is kobe bryant the greatest inefficient scorer of all time?

[Keno]

i mean seriously tho, how can you call him the greatest scorer of all time, when he takes so many shots to get there. kobe's never been able to shoot fifty percent plus for any of his eighteen seasons, while other great scorers have (lebron, jordan, wilt). his career high for a season was .469, he couldn't even make three shots a game in his rookie year when he was attempting only six shots per game.:facepalm

on top of that, some people say he's one of the greatest three point shooters in nba history, he couldn't even crack 40% from three. his high for a season was .383 (1.5 3pm - 4 3pa). in comparsion, kobe stans make fun of lebron for not being able to shoot, yet lebron's career high from three is .406 (1.4 3pm - 3.3 3pa), a difference of only 0.1 3PM and 0.7 3PA. lebron>kobe

now, let's compare some of the best scorers in nba history's career ppg and fga to see the difference in efficiency.

jordan: 30.1 ppg on 22.9 fga, difference of 7.2
lebron: 27.5 ppg on 20 fga, difference of 7.5
wilt: 30.1 ppg on 22.5 fga, difference of 7.6
kaj: 24.6 ppg on 18.1 fga, difference of 6.5

finally, the 'greatest' scorer of all time: kobe: 25.5 ppg on 19.6 fga, difference of ....5.9.

in conclusion, kobe bryant is not even close to the greatest scorer of all time, he takes numerous amount of shots to get those numbers, least efficient 'greatest' scorer of all time.

[JohnFreeman]

Yes

[navy]

Yes. Most missed shots of all time and still has five rings. It really isnt up for debate.

[Keno]

glad some people agree with this. i have been hearing this too much lately and it has been getting on my nerve.

[moe94]

Kobe was never even a top 10 player in the league at any point in his career.
lol

[Keno]

Kobe was never even a top 10 player in the league at any point in his career.

oh come on now, that's just silly.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Inefficient? I wouldn't classify Kobe as that. Inconsistent and not as efficient as those guys seems more apt.

[DaSeba5]

Kobe was never even a top 10 player in the league at any point in his career.
lol

I was going to say that's silly until I saw the white text.

[Bless Mathews]

Very true.

Just like a qbs yards per attempt average.

Luck's career ypa is 6.8.

Russell Wilson's 8.1

Yet somehow homers think luck is god.

Kobe is a hucker.

Great stats.

[moe94]

Inefficient? I wouldn't classify Kobe as that. Inconsistent and not as efficient as those guys seems more apt.
What about Iverson?

[Keno]

Inefficient? I wouldn't classify Kobe as that. Inconsistent and not as efficient as those guys seems more apt.

which is why i do not see kobe as one of the greatest scorers in nba history.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What about Iverson?

Well a career 40% shooter in the postseason = pretty inefficient.

[Keno]

iverson was very inefficient as well, but people do not call him the greatest scorer of all time, do they?

[TheCorporation]

Who the **** ever said Kobe was the greatest score or all time to begin with? Kobe is a known chucker, always has been. The thing is, it's much easier to throw bricks all game long when you have a prime Shaq grabbing rebounds. It's also much easier to throw bricks all game when you have 3 elite rebounders on your team in Gasol, Bynum, and Odom. We saw how Kobe has done after losing two of his 7-footers (Bynum and Odom). Not every low efficient high volume scorer has been blessed with three 7-footers on the same team to grab their bricks.

Imagine if Iverson had three elite 7-foot rebounders on his team, or imagine if Melo did, etc. Kobe belongs in that second tier of scorers that get theirs, but just take a shit load of shots to get theirs. Think of it as an Iverson, Melo, Kobe tier.

[Keno]

Who the **** ever said Kobe was the greatest score or all time to begin with?

trust me, a lot of people do. not only on forums but in real life too, just the other day two of my friends and one of my cousins said he was too.

[JohnFreeman]

Kareem is a greater scorer though

[Warfan]

iverson was very inefficient as well, but people do not call him the greatest scorer of all time, do they?


Kobe - fg% .454 ts% .555
AI - fg% .425 ts% .518

Fair difference, and kobe wasn't very inefficient I don't know where u r getting that from.

[TheCorporation]

Inefficient? I wouldn't classify Kobe as that. Inconsistent and not as efficient as those guys seems more apt.

He never shot above .469 once in his entire career. Not even once. Are you shitting me? That's horrible.

Even Melo did it three times, in fact three consecutive times. Iverson never did it, but neither did Kobe and they're both known volume scorers that need tons of shot to score points.

Another volume scorer that comes to mind is Monta Ellis, who even shot 47% ONCE for a single season.

[TheCorporation]

trust me, a lot of people do. not only on forums but in real life too, just the other day two of my friends and one of my cousins said he was too.

Tell him that even ****ing Melo and Monta ELLIS shot above .469 once in a single season...

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[moe94]

Tell him that even ****ing Melo and Monta ELLIS shot above .469 once in a single season...

:rolleyes: :facepalm
I'd love to see either do 35 PPG on 45%, 56 TS%

[Illuminati]

http://i.imgur.com/U7pYC4u.jpg

The first one says it all.

[9erempiree]

There is no such thing as an efficient scorer. You are either a dominating scorer or you are not.

A guy like Chris Novak goes 5 for 5 in a game and people don't call him an elite or dominant scorer. He is efficient for what his job description demands of him. He is an efficient role player.

When you talk about the scoring prowess of Kobe Bryant, one of the greatest or the greatest scorer of all time, you look at how he dominates the game with his scoring. I prefer a dominant Kobe than an efficient Kobe that goes for 6 for 10 the whole game. Give me that Kobe that goes 14 for 30 in a dominating performance.

[zoom17]

Very true.

Just like a qbs yards per attempt average.

Luck's career ypa is 6.8.

Russell Wilson's 8.1

Yet somehow homers think luck is god.

Kobe is a hucker.

Great stats.

This dude is acting like both of them were in the league for 10 years Luck will be the better of the two.

[Heavincent]

This dude is acting like both of them were in the league for 10 years Luck will be the better of the two.

What makes Luck better than Wilson?

[TheCorporation]

I'd love to see either do 35 PPG on 45%, 56 TS%

I'd love to see it too, point remains though: Kobe is inefficient.

[JohnFreeman]

Am I the only one who considers LeBron one of the great scorers? He can drive to the hoop and score at ease. I suppose Kobe stans don't think it is as pleasing as a fadeaway 3

[9erempiree]

Am I the only one who considers LeBron one of the great scorers? He can drive to the hoop and score at ease. I suppose Kobe stans don't think it is as pleasing as a fadeaway 3

Dare to shoot defense says otherwise.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'd love to see it too, point remains though: Kobe is inefficient.


Tell that to an NBA coach in person with a straight face, he might hire you

[Heavincent]

Tell that to an NBA coach in person with a straight face, he might hire you

"this guy only shoots 45% from the field. We don't need to worry about him."

[fos]

He's no Allen Iverson.

[zoom17]

What makes Luck better than Wilson?

He carried the Colts to the playoffs in both years This year was more impressive beacuse he lost his best WR best TE and Best RB and had a avearage Defense. Wilson has one of the best Defense in the last 10 years Andrew has to do more to get his team the win.

[TheCorporation]

Tell that to an NBA coach in person with a straight face, he might hire you

You must've missed this...
http://i.imgur.com/U7pYC4u.jpg

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Only uneducated basketball fans say Kobe was inefficient. He was ALWAYS above league average by fair amount for scoring efficiency

[moe94]

Only uneducated basketball fans say Kobe was inefficient. He was ALWAYS above league average by fair amount for scoring efficiency

I'd like to see all the guards from his generation and after that matched his production with better or similar efficiency.

T-Mac? For a year?

Wade?

How overrated this Kobe guy is. :coleman:

[aboss4real24]

Carmelo>Kobe

[longtime lurker]

The so the difference between being a godly scorer and inefficient chucker is apparently one shot per game. The whole claim of efficient/inefficient is made up bull shit by stats geeks who probably never touched a basketball in their life.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You must've missed this...
http://i.imgur.com/U7pYC4u.jpg


you must have missed this.. which is odd because you've had more chances to see it than any other ending to a seaon the past 15 years :confusedshrug:

http://theonba.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/kobe-trophy-5.jpg

[Bless Mathews]

What makes Luck better than Wilson?
Lol. Exactly.

I guess all the hype. And he's white. So he has to be a better Qb.

[zoom17]

Lol. Exactly.

I guess all the hype. And he's white. So he has to be a better Qb.

:biggums: Wilson isn't fully black so whats you're point?

[Bless Mathews]

He carried the Colts to the playoffs in both years This year was more impressive beacuse he lost his best WR best TE and Best RB and had a avearage Defense. Wilson has one of the best Defense in the last 10 years Andrew has to do more to get his team the win.
He tore Reggie waynes acl because of his in accuracy.

Oh yea. That's right.

Remember Wayne was WIDE open and he threw behind him, making Wayne adjust and his cleets got caught in turf. Lolololololol.

Such a bum.

Give him credit for not having Wayne. Lol.

Just like Kobe. Always throwing his teammates under the bus.

[moe94]

:biggums: Wilson isn't fully black so whats you're point?

Yes, he is. Both his parents are black.

[aboss4real24]

:biggums: Wilson isn't fully black so whats you're point?

both his parents r Black :biggums:

[zoom17]

He tore Reggie waynes acl because of his in accuracy.

Oh yea. That's right.

Remember Wayne was WIDE open and he threw behind him, making Wayne adjust and his cleets got caught in turf. Lolololololol.

Such a bum.

Give him credit for not having Wayne. Lol.

Just like Kobe. Always throwing his teammates under the bus.


:oldlol: We had this discussion before btw why did you bring Luck up in this thread that was random.

[Frozen1]

Watch young kobe posting up, shooting fade aways and droping 33 on the GOAT coming off the bench:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzMWKo0uDu8

Kobe has a low FG% because he trust too much in his shot, wich lead him taking bad shots. Look at that video, he was in his second year and was posting up michael jordan.

Kobe has skill, wich makes him overconfident, making him take bad shots and having a lower FG%.

[moe94]

both his parents r Black :biggums:

He got confused by how well spoken and articulate he is. :coleman:

Nah, he does look mixed. Can't lie.

[Bless Mathews]

:biggums: Wilson isn't fully black so whats you're point?
Luck is 100% white. It's ingrained in all your minds a white Qb HAS to be better.

We always in the black round. Doug Williams Randal Cunningham. Dante cullpepper. Never got deserved props.

Nothing to do with Wilson. Just that luck is white.

[DaSeba5]

Luck is 100% white. It's ingrained in all your minds a white Qb HAS to be better.

We always in the black round. Doug Williams Randal Cunningham. Dante cullpepper. Never got deserved props.

Nothing to do with Wilson. Just that luck is white.

I think that's an ignorant generalization. White people are often associated with the QB position because black athletes usually prefer to be in positions with more running and athleticism like RB, WR, and DB.

[Lamar Odumbb]

The so the difference between being a godly scorer and inefficient chucker is apparently one shot per game. The whole claim of efficient/inefficient is made up bull shit by stats geeks who probably never touched a basketball in their life.

FG % is a terrible stat to use to judge players. I mean Ray Allen's lifetime FG % is .452 and Kobe is .454.

Ray Allen sucks at shooting I guess if Kobe is seen as a horrible shooter because he shoots .454 lifetime.

[D.J.]

Kobe was taking a lot of shots and still shot in the mid-40s consistently. That's not inefficient. You can argue he was a little erratic at times, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him inefficient. Inefficient would be like Iverson, Mashburn, and Stackhouse. Volume scorers who barely cracked 40%.

[moe94]

Kobe was taking a lot of shots and still shot in the mid-40s consistently. That's not inefficient. You can argue he was a little erratic at times, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him inefficient. Inefficient would be like Iverson, Mashburn, and Stackhouse. Volume scorers who barely cracked 40%.

Iverson did 33 PPG on 45% shooting at 30 years old after the rule change.

[longtime lurker]

FG % is a terrible stat to use to judge players. I mean Ray Allen's lifetime FG % is .452 and Kobe is .454.

Ray Allen sucks at shooting I guess if Kobe is seen as a horrible shooter because he shoots .454 lifetime.

Trying telling that to these idiots.

[AnaheimLakers24]

op has a baby dick

[D.J.]

Iverson did 33 PPG on 45% shooting at 30 years old after the rule change.


A couple of years(and with new rules) in the mid-40s doesn't erase 7 consecutive seasons with no more than 42.4% and in some seasons even less than 40%. Outside of '04 and '05, Kobe's prime was pretty much all between 45-46%. And even the year he dropped 35 a night, he still shot 45% from the field.

[moe94]

A couple of years(and with new rules) in the mid-40s doesn't erase 7 consecutive seasons with no more than 42.4% and in some seasons even less than 40%. Outside of '04 and '05, Kobe's prime was pretty much all between 45-46%. And even the year he dropped 35 a night, he still shot 45% from the field.

I think prime Iverson would take a nice shit on defenses today.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think prime Iverson would take a nice shit on defenses today.


a nice shit?

Prime Iverson would make Randy Marsh blush the way he'd be shitting all over todays defense

[D.J.]

I think prime Iverson would take a nice shit on defenses today.


Anyone who put up 20-25 a night consistently prior to '05 would shit on defenses today. One player who some may so no, who I think would be a dangerous weapon for a team today...Michael Finley. This was a guy scoring 20 a night on the same team with Dirk. If he was a #1 option on a team today with his outside shooting, athleticism, and underrated passing ability; I could see him putting up something like 25/7/7. He put up 23/6/5 in 2000 and 22/5/4 in 2001 with Dirk entering his prime.

[moe94]

25/7/7 is a bit much. That's all NBA first team numbers.

[D.J.]

25/7/7 is a bit much. That's all NBA first team numbers.


He already had a 23/6/5 season and that was with handchecking and with an emerging Dirk. An extra field goal, another rebound, and another 2 assists isn't that unreachable.

[Bless Mathews]

:oldlol: We had this discussion before btw why did you bring Luck up in this thread that was random.
Because luck gets all the headlines and people think he's so much better than he is. Like Kobe.

Not hard to get yards when you pass the ball hella. If you break it down, luck is not accurate and in efficient. Like Kobe. Kobe hucks the ball hella and shoots bad percentage but put on pedastal Cus he averages a lot of points. And own chips with hof ers and all stars.

[zoom17]

Because luck gets all the headlines and people think he's so much better than he is. Like Kobe.

Not hard to get yards when you pass the ball hella. If you break it down, luck is not accurate and in efficient. Like Kobe. Kobe hucks the ball hella and shoots bad percentage but put on pedastal Cus he averages a lot of points. And own chips with hof ers and all stars.

This is a weird comparison because Luck is still early in his career and has plenty of time to improve.You make it seem like he hit his peak or something.

[Bless Mathews]

This is a weird comparison because Luck is still early in his career and has plenty of time to improve.You make it seem like he hit his peak or something.
I know he hasn't.

But it's a fair comparison. People giving luck so much props. Already.

[Keno]

Will you retards stop talking about Luck in this thread?

[TheMarkMadsen]

FG % is a terrible stat to use to judge players. I mean Ray Allen's lifetime FG % is .452 and Kobe is .454.

Ray Allen sucks at shooting I guess if Kobe is seen as a horrible shooter because he shoots .454 lifetime.



:lol :applause:

[Droid101]

I'm done.

[Keno]

Allen shot .491 (basically 50) for a season and had numerous 40 plus percent from three seasons (5 3PA).

[chazzy]

OP is admitting Kobe is above Russell, Wilt, Duncan, and Hakeem :bowdown:

[Legends66NBA7]

What is the classification of an efficient scorer and an inefficient scorer ?

[tpols]

So.. KAJ has a difference of 6.5.. and Kobe has a difference of 5.9.

.6

Thats the difference between a GOAT scorer and inefficient.

.6







































.6

:facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

We all know that the average poster on ISH could lock down Kobe without a problem.

And just what in the hell was that moronic Jackson doing when he had Kobe scoring 35 ppg in 06, when the team was filled with talented scorers? That proves that just any idiot can coach in the NBA.

[MichaelCorleone]

Yes he is. Bar none. Greatest scoring chucker in NBA history.

[Bless Mathews]

Will you retards stop talking about Luck in this thread?
We are typing.

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Fucc tard.

[Keno]

OP is admitting Kobe is above Russell, Wilt, Duncan, and Hakeem :bowdown:

:facepalm

as a scorer, absolutely. not wilt tho, i already posted his stats compared to kobe's in the original post.

[Keno]

So.. KAJ has a difference of 6.5.. and Kobe has a difference of 5.9.

.6

Thats the difference between a GOAT scorer and inefficient.

.6

.6

:facepalm

that's only because of kareem's last three seasons. he averaged the lowest free throw attempts per game in his career. without those three seasons his career averages are

26.4 ppg on 19.4 fga, a difference of 7.

[tpols]

that's only because of kareem's last three seasons. he averaged the lowest free throw attempts per game in his career. without those three seasons his career averages are

26.4 ppg on 19.4 fga, a difference of 7.

MJ's career TS is 56.9%

Kobe's career TS is 55.5%

Allen Iverson's career TS is 51.8%


Kobe is muuuch closer to MJ than he is to Iverson.. Were talking a ~1% difference in overall efficiency as the difference between God MJ and chucker Kobe.

[Cold soul]

MJ's career TS is 56.9%

Kobe's career TS is 55.5%

Allen Iverson's career TS is 51.8%


Kobe is muuuch closer to MJ than he is to Iverson.. Were talking a ~1% difference in overall efficiency as the difference between God MJ and chucker Kobe.

This. Kobe haters are out again. Kobe more efficient than some give him credit for. Kobe efficient he just hasn't been super efficient like MJ or Lebron were. Kobe/MJ both take 20 shots MJ will make few more out of 20 shot attempts making him FG 50% and Kobe 45% due to few misses. Both MJ/Kobe TS% isn't too far off.

[SamuraiSWISH]

TS where free throwing shooting is combined w/ defended field goal attempts. Brilliant.

[moe94]

TS where free throwing shooting is combined w/ defended field goal attempts. Brilliant.

Stop being mad freethrow warriors are inflated.

[tpols]

MJ's eFG is 51%

Kobe's eFG is 49%

Iverson's eFG is 45%


Point stands.


inb4 eFG where 3s are worth more than 2s.

[MichaelCorleone]

MJ's eFG is 51%

Kobe's eFG is 49%

Iverson's eFG is 45%


Point stands.


inb4 eFG where 3s are worth more than 2s.
Lebron's probably in the 60%++ range.

[ImKobe]

TS% is 1% lower than MJ's for his career, I guess MJ Was inefficient as well.

[Cold soul]

TS% is 1% lower than MJ's for his career, I guess MJ Was inefficient as well.


https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0015/31/1377562052568.gif

[tpols]

Lebron's probably in the 60%++ range.

Brans sporting a healthy career 53% eFG.. 62% this season.:eek:

MJ's highest eFG EVER was 55%. :oldlol:

[MichaelCorleone]

Brans sporting a healthy career 53% eFG.. 62% this season.:eek:

MJ's highest eFG EVER was 55%. :oldlol:
:eek: :bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

Brans sporting a healthy career 53% eFG.. 62% this season.:eek:

MJ's highest eFG EVER was 55%. :oldlol:

Bran is not a SG, and he's taking 17 shots per game aka for the most part he's been cherry picking his shots. 41% on jump shots, 38,5% outside 10 ft :oldlol:

[PostUpFreak]

Bran is not a SG, and he's taking 17 shots per game aka for the most part he's been cherry picking his shots. 41% on jump shots, 38,5% outside 10 ft :oldlol:
:applause: :applause:

[secund2nun]

Kobe was never even a top 10 player in the league at any point in his career.
lol

True, but you will get blasted for it. Kobe is a first round loser without elite front courts carrying him. The guy is a total myth. He is not even a top 20 player of all time.

[ImKobe]

True, but you will get blasted for it. Kobe is a first round loser without elite front courts carrying him. The guy is a total myth. He is not even a top 20 player of all time.

Your gimmick is getting old, tbh. Hating on Kobe might have been cool in 2010, but still doing the same thing 4 years later is downright pathetic.

[kNIOKAS]

Bran is not a SG, and he's taking 17 shots per game aka for the most part he's been cherry picking his shots. 41% on jump shots, 38,5% outside 10 ft :oldlol:
Well maybe on should cherry pick them, and take only the best ones. Just a thought.

[ImKobe]

Well maybe on should cherry pick them, and take only the best ones. Just a thought.

It works in the regular season, but we saw his fg% dip by 12% in the Finals last year, whereas Kobe's FG% dropped by only 3-5% at most.

You can pick your spots in the regular season because you often play against horrible/medicore defensive teams that don't know what to do against you, but when you face an elite defensive team that takes those layups away you have to be able to hit long 2s & 3s. Lebron has never made 50% of his shots in a Finals series.

[Mr Feeny]

It works in the regular season, but we saw his fg% dip by 12% in the Finals last year, whereas Kobe's FG% dropped by only 3-5% at most.

You can pick your spots in the regular season because you often play against horrible/medicore defensive teams that don't know what to do against you, but when you face an elite defensive team that takes those layups away you have to be able to hit long 2s & 3s. Lebron has never made 50% of his shots in a Finals series.Who shot a better percentage though?

[G-Funk]

which is why i do not see kobe as one of the greatest scorers in nba history.
:facepalm

[pauk]

Well then Allen Iverson & Tracy McGrady deserve a mention aswell.

[G-Funk]

IF BOTH SHOT THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SHOTS THROUGH THERE CAREERS.

Jordan 9.7/19.6 = 49.7
Jordan 11.4/22.9 = 49.7

Bryant 8.9/19.6 = 45.4
Bryant 10.4/22.9 = 45.4

DIFFERENTIAL OF 4.3% = 1 FG

[Mr Feeny]

IF BOTH SHOT THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SHOTS THROUGH THERE CAREERS.

Jordan 9.7/19.6 = 49.7
Jordan 11.4/22.9 = 49.7

Bryant 8.9/19.6 = 45.4
Bryant 10.4/22.9 = 45.4

In otherwords, Jordan shot better? Thank you Sir.

[G-Funk]

In otherwords, Jordan shot better? Thank you Sir.

1 SHOT :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[G-Funk]

Jordan 1778 3 pointers taken

Bryant 4895 3 pointers taken, and still manages to average 1 missed shot less per game.

[Mr Feeny]

1 SHOT :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

In other words, Jordan shoots better? Ok.

[AI Thornton]

1 SHOT :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

One shot can be a big difference.

[KobesFinger]

One shot can be a big difference.

inb4 MichaelCorleone/Marlo_Stanfield/second2nun say "that 1 shot is the GW that Kobe always misses"

What am I saying, they're not creative enough to say something like that

[Nevaeh]

All of this "jibber jabber", and no mention of Bill Russell as the Greatest Inefficient Scorer of All Time? Damn, ISH reads like of bunch of senior citizens arguing in a big circle sometimes.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif/bmi_orig_img/laugh.gif

[G-Funk]

One shot can be a big difference.
huuuuge lmao

[VIntageNOvel]

In other words, Jordan shoots better? Ok.


so kobe is 1 shot away from being jordan, i'll take that :applause:

meanwhile bran is 1 ray allen shot away from being biggest choker in sport :roll:

[Pursuer]

Just in case anyone forgot, there's a thing called FTA.