What is Philadelphia 76ers GM, Sam Hinke, doing?

[PleezeBelieve]

Got raped twice in 5 hours by trading proven expiring assets for less talented expiring assets and second round picks. :no:

[chocolatethunder]

Got raped twice in 5 hours by trading proven expiring assets for less talented expiring assets and second round picks. :no:
What he's doing is getting picks that he can package in the future. Trading an expirer for and expirer and picks is a win. Hinkie is doing just fine. You have to realize that the Sixers had no leverage w Turner because the whole league knew the Sixers weren't going to resign him. They made smart moves not bad ones.

[IncarceratedBob]

He's an idiot, has anyone ever thought otherwise?

[Ca$H]

Got raped twice in 5 hours by trading proven expiring assets for less talented expiring assets and second round picks. :no:

Tanking. I commend him for trying to out tank the bucks.

[Twiens]

Hardcore tanking

[Meticode]

They're tanking to try to get that top #1 pick next year. They have Noel. Not sure the future of Young. My assumption is they're not going for Embiid since they have Noel unless that doesn't work out. So I'm guessing they're shooting for Parker, Wiggins or Randle.

[PleezeBelieve]

They were "tanking" before he essentially gave away assets 25 cents on the dollar

Sounds like amateurs hour to me.

[Demitri98]

Problem is the Bucks aren't even trying to tank. They're just that bad :lol

[Jailblazers7]

What he's doing is getting picks that he can package in the future. Trading an expirer for and expirer and picks is a win. Hinkie is doing just fine. You have to realize that the Sixers had no leverage w Turner because the whole league knew the Sixers weren't going to resign him. They made smart moves not bad ones.

Yeah, pretty much this. I would have liked to see them get more for Turner but they clearly couldn't if this is the trade they executed. It is going to be a really ugly second half of the season tho.

[ProfessorMurder]

Noel, MCW, + top 3 pick this year = future

Who cares about Hawes and Turner?

[Meticode]

They were "tanking" before he essentially gave away assets 25 cents on the dollar

Sounds like amateurs hour to me.
Yes, but this is a whole new level. IF you're going to tank, you might as well try to get the most ping pong balls.

[Meticode]

Noel, MCW, + top 3 pick this year = future

Who cares about Hawes and Turner?
Young could still be a big part of that. He's still only 25.

[PleezeBelieve]

Again, these moves appear to me to be less about tanking than a GM who is in over his head. He hit on the Pelicans trade that got him MCW, but even then, in the moment the move was made it looked very questionable on paper.

[PleezeBelieve]

Noel, MCW, + top 3 pick this year = future

Who cares about Hawes and Turner?
They were on track for a top 3 pick with Hawes and Turner. Why do you people keep talking about a tank?

[Jailblazers7]

Again, these moves appear to me to be less about tanking than a GM who is in over his head. He hit on the Pelicans trade that got him MCW, but even then, in the moment the move was made it looked very questionable on paper.

So he made a good move, despite the fact that it went against conventional wisdom? Doesn't sound like someone in over their head to me.


Noel, MCW, + top 3 pick this year = future

Who cares about Hawes and Turner?

+ the Pelicans lotto pick (or just outside lotto) too.

[tanks1]

Again, these moves appear to me to be less about tanking than a GM who is in over his head. He hit on the Pelicans trade that got him MCW, but even then, in the moment the move was made it looked very questionable on paper.

How is he over his head? Noel + MCW last year, a top 3 pick this year, a potential 6-10 pick this year, expiring contracts and 20 million under the cap.............

[PleezeBelieve]

So he made a good move, despite the fact that it went against conventional wisdom? Doesn't sound like someone in over their head to me.
The MCW trade was one I personally approved of in the moment. Paying 10+ mill for middle of the road PGs makes no sense. You know, just like these moves made today

[blacknapalm]

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[chocolatethunder]

The MCW trade was one I personally approved of in the moment. Paying 10+ mill for middle of the road PGs makes no sense. You know, just like these moves made today
I think you're missing the point. They wanted first round picks for Turner and Hawes. They had no leverage because every GM around the league knew that they wouldn't be signing either of those two. So, the end up getting second round picks which they can package in later deals and they get rid if a shitty contract in Lavoy Allen. Again, shrewd moves not even close to amateur hour. They have a ton of cap space moving forward, a stock pile of picks which they may end up packaging w young before the draft. They have MCW and Noel who is an unknown but if he come back healthy he's exactly the kind of center that every team needs. A rebounding shot blocker who plays defense. So no, I don't think he's doing anything wrong at all.

[Joyner82reload]

Well he just handed Indiana the Eastern Conference. Unfortunately Turner does nothing for them against OKC, which Indiana has a 0% chance at beating in a 7 game series.

[Ca$H]

MCW + Noel + top 4 pick at worst(they will overtake the bucks for the worst record) + the 10th or 11th pick from the Pelicans. Super Stacked for the future.

Takes notes Kupchack. Hinke is a genius. That is how you build a dynasty

:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

There's a reason why some teams compete every year and other teams suck every year. People blame the markets, I blame the management.

[R.I.P.]

And in the 2014 Philadelphia 76ers expansion draft formerly known as the 2nd round. :oldlol:

[Doctor Jay]

he's assuming that...

- MCW will play on this years level for several more
- Noel will become a crafty NBA-Center who can battle with the best bigs in the leage
- they don't pick the one of the bottom up players in the draft that will not live up to his hype
- the next draft is so deep that you'll get decent bench players that can instantly play some minutes

so let's give up Hawes and Turner for Granger right before the deadline ends

[Jailblazers7]

Player taken in the 2nd round by Houston while Hinke was there:

Luis Scola
Chandler Parsons
Carl Landry
Chase Budinger

Sounds like a total amateur to me. Clearly guy who is out of his depth.

[R.I.P.]

Player taken in the 2nd round by Houston while Hinke was there:

Luis Scola
Chandler Parsons
Carl Landry
Chase Budinger

Sounds like a total amateur to me. Clearly guy who is out of his depth.

Yeah. He has a great eye for talent. But their current team is wow. I

[tontoz]

2nd round picks are underrated. If the player is productive you have him cheaply and if he doesn't work out you aren't stuck with a guaranteed deal. A smart GM (like Morey for example) can get a good production of 2nd round picks.

And of course they can be included in trades. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that he doesn't know what he is doing.

[Nets fan 93]

Player taken in the 2nd round by Houston while Hinke was there:

Luis Scola
Chandler Parsons
Carl Landry
Chase Budinger

Sounds like a total amateur to me. Clearly guy who is out of his depth.
Wasn't Scola drafted by the spurs?

[Jailblazers7]

Wasn't Scola drafted by the spurs?

Yeah, but they HOU traded for his rights and signed him. Not quite a straight up pick but they still saw an undervalued talent and acquired him for cheap. Kind of cheating but I wanted to show that he has an eye for talent lol.

[bootsy]

Got raped twice in 5 hours by trading proven expiring assets for less talented expiring assets and second round picks. :no:
Doing what any smart GM in the NBA should be doing, tearing down what has been a average mediocre team barely making the playoffs as a 7th/8th seed and getting swept in the playoffs for 10+ seasons and rebuilding and starting over instead of getting the 15th pick in the draft every year.

[kurple]

What he's doing is getting picks that he can package in the future. Trading an expirer for and expirer and picks is a win. Hinkie is doing just fine. You have to realize that the Sixers had no leverage w Turner because the whole league knew the Sixers weren't going to resign him. They made smart moves not bad ones.
2nd round picks doesnt count as assets. no trade value, and how often does 2nd round picks pan out?

[GOBB]

2nd round picks doesnt count as assets. no trade value, and how often does 2nd round picks pan out?

How often do non lottery picks pan out? Plenty of solid role players in the NBA courtesy of the 2nd rd. How do 2nd rd picks not count as assets yet teams trade them, package them in trades? Cavs had 3 2nd rd picks, no trade value yet they went for Spencer Hawes. Wait what?

[kurple]

How often do non lottery picks pan out? Plenty of solid role players in the NBA courtesy of the 2nd rd. How do 2nd rd picks not count as assets yet teams trade them, package them in trades? Cavs had 3 2nd rd picks, no trade value yet they went for Spencer Hawes. Wait what?
they got hawes because the sixers are stupid

no team will give up a good pick or good young prospect for 2-3 2nd round picks on draft night

[kurple]

a 2nd round pick can get you guys like byron mullens or austin daye. is that really what the sixers want?

[D-FENS]

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Tankadelphia

[Rasheed1]

a 2nd round pick can get you guys like byron mullens or austin daye. is that really what the sixers want?

you can package 2nd rd picks and a player to move into the 1st just enough to grab a player who the 6ers may like

the 76ers already have a couple of high first rounders.. they parlay those 2nd picks into another first round pick

someone already mention all the good players Hinke has drafted in the 2nd rd



Luis Scola
Chandler Parsons
Carl Landry
Chase Budinger

[GOBB]

a 2nd round pick can get you guys like byron mullens or austin daye. is that really what the sixers want?

The Sixers need to put together a team. You can't say the Sixers are stupid for getting 2 2nd rd picks for a guy they were going to lose at seasons end. They got something for nothing. What happens to those 2 2nd rd picks? Who knows.

Mario Chalmers has been the Heat starting PG for quite some time. Danny Green has been a solid role player for the Spurs adding a 3pt shooter and perimeter defense. Chandler Parsons has been solid for the Rockets as a 3pt threat and playmaker. Kyle Korver is one of the leagues best 3pt snipers.

Sixers are going to need quality role players, glue guys to fill out the roster. In a deep draft class the Sixers have options to do their homework and evaluate talent by using the picks, maybe using them to move up. I'm not going to sit here and say they have been a shitload of talented players in the 2nd rd. But if your team can scout right you may get lucky. Whats wrong with having the option to possibly add a role player or two for nothing (Hawes)?

Sixers could f*ck up those picks or they could do something worthwhile with them via selection or trade. No you're not trading 2 2nd rd picks for a lottery pick. But if Sixers are using Pelicans pick and say they are at 12. And want to get to 10? 2nd rd picks plus the Pelicans pick may be enough to trade up and get your guy. Options and yes I'm fully aware Sixers could botch them.

[jzek]

Re-writing the books on how to take tanking to the grandest level.

[senelcoolidge]

Noel, MCW, + top 3 pick this year = future

Who cares about Hawes and Turner?

In 3 years Noel and MCW or one of them will probably not be on the team anymore.

[GOBB]

In 3 years Noel and MCW or one of them will probably not be on the team anymore.

Based on what

[chocolatethunder]

The Sixers need to put together a team. You can't say the Sixers are stupid for getting 2 2nd rd picks for a guy they were going to lose at seasons end. They got something for nothing. What happens to those 2 2nd rd picks? Who knows.

Mario Chalmers has been the Heat starting PG for quite some time. Danny Green has been a solid role player for the Spurs adding a 3pt shooter and perimeter defense. Chandler Parsons has been solid for the Rockets as a 3pt threat and playmaker. Kyle Korver is one of the leagues best 3pt snipers.

Sixers are going to need quality role players, glue guys to fill out the roster. In a deep draft class the Sixers have options to do their homework and evaluate talent by using the picks, maybe using them to move up. I'm not going to sit here and say they have been a shitload of talented players in the 2nd rd. But if your team can scout right you may get lucky. Whats wrong with having the option to possibly add a role player or two for nothing (Hawes)?

Sixers could f*ck up those picks or they could do something worthwhile with them via selection or trade. No you're not trading 2 2nd rd picks for a lottery pick. But if Sixers are using Pelicans pick and say they are at 12. And want to get to 10? 2nd rd picks plus the Pelicans pick may be enough to trade up and get your guy. Options and yes I'm fully aware Sixers could botch them.

You shoulda heard Hinkie on 610 yesterday. Anthony interviewed him and it was awesome. He explained their plan and answered all the questions thoroughly. He was saying that they are in this for the long haul. He has not interest in bringing in any free agents right now (expensive ones) and just wants to build through the draft and with a coach who is on board and a good teacher with a system in place that they believe in. They are doing it the San Antonio/OKC way. He said to expect the team to be bad next year too because he feels that you have to really get that bad before you get good. There aren't any real shortcuts. He also said that they can miss on a guy in the draft of they could draft a bust and was being very candid. Also, what people need to remember about second round picks is that you can get a young guy in Europe and you can also get a guy who came out too early and you can develop them. After that interview I feel even more confident in Hinkie and their long term plan. I'm totally on board and I don't care that they are gonna suck next year too.

[Dr.J4ever]

You shoulda heard Hinkie on 610 yesterday. Anthony interviewed him and it was awesome. He explained their plan and answered all the questions thoroughly. He was saying that they are in this for the long haul. He has not interest in bringing in any free agents right now (expensive ones) and just wants to build through the draft and with a coach who is on board and a good teacher with a system in place that they believe in. They are doing it the San Antonio/OKC way. He said to expect the team to be bad next year too because he feels that you have to really get that bad before you get good. There aren't any real shortcuts. He also said that they can miss on a guy in the draft of they could draft a bust and was being very candid. Also, what people need to remember about second round picks is that you can get a young guy in Europe and you can also get a guy who came out too early and you can develop them. After that interview I feel even more confident in Hinkie and their long term plan. I'm totally on board and I don't care that they are gonna suck next year too.
:applause: I agree 100%

[GOBB]

You shoulda heard Hinkie on 610 yesterday. Anthony interviewed him and it was awesome. He explained their plan and answered all the questions thoroughly. He was saying that they are in this for the long haul. He has not interest in bringing in any free agents right now (expensive ones) and just wants to build through the draft and with a coach who is on board and a good teacher with a system in place that they believe in. They are doing it the San Antonio/OKC way. He said to expect the team to be bad next year too because he feels that you have to really get that bad before you get good. There aren't any real shortcuts. He also said that they can miss on a guy in the draft of they could draft a bust and was being very candid. Also, what people need to remember about second round picks is that you can get a young guy in Europe and you can also get a guy who came out too early and you can develop them. After that interview I feel even more confident in Hinkie and their long term plan. I'm totally on board and I don't care that they are gonna suck next year too.

Nice and I've always felt it would be in the best interest for the Sixers to stink next season as well. I look at free agency and there isn't much worth killing not only your cap but screwing yourself for a few years. What he is saying is what I was hoping the Sixers had in mind. Good to hear. Going to see if there is articles on this interview or not. I like the mindset Hinkie.

[brantonli]

Nice and I've always felt it would be in the best interest for the Sixers to stink next season as well. I look at free agency and there isn't much worth killing not only your cap but screwing yourself for a few years. What he is saying is what I was hoping the Sixers had in mind. Good to hear. Going to see if there is articles on this interview or not. I like the mindset Hinkie.

Pretty much the Detroit mode for the last few years. Made big FA signings (Ben Gordon, Charlie V), traded away players that turned out to be pretty good (Afflalo, A Johnson). It's pretty interesting how Hinkie and Morey worked together for so long in Houston, but the strategy Hinkie has for the Sixers couldn't be more different than the Rockets. I'll be very interested in observing the 76ers for the next few seasons, considering Morey went for the 'go for the 8th seed every year' whereas Hinkie has gone full tank mode.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I'm totally on board and I don't care that they are gonna suck next year too.

I'm fairly optimistic that, if Noel can be the player he was once slated to be, and Wiggins or Parker with MCW, they can be an interesting team. I don't think they'll be in the playoffs next year, but I wouldn't expect to see them around the bottom 3 again.

[chocolatethunder]

2nd round picks doesnt count as assets. no trade value, and how often does 2nd round picks pan out?
Yes of course they count as assets. You know why? Because after about pick number 20, it's a total crapshoot so pick 20 is just as bad as pick 40. Lots of quality players are picked in the second round. You can get young guys who've come out too early and also young euros and keep them in Europe. How do you think teams like San Antonio and and OKC have built their teams? By drafting smart. And every now and then dudes like VanExel and Arenas come up in the second round.