Rookie Shaq

[moe94]

arguably had better numbers than any C in the last 20 years.


:coleman:

[IncarceratedBob]

How many great centers have there been in the past 20 years?

Shaq
Zo
Ming
Gasol
Gasol
Duncan

[moe94]

How many great centers have there been in the past 20 years?

Shaq
Zo
Ming
Gasol
Gasol
Duncan

Some dude named Howard. He won a bunch of DPotY awards and is 5x first all-nba. Nothing to mention, though.

[Smook A.]

How many great centers have there been in the past 20 years?

Shaq
Zo
Ming
Gasol
Gasol
Duncan
How the do you have marc gasol as one of the best centers in the past 20 years? He's without a doubt one of the most overrated DPoY winner.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Rookie Shaq was better than Howard ever was. Scary. :eek:

[KirbyPls]

Some dude named Howard. He won a bunch of DPotY awards and is 5x first all-nba. Nothing to mention, though.

Howard would've been mentioned if he could have learned "killer instinct," "clutch genes, " and/or "wills to win" from Kirby last season. It was all his fault. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Howard would've been mentioned if he could have learned "killer instinct," "clutch genes, " and/or "wills to win" from Kirby last season. It was all his fault. :lol

or maybe if he didn't lead the Lakers to their worst playoff loss EVER while being swept in EMBARRASSING fashion as the first option after bitching all year about wanting the ball more..

[secund2nun]

or maybe if he didn't lead the Lakers to their worst playoff loss EVER while being swept in EMBARRASSING fashion as the first option after bitching all year about wanting the ball more..

Howard was the only one on that team who played defense and he was recovering from a serious injury. The blame goes on ball hog chucker Kobe. Kobe made every SG who went against him look like prime Jordan.

[moe94]

or maybe if he didn't lead the Lakers to their worst playoff loss EVER while being swept in EMBARRASSING fashion as the first option after bitching all year about wanting the ball more..

Didn't Kobe get swept in the playoffs as the favorites? 2011, I think. It's a bit fuzzy since it was soooooo long ago.


:coleman:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Hakeem?

[moe94]

Hakeem?

And Robinson, too.

They don't count.

I'm trying to make a point here! :mad:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Didn't Kobe get swept in the playoffs as the favorites? 2011, I think. It's a bit fuzzy since it was soooooo long ago.


:coleman:

Yeah in the second round, after previously making 3 finals and wining 2 FMVP's right before that.

Dwight's in his prime, Kobe was 33 with a lot of mileage as well as Gasol, both of which had already proven themselves to be winners and champions

your point?

[moe94]

Suddenly Kobe is a feeble monk who had no business even being there, while some of you will argue he was still the best player in the league.

You can't have it both ways.

[SilkkTheShocker]

How many great centers have there been in the past 20 years?

Shaq
Zo
Ming
Gasol
Gasol
Duncan

If you're going to say Zo, than you have to put Howard on that list.

Howard was the better player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Suddenly Kobe is a feeble monk who had no business even being there, while some of you will argue he was still the best player in the league.

You can't have it both ways.


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Kobe was having a down year in 11, I never felt confident about a 3peat, nobody was/is arguing him for being the best player, and if they are (which i've never seen) it has nothing to do with me or my opinion :facepalm

why you wanna make this about Kobe? Point is Dwight looked like a bitch for getting swept in embarrassing fashion in the first round as the first option after wanting to be the first option all year.

If Dwight was coming off 3 finals trips and had just grabbed his 5th ring maybe he'd get more of a pass..

but lets be honest, if it was Dwight who got hurt and it was Kobe who was leading the team to an embarrassing first round sweep, we would never hear the end of it

[moe94]

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If Dwight was coming off 3 finals trips and had just grabbed his 5th ring maybe he'd get more of a pass..

I'd say that surgery excuses him. :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

I'd say that surgery excuses him. :confusedshrug:

and having to deal with half a dozen child support fees.

[FireDavidKahn]

How the do you have marc gasol as one of the best centers in the past 20 years? He's without a doubt one of the most overrated DPoY winner.
:facepalm

[secund2nun]

Suddenly Kobe is a feeble monk who had no business even being there, while some of you will argue he was still the best player in the league.

You can't have it both ways.

:roll:

Very true. They probably say Kobe was a top 10 player in the NBA last year, but yet it's Howard fault. But such is life in LA...when LA wins Kobe gets all of the credit when they lose he gets none of the blame.

[oarabbus]

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Kobe was having a down year in 11, I never felt confident about a 3peat, nobody was/is arguing him for being the best player, and if they are (which i've never seen) it has nothing to do with me or my opinion :facepalm

why you wanna make this about Kobe? Point is Dwight looked like a bitch for getting swept in embarrassing fashion in the first round as the first option after wanting to be the first option all year.

If Dwight was coming off 3 finals trips and had just grabbed his 5th ring maybe he'd get more of a pass..

but lets be honest, if it was Dwight who got hurt and it was Kobe who was leading the team to an embarrassing first round sweep, we would never hear the end of it
:biggums:

What are you talking about? The Laker fan trashing of Dwight has NEVER ended, we haven't heard the end of that either...

Dwight was also healing up from a back surgery (takes a very, very long time to come back from that) and had a torn labrum. He also had to clean up Blake/Nash, Kobe, and Pau's mistakes because Artest was the only person who would play defense worth half a damn on that team, meaning he was a one man army on the defensive end. Notice I'm not bashing Kobe at all here, but it's just stupid to say "but if it was KOBE we'd never hear the end of it, Dwight sucks"

[LAL]

:roll:

Very true. They probably say Kobe was a top 10 player in the NBA last year, but yet it's Howard fault. But such is life in LA...when LA wins Kobe gets all of the credit when they lose he gets none of the blame.
I'm probably quoting a 15year old here but i think kobe deserves a bit more respect than that.
How could a basketball fan not have enjoyed that?
After he made that promise of making the playoffs, his level of play amazingly went up a notch or 2 (toronto, portland, "amnesty" game @ dallas, etc) and they made it.
Kobe (who has won 5 rings at this point) still let his game speak while howard complained about touches. You don't complain about touches when your still recovering from injury.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I'm probably quoting a 15year old here but i think kobe deserves a bit more respect than that.
How could a basketball fan not have enjoyed that?
After he made that promise of making the playoffs, his level of play amazingly went up a notch or 2 (toronto, portland, "amnesty" game @ dallas, etc) and they made it.
Kobe (who has won 5 rings at this point) still let his game speak while howard complained about touches. You don't complain about touches when your still recovering from injury.
he killed the entire team chemistry from day one. he made it clear to Dwight that he will never be the man in LA. he played PG and let Nash stand in the corner to spot up. Gasol barely shot the ball 10 times a game. They were in serious trouble and were very close to miss the playoffs.
thenKobe suddenly decided to do even more and play 45 minutes per game. with a bunch of rigged games they then made the playoffs with Kobe tearing his achilles torn in the process.
truly heroic:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

he killed the entire team chemistry from day one. he made it clear to Dwight that he will never be the man in LA. he played PG and let Nash stand in the corner to spot up. Gasol barely shot the ball 10 times a game. They were in serious trouble and were very close to miss the playoffs.
thenKobe suddenly decided to do even more and play 45 minutes per game. with a bunch of rigged games they then made the playoffs with Kobe tearing his achilles torn in the process.
truly heroic:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

all this is coming from a guy that actually truly believes MJ is the 4th best player of all time. Just let that sink in.

:coleman:

[CavaliersFTW]

all this is coming from a guy that actually truly believes MJ is the 4th best player of all time. Just let that sink in.

:coleman:
What's wrong with ranking MJ as #4?

[moe94]

What's wrong with ranking MJ as #4?
:coleman:

[riseagainst]

What's wrong with ranking MJ as #4?

:coleman:

[CavaliersFTW]

:coleman:
:coleman:

[riseagainst]

:coleman:

:coleman:

[CavaliersFTW]

:coleman:
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[215Philly]

Lebron :coleman:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Rookie Shaq > Peak Dwight

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