founded. Indians did not ship blacks over here. It was the Europeans that shipped the blacks over here to use as slaves.

It wasn't till America was formally founded and matured as a nation that slavery was abolished. If it wasn't for America abolishing slavery, there would still be slaves.

Actually there are still slaves around this world more prevalent in Asian nations and India. Slavery still exist. America was poisoned with the notion of having slaves in its infancy but we quickly got rid of that.

We're still slaves.

This kind of slavery is even worse than the ones in chains. It's slavery of the mind.


After the slaves were free, they still acted as if they were still slaves, and a whole new field of study came from this (psychology), and ever since they've been using covert methods to control the minds of the population. Controlling the mass population is actually more top secret than the atom bomb.

[oarabbus]

You dont have a nation.

Are you trying to say the USA is not a nation?

[oarabbus]

We're still slaves.

This kind of slavery is even worse than the ones in chains. It's slavery of the mind.


After the slaves were free, they still acted as if they were still slaves, and a whole new field of study came from this (psychology), and ever since they've been using covert methods to control the minds of the population. Controlling the mass population is actually more top secret than the atom bomb.


IamRambo = Scientologist :eek:

[9erempiree]

It is documented in the 13th amendment that we abolished slavery in 1865, 55 years too long after you guys.

The fact that you guys still had slaves for the royal family says otherwise.

Like I said, the only black eye in American history is slavery and that wasn't even our own cause. It was influenced from Europe.

We had many great black leaders since.

[IamRAMBO24]

IamRambo = Scientologist :eek:

It is not by mere coincidence your educational system is set up like a prison and over emphasizes on slave history.

:rolleyes:

[dr.hee]

IamRambo = Scientologist :eek:

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tcruise.gif

[oarabbus]

It is not by mere coincidence your educational system is set up like a prison and over emphasizes on slave history.

:rolleyes:


No I mean your rhetoric really sounds like that of a Scientologist. Right down to the chained/trapped souls and psychology as mind control parts.

And if our educational system is set up like a prison... well, I got out, son.

[dr.hee]

Like I said, the only black eye in American history is slavery and that wasn't even our own cause. It was influenced from Europe.


:roll:

[9erempiree]

We're still slaves.

This kind of slavery is even worse than the ones in chains. It's slavery of the mind.


After the slaves were free, they still acted as if they were still slaves, and a whole new field of study came from this (psychology), and ever since they've been using covert methods to control the minds of the population. Controlling the mass population is actually more top secret than the atom bomb.

Nah bro.

I crucify those that still feel they are being held back because of things in the past. They don't get a free pass.

Those people are a sub-culture of what really happened. Like I said, America was in its infancy and you cannot blame us for slavery when it was ingrained in our mines from back East.

It wasn't till America matured as a nation that we felt it was time to abolish it and treat everyone equally.

[oarabbus]

Nah bro.

I crucify those that still feel they are being held back because of things in the past. They don't get a free pass.

Those people are a sub-culture of what really happened. Like I said, America was in its infancy and you cannot blame us for slavery when it was ingrained in our mines from back East.

It wasn't till America matured as a nation that we felt it was time to abolish it and treat everyone equally.


He's making a metaphor about our current existence to that of the slaves of American history. He's not literally talking about physically enslaved people.

[IamRAMBO24]

It is documented in the 13th amendment that we abolished slavery in 1865, 55 years too long after you guys.

The fact that you guys still had slaves for the royal family says otherwise.

Like I said, the only black eye in American history is slavery and that wasn't even our own cause. It was influenced from Europe.

We had many great black leaders since.

America didn't want to abolish slavery. They had to find a reason to go to war with the south. Southern states wanted to break away from the federal government.

[9erempiree]

:roll:

You know nothing about this so please stay away.

weggehen!

[step_back]

It is documented in the 13th amendment that we abolished slavery in 1865, 55 years too long after you guys.

The fact that you guys still had slaves for the royal family says otherwise.

Like I said, the only black eye in American history is slavery and that wasn't even our own cause. It was influenced from Europe.

We had many great black leaders since.

You just said 1776. You're now backtracking.

The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 abolished slavery throughout the British Empire. That's 32 years before the United States. Stop trying to make out like the US wasn't part of an awful human atrocity. It had independence and still continued with slave labour internally.

Don't undermine history.

[9erempiree]

You just said 1776. You're now backtracking.

The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 abolished slavery throughout the British Empire. That's 32 years before the United States. Stop trying to make out like the US wasn't part of an awful human atrocity. It had independence and still continued with slave labour internally.

Don't undermine history.

Like I said, America was in its infancy.

It takes time to get the East's train of thought and culture out of our blood. Like you said it took 32 years and 32 years is a good amount of time to proceed to the next generation. Guess what? We quickly abolished that rubbish thinking in record time, where it usually takes generations.

At least a generation to get it out of the previous generation. I say we did a good job.

[dr.hee]

You know nothing about this so please stay away.

Nah, it's funny because slavery wasn't simply brought to "you people" by "European influences". All "You people" were Europeans :roll:

[step_back]

Like I said, America was in its infancy.

It takes time to get the East's train of thought and culture out of our blood. Like you said it took 32 years and 32 years is a good amount of time to proceed to the next generation. Guess what? We quickly abolished that rubbish thinking in record time, where it usually takes generations.

So it took America 32 years to start thinking for itself?

It also doesn't change the fact that you didn't abolish slavery first like you had claimed previously. It also wasn't quickly abolished. In fact didn't you have a war between the Union and the confederacy which had strong opposing stances on the very issue of slavery?

Come on man I'm from England I shouldn't have to clarify your own countries history.

[ROCSteady]

This is a really interesting post.

I too understand what you're getting at and I often feel that a western philosophy towards work (Capitalism) actually suppresses our feeling of freedom. We heavily judge each other on wealth and material things when really we should judge on personal traits. This means we often over compensate at work and are always looking for ways of making more money to live in bigger houses, drive better cars, wear more expensive clothes etc when really we should be seeking out what freedom really is. Exploration, knowledge, equal rights and life experience.

I love the core of what freedom is. I honestly think we take it for granted and lack perspective on just how important democracy is. Where freedom doesn't exist the living quality is poorer.

This too is an interesting post. I will add that what you describe is very true and methodical for most who play into the powerful constructs of capitalism and always selling something/ yourself.

This mentality also breeds phony people who are not genuine to who they actually are and what they think. It's all a devised template that people play to be safe and that often means long term financial security.

In a way, that notion to be a company man or be what is expected most of the day doesn't really go well within the idea and concept of freedom. While we are free to strive and accumulate assets, equity, portfolios, we become somewhat of a constrained person wearing a fancy uniform.

[IamRAMBO24]

Like I said, America was in its infancy.

It takes time to get the East's train of thought and culture out of our blood. Like you said it took 32 years and 32 years is a good amount of time to proceed to the next generation. Guess what? We quickly abolished that rubbish thinking in record time, where it usually takes generations.

At least a generation to get it out of the previous generation. I say we did a good job.

Ya but if the south didn't secede, then Lincoln wouldn't abolish slavery.

[B][I]"In an 1858 letter, Lincoln said,

[9erempiree]

So it took America 32 years to start thinking for itself?

It also doesn't change the fact that you didn't abolish slavery first like you had claimed previously. It also wasn't quickly abolished. In fact didn't you have a war between the Union and the confederacy which had strong opposing stances on the very issue of slavery?

Come on man I'm from England I shouldn't have to clarify your own countries history.

Nobody is asking you to clarify things.

Read and study your history with an open mind. Don't read and think everything is fact.

[9erempiree]

Nah, it's funny because slavery wasn't simply brought to "you people" by "European influences". All "You people" were Europeans :roll:

Not really.

As soon as they stepped foot on American soil, they were pretty much on their own without a country except the land they touched down on.

So they had to survive without the comfort of their mother country. That is called suffering and surviving. This also led to the first experience and train of thought as being an American. "You are out on your own."

From this, they developed the American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better. That is what we live by till this day on.

All that European train of thought went out the door but too bad slavery stuck around.

If you and I was stranded on an island, I don't think we would care where we came from because that island is apart of us. This is how the "American" came about.

[step_back]

Nobody is asking you to clarify things.

Read and study your history with an open mind. Don't read and think everything is fact.

I wouldn't have to clarify anything if you posted FACTS in the first place. Also you're not in any position to say that I should study my history with an open mind when you clearly aren't doing so yourself. It's hypocritical.

My intention was not to argue with you. But when someone makes bold claims which are wrong most people including yourself will feel compelled to step in and clarify.:cheers:

[step_back]

This too is an interesting post. I will add that what you describe is very true and methodical for most who play into the powerful constructs of capitalism and always selling something/ yourself.

This mentality also breeds phony people who are not genuine to who they actually are and what they think. It's all a devised template that people play to be safe and that often means long term financial security.

In a way, that notion to be a company man or be what is expected most of the day doesn't really go well within the idea and concept of freedom. While we are free to strive and accumulate assets, equity, portfolios, we become somewhat of a constrained person wearing a fancy uniform.

Superb post. My thoughts as well.

Future rep.

[9erempiree]

I wouldn't have to clarify anything if you posted FACTS in the first place. Also you're not in any position to say that I should study my history with an open mind when you clearly aren't doing so yourself. It's hypocritical.

My intention was not to argue with you. But when someone makes bold claims which are wrong most people including yourself will feel compelled to step in and clarify.:cheers:

This thread has lasted longer than it should have. Everyone should have just ended it where I left off.

Anyways...

What bold claims am I making?

I posted facts about why we are the "free(est)" country in the world and that is because we have the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights alone, supersedes anything that anyone has brought to the table in this discussion.

Bill of Rights alone, tells you why we are a free country.

[dr.hee]

Not really.

As soon as they stepped foot on American soil, they were pretty much on their own without a country except the land they touched down on.

So they had to survive without the comfort of their mother country. That is called suffering and surviving. This also led to the first experience and train of thought as being an American. "You are out on your own."

From this, they developed the American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better. That is what we live by till this day on.

All that European train of thought went out the door but too bad slavery stuck around.

If you and I was stranded on an island, I don't think we would care where we came from because that island is apart of us. This is how the "American" came about.

Something I'm actually interested in...is the notion of "being American" really an integral part of your identity? This concept of a collective mindset distinctive for a specific nation ("the American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better")...do you guys really take this stuff seriously? Honest question, because I simply don't get it. Sounds like something out of a self-help book to me. You know, those self-affirmating routines and stuff like that.

Just sounds like a lot of pathos to me, the whole "That's what we live by this day on" thing...just imagine some stupid flag and cheesy music in the background while you're saying this with a hand on your heart. I mean do you honestly believe that these collective mindsets exist for more than 300 million U.S. citizens any more than for *insert other country*? To me that's ingroup bias at it's finest.

[step_back]

This thread has lasted longer than it should have. Everyone should have just ended it where I left off.

Anyways...

What bold claims am I making?

I posted facts about why we are the "free(est)" country in the world and that is because we have the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights alone, supersedes anything that anyone has brought to the table in this discussion.

Bill of Rights alone, tells you why we are a free country.

You know exactly what you said. You claimed America abolished slavery first when it hadn't. This is the issue we've been debating for the last few pages.:rolleyes:

I'm not going to ask you to admit that you're wrong on this particular fact, but you won't learn anything from denial either.

[9erempiree]

Something I'm actually interested in...is the notion of "being American" really an integral part of your identity? This concept of a collective mindset distinctive for a specific nation ("the American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better")...do you guys really take this stuff seriously? Honest question, because I simply don't get it. Sounds like something out of a self-help book to me. You know, those self-affirmating routines and stuff like that.

It is not something we think about, it is apart of us. Not one American is bragging about this notion except me. I am a on a message board so I feel like I need to tell those that don't understand.


Just sounds like a lot of pathos to me, the whole "That's what we live by this day on" thing...just imagine some stupid flag and cheesy music in the background while you're saying this with a hand on your heart. I mean do you honestly believe that these collective mindsets exist for more than 300 million U.S. citizens any more than for *insert other country*? To me that's ingroup bias at it's finest.

It only sounds like that when I am preaching to the choir.

Every American knows what I am talking about. It's the Euros I am targeting.

[dr.hee]

It is not something we think about, it is apart of us. Not one American is bragging about this notion except me. I am a on a message board so I feel like I need to tell those that don't understand.



It only sounds like that when I am preaching to the choir.

Every American knows what I am talking about. It's the Euros I am targeting.

You didn't explain a single thing though...

That's why I'm mainly trolling Euroleague and stuff like that...when I for once try to have a serious conversation, people don't respond with substance. Did you even read my post?

[9erempiree]

BTW...my I have a French speaking Belgian and a German from Cologne as friends. They agree to my sentiments.

I have taken 6 years of French and traveled so I know what I am talking about. Ca va bien.

[oarabbus]

Something I'm actually interested in...is the notion of "being American" really an integral part of your identity? This concept of a collective mindset distinctive for a specific nation ("the American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better")...do you guys really take this stuff seriously? Honest question, because I simply don't get it. Sounds like something out of a self-help book to me. You know, those self-affirmating routines and stuff like that.

Just sounds like a lot of pathos to me, the whole "That's what we live by this day on" thing...just imagine some stupid flag and cheesy music in the background while you're saying this with a hand on your heart. I mean do you honestly believe that these collective mindsets exist for more than 300 million U.S. citizens any more than for *insert other country*? To me that's ingroup bias at it's finest.

Short answer: yes and no, depends on the people.

The thing that's getting lost here is that there is no collective American mindset. Like you said, 300 million people. We are the 3rd and 4th largest country in the world, by population and land mass, respectively. The differences are vast. There are some people who look at all the wars we are engaged in with a legitimate, genuine "YEAAAAAH FVVVCK YEAH AMERICA, FVCK THOSE _____ UP!" and probably haven't even left their own county or state, much less having visited another country.

Then there are millions of us disgusted by that mindset and have been to other countries (no, I don't mean the sorority girl who "went to Paris for a week") and actually care about the world at large, can think independently, and aren't blinded by any nationalistic propaganda.

It's just like any other country. You'll find ignorant people and educated people, friendly people and assholes, insanely xenophobic and patriotic individuals, and self-hating Americans who despise their homeland.

You'll find all of the above and a lot more.

[DonDadda59]

Tiger blood and the tears of bald eagles. :rockon:

[longtime lurker]

Because of the freedom to SUPERSIZE your fast food! Amuuuuuurca fvck yeah!

[dr.hee]

Short answer: yes and no, depends on the people.

The thing that's getting lost here is that there is no collective American mindset. Like you said, 300 million people. We are the 3rd and 4th largest country in the world, by population and land mass, respectively. The differences are vast. There are some people who look at all the wars we are engaged in with a legitimate, genuine "YEAAAAAH FVVVCK YEAH AMERICA, FVCK THOSE _____ UP!" and probably haven't even left their own county or state, much less having visited another country.

Then there are millions of us disgusted by that mindset and have been to other countries (no, I don't mean the sorority girl who "went to Paris for a week") and actually care about the world at large, can think independently, and aren't blinded by any nationalistic propaganda.

It's just like any other country. You'll find ignorant people and educated people, friendly people and assholes, insanely xenophobic and patriotic individuals, and self-hating Americans who despise their homeland.

You'll find all of the above and a lot more.

Thanks for the response :cheers:

I was mainly hoping that 9er could explain the reasoning behind his patriotic rhetorics a bit. The minds of people who are really emotionally connected to a specific country, symbols and collective identity is something that's interesting to me. Maybe because I'm German and the Third Reich was based on the same principles of collective identity as any kind of patriotism, don't know...
I've never heard a patriot coherently verbalize the motivation and rationale behind this mindset. Don't like it if I don't understand stuff, lol. Not being patriotic or being indifferent are things I get, just don't understand the motivation for mindsets including phrases like
American mentality of believing in yourself and strive to be better. That is what we live by till this day on.

...now maybe 9er is just trolling me, lol. But I know many people actually think that way. Just don't get why...are they really going "yeah, that makes sense" in their head?

[oarabbus]

Thanks for the response :cheers:

I was mainly hoping that 9er could explain the reasoning behind his patriotic rhetorics a bit. The minds of people who are really emotionally connected to a specific country, symbols and collective identity is something that's interesting to me. Maybe because I'm German and the Third Reich was based on the same principles of collective identity as any kind of patriotism, don't know...
I've never heard a patriot coherently verbalize the motivation and rationale behind this mindset. Don't like it if I don't understand stuff, lol. Not being patriotic or being indifferent are things I get, just don't understand the motivation for mindsets including phrases like

...now maybe 9er is just trolling me, lol. But I know many people actually think that way. Just don't get why...are they really going "yeah, that makes sense" in their head?

:cheers:

:lol @ the bold. It's too true. The extreme patriot types generally resort to "we are just the best" without any critical thinking, or insults in other cases. "Dude the NSA is spying on all our sh1t!"

"So? You got something to hide? Who cares? FVCK Snowden, traitorous asshole! Are YOU a fvkin traitor?"

I can't say for sure what 9er's mindset is, but the type of person you're describing definitely does exist, and they don't seem to give any coherent arguments. Some people will call you un-American for that too, I'm just like for what? For not blindly believing everything the government tells me and caring about the rest of the world? It's also really interesting that you mention that from a German perspective, the arguments seem identical to the Third Reich. One thing that certainly appears to be happening is that America is getting far more polarized than it has been before, with each of our two parties becoming more extreme.

[dr.hee]

The extreme patriot types generally resort to "we are just the best"

Well if they had good reasons for believing they da bess, I'd be fine with that. Just...have some damn reasons. The same with stuff like, I don't know...take racism as an example. Leaving aside the whole "It's immoral and wrong and bad..." kind of thinking for a moment. That's not the point. If someone had a legit reason for saying ethnicity xy is inherently stupid or greedy or whatever...then that's something I'd have to accept no matter what my personal moral guidelines might be.
But it seems like patriotism isn't based in reality that much. I can only speak from the experiences I have in Germany, and it's more like those people are struggling big time to understand their own actions at all. Sometimes I wonder whether some people are basically on auto-pilot the whole time with no introspection at all.

One more thing...I hope this didn't come across the wrong way...didn't mean to compare the 3rd Reich with current America. I was referring to the principles behind collective identity and stuff like that, which are somehow programmed into humans, and far more general and omnipresent than we'd like. Scary stuff imo, considering there are still people alive who experienced stuff like the Holocaust while we're fooling ourselves into believing that we've "changed" and "evolved" somehow.

[secund2nun]

America is not free. They just think they are. The corporations own the government and as a result own the Americans. You can't even drink freaking raw milk in this country. According to Americans as long as you have ipads, starbucks, and mcdonalds you are free no matter what.

[oarabbus]

America is not free. They just think they are. The corporations own the government and as a result own the Americans. You can't even drink freaking raw milk in this country. According to Americans as long as you have ipads, starbucks, and mcdonalds you are free no matter what.

Somewhat true.

[CelticBaller]

America is not free. They just think they are. The corporations own the government and as a result own the Americans. You can't even drink freaking raw milk in this country. According to Americans as long as you have ipads, starbucks, and mcdonalds you are free no matter what.
ha gay!!!!

[MightyWhitey]

America is not free. They just think they are. The corporations own the government and as a result own the Americans. You can't even drink freaking raw milk in this country. According to Americans as long as you have ipads, starbucks, and mcdonalds you are free no matter what.
:facepalm What conspiracy theory rubbish is this?

[MightyWhitey]

Somewhat true.
:facepalm Ohhh boy I guess some people need to open up a book instead of watching Zeitgeist and Alex Jones on youtube.

[MMM]

Americans are free no doubt but not more so than any other developed western nation. I think it is somewhat wrong to say that the disparity of freedom between America and other nations has disappeared because people are following american examples. Looking at the statistics of corruption, mobility, civil liberties, etc I don't quite see America as being the most free. Even if we take into account the role an economy plays on how free a society is I believe America falls a bit short in that regard in that as well.

[CeltsGarlic]

one thing is funny how guys drop statements like "ever" "most" "of all time" :lol

seems like the world started at 1776.

[tomtucker]

free my ass........no internet freedom......... my nba forum post, regarding lebron broken nose : "Ibaka was and still is a dirty fukker...........ship him back to the Congo please, where he can roam with the other savages"

was deleted 5 secs after posting :facepalm

[Balla_Status]

Alright, I'm going to respond to this shit.

I'm not trying to act like some prick that has lived outside of America for 10 months in another country and suddenly I'm an authority on shit but this is just my opinion.

People outside of America are SO OBSESSED with America. I'm not sure if it's because we're such an interesting country in terms or stupid shit that happens or for other education/psychology reasons. I mean, just look at the foreigners in here. They are always the same people commenting on everything thread that involves America yet they love America sports, watch american movies, watch american TV shows, listen to American music and just plain love discussing what's going on in America. And then they go and talk shit about America and their "distaste" for America and their politics and their culture. It's mind boggling really. They deem Americans as ignorant and whenever they meet Americans, guess what, they're usually judging them as so. So who's the ignorant one here? The traveling american that is trying to culture himself a bit and learn about what's going on outside America or the foreigner that's already judging the American and quizzing him on gun laws right out of the gate? I always laugh when Aussies and kiwis try to discuss this with me. Your country is white people and asians who are (statistically) the most educated and generally privileged folk in the world. Not to mention the large amount of gun violence in Sydney. There are so many other aspects to America culturally, racially, historically and socially in comparison to other countries that it is really ignorant to even try and compare them to your home country. They call americans paranoid for wanting guns then feel like whenever they travel in any american city, they feel like at any second someone will pull a gun on them and shoot them, who's the paranoid one again?

I digress.

[dr.hee]

one thing is funny how guys drop statements like "ever" "most" "of all time" :lol

seems like the world started at 1776.

The act like the world didn't start 6000 years ago...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zQofJZ8mRDw/UJAPzq1mUoI/AAAAAAAAhqo/n8VRhKK0d_E/s400/jesusdino05.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KCbzHV9dcWs/UhE2YvDsxiI/AAAAAAAABMM/zs1i73JmA_E/s1600/raptor_jesus_dinosaur.jpg

[ICONIC]

Alright, I'm going to respond to this shit.

I'm not trying to act like some prick that has lived outside of America for 10 months in another country and suddenly I'm an authority on shit but this is just my opinion.

People outside of America are SO OBSESSED with America. I'm not sure if it's because we're such an interesting country in terms or stupid shit that happens or for other education/psychology reasons. I mean, just look at the foreigners in here. They are always the same people commenting on everything thread that involves America yet they love America sports, watch american movies, watch american TV shows, listen to American music and just plain love discussing what's going on in America. And then they go and talk shit about America and their "distaste" for America and their politics and their culture. It's mind boggling really. They deem Americans as ignorant and whenever they meet Americans, guess what, they're usually judging them as so. So who's the ignorant one here? The traveling american that is trying to culture himself a bit and learn about what's going on outside America or the foreigner that's already judging the American and quizzing him on gun laws right out of the gate? I always laugh when Aussies and kiwis try to discuss this with me. Your country is white people and asians who are (statistically) the most educated and generally privileged folk in the world. Not to mention the large amount of gun violence in Sydney. There are so many other aspects to America culturally, racially, historically and socially in comparison to other countries that it is really ignorant to even try and compare them to your home country. They call americans paranoid for wanting guns then feel like whenever they travel in any american city, they feel like at any second someone will pull a gun on them and shoot them, who's the paranoid one again?

I digress.
Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid.

I hate Americans. Obnoxious idiots.

[CeltsGarlic]

Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid.

I hate Americans. Obnoxious idiots.

tbh they are anything but lazy. Those guys dedicate their life to working till death. Poor guys.

[Nick Young]

Alright, I'm going to respond to this shit.

I'm not trying to act like some prick that has lived outside of America for 10 months in another country and suddenly I'm an authority on shit but this is just my opinion.

People outside of America are SO OBSESSED with America. I'm not sure if it's because we're such an interesting country in terms or stupid shit that happens or for other education/psychology reasons. I mean, just look at the foreigners in here. They are always the same people commenting on everything thread that involves America yet they love America sports, watch american movies, watch american TV shows, listen to American music and just plain love discussing what's going on in America. And then they go and talk shit about America and their "distaste" for America and their politics and their culture. It's mind boggling really. They deem Americans as ignorant and whenever they meet Americans, guess what, they're usually judging them as so. So who's the ignorant one here? The traveling american that is trying to culture himself a bit and learn about what's going on outside America or the foreigner that's already judging the American and quizzing him on gun laws right out of the gate? I always laugh when Aussies and kiwis try to discuss this with me. Your country is white people and asians who are (statistically) the most educated and generally privileged folk in the world. Not to mention the large amount of gun violence in Sydney. There are so many other aspects to America culturally, racially, historically and socially in comparison to other countries that it is really ignorant to even try and compare them to your home country. They call americans paranoid for wanting guns then feel like whenever they travel in any american city, they feel like at any second someone will pull a gun on them and shoot them, who's the paranoid one again?

I digress.
I know! All these countries that "hate" Americans, most of the people dream about going to America, or living in New York. They watch american movies and TV shows and where shirts and clothes with American flags on them or baseball caps with American teams. The fact is the world is envious of America, the same way I imagine the people of Gaul were envious of Rome.

[Balla_Status]

Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid.

I hate Americans. Obnoxious idiots.

Exactly my point.

Continue on being an ignorant ****.

[Balla_Status]

I know! All these countries that "hate" Americans, most of the people dream about going to America, or living in New York. They watch american movies and TV shows and where shirts and clothes with American flags on them or baseball caps with American teams. The fact is the world is envious of America, the same way I imagine the people of Gaul were envious of Rome.

Wouldn't say they're envious of America. Usually those that travel to America get their opinions changed.

I had a really long ass post but ISH logged me out the *****. I'll go through it again.

[ICONIC]

Exactly my point.

Continue on being an ignorant ****.
Go eat your McDonalds and watch your 'football' you American fggt.

But no, I was being sarcastic. I'm American myself and I agree with what you said. :facepalm

[Balla_Status]

Go eat your McDonalds and watch your 'football' you American fggt.

But no, I was being sarcastic. I'm American myself and I agree with what you said. :facepalm

:cheers:

Kewl.

[Balla_Status]

Some dude from England is the LAST person to be dissing USA.

What does England have to offer?

Nice landscapes to go hiking? Doesn't really matter cus the weather is shit.
Nice beaches? No. All rocks. Water is too cold and the weather is shit.
Nice women? Nah. All wear too much make up. Fat. Smoke and have shit teeth. (And emulate american females).
Nice cities? London is the most overrated city in the world. The only people that enjoy it are american females that think they're cultured for doing so.
World wide famous for absolute shit food.
Nice beer? Not any better than America due to micro breweries.
No access to natural resources and not famous for any kind of real economy. You guys just mooch of other european countries.

Replica of America but way, way, way worse.

Come to America or Australia sometime mate and maybe they can show you what the sun looks like. Might be ****ing epiphany type shit for a pommy **** like you.

[step_back]

Some dude from England is the LAST person to be dissing USA.

What does England have to offer?

Nice landscapes to go hiking? Doesn't really matter cus the weather is shit.
Nice beaches? No. All rocks. Water is too cold and the weather is shit.
Nice women? Nah. All wear too much make up. Fat. Smoke and have shit teeth. (And emulate american females).
Nice cities? London is the most overrated city in the world. The only people that enjoy it are american females that think they're cultured for doing so.
World wide famous for absolute shit food.
Nice beer? Not any better than America due to micro breweries.
No access to natural resources and not famous for any kind of real economy. You guys just mooch of other european countries.

Replica of America but way, way, way worse.

Come to America or Australia sometime mate and maybe they can show you what the sun looks like. Might be ****ing epiphany type shit for a pommy **** like you.

Who are you ranting at? Also what are you basing all this of?

[Balla_Status]

Don't get me wrong. America has its issues. Its politics are just as ****ed as everyone elses. Culturally, they're too influenced by marketing campaigns (see diamond engagement rings...probably the biggest scam out today).

They actually do believe America is the greatest country in the world and nothing is that great outside of it. Therefore, they dont travel and continue their ignorance. And Americans that do travel outside continue to be identified as canadians which honestly, we don't feel offended because culturally we've been taught to feel sorry for canadians. :lol But seriously, Americans are taught to believe nothing great exists outside of America or its too unsafe so they simply don't. It's dumbfounding to me that some don't even own a passport at age ****ing 25. They don't learn another language and don't continue to educate themselves. The women become self-entitled because they are taught to be that way by their parents (little princess) and various hollywood movies when they don't even compare to women across that world who are WAY more cultured and educated. And in way better shape as well.

Work culture is better outside of America but it's harder to get shit done which is a bit unfortunate but whatever. I can **** off for a coffee (not watered down dirt shit like in America) with my work mates or a customer and not get hassled for it.

One of the best innovations America has come up with is microbreweries. Australia is copying the shit of America in that and has to order all their brewing shit from America.

[Balla_Status]

Who are you ranting at? Also what are you basing all this of?

Been to England many times dude. Going to Brighton in June for a wedding as well for my cousin. I always have a good time there but it's because my family is great on the english side. They're a little less drama free so I'll give english people that.

And my Dad's english. Moved to Texas and never moved back to England. :lol

Ranting at pinhead btw.

[step_back]

Been to England many times dude. Going to Brighton in June for a wedding as well for my cousin. I always have a good time there but it's because my family is great on the english side. They're a little less drama free so I'll give english people that.

And my Dad's english. Moved to Texas and never moved back to England. :lol

:roll:

You cast your net and I got caught. I feel so embarrassed :facepalm

[Balla_Status]

:roll:

You cast your net and I got caught. I feel so embarrassed :facepalm

You're cool. It's mainly pinhead that's uneducated. Sure he baited me in like a mofo but I just had to respond.

I was rooting for you guys in the lions tour.

[Trentknicks]

Alright, I'm going to respond to this shit.

I'm not trying to act like some prick that has lived outside of America for 10 months in another country and suddenly I'm an authority on shit but this is just my opinion.

People outside of America are SO OBSESSED with America. I'm not sure if it's because we're such an interesting country in terms or stupid shit that happens or for other education/psychology reasons. I mean, just look at the foreigners in here. They are always the same people commenting on everything thread that involves America yet they love America sports, watch american movies, watch american TV shows, listen to American music and just plain love discussing what's going on in America. And then they go and talk shit about America and their "distaste" for America and their politics and their culture. It's mind boggling really. They deem Americans as ignorant and whenever they meet Americans, guess what, they're usually judging them as so. So who's the ignorant one here? The traveling american that is trying to culture himself a bit and learn about what's going on outside America or the foreigner that's already judging the American and quizzing him on gun laws right out of the gate? I always laugh when Aussies and kiwis try to discuss this with me. Your country is white people and asians who are (statistically) the most educated and generally privileged folk in the world. Not to mention the large amount of gun violence in Sydney. There are so many other aspects to America culturally, racially, historically and socially in comparison to other countries that it is really ignorant to even try and compare them to your home country. They call americans paranoid for wanting guns then feel like whenever they travel in any american city, they feel like at any second someone will pull a gun on them and shoot them, who's the paranoid one again?

I digress.
Look I love America, but did you ever stop and think for a second that maybe it's because the US Government puts its nose in EVERYTHING in this world. I mean seriously, most Americans couldn't really pronounce or spell half the countries that you currently have troops in.

[dr.hee]

One of the best innovations America has come up with is microbreweries. Australia is copying the shit of America in that and has to order all their brewing shit from America.

I'm not Amercian...what's the exact difference between microbreweries as a pretty recent American innovation and the way beer has been brewed in small local breweries in Europe for centuries?

[MMM]

Been to England many times dude. Going to Brighton in June for a wedding as well for my cousin. I always have a good time there but it's because my family is great on the english side. They're a little less drama free so I'll give english people that.

And my Dad's english. Moved to Texas and never moved back to England. :lol

Ranting at pinhead btw.

pinhead is a fgt probably aint even English

[Balla_Status]

Look I love America, but did you ever stop and think for a second that maybe it's because the US Government puts its nose in EVERYTHING in this world. I mean seriously, most Americans couldn't really pronounce or spell half the countries that you currently have troops in.

Aussie troops aren't in Iraq/Afghanistan alongside US troops? Pretty sure they are.

What does US being involved in other country affairs have to do with Aussies being obsessed with our technology, fashion, movies, TV and music? Politics, fair enough for the reason you suggested but that doesn't excuse everything else.

[step_back]

You're cool. It's mainly pinhead that's uneducated. Sure he baited me in like a mofo but I just had to respond.

I was rooting for you guys in the lions tour.

Stella Artois has rotted his brain. I don't mind him being English and making a tit out of us on here. It helps towards supporting the idea of systematic euthanasia in the U.K.

[Balla_Status]

I must say it was a bit embarrassing watching Robocop in an Australia movie theater when at the end Samuel L. Jackson said, "America is the greatest country on this earth."

I had to facepalm.

[Trentknicks]

Aussie troops aren't in Iraq/Afghanistan alongside US troops? Pretty sure they are.

What does US being involved in other country affairs have to do with Aussies being obsessed with our technology, fashion, movies, TV and music? Politics, fair enough for the reason you suggested but that doesn't excuse everything else.
Not trying to attack the USA or anything because I love the culture and visit fairly regularly, just irritating when some idiot gets up and plays the land of the free > everywhere else card.

For the middle class and definitely lower classes, there are much better set ups than the current one throughout much of America.

[Balla_Status]

Stella Artois has rotted his brain. I don't mind him being English and making a tit out of us on here. It helps towards supporting the idea of systematic euthanasia in the U.K.

Stella Artois is considered a classy beer in America. :lol

I ordered it in England with my cousins and they looked at me all weird and said it was a poor, white trash, wife beater beer. Never looked at it the same since.

[Balla_Status]

Not trying to attack the USA or anything because I love the culture and visit fairly regularly, just irritating when some idiot gets up and plays the land of the free > everywhere else card.

For the middle class and definitely lower classes, there are much better set ups than the current one throughout much of America.

I agree completely mate. You won't see many Americans disagreeing with you that live in Australia. I currently live in Brisbane and I love living here. I like living here better than America. But like I said, Australia is a population of 23 million people (smaller than Texas) with only white people and asians. The situations are just not comparable. You guys are raised differently. Y'all are raised more "community" where America is more individualistic. That was stated more or less already in this thread.

I laughed my effing ass off when I saw the school uniforms the students wore here. It all starts from there.

I know the American navy has arrived when I actually see black people walking on the streets.

Australian beaches are the best kept secret on the planet btw.

[step_back]

Stella Artois is considered a classy beer in America. :lol

I ordered it in England with my cousins and they looked at me all weird and said it was a poor, white trash, wife beater beer. Never looked at it the same since.

Yep :lol

It happens with lots of import beers though. I used to drink an Italian Premium Lager called Peroni. It's quite expensive, especially when bottled in London Pubs. I was surprised when I went to Italy and saw every homeless man on the streets drinking it. I asked an Italian waiter what the deal was and he said it's just a cheap beer that students and the homeless neck to get drunk.

Felt like a right ass.

[Trentknicks]

I agree completely mate. You won't see many Americans disagreeing with you that live in Australia. I currently live in Brisbane and I love living here. I like living here better than America. But like I said, Australia is a population of 23 million people (smaller than Texas) with only white people and asians. The situations are just not comparable. You guys are raised differently. Y'all are raised more "community" where America is more individualistic. That was stated more or less already in this thread.

I laughed my effing ass off when I saw the school uniforms the students wore here. It all starts from there.

I know the American navy has arrived when I actually see black people walking on the streets.

Australian beaches are the best kept secret on the planet btw.
Had to LOL at this, I live on the GC but go to UQ in St Lucia and the only time you see a black person in the Valley is when the Navy is in town.

Dude, the Australian beaches on the GC are epic. 37 beaches on one coast, could it get any better? I live 15 min drive from them. I heard all this hype about Miami beach and to be honest was pretty dissapointed when I got there to see it. Dirty sand, poor waves etc, I mean miles in front of the black sand Europe gets but still.

What you do in Brissy?

[dr.hee]

Yep :lol

It happens with lots of import beers though. I used to drink an Italian Premium Lager called Peroni. It's quite expensive, especially when bottled in London Pubs. I was surprised when I went to Italy and saw every homeless man on the streets drinking it. I asked an Italian waiter what the deal was and he said it's just a cheap beer that students and the homeless neck to get drunk.

Felt like a right ass.

:oldlol:

[Balla_Status]

Yep :lol

It happens with lots of import beers though. I used to drink an Italian Premium Lager called Peroni. It's quite expensive, especially when bottled in London Pubs. I was surprised when I went to Italy and saw every homeless man on the streets drinking it. I asked an Italian waiter what the deal was and he said it's just a cheap beer that students and the homeless neck to get drunk.

Felt like a right ass.

Here's something that will rock your world:

Foster's is not drunk at all in Australia. In the 10 months I've been here, I've been to pubs in the outback, three different cities and all the way up north and have not seen ONE Foster's Can or Foster's on tap in any of them. And I have not seen it sold at all at any liqour stores.

And I know why. Foster's is SHIT.

[Balla_Status]

I'm not Amercian...what's the exact difference between microbreweries as a pretty recent American innovation and the way beer has been brewed in small local breweries in Europe for centuries?

Honestly, not sure. Maybe the amount? The microbreweries I've been to in Australia mirror those I've seen in America so that's why I make that statement.

Maybe America stole it from Europe but America started out as mass produced shit beer so I doubt it.

[step_back]

Here's something that will rock your world:

Foster's is not drunk at all in Australia. In the 10 months I've been here, I've been to pubs in the outback, three different cities and all the way up north and have not seen ONE Foster's Can or Foster's on tap in any of them. And I have not seen it sold at all at any liqour stores.

And I know why. Foster's is SHIT.

Most of it is brewed in the U.K :roll:

If one of my mates ordered a Fosters I'd consider whether or not to continue my friendship with him. It's absolute piss water.

Right now my favourite beers are Doom Bar and Bavaria.

[dr.hee]

Honestly, not sure. Maybe the amount? The microbreweries I've been to in Australia mirror those I've seen in America so that's why I make that statement.

Maybe America stole it from Europe but America started out as mass produced shit beer so I doubt it.

Yeah I had to google the term tbh, never heard of it before. Looks like the concept as a reaction to mass produced beer is pretty new and originating from America, but I know that over here in Germany many monasteries have been doing small scale brewing for centuries and you have many family owned local breweries that have been around forever. It's on the decline thought. In the 19th century, there were about 30.000(!) local breweries in Bavaria alone, today there are only a few hundred left.

[CeltsGarlic]

Most of it is brewed in the U.K :roll:

If one of my mates ordered a Fosters I'd consider whether or not to continue my friendship with him. It's absolute piss water.

Right now my favourite beers are Doom Bar and Bavaria.

Cosign. Somehow it doesnt get boring, like with most of the beers. :cheers:

[dr.hee]

Most of it is brewed in the U.K :roll:

If one of my mates ordered a Fosters I'd consider whether or not to continue my friendship with him. It's absolute piss water.

Right now my favourite beers are Doom Bar and Bavaria.

The dutch Bavaria? They aren't even allowed to use the name in Germany. Actual bavarian brewers were pissed and went to court :lol

[Balla_Status]

Had to LOL at this, I live on the GC but go to UQ in St Lucia and the only time you see a black person in the Valley is when the Navy is in town.

Dude, the Australian beaches on the GC are epic. 37 beaches on one coast, could it get any better? I live 15 min drive from them. I heard all this hype about Miami beach and to be honest was pretty dissapointed when I got there to see it. Dirty sand, poor waves etc, I mean miles in front of the black sand Europe gets but still.

What you do in Brissy?
Engineer in O&G. I live near the valley. Shit is nuts and it's great partying over there. I get to go out to Roma and central australia from time to time as well.

Gold Coast has great beaches and the people watching is great too. Always guaranteed some titties on the beach as well. Surfers is nice and I went to to coollangatta recently as well.

Love living here dude. And I'm identified as a cultured, atypical american so I get along great with aussies.

[HarryCallahan]

Engineer in O&G. I live near the valley. Shit is nuts and it's great partying over there. I get to go out to Roma and central australia from time to time as well.

Gold Coast has great beaches and the people watching is great too. Always guaranteed some titties on the beach as well. Surfers is nice and I went to to coollangatta recently as well.

Love living here dude. And I'm identified as a cultured, atypical american so I get along great with aussies.

You poor bastard.


Heard anyone say "Giz a smoke ya cvnt or i'll fvckin' bash ya, ya jeezus."

[Balla_Status]

You poor bastard.


Heard anyone say "Giz a smoke ya cvnt or i'll fvckin' bash ya, ya jeezus."

There's three neighbor hoods south/southeast of the Valley. But yes, I've heard the above. I just ignore them and keep walking.

And no, I've walked home many times between 2-5am and never been threatened.

The valley can be a bit dodgy for sure though. I remember when I first walked around I thought the Beat may look like an "aussie" place to go. I never went but was made aware that it was a gay club. :lol

[HarryCallahan]

There's three neighbor hoods south/southeast of the Valley. But yes, I've heard the above. I just ignore them and keep walking.

And no, I've walked home many times between 2-5am and never been threatened.

The valley can be a bit dodgy for sure though. I remember when I first walked around I thought the Beat may look like an "aussie" place to go. I never went but was made aware that it was a gay club. :lol

Once me and a mate bought thrift store suits and train tickets up to Goldy with only $500 between us, the clothes on our backs and our train tickets home. We went to the casino on Thursday night, then on a pub-crawl through friday morning, back to the casino through the afternoon and into the night, my mate got kicked out for being a dick, we went on another pub-crawl and then rode the trains getting a bit of sleep through the night. Had breakfast, sat on the beach drinking beer all day, another pub-crawl that night, somehow ended up walking trough the valley that night, ran into so many smashed abbo's, we started a game that we had to finish our drinks everytime someone asked us for a smoke or called us a "jeezus".

[Balla_Status]

Once me and a mate bought thrift store suits and train tickets up to Goldy with only $500 between us, the clothes on our backs and our train tickets home. We went to the casino on Thursday night, then on a pub-crawl through friday morning, back to the casino through the afternoon and into the night, my mate got kicked out for being a dick, we went on another pub-crawl and then rode the trains getting a bit of sleep through the night. Had breakfast, sat on the beach drinking beer all day, another pub-crawl that night, somehow ended up walking trough the valley that night, ran into so many smashed abbo's, we started a game that we had to finish our drinks everytime someone asked us for a smoke or called us a "jeezus".

Sounds like an epic weekend. I need to hit up some pub crawls on goldy.

Cairns was worse this past weekend. "Hey come over here bub."

[pinhead]

Thanks everyone for your views. I don't know why I am being picked on for.

[HarryCallahan]

Sounds like an epic weekend. I need to hit up some pub crawls on goldy.

Cairns was worse this past weekend. "Hey come over here bub."

Darwin is the worst I've seen. Can't blame em ,livingwith that humidity, I'd wanna drop cvnts too.

[HarryCallahan]

Thanks everyone for your views. I don't know why I am being picked on for.

Because you're a cvnt.

[pinhead]

Because you're a cvnt.

In your opinion. I am respected and liked by most people.

[HarryCallahan]

In your opinion. I am respected and liked by most people.

:yaohappy:

[Jailblazers7]

Here's something that will rock your world:

Foster's is not drunk at all in Australia. In the 10 months I've been here, I've been to pubs in the outback, three different cities and all the way up north and have not seen ONE Foster's Can or Foster's on tap in any of them. And I have not seen it sold at all at any liqour stores.

And I know why. Foster's is SHIT.

I'm not even sure I've seen people drink Foster's here. The only time I had one was at like a Buffalo Wild Wings during March Madness because they had cheap pounders.

[B-Easy8]

Straya Cvunnnntttttt

Love it though.

Best place to live.

[rufuspaul]

Ooh I love that the discussion has turned to beer. When I first moved to Charlotte you were lucky to find anything on tap that wasn't Bud or Budlight. Now there are currently 12 breweries in town making some damn good stuff. Just about every bar and restaurant carries at least a few of the local brews and some of the breweries themselves also have pubs connected to them. Love it.

[9erempiree]

I love America and it is the best. :cheers:

The fact that when I travel to other countries, people are inspired by me and interested in me because I am from here.

They see me as a very cultured individual who can speak 3 other languages including English. Women also want that D because they think I am some wild crazy cowboy.

Sometimes I got to lay it to them.....this is me
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02627/voight-pic-voight_2627599b.jpg

[pinhead]

I love America and it is the best. :cheers:

The fact that when I travel to other countries, people are inspired by me and interested in me because I am from here.

They see me as a very cultured individual who can speak 3 other languages including English. Women also want that D because they think I am some wild crazy cowboy.

You sound like a cool geezer. Respect to you, man.

[9erempiree]

I don't know what it is about European women but they are infatuated with us.

What's the stereotype over there in Europe? Are we known as some sexual beast?

[pinhead]

I don't know what it is about European women but they are infatuated with us.

What's the stereotype over there in Europe? Are we known as some sexual beast?

Mainland European women are mostly slags. They probably just want your money.

[Gabi]

I don't know what it is about European women but they are infatuated with us.

What's the stereotype over there in Europe? Are we known as some sexual beast?

I would assume it is the Eastern European girls, but they marry anyone to get away from there.

[9erempiree]

They think we can bang all day which is true but I think most European woman lust for a strong American man.

Be strong.

[riseagainst]

capitalism is a slave system for ~99% of the people.

[CelticBaller]

Alright, I'm going to respond to this shit.

I'm not trying to act like some prick that has lived outside of America for 10 months in another country and suddenly I'm an authority on shit but this is just my opinion.

People outside of America are SO OBSESSED with America. I'm not sure if it's because we're such an interesting country in terms or stupid shit that happens or for other education/psychology reasons. I mean, just look at the foreigners in here. They are always the same people commenting on everything thread that involves America yet they love America sports, watch american movies, watch american TV shows, listen to American music and just plain love discussing what's going on in America. And then they go and talk shit about America and their "distaste" for America and their politics and their culture. It's mind boggling really. They deem Americans as ignorant and whenever they meet Americans, guess what, they're usually judging them as so. So who's the ignorant one here? The traveling american that is trying to culture himself a bit and learn about what's going on outside America or the foreigner that's already judging the American and quizzing him on gun laws right out of the gate? I always laugh when Aussies and kiwis try to discuss this with me. Your country is white people and asians who are (statistically) the most educated and generally privileged folk in the world. Not to mention the large amount of gun violence in Sydney. There are so many other aspects to America culturally, racially, historically and socially in comparison to other countries that it is really ignorant to even try and compare them to your home country. They call americans paranoid for wanting guns then feel like whenever they travel in any american city, they feel like at any second someone will pull a gun on them and shoot them, who's the paranoid one again?

I digress.
this

you **** are more obsessed with america than us

[PieceOfFelt]

We can all learn alot from the American way of life. How can the rest of us be as free as you?

I don't know you smarmy brit ****. Maybe you should do some research yourself.

[knickballer]

probably because american media and culture dominate everywhere. American movies, songs, rappers, celebrities, etc, are popular everywhere because of hollywood's $$ and american $$ in the entertainment industry.

[Dresta]

the US has more "freedoms" than most countries, but true literal "freedom" can only be obtained by extreme wealth IMO

only the extreme wealthy have the freedom to do just about anything they want to do each day...the rest of us are slaves to the dollar
:roll: :roll:

Could you possibly by more asinine? It's incredible.

You've just spouted some banal platitudes as if it they had some kind of wisdom to them. Yet your words are completely empty, have no actual meaning, and sound like the sort of thing you'd hear from the deranged tramp who hangs out by the gas station.

What is this 'true literal freedom' you speak of? Who has the power to do anything they want? Since when did freedom entail 'being able to do whatever you want' anyway? You make no ****ing sense.

Slave to the dollar the man says while typing away on his computer screen while being able to expend time on an activity as frivolous as posting idiotic comments on a basketball forum. What a poor, helpless slave you are :facepalm .

There is an important debate needed about the erosion of freedom in this country, but what you're posting is just inane garbage, and the sort of thing that someone with the privileges you clearly have should be ashamed of saying.

edit:


maybe "slave" is a strong word, but money is what holds most of us back from doing what we REALLY want to do...

I would have loved to vacation around the world all year long and work on hobbies in my spare time instead of going to work this year...but I can't do that because I need money and so does my family...we are held back from our true desires because of no extreme wealth

(this doesn't mean we aren't happy in life)
Oh poor you, you can't jet round the world doing whatever you like for no expense and with no sacrifice. If i wanna **** Jessica Alba and she doesn't let me that doesn't make me a slave, it doesn't lessen my freedom, i just don't have the capability. I mean gosh, can i say i don't have the 'freedom' to be an NBA basketball player as well?

Perhaps you shouldn't have had kids and spent the money on yourself instead if that's what you wanted so much. So i guess you're more a 'slave' to your kids than you are to the dollar.

[Dresta]

I hope this thread is sarcastic tho. I struggled to see what more usa have to offer compared to europe for example.

I mean, I saw a guy getting sued because of racism as he made a stupid joke in my workplace when i was in us :lol
Europe has the bureaucratic hellhole that is the EU trying to micromanage everybody's lives.

Look, they're now trying to make it illegal to ridicule feminists/feminism:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/suggested-reading/eu-to-ban-anti-feminist-speech/

[QUOTE]In the Section 1 of the document, the EU defines its terms. So terms like

[Dresta]

America is not very free. There are too many stupid laws. I've been to a couple of 3rd world countries and they can get away with a lot more stuff than we can.
I echo this. In some ways you are more free in countries like Tunisia than you are here. There is far less micro-management of everyone's everyday lives in countries like these.

In the US people are so comfy and secure in their petty little lives that they'll allow any law or regulation to pass provided it brings a chance of lowering the death rate. And then they're too ignorant to realise that in many ways freedom and security are opposites, and that if you want to be free, you simply must accept increases risk as part of the deal.

[-p.tiddy-]

Dresta did you get beat up a lot as a child? forget to take your heroin this morning?...so much negativity and hate in you

true freedom to me is just having the "freedom" to do whatever you want to do with your life, but yes obviously there are some things that are impossible to aquire (being an NBA star, fcking Alba, flying like superman, etc)

and freedom to you is being able to post on a bball forum while working?...:facepalm



so we have different views on the word "freedom"...which is okay, it is a word with several definitions


Definition of FREEDOM

1
: the quality or state of being free: as
a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action
b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : independence
c : the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care>
d : ease, facility <spoke the language with freedom>
e : the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom>
f : improper familiarity
g : boldness of conception or execution
h : unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>
2
a : a political right
b : franchise, privilege


my views on freedom fall under A...yours idk

[Dresta]

Dresta did you get beat up a lot as a child? forget to take your heroin this morning?...so much negativity and hate in you

true freedom to me is just having the "freedom" to do whatever you want to do with your life, but yes obviously there are some things that are impossible to aquire (being an NBA star, fcking Alba, flying like superman, etc)

and freedom to you is being able to post on a bball forum while working?...:facepalm



so we have different views on the word "freedom"...which is okay, it is a word with several definitions



my views on freedom fall under A...yours idkYou have no necessity or coercion: you decided to have kids and thus provide for them, that is your decision, you decided you want to eat and sustain yourself, again your decision. Nobody is stopping you from begging change on the street or eating out of dustbins and drinking out of the river except for your own personal desire to satiate yourself, not necessity or coercion.

You are full of shit.

*guy sitting in front of his computer screen slothing around on an internet website moaning what a 'slave' he is*

How pathetic.

[-p.tiddy-]

You have no necessity or coercion: you decided to have kids and thus provide for them, that is your decision, you decided you want to eat and sustain yourself, again your decision. Nobody is stopping you from begging change on the street or eating out of dustbins and drinking out of the river except for your own personal desire to satiate yourself, not necessity or coercion.

You are full of shit.

*guy sitting in front of his computer screen slothing around on an internet website moaning what a 'slave' he is*

How pathetic.
I'm not moaning about what a 'slave' I am, I clearly stated I am happy in life regardless...my kids have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything in this debate

it is just my personal opinion that extreme wealth brings the most freedom possible...that's all, you can disagree if you want to but there is no need to slit your wrists over it

[CeltsGarlic]

Europe has the bureaucratic hellhole that is the EU trying to micromanage everybody's lives.

Look, they're now trying to make it illegal to ridicule feminists/feminism:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/suggested-reading/eu-to-ban-anti-feminist-speech/



Europe sucks ass.

Look, according to NBA rules there should be +100 travels called every game, but in reality no one cares. Just like that we dont really have a mentality to sue everyone everyday.

Just some blah blah blah, looks right but no one gives.

[Dresta]

I'm not moaning about what a 'slave' I am, I clearly stated I am happy in life regardless...my kids have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything in this debate

it is just my personal opinion that extreme wealth brings the most freedom possible...that's all, you can disagree if you want to but there is no need to slit your wrists over it
Once again, you are not talking about freedom, merely power or capability. The two are completely different things: one is the absence of physical coercion, the other is the ability to do some thing or the other. You are not a slave, you can do whatever you want provided you can procure the means and provided there is not a law preventing you from doing so.

I am not slitting my wrists; i'm simply tired of ignorant saps like yourself spouting off as if your opinion is as valid as anybody else's even when it is poorly informed, trite and completely ignorant.

You actually defined yourself as a slave because you have to work to provide for your family and cannot jet around the world whenever you feel like it. You are a complete and utter joke.


Look, according to NBA rules there should be +100 travels called every game, but in reality no one cares. Just like that we dont really have a mentality to sue everyone everyday.

Just some blah blah blah, looks right but no one gives.
These laws grant the police and prosecutors to pursue all kinds of ridiculous prosecutions. There have been cases in the UK of people being put behind bars for insulting Islam, for example, or for making tasteless jokes about dead kids, basically for being rude. There was one where they ruined a man's life over the possession of CGI created 'tiger porn' - it's not like the laws exist and are not enforced.

I'm not sure what NBA rules have to do with it at all.

[-p.tiddy-]

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/08/27/1226459/180391-mad-man-using-computer-thinkstock.jpg

^^^ Dresta

"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FREEDOM IS YOU SON OF BITCH SITTING THERE IN YOUR COZZZY CHAIR WITH YOUR KIDS!!! YOU'RE A JOKE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT!!!"

[ForeverHeat]

The worst thing about America is that even though it is one of the most advanced countries in the world, its people are often on a level below most of Europe when it comes to knowledge of the world, attitude, behaviour and overall classiness.

Another thing about USA is that it is very top heavy. London is Englands finest city, but there isnt a large dropoff in quality when you compare it to the rest of the country. Yet comparing certain parts of LA and New York to parts of Utah just shows theres no consistency in quality. America also has little to no historical relevance. It was a country inhibited by native americans and taken over by Europeans all within a few hundred years. Britain, which is so small in terms of size compared to America (I think Texas is 3 times as large as the England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland put together) has a rich history which includes a point where they pretty much achieved World Domination. Yet English people today never bring it up. They may not even know since no one gives a f*ck. Yet Americans are the ones bragging about their history and how they gained independence over the British Empire yada yada yada it sounds pathetic at times.

[Dresta]

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/08/27/1226459/180391-mad-man-using-computer-thinkstock.jpg

^^^ Dresta

"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FREEDOM IS YOU SON OF BITCH SITTING THERE IN YOUR COZZZY CHAIR WITH YOUR KIDS!!! YOU'RE A JOKE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT!!!"
Just admit you have no clue what you're talking about and are only babbling incoherently like some teenager.

Man on a keyboard, wow, nice insult. Though i suppose to you posting a picture is quite a taxing intellectual exercise, but it still has no relevance to what was being discussed, like 90% of your posts.

[-p.tiddy-]

no clue what I am talking about? it's my own opinion you fckin jackass...there is no set in stone rule for what "freedom" is...if I think being able to fart out loud when I wake up is true freedom then so be it

once again trying to define something fairly subjective as factual...and if anyone is babbling incoherently it is you, though I am surprised you haven't brought up my DUI yet, props on that

[0000000]

I love America and it is the best. :cheers:

The fact that when I travel to other countries, people are inspired by me and interested in me because I am from here.

They see me as a very cultured individual who can speak 3 other languages including English. Women also want that D because they think I am some wild crazy cowboy.

Sometimes I got to lay it to them.....this is me
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02627/voight-pic-voight_2627599b.jpg


Everyone is intrigued with America. It's just a very special place. It is the place. Although I have met some Americans traveling around Europe who pretended to be Canadians. It was circa 2007. They thought they would get shit for being Americans.

America is a top dog, as simple as that. I love the USA for one, always did.
I can understand the lowbrow aspect of it, like pop culture and generally all things associated with republican BS but all in all, when people don't like America or openly hate it, I'm pretty sure they have some problems.
Either they're idiots or people who are just frustrated with their own life. For real.

[I<3NBA]

America is less free today than it was 20 years ago. Corporations own America now.

People there don't realize it, but a lot of their freedoms are slowly being taken away from them.

[MadeFromDust]

Americans aren't so free any more. The current government players don't have the same concept of and appreciation for freedom as our founding fathers did of course. In fact, the founding fathers' beliefs, ideals, and practices are totally foreign to today's political heads. They look at the population today and just see Cha Ching, Bla Bling Bla Bling

[Dresta]

no clue what I am talking about? it's my own opinion you fckin jackass...there is no set in stone rule for what "freedom" is...if I think being able to fart out loud when I wake up is true freedom then so be it

once again trying to define something fairly subjective as factual...and if anyone is babbling incoherently it is you, though I am surprised you haven't brought up my DUI yet, props on that
No, words have definitions, and no amount of whining about how something is 'your opinion' will change the fact that it is wrong. You keep blabbering 'omg it's MY OPINION!!!' as if i were not already aware of that fact, and was only pointing out that your opinion is idiotic, facile and incorrect.

The word freedom has always been used as a means of distinguishing between the 'free-man' and the 'slave' - the man who lives by his own will, and the man who lives under the arbitrary will and power of another. That is what it means to be free; your 'opinion' doesn't come into it. To elucidate this for you: if a man is a slave, and his master grants him wealth, power (over other slaves), women etc., this does not make him any more 'free' or any less subject to the arbitrary will of his master, who still owns him. He may be happier, but he is not more free; he is not even more free than the homeless man still capable of making his own decisions, limited although they may be. This is the distinction you seem incapable of comprehending, but it is quite clear that we are talking about two quite distinctly different things, which would both be measured on different axes. Using the word freedom as you did destroys clarity, it degrades the language, and makes meaningful discourse nigh impossible.

But do go on: keep hiding your fallacious bullshit behind this mask of 'subjectivity' you cling to so dearly. 'I'm not wrong, it's just subjective see, words don't have acutal meanings, they mean whatever i want them to mean'

:hammerhead:

God, i hope you don't try to teach your kids anything: they'll never have a chance.

[-p.tiddy-]

I just posted the definition for freedom, it has many uses, and is definitely subjective to a great degree. Freedom can just be seen as state of mind.

And please never have kids Dresta... sure you'll tell them they are pssys if they don't smoke, blow smoke in their faces because you feel second hand smoke is harmless, and let them know it's okay to do opiates as long is they do it right.

You'll never have kids though because you're just some miserable fat slobby burnout working at your local head shop but thinks he has all the answers to life. Right now your just waiting for Ving Rhames to come busting in so you can try out your new gimp who is also your cousin.

[ROCSteady]

Some of the best head to head, 'versus' posting of the past couples months have been...

IAmRambo vs. everybody

Myself vs. Bless Mathews

& DEF Dresta vs. PT

Not that I go seeking confrontation, a message board rivalry can def be something to pay Attention to though lmao.

I remember all the headstrong dudes havin extended beef and arguments when I first started coming here

[Dresta]

I just posted the definition for freedom, it has many uses, and is definitely subjective to a great degree. Freedom can just be seen as state of mind.

And please never have kids Dresta... sure you'll tell them they are pssys if they don't smoke, blow smoke in their faces because you feel second hand smoke is harmless, and let them know it's okay to do opiates as long is they do it right.

You'll never have kids though because you're just some miserable fat slobby burnout working at your local head shop but thinks he has all the answers to life. Right now your just waiting for Ving Rhames to come busting in so you can try out your new gimp who is also your cousin.
I don't have kids but i certainly wouldn't do any of those things, though i would be honest about drugs rather than attempting to brainwash them, because if they have any spirit and independence at all (as i would hope) filling their brains with crap which is evidently untrue will only lead them to rebel (as you will find out provided your kids aren't placid and boring herd-animals).

Don't get the Ving Rhames reference and the rest of your insults are simply mindlessly contrived falshoods, that couldn't possibly have any validity to them. What hurts you is that what i say about you is true and you know it deep down. You are an imbecile with thoughts on everything but no fundamental basis for any of these thoughts, hence the constant incoherence, inconsistency and posting of irrelevant data. You post highly ambiguous statistics and polling data without context, and then think of it as objective proof, while you also say the meanings of words are subjective and only mean what you want them to mean. So for p.tiddy an apple=an orange, a man = a woman - because after all it is SUBJECTIVE!!

In your original post you clearly confused the word power with the word freedom; the two words have different meanings and definitions, and what you described was clearly the former. Then, of course, instead of acknowledging your idiotic mistake, you start ranting about subjectivity and spewing personalised insults like a rabid animal. Not that i would ever expect you capable of maintaining a coherent argument for longer than half a sentence.

[DCL]

the US has more "freedoms" than most countries, but true literal "freedom" can only be obtained by extreme wealth IMO

only the extreme wealthy have the freedom to do just about anything they want to do each day...the rest of us are slaves to the dollar

i agree with this opinion. the most well off people in some of the worst countries have more freedom than the "average joe" in the states. why? cuz they got money to do or buy whatever.

but if we compare the "average joe" in the states to the "average joe" for like 90% of the world, we still got it pretty good, dude.

[MavsSuperFan]

americans have freedoms because of the bill of rights