1992 bulls vs 2014 Heat

[juju151111]

Who takes it.

[RightToCensor]

Miami in 6

[andgar923]

Who takes it.

The Bulls' front court will look like all stars vs the Heat.

MJ and Pip would be feeding the ball inside and rack up 10 dimes a piece.

If fatboy Diaw can guard Bron, Im sure Pip can shut him down.

Bulls in 2 as MJ takes Bron's soul and Phil plays mind games through the paper.

[TheMarkMadsen]

there is no universe in which Jordan allows Lebron to beat his team

After Jordan drops 30+ while trash talking and calling Lebron a bitch in the process he mentally wouldn't be able to respond.

[RightToCensor]

How many eastern conference teams have beat Miami's Big 3 in a playoff series?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Heat still have the best player.

[DonDadda59]

What rules are they playing under? '92 or '14?

Also, I think Wade being iffy health wise doesn't bode well for him trying to battle it out with MJ, that shit would be ugly. Pip gives Bron hell and vice versa. I think Horace gets his against soft ass Bosh, but if Chris' shot is water he could have a nice series. The role players would be integral (Armstrong, Jesus, etc).

I think the Bulls take it in 6, maybe 5 if they're playing by old rules.

[Indian guy]

Bulls in 6. MJ/LeBron is pretty much a toss-up, but Pip's much better than injury-riddled Wade, Horace's overall impact is no worse than Bosh's, Phil >>>> Spoelstra and most importantly, Chicago could defend and rebound like few. 2014 Heat haven't been able to do either this season.

[AnaheimLakers24]

bulls in 3. bran and cheat go back crying home to the future so they dont get swept

[ImKobe]

Bulls win easily.

How does Miami guard MJ, Pippen & Grant? They can only shut down one of them, and it's not going to be MJ. MJ & Pippen can take care of Wade & Bron defensively, Grant can take care of Bosh.

92 Grant had a WS of 14.1 and a ridiculous ORTG of 132, mad underrated.

[Milbuck]

Heat still have the best player.
ok

lol

[secund2nun]

Heat. Chicago has no post presence to hurt Miami's one weakness.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The Bulls' front court will look like all stars vs the Heat.

MJ and Pip would be feeding the ball inside and rack up 10 dimes a piece.

If fatboy Diaw can guard Bron, Im sure Pip can shut him down.

Bulls in 2 as MJ takes Bron's soul and Phil plays mind games through the paper.
what a joke of a poster u truly are:biggums: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series:coleman:

[ImKobe]

what a joke of a poster u truly are:biggums: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :coleman:

Pippen and MJ are two of the best wing defenders of all-time. Collectively they would make it impossible for Bron to score inside, he would be no better than he was against the Spurs.

[DonDadda59]

Heat. Chicago has no post presence to hurt Miami's one weakness.

Bosh made Hibbert look like a prime Ewing and 37 year old Duncan look like he found the fountain of youth. Grant would give him the business. And I still haven't gotten an answer about the rules.

[ImKobe]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series:coleman:

Rodman didn't play for the 1992 Bulls :facepalm

And MJ that year averaged 30 ppg 6 rpg 6 apg on 58% TS and had higher WS/48 than Lebron does this season. MJ is the best player in that series.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bosh made Hibbert look like a prime Ewing and 37 year old Duncan look like he found the fountain of youth. Grant would give him the business. And I still haven't gotten an answer about the rules.

It wouldn't really matter which rules they played under. The Bulls would win in a 5-6 game set.

The Bulls wings can adapt quiet well to the 14 rules. If played by the 92 rules, I would see James posting up a lot more and be quiet dominant inside. I've always thought he would be a hybrid player in the 80's and 90's times. He would be a better version of a Larry Johnson or Charles Barkley. Don't know if he would have 3 point shot in his game, but he would be a very good low-post scorer IMO.

[DonDadda59]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series:coleman:

For the last f*cking time, Rodman wasn't on the Bulls for the first 3-peat you clown :oldlol:


It wouldn't really matter which rules they played under. The Bulls would win in a 5-6 game set.

Probably. Just trying to envision the games/matchups in my mind. I think that if it was '92 rules, it would be a complete shock to the Heat system. Look at what old man Kobe was able to do to Lebron when the refs didn't call the full court hand check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-VaAqPqmY

On the other hand, making it illegal to physically impede Jordan and having Bosh at center with a 3-second rule while he's guarded by a hobbled Wade is just asking for a 45 PPG finals series from him.

[ImKobe]

Heat. Chicago has no post presence to hurt Miami's one weakness.

Pippen & Jordan were both terrific post players :facepalm & Grant played a very similar style to what Bosh is doing right now in Miami. The Heat would have a hard time on the boards and stopping Chicago from scoring inside. The Bulls also had a 7-1 Bill Cartwright, who wasn't in his prime anymore but who could destroy Miami inside.

[ForeverHeat]

People always tend to underrate the present and overrate the past. Ask this question 20 years from now and you get very different answers. I cant say who would win since there are so many variables (who has home court advantage? Does Oden play injury free? Which generations rules are they using? How is the players recent form? etc..) which we cant account for. All I know is that the Bulls and Jordan dominated the 90's, the Lakers and Kobe dominated the 00's, and the Heat and Lebron will dominate the 10's. All of them will be renowned as historically great teams.

[secund2nun]

Bosh made Hibbert look like a prime Ewing and 37 year old Duncan look like he found the fountain of youth. Grant would give him the business. And I still haven't gotten an answer about the rules.

Bosh can handle 6'10 245 pound Grant. It's 7'2 290 pound Hibbert he can't handle because of the sheer size difference.

As for Duncan, Duncan is still a very good player. He is averaging 15-10-4 this season at 38 years old. Old Duncan was much better than Grant. His post moves are much better than Grant's moves.

It would be interesting to see Miami in the 92 rules. Zone defense is the best defense against Miami and you can't do that in the 92 rules.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

For the last f*cking time, Rodman wasn't on the Bulls for the first 3-peat you clown :oldlol:



Probably. Just trying to envision the games/matchups in my mind. I think that if it was '92 rules, it would be a complete shock to the Heat system. Look at what old man Kobe was able to do to Lebron when the refs didn't call the full court hand check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-VaAqPqmY

On the other hand, making it illegal to physically impede Jordan and having Bosh at center with a 3-second rule while he's guarded by a hobbled Wade is just asking for a 45 PPG finals series from him.
i meant Grant u moron.
cant i make a simple mistake?? i know damn well rodman came in the second threepeat:coleman:

[DonDadda59]

i meant Grant u moron.

No you didn't. You were doing the same thing last night in another thread before I made you aware of the fact that Rodman didn't join the Bulls until he was 34 and Jordan had already won 3 rings and 3 finals MVPs.

Every time you post you embarrass yourself. You should seriously consider stopping.

[Dragonyeuw]

Grant and Bosh is a decent matchup, Bosh has the scoring edge but Grant was tough defensively and an able finisher around the basket off feeds from Jordan/Pippen and offensive rebounds, Grant was also a decent jumpshooter from around 15 feet. I think that matchup is pretty much a wash, tbh.

Lebron over Pip, though Pip has the athleticism and instincts to make Lebron work for his points. 92 MJ destroys current Wade though, in terms of big 3 thats prob the biggest edge in the individual matchups.

[secund2nun]

Pippen & Jordan were both terrific post players :facepalm & Grant played a very similar style to what Bosh is doing right now in Miami. The Heat would have a hard time on the boards and stopping Chicago from scoring inside. The Bulls also had a 7-1 Bill Cartwright, who wasn't in his prime anymore but who could destroy Miami inside.

They are 6'6 6'8 wing players, not post players nor are they post presences. That doesn't hurt Miami as much as a post player. Size like Hibbert kills Miami.

Miami could withstand old Bill Cartwright. Not every center destroys Miami. Hibbert does because he is 7'2 290 pounds so he bullies Miami. Cartwright was like 245 and not to mention not very good at that age. Duncan destroyed Miami because he is Duncan an all time great. Even at his age he is still a much better big man than anyone on that Bull's roster. Duncan is still one of the best players in the NBA.

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ the idea that Lebron would outplay Jordan in a playoff series. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

They are 6'6 6'8 wing players, not post players nor are they post presences. That doesn't hurt Miami as much as a post player.


Jordan is easily one of the best post up players ever. The 6'4 Wade would get eaten alive from the block. But if they're playing by '14 rules, I think Jordan figures out pretty quickly he can just blow past a one legged Wade whenever he felt like it. Shit would be grotesque. Easy 45 PPG on very high efficiency. I'm not exaggerating either.

[Milbuck]

Jordan would not lose. And that's exactly how it should be worded. He just would not allow his team to lose. Especially with guys like Wade and Lebron on the team, guys who either are currently or at some point were compared to himself. Jordan would make it his mission to work their minds and totally shut one of them down. Pippen would take care of the other. Now that's not to say Lebron would be shut down because he's an all-time great, but he wouldn't sniff his current success with MJ or Pip on him. 2014 Wade could realistically be taken out of the game by one of them.

Also, is this the 2014 Heat gone back to 1992? Or the Bulls put in 2014? Either way, advantage Bulls. 1992 MJ in today's NBA would just be unfair.

[juju151111]

I see Bulls winning this in 6.

[hitmanyr2k]

It wouldn't really matter which rules they played under. The Bulls would win in a 5-6 game set.

The Bulls wings can adapt quiet well to the 14 rules. If played by the 92 rules, I would see James posting up a lot more and be quiet dominant inside. I've always thought he would be a hybrid player in the 80's and 90's times. He would be a better version of a Larry Johnson or Charles Barkley. Don't know if he would have 3 point shot in his game, but he would be a very good low-post scorer IMO.

I've always wondered how much better Chicago's defense would be with the new rules. Jordan, Pippen, and Grant's help defense was already great to begin. I can only imagine their help defense if they were allowed to roam free with no consequence. The defensive schemes they could deploy would be insane.

[jstern]

I would love to see Jordan's performance in this match up. Getting to play against Lebron, he would be beyond motivated to prove something. For that reason I would have to go with the Bulls.

[Angel Face]

This kind thread will make Heat fans lose their will to live.

MJ is the ultimate competitor and will not let himself lose. He will try not only to win but to embarrass you as well. Horace Grant would look like an all star against heat front court. Also, If Boris Diaw can guard Lebron well, Scottie Pippen will give him a hard time and will shut him down. No one in the heat can stop 1 - 2 punch of Jordan and Pippen.

If played with today's rules, MJ will drop unimaginable numbers, no hand-checking? Only chance for the heat to win is to assassinate Jordan before the game. If 90s rules Heat will still get destroyed.

Bulls sweep, today's rules. Bulls in 5, 90's rules.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I would love to see Jordan's performance in this match up. Getting to play against Lebron, he would be beyond motivated to prove something. For that reason I would have to go with the Bulls.


Jordan would not lose. And that's exactly how it should be worded. He just would not allow his team to lose. Especially with guys like Wade and Lebron on the team, guys who either are currently or at some point were compared to himself. Jordan would make it his mission to work their minds and totally shut one of them down.

:pimp:

[Prometheus]

Those Bulls would wipe their championship asses with this Heat team. Ridiculous to even compare.

[sportjames23]

Bulls in 4. Five, if I'm being generous.

[eliteballer]

I've always wondered how much better Chicago's defense would be with the new rules. Jordan, Pippen, and Grant's help defense was already great to begin. I can only imagine their help defense if they were allowed to roam free with no consequence. The defensive schemes they could deploy would be insane.




If played with today's rules, MJ will drop unimaginable numbers, no hand-checking? Only chance for the heat to win is to assassinate Jordan before the game. If 90s rules Heat will still get destroyed.

Got to love the hypocrisy.

Drexler averaged 25/8/5 in the 92 Finals.

Nique averaged 30/5/3 in the 93 playoffs against them.

LeBron and Wade are both putting up numbers, and since there are TWO of them meaning Jordan and Pippen can't double/swarm them to the degree they could the other two, they probably play pretty well.

[mehyaM24]

:pimp:

bulls get their ass handed to them in 6 by lechamp...

without the refs the Bulls most likely lose to the Knicks in 1993 and possibly in 1992 too...in 1998 indiana would have certainly beaten Jordan's Bulls without the fix and even Scottie Pippen admitted that it couldn't be said that the best team won that series....bulls could have been beaten by a number of teams, especially when they got old. But we'll never know because it was never a real competition. Sales had pre-determined that the face of the NBA and Nike wasn't allowed to lose.

[mehyaM24]

If played with today's rules, MJ will drop unimaginable numbers, no hand-checking? Only chance for the heat to win is to assassinate Jordan before the game. If 90s rules Heat will still get destroyed.

LMAO jordan was primarily defended by one person either by scheme or by calling an isolations which forced 1-on-1 coverage because zone wasn't allowed.....you are reading into quotes and getting some distorted image of jordan walking around with 3 guys getting into a defensive stance and following him from tip-off to the 4th quarter....thats not at all what happened....he was defended much like kobe and lebron is defend today except with fewer double and triple team from zones.

[mehyaM24]

Pippen and MJ are two of the best wing defenders of all-time. Collectively they would make it impossible for Bron to score inside, he would be no better than he was against the Spurs.

lebron is a better defender than both of them. not only that, but they're not going to be able to defend a bigger faster and stronger player in lebron who can just post them.

[SamuraiSWISH]

he was defended much like kobe and lebron is defend today except with fewer double and triple team from zones.
:oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

:oldlol:

ya defense today is so much better, its laughable

[Rose'sACL]

Got to love the hypocrisy.

Drexler averaged 25/8/5 in the 92 Finals.

Nique averaged 30/5/3 in the 93 playoffs against them.

LeBron and Wade are both putting up numbers, and since there are TWO of them meaning Jordan and Pippen can't double/swarm them to the degree they could the other two, they probably play pretty well.
according to ISH, if you don't think that everyone who played in the 90s was a GOD then you don't like/understand basketball.

[DaSeba5]

The most stacked team in history (the Heat according to ISH) always lose badly in these threads.

[juju151111]

bulls get their ass handed to them in 6 by lechamp...

without the refs the Bulls most likely lose to the Knicks in 1993 and possibly in 1992 too...in 1998 indiana would have certainly beaten Jordan's Bulls without the fix and even Scottie Pippen admitted that it couldn't be said that the best team won that series....bulls could have been beaten by a number of teams, especially when they got old. But we'll never know because it was never a real competition. Sales had pre-determined that the face of the NBA and Nike wasn't allowed to lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ Shut up dumbass. and Oh so the refs was helping MJ when Reggie pushed him off for the gamewinner.:facepalm

[atljonesbro]

according to ISH, if you don't think that everyone who played in the 90s was a GOD then you don't like/understand basketball.
It's because guys who watched 90s players as kids don't wanna let their childhood heroes go. Then you'll have the modern fans looking for their approval for some odd reason and will overrate them due to nostalgia like the older fans.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Stop the feminine, woe is me, straw-man stuff.


The most stacked team in history (the Heat according to ISH)
No one has ever said this ... We said they cowardly colluded, and stacked their talent in the weakest conference. And odds are the most talented team in the league given their core big three plus Ray Allen.


always lose badly in these threads.
No they don't. I take the Heat over the '92 Blazers. But you seriously don't think the '92 Bulls stands a great chance to beat the 2014 Heat? The team who the exact previous season only beat one 50 win team and it took 7 games plus a miracle shot?

Yet we're to believe it isn't plausible that prime Jordan, and prime Pippen couldn't beat this squad? When they struggle with Paul George, and Roy Hibbert?

Yea, ok. I'd buy that for a dollar.


It's because guys who watched 90s players as kids don't wanna let their childhood heroes go. Then you'll have the modern fans looking for their approval for some odd reason and will overrate them due to nostalgia like the older fans.
Or people who are kids NOW such as yourself can't handle the fact that just because it's new to you, and it's hitting your eyes for the first time doesn't mean it's the greatest thing to ever happen.

Prisoner of the moment v.s. Prisoners of nostalgia. What's the difference? You're the former, because you're still a kid right now.

The truth is somewhere in the middle in regards to both. You're flat out nuts if you think it's asinine to assert the GOAT, and his prime sidekick couldn't beat this current Heat team.

[imdaman99]

Bulls in 5 and a half. Bran quits halfway through game 6, like he did in the series against Celtics in 2010.

[Prometheus]

No one has ever said this ...

YOU might not have said it, but a lot of people on here call them the most stacked team of all time. It's pretty frustrating actually.

[DaSeba5]

Stop the feminine, woe is me, straw-man stuff.


No one has ever said this ... We said they cowardly colluded, and stacked their talent in the weakest conference. And odds are the most talented team in the league given their core big three plus Ray Allen.


No they don't. I take the Heat over the '92 Blazers. But you seriously don't think the '92 Bulls stands a great chance to beat the 2014 Heat? The team who the exact previous season only beat one 50 win team and it took 7 games plus a miracle shot?

Yet we're to believe it isn't plausible that prime Jordan, and prime Pippen couldn't beat this squad? When they struggle with Paul George, and Roy Hibbert?

Yea, ok. I'd buy that for a dollar.

People do this all of the time. Claim to be the best team ever, and then they lose to everyone. I don't think the 2014 Heat is the best version of the big 3. The team's bench has been bad this year. Plus Wade's health is a concern. Bosh is having his best season as a Heat player this year though. I think the 92 Bulls beat them in 5-6, but I think the 2012 or 2013 Heat give them a better series. If they get 2011 Wade in the Finals they would have a better chance.

I don't disagree with people in this thread, but they call them the most stacked team ever, but they always get picked to lose. It's a bit annoying.

[SamuraiSWISH]

ya defense today is so much better, its laughable
:oldlol:

Such a troll.

[Megabox!]

Ppl overrate the past teams sooooo much it's not even funny. This Miami team throughout these last 3 or 4 years has an uncanny ability to overcome size disadvantages with their impressive scoring, their ability to force turnovers and their 3 point shooting. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it went to 7 Games.

[97 bulls]

LMAO jordan was primarily defended by one person either by scheme or by calling an isolations which forced 1-on-1 coverage because zone wasn't allowed.....you are reading into quotes and getting some distorted image of jordan walking around with 3 guys getting into a defensive stance and following him from tip-off to the 4th quarter....thats not at all what happened....he was defended much like kobe and lebron is defend today except with fewer double and triple team from zones.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The Bulls would also be allowed to play and not have to worry about having an illegal defense penalty called against them. Scottie Pippen would clearly be the best defender in the league today bar none under these rules. Jordan would've been even harder to defend under today's rules.

The Heat would be throughly destroyed. 4-1 Bulls.

[SamuraiSWISH]

YOU might not have said it, but a lot of people on here call them the most stacked team of all time. It's pretty frustrating actually.
No they are by far the most stacked team, especially relative to the rest of the league (even more so within conference) since the 2011 season. This is undeniable. The only one who could truly compete from a talent perspective was the 2012 Thunder.

[Rose'sACL]

Stop the feminine, woe is me, straw-man stuff.


No one has ever said this ... We said they cowardly colluded, and stacked their talent in the weakest conference. And odds are the most talented team in the league given their core big three plus Ray Allen.


No they don't. I take the Heat over the '92 Blazers. But you seriously don't think the '92 Bulls stands a great chance to beat the 2014 Heat? The team who the exact previous season only beat one 50 win team and it took 7 games plus a miracle shot?

Yet we're to believe it isn't plausible that prime Jordan, and prime Pippen couldn't beat this squad? When they struggle with Paul George, and Roy Hibbert?

Yea, ok. I'd buy that for a dollar.
i have no idea about the 2014 heat because i have no idea if wade is really hurt or just playing it safe while playing great in playoffs.
with wade giving 20-5-5, heat would take bulls to 6 games at least and 7 games most likely.
I would give bulls 60% chance of winning the series. knicks would be a tougher matchup for the heat.

[97 bulls]

Got to love the hypocrisy.

Drexler averaged 25/8/5 in the 92 Finals.

Nique averaged 30/5/3 in the 93 playoffs against them.

LeBron and Wade are both putting up numbers, and since there are TWO of them meaning Jordan and Pippen can't double/swarm them to the degree they could the other two, they probably play pretty well.
Wilkins shot 42% that series. And none of those games were even close.

Jordan completly dominated Drexler that Series.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I would give bulls 60% chance of winning the series. knicks would be a tougher matchup for the heat.
I think that's fair, and I'd agree. The current Heat are built like a poor man's late 90's Bulls team with LeBron and Wade. But with much more talent in the supporting cast. The '92, '93, and '94 Knicks would be a very difficult matchup for the Heat given their physicality, defense, three point shooting, and interior scoring.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan completly dominated Drexler that Series.
Offensively, and defensively. Jordan out scored him by 10 points for the series, on 53% FG. Meanwhile Drexler put up 25 ppg, yes, but Jordan frustrated him to the tune of 41% FG.

[kamil]

lebron is a better defender than both of them. not only that, but they're not going to be able to defend a bigger faster and stronger player in lebron who can just post them.

LeBron* is a better defender than both Pippen and MJ??

Are you stupid?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

92/93/96 Bulls beat any and EVERY version of the Heat. Period.


People do this all of the time. Claim to be the best team ever, and then they lose to everyone. I don't think the 2014 Heat is the best version of the big 3. The team's bench has been bad this year. Plus Wade's health is a concern. Bosh is having his best season as a Heat player this year though. I think the 92 Bulls beat them in 5-6, but I think the 2012 or 2013 Heat give them a better series. If they get 2011 Wade in the Finals they would have a better chance.

I don't disagree with people in this thread, but they call them the most stacked team ever, but they always get picked to lose. It's a bit annoying.

Nobody does that. What those people are saying is, relative to era, they're the most stacked team ever. Big difference, kiddo.

[kamil]

It's because guys who watched 90s players as kids don't wanna let their childhood heroes go.

That is a pretty ridiculous response, lol.

[SamuraiSWISH]

92/93/96 Bulls beat any and EVERY version of the Heat. Period.
Throw in '91 I think for good measure. I think that team could beat the 2011, 2012, or 2013 Heat.

[DaSeba5]

92/93/96 Bulls beat any and EVERY version of the Heat. Period.



Nobody does that. What those people are saying is, relative to era, they're the most stacked team ever. Big difference, kiddo.

That's just stupid. For the most stacked team in their era, they sure really struggled to win their titles. They had to barely beat an old Boston team, barely beat a young Pacers team, and barely beat an old Spurs team to win 2/3 titles. You would think they would have steam rolled the league. They weren't even the favorites against the 2011 Bulls or 2012 Thunder. Plus they lost in the Finals.

[eliteballer]

Wilkins shot 42% that series. And none of those games were even close.

Jordan completly dominated Drexler that Series.

Like I said, Jordan and Pippen were able to concentrate on Nique, not so here when there are 2 perimeter stars to go against.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Throw in '91 I think for good measure. I think that team could beat the 2011, 2012, or 2013 Heat.

Probably. If the Heat are beating any version of the first 3-peat Bulls, it's '91. '92 and '93 had too much experience and veteran savvy.

[97 bulls]

LeBron* is a better defender than both Pippen and MJ??

Are you stupid?
The same LeBron James that let Jason Terry and JJ Berea stick jumper after jumper in his face in 2011.

[eliteballer]

That's just stupid. For the most stacked team in their era, they sure really struggled to win their titles. They had to barely beat an old Boston team, barely beat a young Pacers team, and barely beat an old Spurs team to win 2/3 titles. You would think they would have steam rolled the league. They weren't even the favorites against the 2011 Bulls or 2012 Thunder. Plus they lost in the Finals.

:applause:

[juju151111]

Like I said, Jordan and Pippen were able to concentrate on Nique, not so here when there are 2 perimeter stars to go against.
What happened with Drexler? Clyde had a good team yet he still shot 41%. Mj and Scottie frustrate the Shit out of them and destroy them.Cartwright hits the gimmes over the none extent Heat length/rebounding.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's just stupid. For the most stacked team in their era, they sure really struggled to win their titles. They had to barely beat an old Boston team, barely beat a young Pacers team, and barely beat an old Spurs team to win 2/3 titles. You would think they would have steam rolled the league. They weren't even the favorites against the 2011 Bulls or 2012 Thunder. Plus they lost in the Finals.

And yet STILL won. :confusedshrug:

What I don't get is, why a supposed "Heat fan" would have ANY issue admitting their team is the most talented ever, 'relative to era'.

Nobody stacked the deck like the 2011 Heat. It was unprecedented.

[DonDadda59]

according to ISH, if you don't think that everyone who played in the 90s was a GOD then you don't like/understand basketball.

Jesus, let me get you a kleenex :cry:

Yeah, that's the reason the majority of people picked the Bulls- because they are viewed as Gods.... and not because the Heat are led by a guy who was outplayed by Jason Terry in a finals series. Definitely not because they only survived a Jurassic era Spurs team because of a miracle shot. :rolleyes:

[97 bulls]

Like I said, Jordan and Pippen were able to concentrate on Nique, not so here when there are 2 perimeter stars to go against.
Lol concentrate? What were they double teamming each player? Come on. Jordan shut down Drexler, and Pippen shut down Wilkins. By themselves.

[eliteballer]

What happened with Drexler? Clyde had a good team yet he still shot 41%. Mj and Scottie frustrate the Shit out of them and destroy them.Cartwright hits the gimmes over the none extent Heat length/rebounding.

Like I said, you MORON. Jordan and Pippen were able to focus on those guys in TANDEM because it was 2 stars against one. With the Heat having TWO, they wouldn't be able to hound them to the same degree.

[DaSeba5]

And yet STILL won. :confusedshrug:

What I don't get is, why a supposed "Heat fan" would have ANY issue admitting their team is the most talented ever, 'relative to era'.

Nobody stacked the deck like the 2011 Heat. It was unprecedented.

Yes, but if they were so stacked like you claim, wouldn't they have won easier? No way the 90s Bulls would struggle against an old Celtics team in 2012 or the Spurs in 2013, right? LeBron disappears in the Finals, ok? He disappeared in the 2011 Finals. But in the playoffs, LeBron is really dominant. Wade hasn't been healthy for two years, Bosh got hurt in 2012 and struggled in 2013, and the shooters were ice cold the last 2 years in the playoffs. Miami wasn't blowing teams out on their way to the Finals.

This is because they don't have a legit center in the paint. Miami might be the first team to 3-peat playing completely small. A stacked team wouldn't need game 7s to make the Finals if they are FAR more stacked than their competition.

Are they stacked? Yes
Are the the most stacked ever, even in comparison to their era? Just no.

[DonDadda59]

Like I said, you MORON. Jordan and Pippen were able to focus on those guys in TANDEM because it was 2 stars against one. With the Heat having TWO, they wouldn't be able to hound them to the same degree.

What the hell is this guy talking about? :lol


A stacked team wouldn't need game 7s to make the Finals if they are FAR more stacked than their competition.

Just because guys choke or under perform, doesn't mean they aren't stacked to the rafters. The Miami Heat are.

[Upgrayedd]

None of the Miami teams from 2011-now would beat any of the championship Bulls teams.

[DaSeba5]

That isn't due to a lack of stacked talent, you realize this right? They lost in the Finals as FAVORITES because LeBron went on ghost status due to mental instability, or an acute case of Lepussitis. That's why.

In the 2011 Finals, yes. What does that have to do with the last 2 years? LeBron was far from the problem the last 2 years. Yah he struggled with his jump shot against the Spurs, but he dominated the last 2 games when it mattered. I didn't see anyone doing what he was doing consistently for the team. If he struggles and they lose, how are they completely stacked over their competition? When LeBron struggled and Wade did all he could in 2011, shouldn't there have been someone else to step up?

[juju151111]

Like I said, you MORON. Jordan and Pippen were able to focus on those guys in TANDEM because it was 2 stars against one. With the Heat having TWO, they wouldn't be able to hound them to the same degree.
Why wouldn't they be able to hound them. Mj and Scottie hounded Shaq and Penny. Malone and Stockton etc... Wade is smaller then Mj and Mj has quick hands. Shit he was avgerging more stls then Kobe at advance age with no knees. LJ has the matchup advantage over Pippen because of weight, but will still frustrate him with his defensive instincts and smarts. LJ would get his still tho.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Like I said, you MORON. Jordan and Pippen were able to focus on those guys in TANDEM because it was 2 stars against one. With the Heat having TWO, they wouldn't be able to hound them to the same degree.
Yes, because Drexler shooting terribly was because Scottie and Mike double teamed Drexler ... EVERY single play. Scottie and Michael both guarded him at the same time the entire series. In reality however, MJ was solo matched up with Drexler. A lot. The Bulls also had to worry about Terry Porter, and the Blazer's front court size.


That's just stupid. For the most stacked team in their era, they sure really struggled to win their titles.
That isn't due to a lack of stacked talent, you realize this right? This doesn't mean they're not uber stacked relative to the competition. They lost in the Finals as FAVORITES because LeBron went on ghost status due to mental instability, or an acute case of Lepussitis.

[Rose'sACL]

And yet STILL won. :confusedshrug:

What I don't get is, why a supposed "Heat fan" would have ANY issue admitting their team is the most talented ever, 'relative to era'.

Nobody stacked the deck like the 2011 Heat. It was unprecedented.
no, it wasn't. celtics had most of their titles like that. second three peat was way more stacked than heat compared to competition. pippen not being pippen in post season made it a little less obvious in 98.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yes, but if they were so stacked like you claim, wouldn't they have won easier?

We're talking about separate things here. Talent is why they are stacked. As Swish said, had it not been for Lebron wetting the bed, they go down as an all-time great (if not THE greatest) team ever back in 2011.

The 2012 and 2013 squads were stacked on paper, but had too many injuries to account for.

2011 though? Not even a question.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

no, it wasn't. celtics had most of their titles like that. second three peat was way more stacked than heat compared to competition. pippen not being pippen in post season made it a little less obvious in 98.

:confusedshrug:

No version of the Bulls was as stacked as Miami circa 2011.

[DaSeba5]

We're talking about separate things here. Talent is why they are stacked. As Swish said, had it not been for Lebron wetting the bed, they go down as an all-time great (if not THE greatest) team ever back in 2011.

2012 and 2013 were stacked on paper, but had too many injuries to account 2011 though? Not even a question.

I don't agree with his statement at all. LeBron sucked in the 2011 Finals. We all know this. But again, LeBron struggled and Wade did all he could, where was everyone else? If they were so stacked, why were they so dependent on Wade and LeBron?

[Rose'sACL]

No version of the Bulls was as stacked as Miami circa 2011.
i don't believe that.

[Upgrayedd]

It's because guys who watched 90s players as kids don't wanna let their childhood heroes go. Then you'll have the modern fans looking for their approval for some odd reason and will overrate them due to nostalgia like the older fans.

No. It's because '80s and '90s NBA players actually played in a tough league and weren't complete bitches like today's players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don't agree with his statement at all. LeBron sucked in the 2011 Finals. We all know this. But again, LeBron struggled and Wade did all he could, where was everyone else? If they were so stacked, why were they so dependent on Wade and LeBron?

Dude every game was close. Had Lebron played even remotely like an allstar, Miami wins. How exactly is that being too dependent on him? What a joke. :oldlol:

Guy was essentially a role player.

[DaSeba5]

No. It's because '80s and '90s NBA players actually played in a tough league and weren't complete p*ssies like today's players.

And yet we still get great competitive and physical games and series. Not going to get into this argument, but people act like the current NBA is unwatchable.

[Upgrayedd]

And yet we still get great competitive and physical games and series. Not going to get into this argument, but people act like the current NBA is unwatchable.

:roll:

Can't be serious. LeBron couldn't handle the defense players played in the '80s and '90s. He'd be knocked down and crying on the floor going up against the Bulls or especially the Knicks in the '90s and Pistons in the late '80s.

[DonDadda59]

Dude every game was close. Had Lebron played even remotely like an allstar, Miami wins. How exactly is that being too dependent on him? What a joke. :oldlol:

Dude was essentially a role player.

Exactly. Lebron cost Wade his second finals MVP with his disappearing act.

Just because a guy shows mental midget tendencies on the biggest stages and doesn't perform to his abilities, doesn't make his team any less talented.

[DaSeba5]

Dude every game was close. Had Lebron played even remotely like an allstar, Miami wins. How exactly is that being too dependent on him? What a joke. :oldlol:

Dude was essentially a role player.

The 2011 Heat were flawed. The offense was sit and watch LeBron and Wade. Bosh wasn't comfortable yet. Their ball movement and chemistry did not start to form until the following year. I mean they were starting Joel Anthony, Big Z, and Malgoire at the 5 for Christ sake. Plus they had Mike Bibby playing PG. The best part of the 2011 over 2012, 2013, and 2014 is that their defense was better and they were younger. Haslem was still Haslem at this time.

I know LeBron choked. 2013 is the most stacked Heat team though. I don't agree with your statement.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dude every game was close. Had Lebron played even remotely like an allstar, Miami wins. How exactly is that being too dependent on him? What a joke. :oldlol:

Guy was essentially a role player.
Bingo. LeBron severely underperforming compared to even his normal averages while still being kept in the series given his total nonexistence for a top ten ALL TIME caliber player is proof right there of how stacked the Miami Heat are from a talent perspective.

[DaSeba5]

:roll:

Can't be serious. LeBron couldn't handle the defense players played in the '80s and '90s. He'd be knocked down and crying on the floor going up against the Bulls or especially the Knicks in the '90s and Pistons in the late '80s.

If LeBron grew up in that era, he'd probably have a different mindset. If the stars back then played now, people would say the same thing about them because that's what they played in.

[Rose'sACL]

I don't agree with his statement at all. LeBron sucked in the 2011 Finals. We all know this. But again, LeBron struggled and Wade did all he could, where was everyone else? If they were so stacked, why were they so dependent on Wade and LeBron?
people forget that lebron sucked but he sucked because he was afraid to take the shots. also, zone defense is what mavs played for lebron most of the times.
He wasn't chucking and missing a lot so if heat were so stacked then they would have at least taken it to game 7 and lost in a close game or won. the shots were available for others to bail miami out.
Wade in the finals: 26.4-7-5.2 on 54.6%
lebron : 18-7-7 on 48%
If 2 players on a all time stacked team are averaging this, then that team should win any series in that era.
this just proves that miami needed lebron to play well. wade played well and lebron sucked but he still didn't take shots away from team mates.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The 2011 Heat were flawed. The offense was sit and watch LeBron and Wade. Bosh wasn't comfortable yet. Their ball movement and chemistry did not start to form until the following year. I mean they were starting Joel Anthony, Big Z, and Malgoire at the 5 for Christ sake. Plus they had Mike Bibby playing PG. The best part of the 2011 over 2012, 2013, and 2014 is that their defense was better and they were younger. Haslem was still Haslem at this time.

I know LeBron choked. 2013 is the most stacked Heat team though. I don't agree with your statement.

Am I getting trolled? Don? Swish? No way somebody is this f*cking delusional.

[Rose'sACL]

Am I getting trolled? Don? Swish? No way somebody is this f*cking delusional.
don always posts whatever he wants without any good reason to back it up and swish is like pauk.
if heat were as stacked as you are saying then they should have lost only 1 game in the 2011 finals where lebron scored 8 points.

[DaSeba5]

people forget that lebron sucked but he sucked because he was afraid to take the shots. also, zone defense is what mavs played for lebron most of the times.
He wasn't chucking and missing a lot so if heat were so stacked then they would have at least taken it to game 7 and lost in a close game or won. the shots were available for others to bail miami out.
Wade in the finals: 26.4-7-5.2 on 54.6%
lebron : 18-7-7 on 48%
If 2 players on a all time stacked team are averaging this, then that team should win any series in that era.
this just proves that miami needed lebron to play well. wade played well and lebron sucked but he still didn't take shots away from team mates.

Bingo. I was about to mention Dallas' zone. They forced Wade and LeBron to shoot jumpers like the Spurs did last year. It worked against LeBron. It worked for the Spurs too until LeBron found it again in game 7. LeBron was making those jumpers in the previous series against Boston and Chicago in 2011. He lost his confidence and choked under the pressure.

The team was way too reliant on LeBron and Wade to put up big numbers. When LeBron didn't they lost. That doesn't say most stacked to me.

[JohnFreeman]

Love how I got banned for no reason. Stars transcend eras.

[DaSeba5]

Am I getting trolled? Don? Swish? No way somebody is this f*cking delusional.

You obviously did not watch the Heat in 2011. They were a flawed team that was carried by the big 3 most nights. Even in the series they won in 5, every game came down to the wire. That team was a big 3 surrounded by patch work vets. They were starting scrubs at center and Bibby had the like the worst postseason of all time. They did not have a quality PG to back up Rio yet. You have a better argument for the following years. If LeBron played like LeBron they win. But, a stacked team would have stepped in for LeBron when he struggled, especially if the games were close.

[JohnFreeman]

You obviously did not watch the Heat in 2011. They were a flawed team that was carried by the big 3 most nights. Even in the series they won in 5, every game came down to the wire. That team was a big 3 surrounded by patch work vets. They were starting scrubs at center and Bibby had the like the worst postseason of all time. They did not have a quality PG to back up Rio yet. You have a better argument for the following years.
Joel Anthony started at center some nights :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Am I getting trolled? Don? Swish? No way somebody is this f*cking delusional.
They have 2x MVP caliber players, and another top 15 perennial all star. Of course they're stacked. LeBron disappears in the NBA Finals, and the Heat remain competitive. Wade disappears in the Conference Finals, and the Heat remain dominant win in 5 games. Very definition of stacked. Jordan would never be able to disappear and play well below his averages in a series where the Bulls still came out on top.

[DaSeba5]

Joel Anthony started at center some nights :oldlol:

Exactly. They also started Big Z and Magloire. People act as if they had Dwight Howard at the 5.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You obviously did not watch the Heat in 2011

Yeah, obviously. My inception date reads as follows: 6/11/11

[SamuraiSWISH]

Am I getting trolled? Don? Swish? No way somebody is this f*cking delusional.
They have 2x MVP caliber players, and another top 15 perennial all star. Of course they're stacked. LeBron disappears in the NBA Finals, and the Heat remain competitive. Wade disappears in the Conference Finals, and the Heat remain dominant win in 5 games. Very definition of stacked. Jordan would never be able to disappear and play well below his averages in a series where the Bulls still came out on top. The guy you're talking to is a known Miami fan boy who can't be objective.

[DaSeba5]

They have 2x MVP caliber players, and another top 15 perennial all star. Of course they're stacked. LeBron disappears in the NBA Finals, and the Heat remain competitive. Wade disappears in the Conference Finals, and the Heat remain dominant win in 5 games. Very definition of stacked. Jordan would never be able to disappear and play well below his averages in a series where the Bulls still came out on top.

They were stacked. That's not where I disagree. Most stacked ever in comparison to their era? No. If the games were close with LeBron choking and with Wade carrying them, why did nobody else step up in the close games? The only person I can remember is Rio and not many people had him as a good player at this time. You can belittle me all you want, but that doesn't improve your argument.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

They have 2x MVP caliber players, and another top 15 perennial all star. Of course they're stacked. LeBron disappears in the NBA Finals, and the Heat remain competitive. Wade disappears in the Conference Finals, and the Heat remain dominant win in 5 games. Very definition of stacked. Jordan would never be able to disappear and play well below his averages in a series where the Bulls still came out on top.

'96 Finals say different...

[SamuraiSWISH]

'96 Finals say different...
Late 90's Bulls, aren't the early 90's Bulls that we're using to compare now are we?

The former is MJ in his prime from 28 - 30 years old doing MUCH heavy lifting.. Not 33 - 35 past his prime Jordan. Whom I've readily admitted had more talent on those teams. Not the most in the league like the current Heat. But top five no doubt.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Late 90's Bulls, aren't the early 90's Bulls that we're using to compare now are we?

The former is MJ in his prime from 28 - 30 years old doing MUCH heavy lifting.. Not 33 - 35 past his prime Jordan. Whom I've readily admitted had more talent on those teams. Not the most in the league like the current Heat. But top five no doubt.


Jordan would never be able to disappear and play well below his averages in a series where the Bulls still came out on top.

I was only responding to this :confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

'96 Finals say different...
The Bulls were up 3-0 in that series before Mj got in a slump retard.:lol Go look up the statistics of losing with a 3-0 lead. It was over.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

The Bulls were up 3-0 in that series before Mj got in a slump retard.:lol Go look up the statistics of losing with a 3-0 lead. It was over.

Exactly. It would've been a historic choke if Jordan's teammates didn't pick up the slack for him.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I was only responding to this :confusedshrug:
That series was over by game 3. Chicago dicked around for 2x games in order to finish it out at home. I can tell you weren't watching by that time.

MJ played below his averages, sure, but he wasn't carried by any player or players during the series.

27 ppg on 42%, 5 rpg, 4 apg.

But he still was clearly the best player on the team The next best player was Pippen who put up 16 ppg on 34%, 8 rpg, and 5 apg. Toni Kukoc also shot 31% for his 13 ppg. MJ shot the best percentage of all of them.

Rodman contributed heavily on the offensive glass, but he got TORCHED by Shawn Kemp that series.

No one was decisively outplaying Jordan, even in his worst Finals, the way D-Wade was head and shoulders the best player for the Heat in the 2011 Finals carrying them for much of it until he got hurt with a hip flexor. So my statement about Jordan still stands.

[sportjames23]

That series was over by game 3. Chicago dicked around for 2x games in order to finish it out at home. I can tell you weren't watching by that time.

MJ played below his averages, sure, but he wasn't carried by any player or players during the series.

27 ppg on 42%, 5 rpg, 4 apg.

But he still was clearly the best player on the team The next best player was Pippen who put up 16 ppg on 34%, 8 rpg, and 5 apg. Toni Kukoc also shot 31% for his 13 ppg. MJ shot the best percentage of all of them.

Rodman contributed heavily on the offensive glass, but he got TORCHED by Shawn Kemp that series.

No one was decisively outplaying Jordan, even in his worst Finals, the way D-Wade was head and shoulders the best player for the Heat in the 2011 Finals carrying them for much of it until he got hurt with a hip flexor. So my statement about Jordan still stands.


Aether.

[DaSeba5]

I'm still waiting on how the 2011 Heat are the most stacked team in comparison to their era in NBA history. Nobody has answered me on why nobody stepped up for Miami when LeBron choked and Wade did all he could when the games in the Finals were close. I seem to be the only person who remembers them having Bibby, Magloire, Big Z, Dampier, Juwan Howard, Dampier, Pittman, and Eddie House.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

That series was over by game 3. Chicago dicked around for 2x games in order to finish it out at home. I can tell you weren't watching by that time.

MJ played below his averages, sure, but he wasn't carried by any player or players during the series.

27 ppg on 42%, 5 rpg, 4 apg.

But he still was clearly the best player on the team The next best player was Pippen who put up 16 ppg on 34%, 8 rpg, and 5 apg. Toni Kukoc also shot 31% for his 13 ppg. MJ shot the best percentage of all of them.

Rodman contributed heavily on the offensive glass, but he got TORCHED by Shawn Kemp that series.

No one was decisively outplaying Jordan, even in his worst Finals, the way D-Wade was head and shoulders the best player for the Heat in the 2011 Finals carrying them for much of it until he got hurt with a hip flexor. So my statement about Jordan still stands.

He played below his averages and won. That's all I was getting at. And Kukoc actually shot 42%. You probably got it mixed up with his 3p%.

[juju151111]

I'm still waiting on how the 2011 Heat are the most stacked team in comparison to their era in NBA history. Nobody has answered me on why nobody stepped up for Miami when LeBron choked and Wade did all he could when the games in the Finals were close. I seem to be the only person who remembers them having Bibby, Magloire, Big Z, Dampier, Juwan Howard, Dampier, Pittman, and Eddie House.
They are stacked. LJ played like a role player.

[DaSeba5]

They are stacked. LJ played like a role player.

I didn't say they weren't stacked at least with the big 3. I don't agree with saying "most" stacked.

[SamuraiSWISH]

What team was more stacked than the 2011 Heat? 2012 Thunder can only compete. It doesn't matter if you have ancient role players. When you have LeBron / Wade / Bosh in their prime. You're stacked. No one can match firepower with that ...

[DaSeba5]

What team was more stacked than the 2011 Heat? 2012 Thunder can only compete. It doesn't matter if you have ancient role players. When you have LeBron / Wade / Bosh in their prime. You're stacked. No one can match firepower with that ...

The 2012 and 2013 Heat. The 2011 team was flawed even with a healthy Wade.

[Just2McFly]

Jordan is easily one of the best post up players ever. The 6'4 Wade would get eaten alive from the block. But if they're playing by '14 rules, I think Jordan figures out pretty quickly he can just blow past a one legged Wade whenever he felt like it. Shit would be grotesque. Easy 45 PPG on very high efficiency. I'm not exaggerating either.
smh at 45 ppg....

You guys need to stop living in the past.

[DonDadda59]

smh at 45 ppg....

You guys need to stop living in the past.

You need to suck a d*ck.

Wouldn't be the first time Jordan averaged 40-45 PPG in a playoff series.

Wouldn't even be the first time he did it in the finals.

These are facts.

[Teanett]

What team was more stacked than the 2011 Heat? 2012 Thunder can only compete. It doesn't matter if you have ancient role players. When you have LeBron / Wade / Bosh in their prime. You're stacked. No one can match firepower with that ...

agreed.
thunder would have to upgrade ibaka to lamarcus aldridge to get to that level of "stacked".
pacers would have to add derrick rose.
clippers would have to add melo.

[JohnFreeman]

agreed.
thunder would have to upgrade ibaka to lamarcus aldridge to get to that level of "stacked".
pacers would have to add derrick rose.
clippers would have to add melo.
2012 Thunder was more stacked then the 2011 Heat.

[DaSeba5]

2012 Thunder was more stacked then the 2011 Heat.

Agreed. The Heat became far more stacked after 2011 with Battier, Allen, Lewis, Cole and Birdman added to the team coming off winning a title with great chemistry, ball movement, and championship pedigree. The 2011 team was flawed. It was just watch Wade and LeBron do everything. Bosh wasn't comfortable yet. Their role players were almost useless. It's a completely different team if you compare them to the last 2 years.

[DonDadda59]

smh at 45 ppg....

You guys need to stop living in the past.

Jordan playoff series where he averaged 40+ PPG:

Vs ATG Team candidate '86 Celtics: 43.7 PPG/ 6.3 RPG/ 5.7 APG (51%)
Vs '88 Cavaliers: 45.2 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG (56%)
Vs '89 Cavaliers: 39.8 PPG/ 5.8 RPG/ 8.2 APG (52%)
Vs '90 Sixers: 43 PPG/ 6.6 RPG/ 7.4 APG/ 4 SPG (55%)
Vs '92 Heat: 45 PPG/ 9.7 RPG/ 6.7 APG/ 3 SPG (61%)
Vs '93 Suns: 41 PPG/ 8.5 RPG/ 6.3 APG (51%)



But yeah, thinking that him being guarded by a one legged Wade who isn't allowed to physically impede him, with a 3-second lane rule, and Chris Bosh at center (:lol ) would produce results he had several times during that time in his career is 'living in the past'.

You're alright darkness :cheers:

[Combat Wombat]

i meant Grant u moron.
cant i make a simple mistake?? i know damn well rodman came in the second threepeat:coleman:

No, you obviously didn't, you little beta bitch. You decided, like most Heat fans, to run your mouth off about something you don't know f#ck all about and now you look like a moron.

It's now 100% fact that you only started watching the NBA in 2010 AT THE EARLIEST. I bet you couldn't even name 5 players from the Heat team in 2001.

[Teanett]

2012 Thunder was more stacked then the 2011 Heat.

nah brah.

2011 heat have the mvp, a top 5 player and a top 10 player.
remember, chris bosh came from toronto averaging 24/11 on 52%.
they didnt mesh well yet but they were stacked.

2012 thunder have the #2 player and maybe a top 10 player.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

nah brah.

2011 heat have the mvp, a top 5 player and a top 10 player.
remember, chris bosh came from toronto averaging 24/11 on 52%.
they didnt mesh well yet but they were stacked.

2012 thunder have the #2 player and maybe a top 10 player.

Bosh is great but he was never a top 10 player in the league. He averaged that in the RS but he could never do much in the playoffs as the man.

[Teanett]

Bosh is great but he was never a top 10 player in the league. He averaged that in the RS but he could never do much in the playoffs as the man.

he was 9th in points and 6th in rebounds that year.
he definetely had a case for being a top 10 player.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

he was 9th in points and 6th in rebounds that year.
he definetely had a case for being a top 10 player.

You think he has a case over Westbrook as a top 10 player?

[DaSeba5]

The Big 3 had to carry them in 2011. Everyone else was just there and stood around. The role players were that bad. You don't see the big 3 having to carry the load as much nowadays as you did then. I remember games where all 3 of them would score 30 points and it would still be a close game. In the Finals, when LeBron choked and Wade could only do so much, nobody else really stepped up. Bosh didn't get comfortable in his role until the next year. That is why I don't think they are the most stacked team of their era. If you are going to make that case, 2012-2014 is more accurate to me. That 2011 team was very flawed.

[JohnFreeman]

nah brah.

2011 heat have the mvp, a top 5 player and a top 10 player.
remember, chris bosh came from toronto averaging 24/11 on 52%.
they didnt mesh well yet but they were stacked.

2012 thunder have the #2 player and maybe a top 10 player.
LeBron Wade and Bosh or Durant, Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SamuraiSWISH]

You think he has a case over Westbrook as a top 10 player?
Consistency wise? No. But Wade is still clearly the better basketball player.

[Megabox!]

Wait ppl are saying the 2011 Heat were stacked?? It was basically 3 guys taking on entire teams. Their role players were horrible

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Consistency wise? No. But Wade is still clearly the better basketball player.

I was referring to Bosh.

[Legends66NBA7]

When was Bosh ever considered Top 10 player ?

I think he was considered Top 20-25 at times. Was ever considered Top 15 ?

[Im Still Ballin]

Wait ppl are saying the 2011 Heat were stacked?? It was basically 3 guys taking on entire teams. Their role players were horrible

This.

[Fire Colangelo]

he was 9th in points and 6th in rebounds that year.
he definetely had a case for being a top 10 player.

stop this shit he was at BEST the top 5 PF that year, with Stoudemire, Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, KG CLEARLY better than him.

[MichaelCorleone]

1992 Bulls easily.

[Legends66NBA7]

stop this shit he was at BEST the top 5 PF that year, with Stoudemire, Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, KG CLEARLY better than him.

Thank you. At least some Raptor fans here who followed Bosh that season. Clearly not a Top 10 player for 2010 and he never was a Top 10 player in any season. He wasn't even the best PF in his Raptor years.

[Linspired]

Bulls in 4. Scottie neutralizes bron, Jordan does whatever he wants, and bulls are just too big and physical.

Honestly this heat team aren't that good. They lose to a lot of great teams in the past. They would lose to 04 pistons. Just think about it.

[JohnFreeman]

If Wade is healthy, Jordan isn't scoring

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Anybody championship Bulls team couldn't beat the current Heat team with the zone rules being applied.

[Legends66NBA7]

If Wade is healthy, Jordan isn't scoring

:oldlol:

Healthy or not, Jordan is scoring at will.

[MichaelCorleone]

If Wade is healthy, Jordan isn't scoring
http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mj-gif.gif

[Combat Wombat]

If Wade is healthy, Jordan isn't scoring

:biggums:

[Fire Colangelo]

Thank you. At least some Raptor fans here who followed Bosh that season. Clearly not a Top 10 player for 2010 and he never was a Top 10 player in any season. He wasn't even the best PF in his Raptor years.

:cheers:

[LONGTIME]

Lebron would shut Jordan down. Jordan Crawford

[MichaelCorleone]

Lebron would shut Jordan down. Jordan Crawford
50/50, if Payton could do it, Lebron sure as hell can.

[Milbuck]

In Jordan's absolute worst Finals series, he put up 27/5/4/2 on 54 TS%.

LOL at anyone "shutting MJ down".

[Legends66NBA7]

In Jordan's absolute worst Finals series, he put up 27/5/4/2 on 54 TS%.

LOL at anyone "shutting MJ down".

White text.

[Milbuck]

White text.
Wasn't responding to him, the troll after him.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wasn't responding to him, the troll after him.

Oops, never mind then.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ missed shots he normally hit that entire series. GP played him well, no doubt about it. He's one of the greatest perimeter defenders EVER but he certainly didn't lock Jordan down. The very next matchup they had the following season in 1997 MJ gave GP 45 in Seattle.

[poido123]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series:coleman:


This guy. :facepalm


92 Bulls? I see who not to pay attention to in this thread :oldlol:

[MMM]

so the majority easily take the 92 Bulls but aren't the Heat supposed to be "stacked"????? I mean among teams that won back to back i would think most people would have the Heat at the bottom of the list in comparison to other back - to - back champs.

[DFish24]

Bulls in 5, then Bran tries to join Durant's team.

[Upgrayedd]

so the majority easily take the 92 Bulls but aren't the Heat supposed to be "stacked"????? I mean among teams that won back to back i would think most people would have the Heat at the bottom of the list in comparison to other back - to - back champs.

They're stacked in today's NBA. Put them in the '80s or '90s and they don't win anything.

[poido123]

so the majority easily take the 92 Bulls but aren't the Heat supposed to be "stacked"????? I mean among teams that won back to back i would think most people would have the Heat at the bottom of the list in comparison to other back - to - back champs.


Stacked when you talk about relative competition on a year to year basis(considering injured rival teams etc). Stacked when you consider that they own the two most dynamic perimeter players(subject to Wade's health) in the game today.

It really is just mental for them. Their team is easily the most talented, they have the best player in the game and excellent role players. There is no excuse for them not to win every year. Lebron knew very well he was walking into a title contender the moment he announced his decision.

But if you want to compare 92 Bulls to this Heat? You're comparing them directly and those championship Bulls teams through the 90s would tear apart any version of the Miami Heat. Miami's interior defense and rebounding would be exposed by all versions of Bulls teams in the 90s. Miami's strengths are nullified since the Bulls had dynamic wing players too. They have them beat any way you look at it.

[JohnFreeman]

battier wouldn't let jordan score

[ImKobe]

so the majority easily take the 92 Bulls but aren't the Heat supposed to be "stacked"????? I mean among teams that won back to back i would think most people would have the Heat at the bottom of the list in comparison to other back - to - back champs.

92 Bulls have the GOAT. This year's Heat team isn't that stacked because the role players haven't exactly been as strong as they were last year and Wade has been on and off with his knee. No one's picking anyone to beat Michael, even if the Bulls were shit outside of him.

[DonDadda59]

battier wouldn't let jordan score

Put Shane on Jordan and he gets Thunder Dan'ed :lol

[Indian guy]

They're stacked in today's NBA. Put them in the '80s or '90s and they don't win anything.

Ummm, what exactly makes the 90's different from the current era? Besides Chicago, who else would be considered more talented than the current Heat?

[ImKobe]

Ummm, what exactly makes the 90's different from the current era? Besides Chicago, who else would be considered more talented than the current Heat?

Overall? I'd make a case for the 94 Magic, 96 Sonics, 95 Rockets and 98 Jazz. 99 Lakers would also be arguable with a prime Shaq and an emerging Kobe + Glen Rice + Eddie Jones. Then you have the stacked 93 Phoenix Suns roster with Barkley, Kevin Jones, Majerie, Cellabos, Chambers & Ainge. 90s Hornets with Larry Johnson & Zo both putting up 20 and 10 a season + Muggsy + Curry..

90s had a lot of great players and teams.

[MichaelCorleone]

Lebron is a better defensive player than Gary Payton. He would give MJ some trouble.

But still, 1992 Bulls would win the series.

[poido123]

Ummm, what exactly makes the 90's different from the current era? Besides Chicago, who else would be considered more talented than the current Heat?


Better teams or more talented?

I'd say the Kobe/Shaq teams, and arguably the Spurs teams through the 00's could beat current Heat.

[poido123]

]Lebron is a better defensive player than Gary Payton. He would give MJ some trouble.[/B]

But still, 1992 Bulls would win the series.



Better than Payton? Nah.

[MichaelCorleone]

Better than Payton? Nah.
Look at the difference in their physique. Lebron is the better defensive player between him and GP.

[ImKobe]

Lebron is a better defensive player than Gary Payton. He would give MJ some trouble.

But still, 1992 Bulls would win the series.


http://www.kicksculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-lol-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-1660.gif

[poido123]

Look at the difference in their physique. Lebron is the better defensive player between him and GP.


Ok, so if I am to believe what you say, you are a better defender because you have a bigger body?

http://www.fullgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Xzibit-picard-facepalm-best-gif.gif

[Milbuck]

Ok, so if I am to believe what you say, you are a better defender because you have a bigger body?

http://www.fullgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Xzibit-picard-facepalm-best-gif.gif
Don't engage the troll man, not worth the time.

[hitmanyr2k]

Ummm, what exactly makes the 90's different from the current era? Besides Chicago, who else would be considered more talented than the current Heat?

The Heat are intimidated and get throttled by big men of average talent like Hibbert and even stars in the twilight of their careers like Tim Duncan. Teams from the 90s with formidable frontlines (Shaq/Ho Grant, Hakeem/Thorpe, Zo/PJ Brown, Ewing/Oakley/Mason, etc) would have a field day on these guys.

As great as those Bulls teams were I've said before that the '96 Magic would be the toughest matchup for the Heat in the 90's. A monster center in Shaq and a quick combo guard like Penny would give Miami hell. It would be like Duncan/Parker or Hibbert/PG on steroids.

[MichaelCorleone]

Ok, so if I am to believe what you say, you are a better defender because you have a bigger body?
Yes. That is why DPOY are always bigs except for GP and MJ.

Dwight > GP defensively

Ibaka > GP defensively

That is just nature, their bigger body makes them a better defender.

[JohnFreeman]

Yes. That is why DPOY are always bigs except for GP and MJ.

Dwight > GP defensively

Ibaka > GP defensively

That is just nature, their bigger body makes them a better defender.
Payton is one of the best on ball defenders ever.

[MichaelCorleone]

Payton is one of the best on ball defenders ever.
Sure, one of the best defensive guard all of time.

But compared to defensive big? He's not as valuable. Bigs have more impact defensively than guards do, that's a fact that will never change. Lebron can be a PF or Center, he's better defensively than GP.

[JohnFreeman]

Sure, one of the best defensive guard all of time.

But compared to defensive big? He's not as valuable. Bigs have more impact defensively than guards do, that's a fact that will never change. Lebron can be a PF or Center, he's better defensively than GP.
Smaller defenders are more annoying in my opinion.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Smaller defenders are more annoying in my opinion.
They are quicker laterally, usually quicker hands, quicker anticipation skills, better at stopping dribble penetration or rhythm dribbling. Some of the best perimeter defenders I've seen were smaller guys. Even players who go un-noticed like Kirk Hinrich. The guy can give much longer superstar SGs fits.

[MichaelCorleone]

They are quicker laterally, usually quicker hands, better at stopping penetration or rhythm dribbling. Some of the best perimeter defenders I've seen were smaller guys. Even players who go un-noticed like Kirk Hinrich. The guy can give much longer superstar SGs fits.
Lebron James is probably better than any perimeter defenders you've seen.

[poido123]

Yes. That is why DPOY are always bigs except for GP and MJ.

Dwight > GP defensively

Ibaka > GP defensively

That is just nature, their bigger body makes them a better defender.


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[JohnFreeman]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5olwgrsOK1r0qblfo1_500.jpg

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[poido123]

Lebron James is probably better than any perimeter defenders you've seen.


I thought you would of realised last time, that this shit only leads to another ban? Perhaps one more PERMANENT.


:coleman:

[MichaelCorleone]

I thought you would of realised last time, that this shit only leads to another ban? Perhaps one more PERMANENT.


:coleman:
Just because I have an OPINION?

And no less an actual reasonable opinion that many people agree with?:facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron James is probably better than any perimeter defenders you've seen.
He's up there, of course.

[Milbuck]

Just because I have an OPINION?

And no less an actual reasonable opinion that many people agree with?:facepalm
Reported.

[MichaelCorleone]

He's up there, of course.
There, a Bulls fan who's giving Lebron props. Thanks, objective fan.:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy6uigdabDs

[SamuraiSWISH]

There, a Bulls fan who's giving Lebron props. Thanks, objective fan.:cheers:
I give props to anyone who deserves it.

[poido123]

There, a Bulls fan who's giving Lebron props. Thanks, objective fan.:cheers:


He's no GP.

Lebron is a decent man defender, off the ball defender? Not so great.

He gets credited for great team defense, where the media and his fans want to make it out like it's Lebron solely.

Best I've probably ever seen, definately not :no: :lol

[MichaelCorleone]

He's no GP.

Lebron is a decent man defender, off the ball defender? Not so great.

He gets credited for great team defense, where the media and his fans want to make it out like it's Lebron solely.

Best I've probably ever seen, definately not :no: :lol
Lebron is about to join MJ and GP as the only 3 perimeter DPOY of all time.

[Cali Syndicate]

Lebron is about to join MJ and GP as the only 3 perimeter DPOY of all time.

Uh...artest?

Michael cooper? Moncrief? Robertson? And pistons Dennis rodman?

[MichaelCorleone]

Uh...artest?

Michael cooper? Moncrief? Robertson? And pistons Dennis rodman?
None of those are perimeter players.:facepalm

[Dro]

None of those are perimeter players.:facepalm
Are you trolling or being sarcastic? How are Sidney Moncrief, Alvin Robertson and Michael Cooper not perimeter/wing players? There's a PG, a SG, and a SF..:confusedshrug:

[Cali Syndicate]

None of those are perimeter players.:facepalm

Guards aren't perimeter players?

Artest wasn't a perimeter player?

Who??

Rodman on the pistons is the only questionable one but even so was guarding perimeter players night in night out.

[ImKobe]

Uh...artest?

Michael cooper? Moncrief? Robertson? And pistons Dennis rodman?

Rodman is not a wing player.

And anyone thinking Lebron will be the DPOY this year is flat out delusional. Heat are 15th in DRTG :facepalm

[Cali Syndicate]

Rodman is not a wing player.

And anyone thinking Lebron will be the DPOY this year is flat out delusional. Heat are 15th in DRTG :facepalm

He played sf earlier in his career. He guarded perimeter players left and right during his years in Detroit and was damn good at it too.

[ImKobe]

He played sf earlier in his career. He guarded perimeter players left and right during his years in Detroit and was damn good at it too.

I get that, but as a player he's not a SF. He could keep up with SFs and guard them on the perimeter, defensively he's one of the best perimeter defenders, but as a player he was a Power Forward.

[Teanett]

stop this shit he was at BEST the top 5 PF that year, with Stoudemire, Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, KG CLEARLY better than him.
:wtf:
yo... stoudemire didnt even score more than bosh that year, so what does he have over bosh then?
bosh was 4th in the league in PER... only behind james, bosh and wade.

the only one who CLEARLY has a point over bosh that year is dirk.

[Cali Syndicate]

I get that, but as a player he's not a SF. He could keep up with SFs and guard them on the perimeter, defensively he's one of the best perimeter defenders, but as a player he was a Power Forward.

What makes him more of a pf than a sf? Offensively he is neither. Defensively he could wreak havoc on the perimter or use his impeccable motor to bang in the paint and chase down rebounds.

Either way, I did say him being a wing was arguable. But He played sf by position earlier in his career. Kinda like around the time he started winning dpoy awards.

[ImKobe]

What makes him more of a pf than a sf? Offensively he is neither. Defensively he could wreak havoc on the perimter or use his impeccable motor to bang in the paint and chase down rebounds.

Either way, I did say him being a wing was arguable. But He played sf by position earlier in his career. Kinda like around the time he started winning dpoy awards.

Offensively he doesn't play like a SF. He had a skillset of a power forward. he was a garbage man on the offensive end like a Ben Wallace or a DeAndre Jordan. Though he could shoot the ball much better than those two.

[arifgokcen]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series:coleman:
:D what rodman dude

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:D what rodman dude

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
nigguh i i thought about the bulls teams and both rodman and grant came to mind.
i knew Grant was on the first threepeat roster not Rodman:facepalm
i just didnt concentrate and made a mistake.
on the 2nd page now you bring it up 10 Pages later
good job nigguh:coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

i see much butthurt in this thread of people who cant deal with the fact that LeBron is better than Jordan:roll: :roll: :roll:
or that the Heat have a good chance if everyone is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over:applause: :applause:

[Teanett]

nigguh i i thought about the bulls teams and both rodman and grant came to mind.
i knew Grant was on the first threepeat roster not Rodman:facepalm
i just didnt concentrate and made a mistake.
on the 2nd page now you bring it up 10 Pages later
good job nigguh:coleman:

rodman on the '92 team?
:roll: :roll:
:roll:

:applause:
:lol
:oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

rodman on the '92 team?
:roll: :roll:
:roll:

:applause:
:lol
:oldlol:
i already said i knew it was grant.
i just wrote rodman because i didnt concentrate on my post and thought about both of them at that moment:facepalm :facepalm
cant a nigguh make one single writing mistake anymore.
my history here should show that i know damn well who played where and when and just made a mistake:coleman: :coleman:

[Combat Wombat]

i see much butthurt in this thread of people who cant deal with the fact that LeBron is better than Jordan:roll: :roll: :roll:
or that the Heat have a good chance if everyone is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over:applause: :applause:

You really are a paranoid, delusional fakkit with a worrying level of insecurity. It's the '92 Bulls vs the '14 Heat, not Jordan vs Lebron.

Even if it was the latter, you have made zero case for Lebron>Jordan so until then, go sit in a corner and play with a power point, you f#cking idiot.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You really are a paranoid, delusional fakkit with a worrying level of insecurity. It's the '92 Bulls vs the '14 Heat, not Jordan vs Lebron.

Even if it was the latter, you have made zero case for Lebron>Jordan so until then, go sit in a corner and play with a power point, you f#cking idiot.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :wtf: :biggums:

[Dragonyeuw]

If Wade is healthy, Jordan isn't scoring

The shit I read on this board....:coleman:

[JohnFreeman]

The shit I read on this board....:coleman:
I obviously was joking. I did forget to add the white text though

[Dragonyeuw]

Look at the difference in their physique. Lebron is the better defensive player between him and GP.

More versatile,yes. As an in your shorts,stick to you like glue defender? No. He's called the glove for a reason.

[Dragonyeuw]

I obviously was joking. I did forget to add the white text though

Man, with the crap I read from some posters, I couldn't tell.

:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

Man, with the crap I read from some posters, I couldn't tell.

:cheers:
:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

IF Wade is healthy and Bosh doesnt bend over for Rodman Heat got this.
afterall they have the best player in that series

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[Indian guy]

The Heat are intimidated and get throttled by big men of average talent like Hibbert and even stars in the twilight of their careers like Tim Duncan.

Meh. Miami's been built with this era in mind, which is devoid of quality centers. Had they played in the 90's, they'd sacrifice some of their shooting(all their acquisitions are spacing-oriented) for a traditional center.

Anyway, that's not really relevant to the topic. The question is, WHY would Miami not be considered "stacked"' in the 90's, if they are stacked today? What exactly has changed? The super-team era was the 80's, where the talent level of the top 3 teams was far and beyond the rest of the league. That hasn't really been the case since the end of that decade. The difference in overall talent of all champions post 80's LA/Boston is minimal to none. They are all built in pretty much the same mode.

The Miami is "stacked" relative to era argument is just another case of haters' refusal to give this team any credit. It's amazing how strong the butt hurt still is. Their response to Miami's success? Who cares, look how stacked they are!! 3 superstars! It's totally unfair! OK, how would they fare against past greats? LULZ! They would get swept by every single on of 'em! But I thought they were stacked, with 3 All Stars and all? Errr....only relative to era!! Wouldn't do sh!t pre-00's. I see, so the stacked teams of the 90's had more than 3 All Stars? They all go quiet here.

These are also the same people who can never shut up about LeBron stacking the deck and how his rings are less meaningful than past greats'. And yet, they'll be the first ones predicting sweep when comparing LeBron's Heat to these "past greats'" teams. It's such a hilarious dilemma for the haters. They just don't know what to do.

[VIntageNOvel]

Bulls in 5,
the key is MJ/wade match up, as bron/pippen would cancel each other out,
if its prime wade, then we're talking about 7 game series,
current wade, not so much

[Micku]

Interesting comparison but at the same time we need more like the rules of the nba and we need to see how would the Heat team will play when healthy.

I think the Heat have a couple of advantages in spacing due to superior 3pt shooters. The Heat is also more stacked and have more depth than the Bulls did. It depends on how good Oden plays imo that determines how good they are. We'll see how they play at the end of the year.

The Bulls are...better organize with their core. Like Pippen plays a better 2nd option than Wade and Grant plays a better third option than Bosh. Bill Cartwright will matter more against the Heat. The Bulls usually try to get him going depending if the matchup suits him, and the Heat suits him depending whatever how healthy Oden is or how good Chris Anderson is playing.

And it depends on the defense that they'll play. The Bulls have the better individual defenders along with the best scorer in MJ. I would want to give the edge to the Bulls because I think they would beat the Heat in the rebounds, well coached, and have the defenders and superstar to battle with LeBron, especially in clutch situations.

[aj1987]

Bulls in 5,
the key is MJ/wade match up, as bron/pippen would cancel each other out,
if its prime wade, then we're talking about 7 game series,
current wade, not so much
This is literally the stupidest thing ever posted on this board.

[Teanett]

bj armstrong>>>mario chalmers and aint even close.

[Angel Face]

:roll:

[Foster5k]

Heat still have the best player.
:facepalm

[sportjames23]

Bron stans looking REAL stupid right now.

Actually, they were looking real stupid as soon as they started comparing Bron to MJ.

Sit ya'll asses down. Don't ever compare Bron to MJ. Bron got to work his way up to Duncan and Kobe before he can even be compared to other players in the Top Ten All Time, let alone MJ.

[deja vu]

inb4 LeBron stans saying 2014 Spurs >>> 1992 Bulls