Do people really think Lebron can surpass Jordan?

[theoneneo]

:( Has the world seriously gone that mad?

Lebron, much like my ***** Kobe falls short with bad Finals performances...

Lebron's finals TS% is only .50, that's where it matters.

When people remember Jordan's biggest finals moment they remember thishttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0606/nba_g_jordan2_sw_580.jpg

Years from now this will be Lebron's biggest finals Moment http://www.metronews.fr/_internal/gxml!0/r0dc21o2f3vste5s7ezej9x3a10rp3w$7pnn10sgbq13nywl6a 04rpsh9nr1d1g/000_170834663.jpeg

Do you see him all by himself with his hands in the air? :lol ****** wasn't paying that boy no mind lol

This is of course gonna turn into a Lebron > Kobe thread (Lebron stan tactics when they begin to loose an argument)

But here's Kobe's moment http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/la_g_bryant_celebrates1_576.jpg
Do you feel the glory? as he wins his 5th ring

"This is for my posters up north, high off that jack smack,first post back we got some stans to back smack" - Theoneneo

[moe94]

LeBron would need at least 7 and people would still harp about his other failures so it's an impossibility.

[Nash]

no, #2 is the goal. GOAT is MJ.

[Nikola_]

1.mjs-offensive foul
2.lbjs-jesus
3.kobes-artest, gasol

[navy]

I dont think he can. He needs 7 rings. But it would be wrong to say it is an impossibility.

[MMM]

If Bron 4 peats and wins a few MVPs that would put him close for most. Nobody has 4 peated since the 60s so it would be a rare accomplishment not sure how likely it is that he could pull that off.

[sd3035]

not possible

[CavaliersFTW]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.

[moe94]

If Bron 4 peats and wins a few MVPs that would put him close for most. Nobody has 4 peated since the 60s so it would be a rare accomplishment not sure how likely it is that he could pull that off.

If he 4peats, that's easy top 6.

[Megabox!]

Meh LBJ's biggest finals moment was going Super Saiyan in the 4th after his headband was knocked off and then proceeded to ascend to Super Saiyan 2 in game 7

[Crafty]

No, but he can become a top 3 all-time wich it still pretty good.

[leMVP]

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/37/files/2013/06/7446212.jpg

Burn, Kobetard. :rolleyes:

[MMM]

If he 4peats, that's easy top 6.

I think closer to top 3 especially if he got MVPS along the way. While understand career accomplishments weigh heavily in rankings I still would feel uncomfortable with putting over guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. However, how can you ignore him being the best player on the planet for the stretch that he's been on. Bron has been in the top 2 in the league since 06 or 07. I wonder how that compares to other all time greats.

Btw Who's that in your avy???

[Eric Cartman]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.

Lebron failed to make the playoffs twice. Also was swept in the finals. And let's not even begin with the biggest chokejob in the finals comparable to Magic Johnson in 1984 and Kobe Bryant in 2004, against a team that wasn't anything out of this world (Mavs).

[ImKobe]

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/37/files/2013/06/7446212.jpg

Burn, Kobetard. :rolleyes:

Lebron hits a wide open jumper :applause:

Spurs backed off him and dared him to shoot warm-up jumpers that most NBA wings would make 8 times out of 10, and he ends up shooting 45% for the series :lol

And btw, Kobe's the only player since MJ in 91 to average 32+ ppg 7+ apg in a Finals series. Lebron's career finals fg% is slightly higher than Kobe's, yet he played 0 Finals series when handchecking was legal, Kobed played in 4 Finals during the handcheck era.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Honestly, when I think of Bulls finals moments, I think of these too:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/GnAr4I3-Z48/hqdefault.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

That doesn't take away from Jordan's performance at all. LeBron killed it in game 7 and hit the dagger.

Edit: Also, technically speaking, it's better to NOT NEED big clutch shots in the finals. Heat beat the Thunder in 5 games. It's better to do that, then to rely on some last minute clutch shots in game 6-7.

[moe94]

I think closer to top 3 especially if he got MVPS along the way. While understand career accomplishments weigh heavily in rankings I still would feel uncomfortable with putting over guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. However, how can you ignore him being the best player on the planet for the stretch that he's been on. Bron has been in the top 2 in the league since 06 or 07. I wonder how that compares to other all time greats.

Btw Who's that in your avy???

Some random chick.

Let's wait for a 3peat first. That itself is insane to do.

[MMM]

Lebron failed to make the playoffs twice. Also was swept in the finals. And let's not even begin with the biggest chokejob in the finals comparable to Magic Johnson in 1984 and Kobe Bryant in 2004, against a team that wasn't anything out of this world (Mavs).

Not necessarily agreeing with the poster u quoted but let's have some context. Bron missed the playoffs leading a team that only won 17 games the year prior. I would argue he made improved the Cavs too soon. Heck his 2nd year they missed the playoffs by one game and probably would of snuck in if Boston benched their players vs. Cle like they did vs. The 8th seeded team. Also think more credit is deserving for the teams that won those series.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron hits a wide open jumper :applause:

Spurs backed off him and dared him to shoot warm-up jumpers that most NBA wings would make 8 times out of 10, and he ends up shooting 45% for the series :lol

And btw, Kobe's the only player since MJ in 91 to average 32+ ppg 7+ apg in a Finals series. Lebron's career finals fg% is slightly higher than Kobe's, yet he played 0 Finals series when handchecking was legal, Kobed played in 4 Finals during the handcheck era.
Wow, you really think they dared him to take that dagger at the end? you should really try watching the games instead of staring at box scores all day :biggums:

[Milbuck]

No. Ever since that 2007 finals series, I knew. It was incredible how he carried his team there and all that, but watching the Spurs totally own his soul was a revelation. 2011 confirmed it. Granted, he's been amazing since then. He's compensated big time and he's almost a lock for top 5-7. But get MJ out of your head, Lebron is NOT surpassing MJ.

[secund2nun]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.

+1

Jordan missed the playoffs a few times and lost in the first round 3 times, but somehow winning a conference title is worse than that. These MJ fan boys have such strange logic.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards.

You might want to check your facts. Jordan never missed the playoffs on the Bulls.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron showed hes able to make teammates better on a whole nother level than MJ.
he never got bounced in the first round and his 2007 finals run at age 21 makes up for his shit performance in the 2011 finals vs a great mavs team. he also had problems with Wade on who is the main man.
ever since that lebron showed a dominance and all around game jordan never had.
yes Jordan is great and top 4 player but LeBron has more accomplishments at a younger age as well as more rings. hes the better player too.
if he keeps winning he will surpass jordan. if not he will fall just short.
hes a lock for top 5 tho:coleman:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Honestly, when I think of Bulls finals moments, I think of these too:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/GnAr4I3-Z48/hqdefault.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

That doesn't take away from Jordan's performance at all. LeBron killed it in game 7 and hit the dagger.

Edit: Also, technically speaking, it's better to NOT NEED big clutch shots in the finals. Heat beat the Thunder in 5 games. It's better to do that, then to rely on some last minute clutch shots in game 6-7.

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.
LeBron SINGLEHANDEDLY brought the HEat back with roleplayers that spaced the floor. i cant remember how many points he had but it was something like 12-16 too.
hit a clutch shot in the last 20 seconds too:coleman:

[theoneneo]

LeBron showed hes able to make teammates better on a whole nother level than MJ.
he never got bounced in the first round and his 2007 finals run at age 21 makes up for his shit performance in the 2011 finals vs a great mavs team. he also had problems with Wade on who is the main man.
ever since that lebron showed a dominance and all around game jordan never had.
yes Jordan is great and top 4 player but LeBron has more accomplishments at a younger age as well as more rings. hes the better player too.
if he keeps winning he will surpass jordan. if not he will fall just short.
hes a lock for top 5 tho:coleman:

Lol Jordan averaged 11apg in 91, that's way higher than Bron you turd... :lol

And lol at his "run" to the finals, that shit don't matter boy, he got swept, nobody remembers that cheesy ass run.

And while Bron has more accomplished at a younger age, that's irrelevant due to the fact that he came into the league 3 years younger you turd. What's the accomplishments and stats after the same number of seasons tho?

[zoom17]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

Same thing with Lebron game 6 he willed his team to have a chance to win at the end. Without his 4th quarter performance Ray Allen shot wouldn't have mattered.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.
of course you disregard the fact that LeBron went on a run in the third to get his team back in the game after being down 13. You also disregard the fact that he made the 3 before Allen's. And then of course you disregard LeBron's great performances like Game 7 (highest pressure game), or his series against OKC where he ended it with a triple double.

[zoom17]

of course you disregard the fact that LeBron went on a run in the third to get his team back in the game after being down 13. You also disregard the fact that he made the 3 before Allen's. And then of course you disregard LeBron's great performances like Game 7 (highest pressure game), or his series against OKC where he ended it with a triple double.

:applause:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lol Jordan averaged 11apg in 91, that's way higher than Bron you turd... :lol

And lol at his "run" to the finals, that shit don't matter boy, he got swept, nobody remembers that cheesy ass run.

And while Bron has more accomplished at a younger age, that's irrelevant due to the fact that he came into the league 3 years younger you turd. What's the accomplishments and stats after the same number of seasons tho?
throwing around insults wont save you from being a dumbass:coleman:

[Kyle_korver]

yes n for one reason only... lebron is the perfect role model for young basketball player and the sport in general... jordan promoted 1 man show basketball and arrogance which is cool and all but isnt what basketball should be about... the team player aspect is what jordan could never touch lebron in and even tho lebron seems like a butthole sometimes i honestly feel hes the nicest superstar ever..if any of us were him we would be 100 times more of a douche

[Brokenbeat]

Same thing with Lebron game 6 he willed his team to have a chance to win at the end. Without his 4th quarter performance Ray Allen shot wouldn't have mattered.

Without Ray Allen's shot, LeBron's 4th quarter wouldn't have mattered. :confusedshrug:

LeBron will probably crack the top 5 though (aka just outside of Mt. Rushmore)

[Rodmantheman]

OldSchoolBBall got owned:oldlol:

[inclinerator]

If he 4peats, that's easy top 6.
if he 4 peats and 4 finals mvp and no mvp ill have him at 4th place behind jordan, kareem and russell
4 peat and 6 mvps and 4 finals mvp possibly above russel tied with kareem

[Prometheus]

"zoMG look at kobe up on da scorerz table!!"

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leaving-now-grandpa-simpsons.gif

[kamil]

I can't believe there are so many idiots that still think LeBron* is greater or can be greater than MJ.

A career riddled with failures vs. MJ's perfect record? :facepalm

[moe94]

I can't believe there are so many idiots that still think LeBron* is greater or can be greater than MJ.

A career riddled with failures vs. MJ's perfect record? :facepalm
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45mMioJ5szc

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebrons ceiling is 5th best, too many disastrous playoff performances
He will never surpass MJ, KAJ, Russell or Shaq

[DFish24]

Only in Bran stans delusional world can Lebron be GOAT. After 2007, the whole teaming up thing and the big choke job in 2011, there is no way he can be GOAT. His ceiling is probably more around top 5-7.

[Kukoc]

Teamning up with two great players, (Wade easy being a top 5) wont make you The GOAT.

Everbody needs a good team around him and this team in Cleveland sucked, but come on teamning up with Wade and Bosh cant make you the greatest ever.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OldSchoolBBall got owned:oldlol:
Disappeared like Kobe in game 7

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan stans are some of the most bitter people on the internet. Their favorite player is gone, so all they can do is root for other players and teams to fail. It doesn't help that the only their degenerate gambling hero is in the news, is for the shitty way he runs his team. Or that stupid Hitler like mustache he wore in that commerical.

[Kukoc]

Jordan stans are some of the most bitter people on the internet. Their favorite player is gone, so all they can do is root for other players and teams to fail. It doesn't help that the only their degenerate gambling hero is in the news, is for the shitty way he runs his team. Or that stupid Hitler like mustache he wore in that commerical.


What are you like 12?

[AirFederer]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.
:sleeping

And hell no!

[Kukoc]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.


Now I would like to ask you?

Are you like 5?

Jordan never missed the play off as Bulls player

[tmacattack33]

Three weeks ago i thought that Lebron was going downhill and i thought that we might have seen the best from him.

But in the past three weeks, he's shown us that he might have just been coasting earlier on, and now he's back and playing very hard, and we may see a Lebron that is better than we have ever seen...with improved shooting and post play.

So it is impossible to answer this question

[fpliii]

Now I would like to ask you?

Are you like 5?

Jordan never missed the play off as Bulls player
When did CavsFTW mention "as a Bulls player"?

[Prometheus]

When did CavsFTW mention "as a Bulls player"?


Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.

...

[fpliii]

...
Ah, that's incorrect then I guess.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era

^deserves to be in the 'post the dumbest things you've heard said' thread.

[Combat Wombat]

^deserves to be in the 'post the dumbest things you've heard said' thread.

Have mercy on him for he is a Cavs fan.

[Prometheus]

Have mercy on him for he is a Cavs fan.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Michael-Jordan-The-Shot-Over-Craig-Ehlo.gif

:lol Poor Cleveland :lol

[Lordsteven]

michael will always be GOAT. 6 for 6 in the finals. lebron gonna take the 2nd spot tho

[inclinerator]

michael will always be GOAT. 6 for 6 in the finals. lebron gonna take the 2nd spot tho
would u say 6 for 6 is better than 8 for 10 or something along those lines?

[eeeeeebro]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.


current Kobe or 40 y o Jordan?

[DaSeba5]

LeBron has a shot. There's a lot of basketball to be played for him. Do I think he will ultimately finish as the GOAT? No. Do I think he will be top 5? Yes, and maybe even 2nd best all time.

[pauk]

Falls short in Finals? You mean falling short anywhere else in the playoffs doesnt matter? Because MJ has alot of those... and NO, losing earlier than Finals is not a better achievement....

...and its not like MJ was perfect in the Finals all the time either, he had a couple of bad games & chokes here and there... he also had a much more shot happy game than Lebron so to say, he averaged between 26-34 Field-Goal Attempts in the Finals, so i mean no matter how bad he bricked he would still get that PPG which still makes it look good on paper for the blind eye.... they have different games...

Lebron is on perfect pace in essentially every category if you compare to where Jordan was at that timeframe... he has a shot, how likely it is we have no idea, but there is a possibility....

[TheMarkMadsen]

"Jordan never missed the playoffs"

Are we going to pretend like making the playoffs with a record of 30-52, 38-44 & 40-42 is something to brag about?


Jordan only played 18 games in 86 and they still made the playoffs with a 30-52 record :lol

context..

made the playoffs 3 straight years without having a winning record..

[nycjeff45]

definitely have the substance but the style is lacking...jordans game is just beautiful to watch...

[JT123]

"Jordan never missed the playoffs"

Are we going to pretend like making the playoffs with a record of 30-52, 38-44 & 40-42 is something to brag about?


Jordan only played 18 games in 86 and they still made the playoffs with a 30-52 record :lol

context..

made the playoffs 3 straight years without having a winning record..
This. And people wanna say this era is weak? :no:

[Andrei89]

No,

He cant.

Michael Jordan is the GOAT and will stay GOAT probably forever. I simply cannot see anybody display the dominance of MJ in the future.

/thread

[HylianNightmare]

Nothing is impossible

[Solefade]

he can't because lebron isn't universally loved like jordan was...lebron has too many haters even if he matched MJ's resume

and why do people penalize lebron for making it to the finals his 3rd year in the NBA? making it to the finals is WAY better than getting eliminated in the first or 2nd rounds

[MichaelCorleone]

Yes he can.

Right now MJ is GOAT no question. But Lebron is right around the corner.

[Asukal]

Let's see....

2 rings, 1 in a lockout season, 1 almost choked away until rayray's miracle shot
lost to the ****ing mavs as a non factor while being the favorites in the finals
always flops like a bitch
says the dumbest things on air
colluded with 2 superstars to win a ring...

Uhhhh dat is GOAT material? :biggums:

not to mention his overrated playmaking abilities... :facepalm

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Let's see....

2 rings, 1 in a lockout season, 1 almost choked away until rayray's miracle shot
lost to the ****ing mavs as a non factor while being the favorites in the finals
always flops like a bitch
says the dumbest things on air
colluded with 2 superstars to win a ring...

Uhhhh dat is GOAT material? :biggums:

not to mention his overrated playmaking abilities... :facepalm

4 MVPs + 2 FMVPs with several years still left in his prime. Probably not GOAT but top 5 is certainly possible :confusedshrug:

Edit: Never mind. Should've known you're a retard when you mentioned the lockout ring.

[bdreason]

Even if LeBron 3-peats this year, I'm still not sure I can see him winning another 3 championships in about a 5-6 year window. This current setup with Wade seems like it's run its course, and LeBron is going to have to find another running mate soon.

[poido123]

It's possible.

Lebron's career is not finished. None of us know how amazing he can be or what he will accomplish in the future. He has one hell of a road(Pacers/Best West team) to get through this year, if they go on and 3 peat? Then perhaps adds a few more titles being super dominant and hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in finals games?

Yeah I could see it's possible, but he has to do those things IMO. Forget MVP's, Lebron needs to consistently be dominant in finals games and be absolutely amazing over a body of work. Particularly in playoffs and hitting bigtime shots, taking over games.

To say that he has NO chance of being GOAT is silly. He has the talent, does he have an even higher ceiling than he has now?

Who knows.

[MichaelCorleone]

It's possible.

Lebron's career is not finished. None of us know how amazing he can be or what he will accomplish in the future. He has one hell of a road(Pacers/Best West team) to get through this year, if they go on and 3 peat? Then perhaps adds a few more titles being super dominant and hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in finals games?

Yeah I could see it's possible, but he has to do those things IMO. Forget MVP's, Lebron needs to consistently be dominant in finals games and be absolutely amazing over a body of work. Particularly in playoffs and hitting bigtime shots, taking over games.

To say that he has NO chance of being GOAT is silly. He has the talent, does he have an even higher ceiling than he has now?

Who knows.
:applause: :cheers:

[Cali Syndicate]

"Jordan never missed the playoffs"

Are we going to pretend like making the playoffs with a record of 30-52, 38-44 & 40-42 is something to brag about?


Jordan only played 18 games in 86 and they still made the playoffs with a 30-52 record :lol

context..

made the playoffs 3 straight years without having a winning record..

38-44 would have been enough to make the playoffs last season.

30-52 is bad. No argument about it. but bulls went 9-9 with jordan. Would have missed the po without him.

40-42 is enough to make the playoffs almost every year this past decade. Basically same sht. Only difference is the best player on those 7th and 8th seeded bulls was going ham on the top seeded teams in the conference. Given, they still lost, but any player doing what mj was doing those first three seasons would call heavy recognition throughout the league.

[sbw19]

Rankings are subjective and always will be, but in my opinion he can never be greater than Jordan because of the 2010/11 finals. Critics will always hold that against him when appraising his resume.

He might equal or even surpass Jordan in terms of accomplishments ie # of titles MVPs etc, but that's not exactly the same.

[ImKobe]

Jordan was never on the brink of being eliminated from the Finals. Bran has been there 3 out of 4 Finals and lost twice, once with HCA. Almost all of MJ's Finals series are superior to Lebron's with the exception of the 1996 Finals.

Jordan has 10 times as many scoring titles, currently more MVPs and also was a much better defender in terms of getting steals and defending players off ball. Also a much better mid-range shooter and a post player.

Lebron will never catch MJ in accolades.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

It's possible.

Lebron's career is not finished. None of us know how amazing he can be or what he will accomplish in the future. He has one hell of a road(Pacers/Best West team) to get through this year, if they go on and 3 peat? Then perhaps adds a few more titles being super dominant and hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in finals games?

Yeah I could see it's possible, but he has to do those things IMO. Forget MVP's, Lebron needs to consistently be dominant in finals games and be absolutely amazing over a body of work. Particularly in playoffs and hitting bigtime shots, taking over games.

To say that he has NO chance of being GOAT is silly. He has the talent, does he have an even higher ceiling than he has now?

Who knows.
here you make a very good post and then in the tonights gamethread youll be a hardcore hater again:roll: :roll: :applause:

[Lordsteven]

would u say 6 for 6 is better than 8 for 10 or something along those lines?

if bron ends up with at least 7/8 FMVP then ya, id put him as GOAT. but he's gotta have more FMVP than Jordan for me to put him as GOAT to make up for the blemished record. thats just my standard tho.

[IMObjective]

if bron ends up with at least 7/8 FMVP then ya, id put him as GOAT. but he's gotta have more FMVP than Jordan for me to put him as GOAT to make up for the blemished record. thats just my standard tho.
Also, he teamed up, took shortcut, etc. People saying he has the same or more accomplishments as Jordan at the same age, Jordan waited patiently(?) on the team that drafted him to build a legit team around him so of course it's more likely that Jordan would take longer to win a championship. Also, like someone mentioned, LeBron entered the league at a younger age.

I don't think we should hold his playoff failures against him since everyone had those, and I'm not judging him for teaming up, but you have to consider that he did take a shortcut. In his own words "it's going to be easy..."

So I agree that he'll need at least 7 fmvps to be #1 (not very likely), does have a legit chance for #2.

[RIP CITY]

Nothing is impossible but it's very, very unlikely.

[poido123]

here you make a very good post and then in the tonights gamethread youll be a hardcore hater again:roll: :roll: :applause:

I think it's just some of the fans who go full overate mode and I want to level it a bit in the gamethreads. There are some who downright go out of their way to annoy me. :lol

I don't hate Lebron, I don't know him. I do know how to distinguish between what he is and what he isn't which is hard for the Bron stans on here.

[All Net]

Yeah if he 4peats then the convo would be open if he wins two more finals MVP's.

[Lordsteven]

Also, he teamed up, took shortcut, etc. People saying he has the same or more accomplishments as Jordan at the same age, Jordan waited patiently(?) on the team that drafted him to build a legit team around him so of course it's more likely that Jordan would take longer to win a championship. Also, like someone mentioned, LeBron entered the league at a younger age.

I don't think we should hold his playoff failures against him since everyone had those, and I'm not judging him for teaming up, but you have to consider that he did take a shortcut. In his own words "it's going to be easy..."

So I agree that he'll need at least 7 fmvps to be #1 (not very likely), does have a legit chance for #2.

exactly my point. everyone had those, except jordan. thats why hes goat and thats why MY standards are fairly high if you wanna surpass him.

[VIntageNOvel]

not impossible, but improbable,
kinda like my chance of dating chloe moretz

[IMObjective]

not impossible, but improbable,
kinda like my chance of dating chloe moretz
:oldlol: I actually like Chloe Moretz a lot myself, but that's jailbait, man. Unless you're a teenager.

[Kukoc]

Haha

[Kukoc]

And People think he can surpass Jordan.

Lebron got the worst fans, Ray Allen, Oden, Wade, Bosh and he still need the refs

pathetic

[HOoopCityJones]

He needs his All-Star Teammates to play though him.

[Rondo]

Imagine LeBron in Jordan's era with some of those hard fouls in games v the Knicks etc? This fool rolls around in agony when someone like Lin sets a screen on him.

[Budadiiii]

:oldlol:

No ****ing chance. None.

He's not even in the same breathe as Magic and Bird. You people are ****ing delusional morons.

He's a glorified role player hyped up by ESPN. He has done nothing to say he deserves to be in the same discussion as competitors like MJ, Russell, Bird, or Magic.

Stop the blasphemy.

[Keno]

he's on pace to surpass him, i wouldn't say no, right now.

[DonDadda59]

His stacked lineup is getting older and starting to turn injury prone (although Wade is getting healthy and apparently causing Bron to play like a scared bitch). He's going to have to do a lot of bandwagon jumping from stacked team to stacked team to keep collecting the rings he needs.

But no one will ever forget him getting outscored by Jason Terry in the finals though. So it's a hell of an uphill climb.

[moe94]

He's a glorified role player hyped up by ESPN. .

:applause:

[pauk]

Lebron & MJ were different players considering they played two different positions and attacked the offense somewhat differently, where as one was more of a shot taker (better comparison for him is Kobe) the other was more of a team player (better comparison is Bird/Magic) and on defense one was more of a man-to-man defender where as the other used his versatility.... both dominant at what they did... the only thing separating them is accolades at the end of the day... and considering Lebron has more than enough of those to compare against Jordan at similar age/timeframe i would say there is definitely a possibility he could catch and/or surpass him....

[Rondo]

Lebron & MJ were different players considering they played two different positions and attacked the offense somewhat differently, where as one was more of a shot taker (better comparison for him is Kobe) the other was more of a team player (better comparison is Bird/Magic) and on defense one was more of a man-to-man defender where as the other used his versatility.... both dominant at what they did... the only thing separating them is accolades at the end of the day... and considering Lebron has more than enough of those to compare against Jordan at similar age/timeframe i would say there is definitely a possibility he could catch and/or surpass him....

When you say "team player" you mean completely reliant on his teammates to bail him out, right?

[pauk]

When you say "team player" you mean completely reliant on his teammates to bail him out, right?

For a fan who condones ballhoging/shotjacking/selfishness/alienating teammates that would be one way to view it yes.....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ITT apparently Jordan wasn't a "team player", but Bird/Magic/Lebron are - ALL players with less championships.

Gotta love ISH's basketball expertise

[Milbuck]

MJ was just a better basketball player than Lebron. We need to stop with this shit.

[Bandito]

For a fan who condones ballhoging/shotjacking/selfishness/alienating teammates that would be one way to view it yes.....
Kinda ironic both Kobe and MJ, selfish ballhogs both have more rings than Lebron.:roll:

And that's without having two all stars in their team.

[pauk]

ITT apparently Jordan wasn't a "team player", but Bird/Magic/Lebron are - ALL players with less championships.

Gotta love ISH's basketball expertise

Bill Russell was more of a team player aswell....

..and i never said MJ was not a team player, i said Lebron was more of a team player, its exactly what it means and exactly as far as it goes.... i was just telling why i think they are different players.... There is nothing wrong with any play style / mindset offensively, its about the impact....

[DonDadda59]

Bill Russell was more of a team player aswell....

..and i never said MJ was not a team player, i said Lebron was more of a team player, its exactly what it means and exactly as far as it goes.... i was just telling why i think they are different players.... There is nothing wrong with any play style / mindset offensively, its about the impact....

"Team players" quit on their 60 win teams now? :coleman:

[PsychoBe]

"Team players" quit on their 60 win teams now? :coleman:

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

"team player"

[El Gato Negro]

Nope that chance was gone the second he went to play beta to wades alpha.

[Bandito]

Lebron has only Kobe to surpass now because there is no way he can surpass MJ.

[Budadiiii]

Rondo is a great team player.

Must be the GOAT.

:facepalm

Everyone is a team player. LeBron doesn't have the skillset nor the mindset to ever be the GOAT. Christ.

[pauk]

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

"team player"

Whats your point, does Lebrons every game or series look like that? Did he win two championships putting up those numbers?

[Bandito]

He only has Jason Terry and Shawn Marion to surpass nowadays before he can surpass Kobe.

[PsychoBe]

Whats your point, does Lebrons every game or series look like that? Did he win two championships putting up those numbers?

nice strawmen. do "goat team players" disappear in the 4th quarter for their first two finals appearances?

smh focus on bran passing the mamba first before you compare him to the goat.

[Milbuck]

Whats your point, does Lebrons every game or series look like that? Did he win two championships putting up those numbers?
It doesn't matter. Jordan has never in his career even come close to shitting the bed that badly in the finals. And that wasn't even Lebron's first bad finals, he had one almost as bad before that one.

[DonDadda59]

GOAT Teammate. Role Model. Taking one for the team #IfItAintEasyThenQuit

http://conniedieken.com/images/uploads/blogimg/LeBron-decision1.jpg

[zoom17]

Lebron has only Kobe to surpass now because there is no way he can surpass MJ.

He been surpassed him:oldlol:

[pauk]

Rondo is a great team player.

Must be the GOAT.

:facepalm

Everyone is a team player. LeBron doesn't have the skillset nor the mindset to ever be the GOAT. Christ.

..and that amazing logic can just as well work with the opposite offensive tendency... a guy can be the most selfish player ever, score more than anybody ever.... Must be the GOAT?

I think you are confusing offensive tendencies alone with actual player talent/skill (whatever offensive tendency that may be) that translates to actual team success.... dont be so hard on your cerebral cortex Budadiiii....

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.
Wilt only has 2 rings :lol

[PsychoBe]

He been surpassed him:oldlol:

stop trolling. we both know that by acclamation, kobe bean bryant is the better basketball player.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wilt only has 2 rings :lol

Just read guy's opening sentence ... :oldlol:

[PsychoBe]

..and that amazing logic can just as well work with the opposite offensive tendency... a guy can be the most selfish player ever, score more than anybody ever.... Must be the GOAT?

I think you are confusing offensive tendencies alone with actual player talent/skill (whatever offensive tendency that may be) that translates to actual team success.... dont be so hard on your cerebral cortex Budadiiii....

you put bran on a pedestal for being a "team player" but "team players" dont disappear in the 4th quarter. idk why you're labeling that as just an "offensive tendency" it's called choking.

[zoom17]

stop trolling. we both know that by acclamation, kobe bean bryant is the better basketball player.

:facepalm Just no Lebron and Bird are better players than Kobe

[Rubio2Gasol]

He been surpassed him:oldlol:

What tense is that?

Retard tense?
:oldlol:

[Warfan]

No but it's not impossible

[zoom17]

What tense is that?

Retard tense?
:oldlol:

Lebron surpassing Kobe tense:oldlol:

[PsychoBe]

:facepalm Just no

so you're not gonna stop trolling?

5 > 2

more points
more all nba 1st teams
more all defensive 1st teams
more all-star appearances
more all-star mvps
second highest scoring game of all time
score more points in the playoffs
more scoring titles

need i go on?

[Budadiiii]

..and that amazing logic can just as well work with the opposite offensive tendency... a guy can be the most selfish player ever, score more than anybody ever.... Must be the GOAT?

I think you are confusing offensive tendencies alone with actual player talent/skill (whatever offensive tendency that may be) that translates to actual team success.... dont be so hard on your cerebral cortex Budadiiii....
MJ's impact was greater and he won more.

Where is the argument?

There comes a point where you go from 'great teammate' 'selfless' bla bla bla to being a complete liability. (see 2011) Being passive and completely shook by the moment is too much for him to make up for. We're comparing him to the greatest ever... he has to be damn near perfect. Hell, I think LeBron is done winning titles. Dudes game will not last the test of time and we all know he has no where near the mental fortitude of a Michael Jordan.

Jordan is the only guy who actually has better stats so your impact argument means jack shit. MJ had a greater impact! He won more! No way LeBron gets close to 6 rings. He won't get half!

Anyone can be considered unselfish and a great teammate... but there is only one MJ.

LeBron will never surpass Bill either.

[Rondo]

He been surpassed him:oldlol:

From a pure skill set viewpoint LeBron isn't even close to Kobe. Kobe's offensive arsenal is significantly greater than LBJ's.

I personally think LeBron is a better player overall but it's his athleticism that takes him above Kobe more than anything else though I admit his passing and court vision compared to Kobe is incredible.

[zoom17]

so you're not gonna stop trolling?

5 > 2

more points
more all nba 1st teams
more all defensive 1st teams
more all-star appearances
more all-star mvps
second highest scoring game of all time
score more points in the playoffs
more scoring titles

need i go on?

played seven years longer yet he has same number of FMVPS, less MVPS and Shaq has the 3/5 of the Finals MVPS.

[PsychoBe]

played seven years longer yet he has same number of FMVPS, less MVPS and Shaq has the 3/5 of the Finals MVPS.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/jorgepadilla23/SKnFQ.png

a shame that there can only be one fmvp

and i'm sure kobe would rather have 3 more rings than 3 less mvps.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Lebron still has a chance, though a very small one. And Kobe belongs nowhere in this discussion. At all.

[zoom17]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/jorgepadilla23/SKnFQ.png

a shame that there can only be one fmvp

and i'm sure kobe would rather have 3 more rings than 3 less mvps.

That would just make him a role man who need shaq to win him all those rings Lebron doesn't need to match kobe in rings to surpass its that simple.

[PsychoBe]

That would just make him a role man who need shaq to win him all those rings Lebron doesn't need to match kobe in rings to surpass its that simple.

shaq needed kobe too that's why kobe won more rings without shaq then shaq won without kobe.

the ultimate measure of great players is championships at the end of the day you can't circumvent it and change the rules because it doesn't suit your agenda we all know this so why try to deny it. at the end of the day kobe will be remembered for his 5 championships and how he was the michael jordan of 21st century basketball.

now it's on bran to try and surpass that. people won't look at the mvps and say "well he did win 3 more mvps...." while having 3 less championships and no one will look at the fmvps either. just the rings.

and the point of this post was that bran is nowhere near jordan so you might as well compare him 2 kobe instead.

[funnystuff]

LEbron is already locked at top 5 unless a catastrophe were to occur.

[Mr.Kite]

Bran lost all hopes of being even close to the top 5 ever since the collusion.

[Cold soul]

Nope, not even close to MJ. I'm not sure Lebron even makes the top 5 anymore. Let's be honest he's ageing and has lot of wear and tear on his body along with all the minutes Lebron played. I think we all starting to see him decline somewhat especially in athleticism.

[aj1987]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/jorgepadilla23/SKnFQ.png

a shame that there can only be one fmvp

and i'm sure kobe would rather have 3 more rings than 3 less mvps.


As much as you Kobetards love to post that shit, Shaq was the undisputed #1 and Kobe was #2.

http://i.imgur.com/yMSabo4.png

[Big#50]

Jordan is not god.
Starks
Miller
Lewis
Dumars
Horny
Hawkins
Drexler
come on man, Kobe and Lebron would kill these guys.
Not kidding. Kobe would score 100 on Starks.
**** you Jordan fanatics.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

do people really think he hasnt yet

[Big#50]

Jordan is top five.
Shaq/Duncan
KAJ
MJ
Bird

[TheMarkMadsen]

As much as you Kobetards love to post that shit, Shaq was the undisputed #1 and Kobe was #2.

http://i.imgur.com/yMSabo4.png


the "undisputed # 1" takes 1 less shot per game :confusedshrug:

not saying he's not the # 1 option, but in 01 Kobe did take more shots per game in the regular season and post season, and their scoring was a 1ppg difference

If Wade was taking 1 less shot than Lebron per game and averaging 29ppg to Lebrons 30ppg, i doubt you'd ever call Lebron the "undisputed" number 1 option, especially if Wade was doubling Lebrons APG numbers like Kobe was

[NumberSix]

the "undisputed # 1" takes 1 less shot per game :confusedshrug:

not saying he's not the # 1 option, but in 01 Kobe did take more shots per game in the regular season and post season, and their scoring was a 1ppg difference

If Wade was taking 1 less shot than Lebron per game and averaging 29ppg to Lebrons 30ppg, i doubt you'd ever call Lebron the "undisputed" number 1 option, especially if Wade was doubling Lebrons APG numbers like Kobe was
Even if Wade was the #1 scoring option, that doesn't make him the team's best player.

I've always said since the big 3 joined up that IMO, Bosh should be the #1 scoring option. It doesn't mean I think he's the best player on the team. I just think he should be taking the most shots.

[Kukoc]

I think that discussion is over

[Asukal]

2/5, are you fcking kidding me? :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Only the stanliest of stans still hold on to the hope that Lebron can surpass MJ.

[Iceman#44]

I think that discussion is over
:roll: :rockon: 2/5

[Jlamb47]

Mj 6/6
Lebron 2/5 its a little hard looking at that
Yeah Jordan missed some playoffs but the playoffs is where it matters and where players get exposed to defense
Jordan numbers would go up, while Lebron declines

[Kukoc]

:roll: :rockon: 2/5




:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Smook A.]

Jordan is not god.
Starks
Miller
Lewis
Dumars
Horny
Hawkins
Drexler
come on man, Kobe and Lebron would kill these guys.
Not kidding. Kobe would score 100 on Starks.
**** you Jordan fanatics.
You're retarded.