Splitting California into Six States

[shaq2000]

Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/petition-to-split-california-into-six-states-gets-green-light/

http://i.imgur.com/YGaW2qE.jpg

[oarabbus]

Tim Draper filed a ballot initiative in December stating that because of recent social and economic changes California has become “nearly ungovernable.”

This is true. We got a lot of ****ing problems in this state that are stupid and should have been easily avoidable but the ballot system makes it hard to get anything done, among other things.

6 states seems a bit excessive, though. 2 or 3 tops.

[9erempiree]

California is just too big to be governed by one government. We are like a country here and even though I believe it is too big to be governed, I think we should stick together.

There is the United States of America and there is California.

California is the best.

[oarabbus]

California is just too big to be governed by one government. We are like a country here and even though I believe it is too big to be governed, I think we should stick together.

There is the United States of America and there is California.

California is the best.


:applause:

[shaq2000]

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[9erempiree]

http://i.imgur.com/jh4jVt5.jpg

Kind of messed up that West California wants to leave out Bakersfield. :oldlol:

They could easily claim Bakersfield with how the border is lined up. West Cali should take Bakersfield and South California.

[CeilingFan#1]

This is true. We got a lot of ****ing problems in this state that are stupid and should have been easily avoidable but the ballot system makes it hard to get anything done, among other things.

6 states seems a bit excessive, though. 2 or 3 tops.

This. If we are going to split states because there are subtle differences between one area and another, we might as well split up every large city into a separate state from suburban and rural areas.

[KevinNYC]

Personally, I'm hoping my petition to form the state of Dakota goes through.

[Meticode]

This caught my eye...


If California were its own separate country, it would have the eighth-largest economy in the world.

[cuad]

"West California"? Rofl. Call it Los Angeles, you fk**s. The proposed names are terrible, and so are the boundaries. How dare they group the east bay slime with the glorious peninsula. Whoever drew up this map is clearly from Sacramento, 'cause he wanted nothing to do with Stockon (lol @ Stockton + Fresno + Bakersfield), and he's claiming Santa Rosa (SRJC, baby!) even though it just makes no sense.

[Swaggin916]

I'm down... Then we can start charging So Cal for all that water they take and do nothing of value with.

[cuad]

Split it into a million states, Tim Draper. It'll do little to stop the Mexican takeover.

[Flash31]

6 States
Thats way too damn much.

Jefferson?WTF?
Exactly what kind of economy is up there,theres almost 0 major cities compared to rest of Cali.

Itll be like taking Florida and splitting up far east where it gets Hosed hard.

Silicon Valley can support itself-home of Microsoft,google,computer technology,porn companies.
LA region is fine bc LA and Santa Barbara-probably two most highest gdp places
San Diego and san Francisco regions-fine.


Thsi is still gonna severely cut LA down HARD though.
Without the economy coming from all of Cali but with LA
being the epicenter of money going through--Dont Know.


Sound interesting but 6 states is too much
2-4 would work
either North Cali and South
North,West,Central,South Cali would work.


Hell Miami had the same Idea.But miami is roughly 50+% of Floridas gdp and revenue,and theyre nothing like any other Fl city and its like its own state basically.

Miami and its whole surrounding areas make up over 6+ million people,
The tourism industry and Miamis revenue are keeping Fl what it is.

Though even if Calis gov cant keep it up,
if they all become own state,YOU Still need a Governor
and then knowing LA if it bevomes its own state--
tax and everything in general will become absurdly expensive.

Idvsay lets do it then,but with 2-4 states,add Miami as well on its own,
Split up Vegas from Nevada-it has its own rules and governed differentl than rest of Nev,split up Chicago from Illinois,NYC from NY and there
you go.

[falc39]

Born, raised, and living in California. Heck no to splitting the best state. Too large to govern? It's been this large for 100+ years and now suddenly it's too large to govern? :lol

Central California: Stockton, Fresno, Bakersfield......... At least they get Yosemite park, otherwise, what a dump :oldlol:

[Myth]

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[MMM]

so should USA be split up into other countries because it is to big to govern???

personally i wouldn't mind seeing smaller governments

[Jakeh008]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/CAMap-progress.png


This is all they need to do.

[Myth]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/CAMap-progress.png


This is all they need to do.

I agree with that.

[MMM]

Nor Cal>>>Lo Cal>>>So Cal

[MMM]

or they can give off sections of Cali to Nevada and Oregon

[ICONIC]

California will presumably collapse into the Pacific Ocean by 2042.

Or should I say Californias. :oldlol:

What a god damn joke.

[Myth]

or they can give off sections of Cali to Nevada and Oregon

Split up Oregon and make a separate state from Medford/Grants Pass to the Chico and Mendocino Forest areas.

[Nick Young]

One California! In times of strife we Californians must stick together. Together we are the greatest state in history!

Unity my brothers! Vote to stay united!

[Nick Young]

California will presumably collapse into the Pacific Ocean by 2042.

Or should I say Californias. :oldlol:

What a god damn joke.
No, according to Al Gore california was going to be sunk in the ocean by 2013:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Keep dreaming global warming chicken littles

[gts]

lol that's the dumbest idea ever

[MavsSuperFan]

splitting cali into 6 states would give cali 12 senators.

that would totally unbalance the senate and gave liberals dominance in the country. I would be ok with this, but it hardly seems fair.

[MavsSuperFan]

One California! In times of strife we Californians must stick together. Together we are the greatest state in history!

Unity my brothers! Vote to stay united!
You realize splitting would give you more power right?
2 senators per state regardless of population
and the electoral college is biased towards smaller states.

Also for the record the only state in the union with the unilateral right to split itself without federal approval is texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE
starts at 2:05

texas has a weird clause that allows it to split into 5 states if it wishes.

[MMM]

splitting cali into 6 states would give cali 12 senators.

that would totally unbalance the senate and gave liberals dominance in the country. I would be ok with this, but it hardly seems fair.

3 of the Cali states could lean republican

[MavsSuperFan]

3 of the Cali states could lean republican
I am not that familiar with cali politics, but I thought dems were pretty dominant in that state?

Also even if they leaned republican there is a difference between a north eastern republican (Eg. Romney, Giuliani, Christie, etc) and a deep south or midwest republican (Demint, Santorum, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, etc) . I am sure that same applies for california.

On actual social issues, like gun rights, abortion, gay rights, etc. they differ a lot. Eg schwarzenegger was actually quite liberal by national standards.

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[kentatm]

On actual social issues, like gun rights, abortion, gay rights, etc. they differ a lot. Eg schwarzenegger was actually quite liberal by national standards.


More like the Republicans have swing so far right that the average Repub from 15 or so years ago would get called RINO.

[oarabbus]

I am not that familiar with cali politics, but I thought dems were pretty dominant in that state?

Also even if they leaned republican there is a difference between a north eastern republican (Eg. Romney, Giuliani, Christie, etc) and a deep south or midwest republican (Demint, Santorum, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, etc) . I am sure that same applies for california.

On actual social issues, like gun rights, abortion, gay rights, etc. they differ a lot. Eg schwarzenegger was actually quite liberal by national standards.


The state as a WHOLE votes democratic, but it actually really isn't. The coastal areas, in particular the Bay Area/Silicon Valley, and LA to San Diego plus all the metro areas, are very very liberal and democratic. Far and away the rest of the state is actually HIGHLY conservative, believe it or not. There is tons and tons of agriculture and farming in CA, and farmers tend to be the same type of red regardless of where they're located. Yes, the deep south republican may not be the same as the CA republican but you can be damn sure they'd agree on a good number of issues.

If you were to split CA into an East/West (or rather, Coastal/Inland) you would see that the West is highly liberal and the East would be extremely conservative. The overall appearance doesn't seem that way to non-Californians since the part of the state that gets projected to the rest of the world is SF(Bay Area)/LA/SD.

Just like most people (me included) don't know **** about the state of New York, in fact the general perception is that
"New York as a whole in terms of political demographics must be like NYC" but I'm sure that isn't the case.

[9erempiree]

splitting cali into 6 states would give cali 12 senators.

that would totally unbalance the senate and gave liberals dominance in the country. I would be ok with this, but it hardly seems fair.

Not really.

Central California is dominated by conservatives. Only north and south are more liberal.

[MavsSuperFan]

Not really.

Central California is dominated by conservatives. Only north and south are more liberal.

The state as a WHOLE votes democratic, but it actually really isn't. The coastal areas, in particular the Bay Area/Silicon Valley, and LA to San Diego plus all the metro areas, are very very liberal and democratic. Far and away the rest of the state is actually HIGHLY conservative, believe it or not. There is tons and tons of agriculture and farming in CA, and farmers tend to be the same type of red regardless of where they're located. Yes, the deep south republican may not be the same as the CA republican but you can be damn sure they'd agree on a good number of issues.

If you were to split CA into an East/West (or rather, Coastal/Inland) you would see that the West is highly liberal and the East would be extremely conservative. The overall appearance doesn't seem that way to non-Californians since the part of the state that gets projected to the rest of the world is SF(Bay Area)/LA/SD.

Just like most people (me included) don't know **** about the state of New York, in fact the general perception is that
"New York as a whole in terms of political demographics must be like NYC" but I'm sure that isn't the case.

I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)

As the Republican nominees continue to support the Komen Foundation, one of the candidates has a past that he wishes he didn't exist. Mitt Romney is known for his constant flip-flopping on issues, abortion being one of them, but no one seems to be talking about his past with Planned Parenthood. While Romney was running for Senate in 1994, The Boston Globe reports that Mitt Romney and his wife wrote a check to Planned Parenthood showing their support and even attending a fundraiser. Romney was pro-choice during his time running for Senate and during his time as Governor of Massachusetts, but knowing the radical stance of Republicans on the issue Romney has changed his views in hopes of winning the Republican presidential nominee.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-supported-and-donated-to-planned-parenthood-and-is-now-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.

[oarabbus]

I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-supported-and-donated-to-planned-parenthood-and-is-now-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.

Eh. We're underrepresented as it is now in the Senate. Yes, Senate vs. House and all that, but still. Yes, you can't technically be underrepresented in the Senate. But still.

[yobore]

Rich Californians trying to offload poorer parts of California. Silicon Valley folks not wanting their taxes going to others.

[yobore]

I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-supported-and-donated-to-planned-parenthood-and-is-now-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.
If you create republican-dominated rural states they will elect southern-like republicans no matter where you put them. Moderate republicans won't rise to the top in a truly conservative district.

[oarabbus]

Rich Californians trying to offload poorer parts of California. Silicon Valley folks not wanting their taxes going to others.

Silicon Valley is only one part of CA. The bigger issue is that the CA budget is straight fvcked and **** can't get done due to the ballot measure system, not silicon valley.

[Myth]

I am not that familiar with cali politics, but I thought dems were pretty dominant in that state?



That is because LA and San Fran have huge portions of the population that are liberal. Like every state, big cities tend to be liberal and more rural areas tend to be conservative. You split the state into 6, and some of those states will consist mostly of rural areas that would vote republican.

[UtahJazzFan88]

This ain't happening.

[JtotheIzzo]

Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/petition-to-split-california-into-six-states-gets-green-light/

http://i.imgur.com/YGaW2qE.jpg


Red and purple would be the methiest shithole ever.

[Raymone]

All except Yellow and Green would be poor and shitty states.

Actually, Orange is somewhere in the middle with San Diego and Palm Springs.

[russwest0]

Damn, imagine the politicians having to make the rounds to each Californian state for the next presidential election :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Oh wait, it's a blue state so no one cares :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[bdreason]

Never gonna happen. They discussed splitting the state about a decade ago... then the southern counties realized they get all their water from the northern counties.

[JtotheIzzo]

It makes perfect sense for the right to push for this.

You take three major blue states (Cali, Wash, and Colo) that have red pockets and you 'liberate' those red pockets, you've just created at least six more GOP senators.

They gerrymandered the **** out of the electoral districts, why not do the same with the senate?