NBA needs to allow hand checking again and get rid of zone

[CavaliersFTW]

This '____ shot 4 for 5 when guarded by ______' stat BS is driving me nuts. Like Lebron 'when defended by Durant' tonight.

Listen, players that play the exact same position literally don't guard each other anymore, do you guys not feel it makes for a sad excuse of a rivalry? Lebron and Durant are hardly EVER guarding each other, how the f*ck are we supposed to call that a rivalry when despite playing the exact same position they've probably only shot 30 times against each other in NBA competition throughout their lifetimes playing in the NBA... it's so fake and ridiculous for the media and fans to try and push that as a rivalry.

Get rid of zone to force one on one basketball, and enable hand checking so that 1 on 1 defense has a fighting chance again. I don't know why the **** the NBA got rid of hand checking in the first place it was such a terrible terrible idea, they basically destroyed 1 on 1 matchups in basketball. There is no potential for any real rivalry in basketball anymore, we're so fortunate to have the two best players on the planet right now with some overlap in their primes playing the EXACT same position... and they can't even guard each other because some profit-driven rules that decided hand checking and zone defense creates more 'movement' on the floor for the casual fans!? There's no such thing as a 1 on 1 matchup in NBA basketball anymore. We actual fans who'd like to see legitimate match ups are the ones missing out here.

/rant

[Bodhi]

But didn't they allow zone because everyone was sick of the ISO ball of the 90s?

[navy]

The idea that you cant play zone in the NBA is ridiculous. Handchecking should be allowed as long as you use one hand and dont impede movement.

Let's be honest. The nba is more exciting to watch then it use to be.

[Meticode]

The NBA won't change the rules. The rules manufactures too many superstars today and it'll hurt their marketing and brand if they do this. Players won't put up the stats fans like.

[Lebron23]

But didn't they allow zone because everyone was sick of the ISO ball of the 90s?


This. and you have guys like Jerry stackhouse who once averaged 29.8 ppg on 40 FG% in the early 2000's.

[russwest0]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Agreed with this post.

Damn, we need the rep system back.

[LeGOAT]

You need to stop caring about that bullshit and understand basketball is a team sport you shit for brains.

[Suguru101]

This '____ shot 4 for 5 when guarded by ______' stat BS is driving me nuts. Like Lebron 'when defended by Durant' tonight.

Listen, players that play the exact same position literally don't guard each other anymore, do you guys not feel it makes for a sad excuse of a rivalry? Lebron and Durant are hardly EVER guarding each other, how the f*ck are we supposed to call that a rivalry when despite playing the exact same position they've probably only shot 30 times against each other in NBA competition throughout their lifetimes playing in the NBA... it's so fake and ridiculous for the media and fans to try and push that as a rivalry.

Get rid of zone to force one on one basketball, and enable hand checking so that 1 on 1 defense has a fighting chance again. I don't know why the **** the NBA got rid of hand checking in the first place it was such a terrible terrible idea, they basically destroyed 1 on 1 matchups in basketball. There is no potential for any real rivalry in basketball anymore, we're so fortunate to have the two best players on the planet right now with some overlap in their primes playing the EXACT same position... and they can't even guard each other because some profit-driven rules that decided hand checking and zone defense creates more 'movement' on the floor for the casual fans!? There's no such thing as a 1 on 1 matchup in NBA basketball anymore. We actual fans who'd like to see legitimate match ups are the ones missing out here.

/rant

:biggums:

The casual fans like one on one hero ball, good fans don't want to see Dion Waiters go one on one half of his posessions... if you don't enjoy watching the whole team be involved and run sets go watch the Drew League or street ball.

:facepalm

[I<3NBA]

so you want one on one?

go watch boxing.

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums:

The casual fans like one on one hero ball, good fans don't want to see Dion Waiters go one on one half of his posessions... if you don't enjoy watching the whole team be involved and run sets go watch the Drew League or street ball.

:facepalm
Since when does that mean the whole team won't be involved :facepalm I see less teamwork on the current Cleveland Cavaliers than I do watching Cavs games from the 70's 80's or early 90's... the rules I pointed out enable man to man defense, it does not destroy the necessity of teamwork. In fact, I notice the opposite of what you assert to be true, with the perimeter game being completely hands off now, heroball is rampant NOW. The lane is wide open for business with the current rules.

I'd just like to see some actual matchups for once. You know, Lebron and Durant going at each other for almost an entire game, or Wade and Kobe, or Westbrook and Irving, etc. This is just my opinion, you guys are entitled to disagree but what I'm suggesting the rules go to certainly isn't any more an open invitation for a player to go into hero ball mode than having the league rules be that no defender can put his hands on you.

[Micku]

But didn't they allow zone because everyone was sick of the ISO ball of the 90s?

Late 90s and early 00s for the overly iso ball. Zone was suppose to promote team ball. And I think it was suppose to limit Shaq a bit.

The elimination of hand checking was suppose to make it easier for perimeter stars since they are easily marketable.

If hand checking was back in and zone was eliminated, we might see decrease of team ball like in the early 00s. Points could go down too depending on the mindset of the teams and coaches.

As a business, I don't see why you would want to go back to it if they make more money now. But it would be interesting to see again. But I like today's NBA over the early 00s because the increase of team ball. Although I miss post play and big men.

[iznogood]

I love zone and it's too bad teams don't use it more often (cause they don't execute correctly). Zone defense also exposes poor basketball foundamentals. Also it's a team sport, so go and watch some tennis if you like people playing 1:1.

[CavaliersFTW]

Get rid of the defensive 3 seconds, handchecking still happens sometimes especially in the playoffs, but yeah they should get rid of the rule aswell.

And 1on1>>team ball and movement??:facepalm
You guys are missing what I'm saying.

I want to see players guarding each other again, one on one. I don't want to see a game without teamwork. Teamwork existed in the era of hand checking and no-zone. You guys are aware of this right?

[aj1987]

They should also ignore goaltending like they did in the '60's and '70's.

[CavaliersFTW]

They should also ignore goaltending like they did in the '60's and '70's.
They didn't ignore it then, any more than they do now.

[AnaheimLakers24]

You need to stop caring about that bullshit and understand basketball is a team sport you shit for brains.
reported

[aj1987]

They didn't ignore it then, any more than they do now.
Then you must've been watching your Wilt videos with your Homer glasses on.

[Micku]

You guys are missing what I'm saying.

I want to see players guarding each other again, one on one. I don't want to see a game without teamwork. Teamwork existed in the era of hand checking and no-zone. You guys are aware of this right?

That's more of the mindset of the players and coaches, not the actual game on one on one defending and team ball as you said.

While hand checking makes it easier to defend guys one on one, there is no guarantee that you'll see LeBron defend Durant even if you get the rules that you want. They'll probably still switch it up to save LBJ on offense.

Besides...players didn't always guard their own position even when hand checking was allowed and zone was prohibited.

[CavaliersFTW]

Then you must've been watching your Wilt videos with your Homer glasses on.
My videos don't show YOU all the times Wilt actually was getting whistled for goal tending, some of my videos are designed to showcase his athleticism. Not officiating, that said Wilt did seem to get some benefit of the doubt on his blocks, but no more so than Dwight or Roy Hibbert do in the current era. When youv'e got the reputation as a defensive big/shot blocker and have earned your keep in the league, you get some of the 50/50 calls. That happens in any era. Anyways back on topic, what are your thoughts on hand checking?

[CavaliersFTW]

That's more of the mindset of the players and coaches, not the actual game on one on one defending and team ball as you said.

While hand checking makes it easier to defend guys one on one, there is no guarantee that you'll see LeBron defend Durant even if you get the rules that you want. They'll probably still switch it up to save LBJ on offense.

Besides...players didn't always guard their own position even when hand checking was allowed and zone was prohibited.
This is true but I think enabling hand checking enables players to actually be able to defend perimeter players much more effectively one on one and this changes the way coaches/players weigh their options defensively. I think there were more opportunities for good match ups under those rules.

[fpliii]

I actually like zones (though they've been around for decades in decades, hidden as something else), though I'm a defense-first guy. I'd like for hand-checking to return. Easing up on goaltending and defense 3 seconds would be fine in my book as well.

[aj1987]

My videos don't show YOU all the times Wilt actually was getting whistled for goal tending, some of my videos are designed to showcase his athleticism. Not officiating, that said Wilt did seem to get some benefit of the doubt on his blocks, but no more so than Dwight or Roy Hibbert do in the current era. When youv'e got the reputation as a defensive big/shot blocker and have earned your keep in the league, you get some of the 50/50 calls. That happens in any era. Anyways back on topic, what are your thoughts on hand checking?
I do admit that I troll I bit when it comes to Wilt, but thanks for being the better person and admitting it. From what I've seen, and it might just be around 5% of their whole careers, they did get away with a shitload of goal tends. More than what we see now.

When it comes to hand checking, the superstars are always gonna reign supreme. Players like LeBron, Durant, Wade, Westbrook, etc, players who are used to contuse in the game are not gonna get effected much. These guys are built like tanks and are superstars for a reason. Can't say the say for a bunch of other player though. Handchecking would definitely not limit them Superstars are gonna get get theirs no matter what. There have been perimeter players, who we've seen play in both eras, without much difference in PPG and FG%.

[CavaliersFTW]

I actually like zones (though they've been around for decades in decades, hidden as something else), though I'm a defense-first guy. I'd like for hand-checking to return. Easing up on goaltending and defense 3 seconds would be fine in my book as well.
That would be a nice compromise, I'd rather see handchecking back with zone left in place than never see hand checking return again. The fact that it no longer exists makes defending any half way decent offensive player from the perimeter on your own virtually impossible. This discourages man to man defense, and that potential match up and rivalry building that I wish existed.

[fpliii]

That would be a nice compromise, I'd rather see handchecking back with zone left in place than never see hand checking return again. The fact that it no longer exists makes defending any half way decent offensive player from the perimeter on your own virtually impossible.
Pretty much.

I might be in favor of stricter rules for doubling in the post to encourage back-to-the-basket play, but how would you implement that?

Curtailing threes a bit wouldn't be bad, but I'm not sure how you do that short of moving the line further out (meaning the court would have to be wider to lengthen corner 3s).

[iznogood]

I'm not sure how much effect on the game would hand checking really have the way ball handling is officiated today. It's too easy to gain advantage with dribbling players are allowed today and hand checking rule wouldn't change that.

[leMVP]

No, No, Nooooooo.

It's up to coaches to find ways to break down the defense, ball movement, good offensive sets.

Sorry, we don't want to watch Melo iso for 48 minutes.

Look at the crispness of Spurs offense, that's how basketball should be played. not some shitty 1 on 1.

[fpliii]

I'm not sure how much effect on the game would hand checking really have the way ball handling is officiated today. It's too easy to gain advantage with dribbling players are allowed today and hand checking rule wouldn't change that.
Forcing a guy to his weaker side, away from the basket, or into a defensive wall (if the zone remains) would be a huge advantage for man defenders though. Even if you have a guy with Kyrie or Rafer Alston handles, if a strong defender forces him away from his spots he's gonna struggle with his shot.

[CavaliersFTW]

Pretty much.

I might be in favor of stricter rules for doubling in the post to encourage back-to-the-basket play, but how would you implement that?

Curtailing threes a bit wouldn't be bad, but I'm not sure how you do that short of moving the line further out (meaning the court would have to be wider to lengthen corner 3s).
Moving the 3 point line would just increase spacing even more, teams would still take it quite often I think after a period of adjustment. The 3 point shot has it's merits, particularly for teams being able to win games when 3 points are needed to tie or seal a victory. I wonder how it would work out if the 3 point shot was only a shot in say, the 2nd half. Ala the old NBA vs ABA ASG's. Or perhaps a 4th quarter shot. That way you still get all the perks of the 3 point shot in crucial game winning situations, yet the game becomes a mid range and inside dominated game for at least the first half of every game. Big men and mid range specialists suddenly become bigger factors, encouraging growth in an area of basketball that has atrophied over time since the NBA has become ever so dependent that 3 point perimeter game and the spacing that it creates.

[CavaliersFTW]

No, No, Nooooooo.

It's up to coaches to find ways to break down the defense, ball movement, good offensive sets.

Sorry, we don't want to watch Melo iso for 48 minutes.

Look at the crispness of Spurs offense, that's how basketball should be played. not some shitty 1 on 1.
They can play their offense like that regardless of what I suggested... you realize I'm suggesting defensive changes not offensive ones, right? I feel like some of you don't understand what I even said, nor what it implies...

[iznogood]

The defender still needs to be in position to hand check properly, it's not like you can just push the players any way you like. I agree I'd make a difference, it's just not the difference that people imagine.

[plowking]

The NBA won't change the rules. The rules manufactures too many superstars today and it'll hurt their marketing and brand if they do this. Players won't put up the stats fans like.

Current rules promote team ball.

You're seriously one of the biggest puppets on this board. Do you just repeat common phrases?

One on one, handchecking era would just promote superstar play more than now. Star players would have the ball in their hands even more, score more, and team ball and movement would go down the drain, since help defense would be less available and players would have an easier chance of scoring taking on just the one defender.

Its no coincidence superstar scoring is down this era and there is less selfish play than ever before.

[CavaliersFTW]

Current rules promote team ball.

You're seriously one of the biggest puppets on this board. Do you just repeat common phrases?

One on one, handchecking era would just promote superstar play more than now. Star players would have the ball in their hands even more, score more, and team ball and movement would go down the drain, since help defense would be less available and players would have an easier chance of scoring taking on just the one defender.

Its no coincidence superstar scoring is down this era and there is less selfish play than ever before.
Whatsup plowking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrRnWEt3Z4

Iso ball you say is the result of hand checking and no zone?







vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvD25pK1B8

a one man team that can't be touched by anyone because of no hand check rules...






I hear you guys' fears of why you don't want handchecking allowed and zone rules abolished, but I don't see the connection. The opposite is what I see, actually.

[plowking]

Whatsup plowking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrRnWEt3Z4

Iso ball you say is the result of hand checking and no zone?

There are exceptions to the rule.

Team ball is better than ever now though, and that's a fact. Its not all about the superstars on the team.

EDIT: Keep posting one off videos, it really helps your case. Its not like I can go find videos from today's games with clear handchecking on copious possessions throughout the game. Same as going back to the 80's and 90's and find clear zones being played.
Basically, you're proving nothing.

[aj1987]

Whatsup plowking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrRnWEt3Z4

Iso ball you say is the result of hand checking and no zone?
Each Miami game has equally as good passes or more than that entire HIGHLIGHT video.

[fpliii]

They can play their offense like that regardless of what I suggested... you realize I'm suggesting defensive changes not offensive ones, right? I feel like some of you don't understand what I even said, nor what it implies...
Hm, what about this...super silly idea but, how about if each team gets 1 or 2 designated 3pt shooters at any given time? Nobody else can attempt the shot (well, I guess they can, but it'd be only worth two). Probably too hard to regulate or implement I guess, and makes it even more gimmicky.

[plowking]

Each Miami game has equally as good passes or more than that entire HIGHLIGHT video.

Just from today's game there was some absolutely incredible ball movement of the highest level.

One play in particular, Bron inside to Birdman between two defenders, with Birdman kicking out to Cole in the corner, then Cole up to Chalmers on the wing for a made 3. Had the OKC defense scrambling and looking silly.

[CavaliersFTW]

Just from today's game there was some absolutely incredible ball movement of the highest level.

One play in particular, Bron inside to Birdman between two defenders, with Birdman kicking out to Cole in the corner, then Cole up to Chalmers on the wing for a made 3. Had the OKC defense scrambling and looking silly.
Yes teamball can be played today...


Yes teamball was played in the 1980's or 90's or w/e when handchecking existed and zone was outlawed... you don't think Showtime or the Celtics had reached the pinnacle of ball movement?


Yes a 6-1 guard can drive from 40 feet out with the ball in their hands at the end of a game today unmolested for a game winning layup today.


No the same outcome would not be the same time after time if hand checking existed.



Enabling hand checking would reduce hero ball from the perimeter not increase it.

[aj1987]

Do you seriously believe that hand checking would hinder todays superstars? Serious question.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9567605&postcount=23

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you seriously believe that hand checking would hinder todays superstars? Serious question.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9567605&postcount=23
I've seen Kyrie Irving score layups countless times from handling the ball 40 feet out, dribbling the shot clock down, and than charging the basket... He's actually WON games like that nearly half a dozen times.

That is the kind of plays, that hand checking alone would serve to squelch. That isn't smart basketball, that actually isn't good team basketball at all. A 6-1 guard getting pressure from hand checking is not going to be making plays like that so routinely. Nobody is actually. Not Lebron, not KD, nobody. Hand checking is effective, if you don't think it is next time you play with your friends, play with hand checking, you'd be surprised how nice it is to move the guy you're defending around with your hand on his waist and you'd be unpleasantly surprised how hard it is to get the shots you want with someone doing the same to you.

Now, the reason I asserted I wanted the NBA to allow hand checking again was to promote the battles that used to go on in individual player matchups. Enabling hand checking changes the priorities of how defenses are run. It does NOT reduce the effectiveness of teamwork on OFFENSE which I feel many posters on here are erroneously thinking. Coaches would not be forced to into as many doubles and zones defensively if 1 great defender can slow another guy down more easily with his hands than he can now without his hands. I'm ASSUMING by allowing hand checking we'd get to see a lot more of KD and Lebron type games where those guys ACTUALLY spent significant amounts of time guarding each other, and jockeying for position around the floor. You know, something that would actually resemble a real rivalry, 2 players really going at it. Rather than all these rotations and zones. The teamwork on the offensive end would absolutely still be in tact, it is what happened on the defensive end that would change and become potentially more 1 on 1 oriented as 1 on 1 defense would become a far more effective defensive option when the coach needs a 'stop' than it currently is right now.

[Micku]

That would be a nice compromise, I'd rather see handchecking back with zone left in place than never see hand checking return again. The fact that it no longer exists makes defending any half way decent offensive player from the perimeter on your own virtually impossible. This discourages man to man defense, and that potential match up and rivalry building that I wish existed.

I wouldn't mind that, but I remember how the play was back in the early 00s too. It wasn't really fun to watch except for a couple of teams like the Kings, Lakers and Mavs imo. I wouldn't want to encourage iso ball too much like it was in the early 00.

I don't know about moving the 3pt line further out tho. It'll probably encourage more interior play and create more spacing for the post players to do their thing, but it may decrease scoring as well.



Do you seriously believe that hand checking would hinder todays superstars? Serious question.


Not the top tier superstars, but they may have some trouble driving and finishing. It may affect some stars like Harden and some PGs.

[Euroleague]

The NBA does not allow zone defense. So how can it get rid of it?

[Hoopz2332]

No, No, Nooooooo.

It's up to coaches to find ways to break down the defense, ball movement, good offensive sets.

Sorry, we don't want to watch Melo iso for 48 minutes.

Look at the crispness of Spurs offense, that's how basketball should be played. not some shitty 1 on 1.


:applause:

[Jailblazers7]

Agree with handchecking but I'm fine with allowing zone.

[Dr.J4ever]

So I think most of us are in agreement that the NBA defensive 3 second rule, which allows for a limited zone, has increased team play and removed much of the iso 1 on 1 stuff from the 90s. To me, it has also put a premium on perimeter shooting. I believe the NBA, in general, shoots better from the perimeter than ever before.

So my question is, why not go all out? Why not eliminate the 3 second rule completely? Just go the FIBA route? The NBA's problem today is everyone knows there are only 3-4 teams every year that can really win a title, and that's being generous. Another problem of the league is superstars dictate, and dominate.

Teams that rely on team ball with no superstars have no chance come playoff time. This is why the league has to promote individuals, and not teams, because if you live in an NBA city with a bad team, why would you watch the NBA, if not to root for a favorite player? You can root for Lebron, your hero, even if you live in Sacramento with a perennial loser.

This creates imbalance, and less excitement, unlike the NFL, where every team has a chance to emerge. In the NFL, you really have a chance to emerge even with relatively the same players, if you have a good coach and players that buy into the system. I know, with Chip Kelly's arrival in Philly. He turned what was a 4-12 team with the same players to a 10-6 division winner.

The point is this: eliminating the defensive 3 second rule and allowing for full blown zones would give less talented teams a chance and put a premium on team play and good coaching.

Suddenly, most teams will have a fighting chance to improve and to win titles. The NBA will not be so dependent on it's superstars. Heck, there might even be less demand to pay high salaries making teams more financially sound.

[Im Still Ballin]

So I think most of us are in agreement that the NBA defensive 3 second rule, which allows for a limited zone, has increased team play and removed much of the iso 1 on 1 stuff from the 90s. To me, it has also put a premium on perimeter shooting. I believe the NBA, in general, shoots better from the perimeter than ever before.

So my question is, why not go all out? Why not eliminate the 3 second rule completely? Just go the FIBA route? The NBA's problem today is everyone knows there are only 3-4 teams every year that can really win a title, and that's being generous. Another problem of the league is superstars dictate, and dominate.

Teams that rely on team ball with no superstars have no chance come playoff time. This is why the league has to promote individuals, and not teams, because if you live in an NBA city with a bad team, why would you watch the NBA, if not to root for a favorite player? You can root for Lebron, your hero, even if you live in Sacramento with a perennial loser.

This creates imbalance, and less excitement, unlike the NFL, where every team has a chance to emerge. In the NFL, you really have a chance to emerge even with relatively the same players, if you have a good coach and players that buy into the system. I know, with Chip Kelly's arrival in Philly. He turned what was a 4-12 team with the same players to a 10-6 division winner.

The point is this: eliminating the defensive 3 second rule and allowing for full blown zones would give less talented teams a chance and put a premium on team play and good coaching.

Suddenly, most teams will have a fighting chance to improve and to win titles. The NBA will not be so dependent on it's superstars. Heck, there might even be less demand to pay high salaries making teams more financially sound.

Great post.

NBA loves making superstars though

[SpanishACB]

What an amazing example of thread backfire

OP shared his NBA purist views and thoughts and ended up sounding like a casul

But it's understandable that you want ISO hero ball, after all, you're more of a player fan than a sport fan. It shows in your posting habits regardless of your choice of username.

[PAOK]

keep the zone
bring back hand checking
cut down the bullshit-superstar calls on every drive

[CavaliersFTW]

What an amazing example of thread backfire

OP shared his NBA purist views and thoughts and ended up sounding like a casul

But it's understandable that you want ISO hero ball, after all, you're more of a player fan than a sport fan. It shows in your posting habits regardless of your choice of username.
Shut the hell up Euroleague :oldlol:

[RightToCensor]

And once again, OP gets shitted on for his belief that the ancient era was better.


Nothing's new.

[Miller for 3]

This. and you have guys like Jerry stackhouse who once averaged 29.8 ppg on 40 FG% in the early 2000's.

:eek:

Lebron can't even avearge 27 with no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds, HGH use, and playing 8 on 5 every night. Insane. Stackhouse better make the HOF if LEbron is winning MVP with inferior numbers considering context

[Hoopz2332]

**has flashbacks on Steve Francis, Cuttino and Mooochie Norris dribbling entire shots clocks out with crossover after crossover in the early to mid-2000's**

:banghead: :sleeping

You can keep that hero/iso ball for the 90's and early to mid 2000's

[Lebron23]

:eek:

Lebron can't even avearge 27 with no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds, HGH use, and playing 8 on 5 every night. Insane. Stackhouse better make the HOF if LEbron is winning MVP with inferior numbers considering context


Thank you based God Jeff for banning this guy.

[Dr.J4ever]

Great post.

NBA loves making superstars though
Yes, they do. One of the counter arguments to my post is that with superstars may decline in influence, and fans might associate with teams more. Would that be such a bad thing? Again, in the NFL, fans are arguably more interested in teams, rather than individual players. And look how their business model has worked.

Another counter to my post would be that athletic, tall, 7 footers might dominate the game too much. Imagine Tyson Chandler or Hibbert or one of those guys sitting in the paint the whole day. Could the NBA look boring with too much perimeter shooting, and no more athletic plays in the lane? Or might this force teams to fastbreak more to beat defenses from setting up their zones?

To me, it's intriguing. I think there is a case to be made to eliminate the defensive 3 seconds and go all out FIBA rules. In the end, the NBA might think it too risky. If it ain't broke....

[ProfessorMurder]

Hand checking and first round best of 5s should come back.

Defensive 3 seconds and the restricted zone are stupid and need to go.

[atljonesbro]

Were the 90s players not good enough to play defense without hand checking? Wonder how many "elite" 90s defenders would be exposed in this era.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Were the 90s players not good enough to play defense without hand checking? Wonder how many "elite" 90s defenders would be exposed in this era.
:oldlol:

[Dr.J4ever]

Were the 90s players not good enough to play defense without hand checking? Wonder how many "elite" 90s defenders would be exposed in this era.
I agree. I don't like the hand checking. It takes away from the beauty and flow of the game. If you eliminate the defensive 3 second rule, we should keep the no hand checking rule to keep a good balance between offense and defense.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I don't know, I mean even the teams that play zone the most, don't play it for even 1/3 of the game but removing the defensive 3 seconds, makes sense to remove zone.

I say bring back hand-checking, get rid of the defensive 3 seconds (and superstar treatment), and really do something to stop all of this flopping.. All of that ain't gonna happen though, so..

[SHAQisGOAT]

Were the 90s players not good enough to play defense without hand checking? Wonder how many "elite" 90s defenders would be exposed in this era.

So, on the other hand, today's players are not good enough offensively to go against defenders hand-checking, right? Goes both ways son.

Hand-checking doesn't really add all that much if you're already a great defender, plenty of players (great defenders) weren't even using it much - because the best offensive players used it for their advantage also. It made it easier for some average defenders though, made them better, someone like Derek Harper.

[Dr.J4ever]

I don't know, I mean even the teams that play zone the most, don't play it for even 1/3 of the game but removing the defensive 3 seconds, makes sense to remove zone.

I say bring back hand-checking, get rid of the defensive 3 seconds (and superstar treatment), and really do something to stop all of this flopping.. All of that ain't gonna happen though, so..
I think the reason it is not used too much by most teams is because it is not as effective as a full blown, no defensive 3 second, real zone. The Euro FIBA zone would be more useful in the NBA in neutralizing hero ball.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I think the reason it is not used too much by most teams is because it is not as effective as a full blown, no defensive 3 second, real zone. The Euro FIBA zone would be more useful in the NBA in neutralizing hero ball.

Yea I've always said you can't call it a real zone because of that. And it's relatively easy to dispose of, with a solid team at least.

[CelticBaller]

This. and you have guys like Jerry stackhouse who once averaged 29.8 ppg on 40 FG% in the early 2000's.
So? Stackhouse was a chucker and knew how to score, the defense wasn't weaker

[MichaelCorleone]

Lebron would extend his career by 10 years and win multiple DPOYs.

[Rodmantheman]

Lebron would extend his career by 10 years and win multiple DPOYs.

he is back

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[Lordsteven]

i can see where youre going with hand checking. league is very soft with all these stupid technical's and whatnot. hate how players get punished for even hinting at a taunt.. :facepalm but without zone we'd pretty much be watching a high level pick up game. i enjoy watching a team with a good balance of defensive traps and schemes to lead to easy offensive plays.